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Segedinho:
I understand the bolded.


I wouldn't wonna ask more question to undermine what you had or went through as a result of the bolded.

But,how do u explain dreams that transforms into reality.

My mum dreams/sees exactly what will happen to someone and within a short period of time it triggers.

The one that really drew my attention was the accident my immediate elder bro had...just a week b4 she called and explained her dream to him.

Is their any scientific explanation for it?

Some people have that gift where some of their dreams come to pass, but there are charlatans as well.

For the genuine ones, this is my own opinion: they might have got such information (the details of the dreams) unconsciously or consciously from another realm or from the subconscious part of the brain.

I honestly don't think the physical realm is the only realm of existence, and based on some of my life experiences, it doesn't make sense to see this reality as the only realm in existence.

It's because of some of the things I've experienced that I'm not an atheist.

I think life is much deeper.

That's my own view, or you can call it speculations because I don't think there are concrete scientific answers to that question yet.

But there will be in the future.

DissTroy:
The onos is on you, the naysayers, to prove there's no supreme, all intelligent being. I choose to call that being God.

So far, even the most brilliant scientific atheists have not been able to disprove there's no God, including your late demi-god, Stephen Hawkings. (Funny how atheists adore him like a religious leader.)

Heck! There's infighting amongst atheists as to how the world came to me. Some believe the Big Bang Theory and some laugh it off.
How do you want to be taken seriously when you don't even have a united and common front?

What makes it even more ironic is, atheism has sects since some believe some theories and some don't so you bicker amongst yourselves as to who is more right and which more probable?
You know where else that happens? Religion! Like Catholism and Protestantism or Sunnis ans Shi'as.

So, which of the sects are you? Bing Bang or chemical evolution or which other?

Lols, religious people thinking like a child always see everything as a religion or devotion to a god.

What does sect have to do with atheism when atheists generally don't even share a set of beliefs or creed?

Atheists, like agnostics, have and support various ideas and theories about life and reality.

I'm sure Chelsea is also a sect to you, not a football club.

Maybe, you see the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) that atheists mention jokingly online as a real entity (God). Lols.

You're merely confusing yourself.

Segedinho:
I am interested in this OOBE.

Did it just happen randomly or you did something to trigger it.


Just curious

It happens randomly or naturally for me. But some people say or claim they can stimulate it at will via meditation, use of entheogens or phychedelics (I don't like this risky method though and don't know if it works or not), and others.

I've not been able to do OOBE at will, but whenever it happens, I engage in it consciously.

It's like lucid dreaming, where one can consciously control or remember vividly some aspects of the dream.

I don't want to discuss the topic further please.

macjireh:
So u believe in d existence of a Multiverse ,, Havertz10 come and see Ur colleague

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It's not a belief. It's a position or a possibility (put mildly).

There are various pieces of evidence in support of the Big Bang Theory, and it's the best theory that we have today explaining the origin of the Universe.

This piece explains the theory:

What is the Big Bang Theory? https://www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

In the coming years, scientists will make a lot of progress on that theory because of the successful design and deployment of the most powerful telescope in the world and in history, the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST).

The JWST is parked in Lagrangian points in space and will peer back into our distant past to gather data about the the origin of the Universe.

(Lagrangian points are areas in the Earth orbit with weak gravitational force reducing the fuel needed to maintain a satellite, telescope, and similar equipment.)

In the coming years, the device will send its data back to the Earth for scientists to check and analyze.

When it comes to the question of the origin of the Universe, scientists give us the best answers, which are refined and improved on daily with more and more discoveries.

But the religious texts only give answers that look vague like childish tales, invoking one god or the other to account for the origin of the universe.

The scientific method is better than the religious (divine) method because the former is open to questioning and skepticism, isn't based on dogmas, allows for objectivity, and is revised from time to time.

The fact that what we know as humans pales in comparison with what we don't know doesn't necessitate the existence of a supernatural entity called God.

