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Godx:Insightful piece. You really understand what's going on. But if our leaders are really serious about developing the country, I think they can achieve the objective if the citizens support them, even inspite of the effort by UK and the likes to thwart their (our leaders) plans for the country. When agnostics like me and atheists on Nairaland discourage people from believing in the white man's God (Yahweh) and the tool of subjugation called Jesus Christ, it's because we know how the powerful nations of the world use those tools to mentally colonize people of lesser intelligence. And mental slavery is the worst form of slavery because unlike the physical one where slaves are bound in chains and the victim can see that he's in slavery, the mental type is more subtle, harder to break free from, since the slave won't even know he's enslaved. Before this country can develop, many Nigerians will first need to break free from the mental chains which make them enslaved to the whites, looking at their god as the Supreme God, considering their culture as superior to the local ones. When you worship the white-man's god, you'll see yourself as inferior to them. You'll view your culture with disdain, will destroy your culture and traditions with your own hands, since your allegiance lies with that white-man's country, with his culture and traditions. How can such a people develop? Such kind of people are ready tools at the hand of the white supremacists to poison and kill any Nigerian leader, who doesn't dance to their tunes. The majority of Nigerians follow Abrahamic religions, thereby considering the Bible and the Qur'an as superior to the wise wisdom of our forefathers, simply because the white supremacists and Arab conquerors had instructed them to see anything indigenous as objects of the devil. These people will gladly kill any leader that refuses to bow to the white-men and Arabs because their allegiance is to those foreign entities and their culture, not the indigenous cultures. Many Nigerian Muslims will soon visit Mecca on pilgrimage and their Christian counterparts will visit Jerusalem also on pilgrimage. That shows where their allegiance lies: with Saudi for the Muslims, and with Isreal for the Christians. But the Osun Groove is there and a number of such places are in the other parts of the country that an average Yoruba or Ibo should visit and explore and regard as superior to the foreign ones. But the self-hate and inferiority complex in the average Nigerian is so deep, and when you tell them to do the right thing by regarding the locals cultures and traditions as superior to the foreign ones, they start treating you as a devilish person. The religious people will kill any political leader that tries to do the right thing by placing the traditional religion in the right place — ahead of Christianity and Islam — and encourage the citizens to know more about the local cultures and value them so that their allegiance can lie with their country, not with Israeli and Saudi Arabia. These religionists will kill any freethinkers (especially the Muslims) in their midst that urge them to value the local culture instead of the foreign ones and think about the content of religious texts critically. That's why any freethinker will strive to deal with their religious family and relatives cautiously because when they declare fatwah on one's head, even that family member or relative that one think loves one will suddenly change. The problem with this country is Nigerians themselves, not the leader. The leader is only a reflection of the people, and Nigerians deserve the kind of leaders they have. |
diggz:I don't know when or where I told you that religion isn't a major part of Nigeria's problems. That must be your own assumption. My stance on these issues is clear and won't change with time. The white-man's religion, Christianity, and the Arab's religion, Islam, have always been among the major issues why this country can't achieve greatness. I don't know how you expect a people with deeply ingrained self-hate and inferiority complex to grow and develop. As I said sometime this year or late last year, Nigeria won't develop until anything called holy book or holy places of worship (especially those of Abrahamic religions) lose their value. When that happens, it means Nigeria has many philosophers and thinkers that are highly intelligent. No nation develops when most of the citizens are mentally enslaved to their European slave masters and Arab conquerors. They won't study the history of their country, of their religion, and of their god but are merely following their religion blindly. It's funny seeing the average Nigerian religionist talking about the prophets of Christianity and those of Islam with reverence. And the same people regularly demonize their own great people (such as Ifa/Afa, Ogun, Amadioha, and the likes) in this part of the world, and you expect such people — who aren't even intelligent enough to respect and value your their own culture and appreciate their great ancestors of the past — to develop. It doesn't make sense. Some of the hallmarks of a well-developed or civilized society are, the citizens are enlightened enough to codify their own (not imposed) spiritual practices in a written (indigenous) language and develop their own system of education (not the imposed Western style of education). Any society (e.g. Nigeria) that can't achieve these great