Evolution is a well established phenomenon in science, and Neo-Darwinism is one of the most solid theories in science.

Everything changes (evolves) over time, but evolution doesn't accurately account for the origin of life on Earth.

My own position based on my research on the subject is that the following theories all account for the origin of life on this planet:
1. The Big Bang
2. Evolution
3. Intelligent Design
4. Panspermia (which states life began elsewhere in the Universe and was distributed by space dust, meteoroids, asteroids, comets, planetoids, and spacecraft)

In the coming years, more advances will be made in these areas.

By the time one delves deeper into how life began on Earth, one will realize that given the highly complex nature of life on this planet, there has to be an intelligent, self-conscious, and self-learning Mind (not a god or God) behind the scene.

Even taking a mere look at the DNA, the genetic building block (code) of life, it's only natural to think there's an intelligent Mind responsible for the design of the code in the DNA.

The level of complexity of the DNA, consciousness, brain, human body, planets, etc. is too high and the fine-tuning of certain aspects of nature (or constants of nature) too carefully done to say all this just occurred by chance.

Still, that doesn't mean God exists or has to exist.

Personally, I regard Existence as a self-conscious, intelligent, and self-learning system which humans, animals, planets, and other things in the Universe are all part of.

In other words, humans, animals, planets, etc. each form a subset (a group, field, or ring with infinite elements) of an infinite, self-conscious, self-learning, and intelligent system or set called Existence.

Then, I don't see the physical reality (world) as the only reality or realm in existence. Those of us that have had near-death experience, lucid dreams, out-of-body experience (OOBE) would have seen other realms of existence, worlds governed by laws of nature different from the physical world.

(I recall when I'd an out-of-body experience for the first time in 2005, where I saw myself floating over my body, looking at myself lying on the bed; then, as a religious person, I thought death had come, and because I was scared, my consciousness quickly drifted back into my body, and I woke up in fright, praying fervently never to be in such a state.

But now I know better that ours is just one of the many realms of existence, having had OOBE many times over the past decade. OOBE is like lucid dreaming and when one dies, it looks like OOBE at first.

The only difference is that in death, one transitions permanently into another world or realm, not temporarily like in OOBEs.

That's why our wise forefathers in Yoruba say ìkú dabi aajo aremabọ, meaning death is like a journey with no return. Having that experience (OOBE) is like going on a journey into space.

OOBEs, like lucid dreaming, are a journey into oneself, the deepest corners of one's brain, which is one's inner world.)

But these are personal experiences which can be subjective. Still, these phenomena suggest the existence of the multiverse.

It's scientifically possible that ours is just one of the many (maybe infinite) universes in existence, and like theoretical physicists such as nobel laureate Roger Penrose posit, other universe(s) exists.

But that's not an established fact in science yet.

Havertz10:
I get that engineers are behind Chinese government policies and they are brilliant but the way these guys have hacked capitalism, and people wonder why Americans are worried about china, those fuckers are a decade away from being at the fore front of every major technology, even Samsung and apple couldn’t survive the battle against their local brands, 1.4billion customers, they don’t even need the global market self, asides for raw materials, add the fact that their news and social media is isolated from American propaganda and you will see that they aren’t playing

In china kids are shown science stuff on social media, they adjusted the algorithm to educate children, meanwhile Nigerian kids are talking about portable and nairamarley

Nigeria's situation is a pathetic one, and things keep getting worse.

Honestly, religion is a huge problem in this country, damages one's thinking, and is one of the major reasons behind the lack of development in Nigeria.

It's a hopeless situation.

Capaldi:
Are you refuting his claim that the human body has many flaws or what? He is not wrong in that aspect. The human body has numerous flaws.

I didn't refute that. It's an undeniable fact that the human body has many flaws.

What I refuted is his assertion that anyone can design a human body.