feats will be enslaved to those more intelligent than they (e.g Europeans and Arabs) and those ones will impose their systems of language, education, and religion on them. When that's done, then the slaves will hate their ancestors, destroy their rich traditional objects with their own hands calling them demonic objects, while treating the traditional objects of their slave masters as holy, superior. How is the Muslims' tasbih or the Christians' rosary superior or better than those the local ones the traditionalists wear made of cowries? The underlying meaning of this kind of behavior in society is that the majority of Nigerians despise their roots and see themselves as inferior to their slave masters, who have caged their thinking, the way a young man controls a herd of cattles even when not in chains because he has caged them mentally. That's the current state most Nigerians are in, and no sustainable development can occur in this sorry state. Humans can be caged or enslaved physically via invasions and wars and mentally through religion. Better I stop here; I don't have the energy for lengthy religious discussion this night. diggz:I hardly discuss political issues and am almost apolitical. I don't have plans to take part in politics whether now or in the future. By encouraging people to use reason, adopt the scientific method, philosophy (and not religion), and value the local cultures (the good aspects in them), I contribute my little quotas to society. I don't have to vote to make a difference when there are no good candidates. And then, the truth is, unless restructuring or break up is done, Nigeria can never be great. Nigeria is a hopeless country. Things will only get worse with this crop of greedy politicians in the political parties. |
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donjazet:How is Peter Obi different from the average Nigerian politicians (whether APC or PDP) who embezzle funds meant to develop the various parts of the country? What are the key ideas he outlined in his manifesto (if he's released one)? What are the actual plans he proposes for clamping down on terrorism and battling insecurity? How does he plan to develop the education sector, which has been plagued with many strike actions of ASUU members for years? What are his plans for diversifying Nigeria's mono-economy that is powered by petrodollars? How does he plan to end our decades-long problem of epileptic power supply? Has he discussed these areas, highlighting specific ways to tackle them? It's vital that he gives the specifics on how he plans to address these issues, which are germane to achieving Nigeria's growth and development. Buhari, even though many Nigerians were enamored by his promises in 2015 and 2019, failed to explain the specifics on how he would tackle these problems during his campaigns. He — and his cronies and supporters — only gave the generic promises (such as "We would build good roads," "We would construct good hospitals," and the likes), which the average Nigerian politicians promise while trying to woo Nigerians. In 2015 and 2019, I didn't see any specific ideas on how Buhari planned to proffer solutions to Nigeria's serious problems such as overdependence on oil, incessant ASUU strikes, poor power supply, among others. That was why I didn't vote for him. I think any candidate we support in the coming elections need to explain specifically how they plan to solve these problems. |
Roland17:Please reply your mails, bros. |
Roland17:Please, respond to your emails. |
Roland17:Done |
Roland17:No problem, bro. Please give me the email address. Thanks a lot. |
milann:You can get enough info on the subject online. Not in the mood for this kind of discussion today because I'm not interested in the subject. |
Havertz10:Before you comment on the history of a people you don't know, the wise thing is to first learn their history. I didn't mention anything like supernatural in the posts you quoted. |
Havertz10:You're just making a fool of yourself in public. You sound like some ignorant fellows that know nothing about the local cultures and their beliefs and are quick to condemn their religious beliefs, whether good or bad. If an ignorant fellow says Orunmila is a fictitious entity, then that means Odua, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Pythagoras are also fictitious entities. Your myopic views on many subjects are risible. Maybe you think the Ifa philosophy (with many wise words) in Yorubaland just dropped from heaven. It seems the average Nigerian is extremely dull. When you're too lazy to read and do research, you'd not hesitate to talk ignorantly about things you don't know of. Even reading literature (an example is given in the picture below) that compares Orunmila with Socrates and going through the corpus of wise words of the former (called Odu Ifa) in the literature and then exploring some Yoruba states in the South-West, it would take a slowpoke to say Orunmila, Ifa, Ogun and co are fictitious characters when their contributions to Yoruba region are well-known. If Orunmila didn't exist, how are you sure Socrates even existed since both of them never put any of their thoughts, ideas, and beliefs in writing, but it was their disciples that did so after their death? What proof do you have that Socrates actually existed? Only a fool will say Odua is a fictitious character. You can quote me when you're knowledgeable enough to discuss issues intelligently, and not by posting ad-hominems.