Chelsea sale: Roman Abramovich 'reaches agreement' with UK government over Todd Boehly deal.
https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/news/chelsea-sale-roman-abramovich-deal-23989671

Havertz10:
you can’t be a Christian and doubt the Bible, the very foundation of that abstract concept is rooted in the Bible

I understand the dilemma for people like you, you can’t conceptualize the universe and instead succumb to the believe that there is someone behind everything, but there isn’t

Honestly I wish there was a god, so I can have someone to blame for the absurdity of the world, look at human beings for instance, I could list flaws with our design, there is little to no intelligence behind anything about us, if I ask you to design a human being, you would do a better job self, talk less of an all seeing , all knowing god

We are all a result of adaptability and entropy, there is no god, stop being a low budget atheist, allow your mind to expand

I agree with your post mostly, but the highlighted is a funny assertion.

Even the smallest part of our body is extremely complex, let alone the whole human body.

It would take the brightest human minds millions of years to design a human. I don't think you know the level of complexity of the brain, liver, lungs, etc.

Our sciences are still primitive as oceans of mysteries remain unknown and undiscovered by researchers.

I was writing a book on consciousness late last year, and by the time I delved deeper into the research of what consciousness is, I realized the problem of consciousness is really a hard one as Australian philosopher David Chalmers said.

It would take years to develop a robust theoretical and mathematical basis for consciousness.

At one point while working on the problem, it would look like I had cracked it, then the whole thing would look nebulous again.

After reading various books on the subject, it dawned on me that to understand the problem of consciousness, one needs to gain a deep understanding of Quantum Physics, Electromagnetism, String and Superstring theories, Neuroscience, holographic duality theory, hypercomplex numbers, just to mention a few.

The human body is extremely complex, and to understand what consciousness is, it would take scientists at least 200 years.

Do you know the level of research done for the past 100 years and billions of dollars spent to develop the Standard Model, the most successful theory in Physics?

If you do, you wouldn't have made that statement. I don't think you understand how complex our body, especially the brain, is.

Oasis007:


You and A001 are verified Atheists on this Board so far. Take a bow, but don't forget to enjoy life to the fullest o, coz no heaven for you o.

I am not an atheist, bro. I'm an agnostic, and heaven is a boring place that I don't even want to be in if it exists.

Well, heaven and hell are states of mind anyway, i.e. they're mental states.

Kimbeast:
Is the Christian God a Rapist for violating and putting his child into Mary without her consent?

Yes.

DissTroy:
Like I stated, I created it.

"Gyno" : female;
"Minor": not adult or mature, and;
"Phile": loving or keen attraction for.

So, Gynominorphile - sexual attraction for female minors or underaged females.

You can do anything with the English language if you understand and follow the rules.

Gynominorphile sounds euphemistic, I'm sure our Muslim brothers will agree.

It seems better than child fucker or pedophile, though the latter is really the right word to be sincere.

DissTroy:
Let me create a word they might be comfortable with :

"Gynominorphile" - One who is sexually attracted to female minors.

At least the word is not stipulated as a crime legally.

Call him a gynominorphile. That might be an easier pill to swallow.

What's the etymology of the word?

Kholiwe:
I never brought the religion angle into it so you had no reason to bring it in. You were not objective as a learned person would and should have done.

I responded to your posts critically keeping in mind the (religious) beliefs that guide them.

I don't think you should rely on my opinion or objectivity to validate or invalidate your beliefs because in discussions like this I always promote the use of scientific method, reason, the local cultures (the good aspects), true history, and freethinking.

Kholiwe:
Attack the things I write down in my post to you not what I didn't write down. I never mentioned religion or refered to any religious books when we were discussing rights, wrong, Good/bad and morality.

You said earlier you're a Christian. You said so yourself; I didn't put words in your mouth.

Hence, I responded to your posts based on your religion (I know that's where your beliefs stem from) and the points you put forward in your posts.

Unlimited22:
It comes from an African, therefore it must be true

Your problem is actually graver than I thought. It turns out you can't read and comprehend simple and clear statements in English.

Unlimited22:
Exactly. And throwing insults here and there to those who don't subscribe to your reasoning is the height of emancipation. I never knew

Person follow you dey yarn society but all you can talk about is religion. Sorry o, Mr Daenerys Stormborn, breaker of chains


A001 with the whole brain. Rejecting one text for another and claiming to be emancipated. Lmao.

He/she is a religious person. The reasonable thing to do is to discuss a religious issue with a religionist as who he/she is, a religionist, not as a freethinker (who he/she is not).

If I find your post mischievous and insulting, I'd reply you in kind.

It's not reasonable to swallow all the contents of any book or a text hook, line, and sinker. All books or texts are handiwork of man, and one only takes as true what's true based on merit and reason.

Kholiwe:
You keep talking about religion this and that where as all my posts are centered on society definition of right, wrong Morality etc in general without even bringing religion into it. The only thing in that big head of yours is religion.

Lols. You're a religious person, and I know you people's reasoning is always controlled by the content of a book, even when the reality of things contradicts your beliefs.

Abeg enough of religious discussion for me, just hold onto your beliefs while I hold onto reason.

Kholiwe:
It's basically written all over history. Keep up and stop carrying me backwards. Human reasoning is flawed and you already agreed to it. Everything at our disposal to scientifically understand reality is heuristics (theories, models, experiments, studies), which by their nature can never be 100% correct. So in terms of factual understanding of the world all we humans can do is try to use the scientific or other methods to converge to a universal understanding of reality as much as possible, but we will never, ever achieve a universal understanding. This is the human condition and what the Socratic paradox is all about.

Thanks for showing me a reasonable person can't trust your religious text since it's the handiwork of man (human reason). It didn't drop from heaven.

Unlimited22:
Human reasoning is flawed. Religion is flawed.

Only Otem and Atum are faultless

And those ones no be human? It's obvious there's a kind of damage reading and believing religious texts do to the brain.

A smart person analyses any statement he reads in any book (whether religious, historical or philosophical) based on the merit of its claims.

But the typical Nigerian, with their deeply ingrained inferiority complex, would analyze statements based on the author's nationality or race, without considering the merit (evidence for or against) of the claims.

If it's from the whites and Arabs, then it's must be authentic and profound, but if it's from a fellow African, then it's must be devilish and evil.

Anything foreign and European is superior and pleasing to slaves.

Kholiwe:
Since you agree Human reason is limited, fallible, and conjectural then you agree it cannot be trusted as well.

If you can't trust human reason, then how did you conclude rape, slavery weren't condemned in the past?

If human reason can't be trusted, then nothing you say as a human can be trusted.

Kholiwe:
What makes you the judge of good acts? There's no such thing as objective "right" or "wrong", just people's opinions. Right and wrong is purely subjective. Killing an enemy is right, but wrong if you are that enemy.

You asked me what makes me the judge of good acts even after I said right and wrong are subjective; yet you said, "Killing an enemy is right."

What makes you the judge of that?

Any sane person knows what's right and wrong.

Kholiwe:
Rape and murder is only wrong, objectively now, because it clearly doesn’t work in the kind of society we are trying to live in. That is why, and the only why. The society determine what is wrong or right. Even rape and murder have not been considered wrong by all societies throughout all history. In many periods these were completely acceptable activities depending on who the victim was. All morality and ethics, which define "right" and "wrong," are human-made and vary by group, culture, time, and place.

When you realize the holy book you hold so dearly and your religion are both the handiwork of man, you'll understand these simple and clear issues.

Morality, ethics, philosophy, religion, science, etc. are all man-made. That's a fact you need to deal with.

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Kholiwe:
Human reason is limited, fallible, and conjectural.

Yes, that's true.

You only need to read your Bible/Qur'an critically to see that your god, with his human-like traits, is also limited and fallible.