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Havertz10:Don't get caught up with semantics. The entities that religious people call god are simply higher or gifted beings that had lived in the past. That's not an assumption. It's real history. You only need to interact with those old people in your area to know that all pagan gods of Africa had lived in the past. If you read books about Ifa, Orunmila, Ogun, you'll realize these are past beings that had achieved monumental feats which no one in the community did. As a matter of fact, concerning the names of states and places like Osun, Sango Otta, and others, it's either these gods and goddesses who founded that place named it after their own name or their worshippers named those places after their gods. Hope you know Africa had great empires and civilizations before the Europeans and Arabs conquered the continent. Have you read the history of Aksum? The empire is one of the places named after Atum in the olden days. Havertz10:How does it require a god of matter? Which god does the Big Bang theory and evolution require? Havertz10:A writer like Otem says the Big Bang isn't only limited to this universe, but it still an ongoing process as we speak, creating other universes just like the Big Bang created our universe. With time, we'll know if this is true or not. When one is studying these phenomena (the Big Bang and evolution), invoking one god or the other is usually detrimental to research in science because science is all about objectivity and hard data. Havertz10:You don't know many ideas in science today were got in sci-fi movies like Star Trek? Should I give you examples of such ideas? I see you don't know that a concept like wormhole has its roots in ATR and magic, and it's related to kanako and ofe in Yoruba. When the existence of wormhole is verified in the future, many people wouldn't know it's an idea from paganism and movies. Hope you know in the past, humans had thought ours is the only planet in existence and regarded the shiny objects simply as stars without knowing they are comets, asteroids, other planets, real stars, or other celestial objects. They simply referred to these astronomical objects, including the sky, as heaven. Many years later geniuses like Copernicus developed the heliocentric model (which states the Earth and the other planets orbit the Sun) not the other way round; Galileo (the father of optical telescopy) invented a telescope that verified the heliocenteic model as correct. Today, because our sciences are still primitive, the majority of humans think only this universe exists the same way they considered the Earth as the only planets in existence in the periods preceding the Dark Ages. The existence of the multiverse is possible and doesn't require the invocation of a god. If you think it does, can I know why?
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Havertz10, among its other uses, the JSWT will also help us verify the existence of the multiverse as scientists like Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose proposed. Watch the video to learn more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkjGuuS4mpA Unless you're a clairvoyant physicist who miraculously has gathered all data in the cosmos, you can't be certain the multiverse doesn't exist. Given the fact that what we know of the universe is relatively minute, the existence of the multiverse is a possibility. Humans haven't even set foot on any other planet yet, except our home planet Earth, though "NASA aims to launch astronauts to Mars by the late 2030s or early 2040s." https://www.space.com/nasa-plans-astronauts-mars-mission-30-days
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nihilistjnr:That's the way forward. Sooner or later, this will be achieved. |
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Oasis007:I don't even really know this Simon Ekpa; I only started hearing his name in passing recently. Who is he? What does he do? And what's he fighting for? |
Amoto94:People have condemned the act here, including me. You don't expect the condemnation to be similar to the one that happened in Sokoto because the two cases aren't the same. |
FG needs to intensify the crackdown on the miscreants in IPOB and the Eastern Security Network (ESN). |
donstan18:I really don't understand what kind of cause these violent IPOB members are fighting for by taking the lives of innocent people like this woman and her kids in such a gruesome manner. Their ill-thought action will only make things worse for their leader, who has been in DSS detention for some time now, and their self-determination objective. |
If Peter Obi wins the PDP presidential ticket, I'd vote him, and that will be my first time of taking part in any Nigerian elections. He's a charismatic and well-educated leader. He's the most qualified candidate for the job. |
drisham:Yea. Both of them are our biggest prospects so far. Hoping they can improve next season. |
Impressed with James' and Mount's numbers.
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Havertz10:You speak so confidently about many things you're ignorant about. Let me first correct your first wrong notion about me: I never told you or anyone there's no god or there is a god. Learn to read things carefully and read wide to broaden your scope. I don't say a god exists or doesn't exist. My approach to anything called god or God is agnostic, not atheistic. The agnostic position states god/God is unknown, not god/God is inexistent like some atheists say. That difference is important so you don't confuse my stance on issues with that of an atheist. I find the agnostic position more reasonable and convenient than the atheistic approach. Unlike an atheist, I don't state "a god/God doesn't exist," "heaven and hell don't exist," "soul or spirit doesn't exist." My own position as an agnostic is that we don't know for sure if god/God exists or not since we're yet to visit and explore 0.0000000001% of the known universe. The more one delves deeper into some areas in Physics and have some life experience, the more one considers the possibility of some concepts, such as the multiverse existing. By the time one studies higher-dimensional concepts in mathematics involving quaternions and the likes and sees the limitations of the laws, theories, and principles in Physics, one realizes our sciences are still primitive, though they're highly valued by us. The sciences still have a long way to go. Then, based on my research and experience, I know soul and spirit exist because there's scientific (theoretical) basis accounting for their existence. Personally, once I can establish or discover a scientific basis for something, I'm open to the possibility of its existence as an independent thinker. Don't confuse my use of the terms soul and spirit to mean religious concepts like demons, which don't exist in reality. I don't regard both concepts the way a religious person does, but as components or aspects of an animate entity existing in higher dimensions (beyond this spatio-temporal (4D) reality) but don't seem real to humans. Reading your comments on issues, I see your knowledge of Physics is not that deep. Hence, you don't know our perception as humans is very narrow and limited. If you understand Optics and Acoustic Physics, especially waves, you'd know the human eyes can only see a small fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum. Thus, we don't and can't see many things around us, meaning those things exist but are not real to us. A person that understands this doesn't talk with certainty on some issues when his perception of things is very narrow. The major reasons why we (humans) can't see or detect soul or spirit is our narrow or limited visual and aural perception and limited scientific understanding of concepts like energy and waves. Once we can understand waves and energy deeply, we'll be able to see or detect soul/consciousness. As far as I'm concerned, any animate entity like a human has three aspects or components: the body (which is the three-dimensional component we see), and two other higher-dimensional components which are the soul and the spirit. At the depth of all things are fields and energy. What we call field today in Physics is what the ancients regarded as spirit, ether which religious people built many superstitious beliefs and myths around. The scientific understanding of waves, like other concepts, is evolving. (Anyone familiar with the relationship between electromagnetic field and ether, especially as it relates to EM/light propagation, will understand what I'm saying, and I won't explain this to reduce the length of this post.) When we understand waves and fields deeply, we'll discover and understand higher-dimensional aspects of a human (known as soul/spirit in religion and philosophy), characterized by natural phenomena like OOBE, lucid dreaming, and related concepts. Some scientists have been working on these research areas, and I read an interesting paper on them recently that also proposes a scientific basis for reincarnation. A number of concepts in religious texts are natural and exist in reality, but the way religious people explain them as superstitious and supernatural (due to the limited understanding of their gods and prophets) is the main problem. Soul and spirit are examples of such concepts. And when scientists even understand waves and fields better, they may not call them soul and spirit but use a more suitable and broader term. |
GloriousGbola:Okay. |
GloriousGbola:ASUU members had complained of a series of unexpected deductions from their salary. During some months in 2020, lecturers were complaining that some professors received a pay of less than 100,000 naira via IPPIS. Did you hear about those complaints? They said the deductions were too much and unusual. I think the demands of ASUU members are genuine and the strike (though painful for Nigerian students) is justified. |
macjireh:Delusions ![]() |
macjireh:Delusions. |
macjireh:I never told you I'm an atheist, and I've never had a physical meeting or discussion with an atheist or agnostic. |
macjireh:Lols. Humans are limited, including your god. Being an atheist doesn't make a person all-knowing. |
Segedinho:There are myriads of beliefs, and often, what one believes could be different from reality. Nevertheless, there are some elements of truth in all religions and belief systems, including the ATR and Christianity. But to separate facts from fictions, it's better to adopt the scientific method (observation, reasoning, and experimention/testing). That approach allows us to know objectively what's real and true (independent of one's religion, race, personal interests and affiliations, etc.) from what is ideated and false. There are some scientific theories "that support the idea of parallel universes beyond our own". Read more here: Do parallel universes exist? We might live in a multiverse. — https://www.space.com/32728-parallel-universes.html |
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