In modern times, if not for civilization and exposure of the human race, a number of great people and scientists would have easily been deified and worshipped as God like the past humans worshipped as God today in religions were deified in the past (dark age).

But humans are wiser and more enlightened now; some are even wiser than the gods of religion.

Kholiwe:
There's no realty involved in any of your post. Reality is accepting the fact that what is right and wrong is determined by the Society in which one lives in. Nothing is generally bad or good. Go and read more about moral relativism

Moral relativism won't make rape, child marriage, slavery, ritual killing good acts.

Just onto your beliefs while I hold onto reason and my philosophy.

But be careful about what you advocate so that the evil you condone today doesn't come back to haunt you in the future.

raumdeuter:
Most of the things we frown at these days were sometimes ordered by God in the bible

E.g when they go to war, they were given order to commit mass murder, rape, looting, catch slaves and anyone who refused to do this was dealt with

No belief system holy pass sha!!

Ordered by God . That's the main problem. And it's sad, people still have this caveman mentality in modern times.

Reason should supersede following so-called God's orders.

Kholiwe:
Those things were practically legal during those days. Like I said before it's Society that determines what's wrong or right. Hundred of years from now what was seen as right can be regarded as wrong and vice versa.

Legal where? Specify the actual place. The world is wide, not a small village.

Any god of religion started as a local god, whether it's Allah or Jehovah. And even though they're more popular these days due to colonialism, wars, invasions, trading, they're still local gods.

Kholiwe:
Since you agreed their is no universal agreement on what is right and wrong then you can't call anything Evil. Evil is a man made concept that can change over time as well. At the bold that's your personal opinion which I don't agree with.

It's reality. You don't have to agree with it.

I'm sure tomorrow when certain events happen that don't augur well for your religion or interests, you'll adopt another standard to justify your desires.

A religionist like you has different standards for analysing issues, and your self-interest is what determines the particular standard you choose at any point in time, not the truth or advocating what's right.

Hypocritical should be a synonym for religious.

Kholiwe:
It's Society that determines what is bad and Good. Back then those things you listed was not regarded as bad to those societies.

You're generalizing to suit your narrative. Religious people are wont to twisting historical facts to suit their parochial agenda.

Kholiwe:
It's Society that determines what is good and right from bad. Morality is an human invention.

Yes, morality is a human invention, but religion is as well.

But you, religious people, don't want to accept the simple fact that your religion (just like all aspects or concepts humans use or practice every day) is man-made.

There's nothing divine in or about life.

Like I said in the morning, acts like rape, child marriage, stealing, slavery were as bad in ancient times as they're in modern times.

There has never been a point in history where all the cultures in the world agreed on a universal standard for what is right and what is wrong.

Right and wrong are always subjective and relative with different perspectives going from one culture, species, country, or the other.

And as human species (who are sentient and civilized), child marriage and rape are evil. We, as humans, are endowed with higher intellect compared with lesser animals, and as a species, our needs are identical.

Hence, even though good and bad are relative and subjective; an average human (regardless of race, age or gender) would frown at an act that has adverse effects on their health and well-being and appreciate a deed that impacts their life positively.

While there are grey areas when it comes to right and wrong, I don't see how that applies to rape, slavery, child marriage, ritual killing.

Even in Muhammad's time, some people criticized child marriage and rape, just like in modern times, animal rights activists condemn killing of animals for food even though the majority of us presently consume organic meat.

When slavery and slave-trading were at the peak in Asia, Europe, and Africa, some people condemned the practice.

Slave abolitionism, agnosticism, atheism, etc, are as old as slavery, gnosticism, theism, etc.

All good and bad acts done in human history (whether by the majority or minority) have their supporters and their critics.

Ellexy:
Is there anywhere in the world where scoring an offside goal is a crime or punishable with life imprisonment?

Don't mind them. Let them keep trivializing the issue.

We're talking about a life-and-death issue, they're mentioning offside rules in football.

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