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monerozi5590:
I don't even understand you. You blame the increase in security in Northern Nigeria (Boko Haram) due to military intervention in Libya.

Now you are wanting military intervention in Niger!

You d make me laugh

When confusion don break their thinking bone this is the outcome.

With your own hand you agreed that what happened in Libya led to insecurity but somehow this one will be different.

Talmbout we were passive, shey Libya na part of ECOWAS? We should have invaded them before NATO and Obama did or wetin

If they wanted Gaddafi dead is it Nigeria that would have stopped it

Blud said we cannot afford to be passive and let NATO and Obama interest interest prevail over our own. Alawada

kad199:
https://www.nairaland.com/7791329/northern-nigeria-senators-caucus-reject#124887250

If it goes South na them go suffer am. They are the ones that will face the influx of refugees not Agbado warmongers with no skin in the game. Some are in Lagos, some outside Nigeria so the prospect of war does not concern them. These people are but dots to them, whether lives and properties are lost e no consign them and they don't believe they will face any consequences and repercussions. If they did they wouldn't be this hasty

GloriousGbola:
with 100s of different country flags, you have the protesters choosing ONLY russian flags - and you think it is a coincidence .

Causation != Correlation

A lot of people are sick of the West and what they have represented to them thus far. Again tying this coup to Russia is just lazy.

Pro Russia crowd does not literally mean Russia planned the coup

GloriousGbola:
when oil was a major FX earner, Nigeria was no 11 in the world. so by your analogy, no one should have bothered investing in Nigerias reserves. america has over 44 billion barrels of oil reserves but they still bought oil from everyone. You have also missed it. China is the manufacturing hub - not Russia. China is the country that needs lithium. are you sure you have thought this argument out? ironically, Mali is no 10 in lithium reserves and thier junta is wagner backed.

You're reaching here. I'm saying if they didn't topple governments with far more lithium than us then they have no reason to topple Nigeria.

Zimbabwe has lithium why is Russia not causing chaos there?

It takes two to tango. The Malian forces tired of French influence and calling on Russia for backup. Let's stop pretending these countries are not sick of Western influence already.

Besides the West have looted more from Africa than Russia ever has so what are we even talking about here?

Is it better for Niger that France get lithium at $218 and Niger's cut is as little as $11. Is that not enough reason to kick France out of their land?

GloriousGbola:
it is called playing both sides. during the cold war, Nigeria still did business with russia, even though the country was clearly aligned with the west.

I will remind you that ESN attacked an American convoy. It is unlikely the convoy was unmarked or capable of being mistaken for a Nigerian convoy. At the time it looked like a case of mistaken identity by some trigger happy gunmen. With everything happening now, I'm not so sure.

You are removing responsibility from these people and putting it on Russia. Why? You start wars on your own and come to me for weapons. How am I the bad guy?

You're married to this conspiracy theory in your head. I don't think I can divorce you from it at this point

GloriousGbola:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/28/russias-wagner-boss-appears-to-hail-niger-coup-tout-services

i am sure aljazeera is also western propaganda



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/19/prigozhin-in-video-tells-wagner-troops-to-prepare-for-africa?traffic_source=KeepReading



https://time.com/6300145/wagner-group-niger-future/

Duh. This is typically how wars work and this why we ask you to avoid them. When you invade another country don't think other countries might not jump in to help them fight. Especially when they see your war against them is an unjust one. The Goat Michael Jordan said it best, "I'll fight with you, just fight"

Cheering a coup != Complicit

GloriousGbola:
just two months ago, we were evacuating our people from a country overrun by wagner backed militia.

the citizens in niger are waving RUSSIAN flags. maybe it is a fashion statement . maybe they just happened to be storing russian flags for this occasion. i am sure the default action when celebrating a coup is to start waving the flag of another country

What flag do you want them to wave? France? USA? What is special about flag? I thought we agreed they are hired protesters so what would it cost a few people sympathetic to Russia to pick a few flags. That proves nothing

GloriousGbola:
nigeria has lithium. i don't know how many times i have to say this before it sinks in. as the west moves towards deadlines for phasing out ICE cars, lithium will be the oil of the future.

three countries linked border to border , (with one bordering Niger ) have had successful wagner sponsored coups but you cannot see a connection?

Top 10 countries with Lithum in the world Nigeria no dey there. If it's by Lithium Wagner should be in Chile, Bolivia turning things upside down. Their paddy China is also there to give them all the lithium they can handle. You're just making up conspiracy theories here like Q-Anon and co

All coups with 3 completely different circumstances. Abi na the Russia summit you dey use make your inference? I hope you know your VP was also there. You know what that meins 🤷‍♂️

GloriousGbola:
why would you be surprised if russia is providing support for ESN? that is the way these things go. the ANC run SA is aligned with russia because the west did nothing about apartheid during the cold war because of political expediency. the west did not support biafra then, and will not support them now. maybe you do not realize it, but for all intents and purposes, we are back to cold war 2.0. West vs China/Russia/Saudi/Iran.

Where is your evidence? You can't keep making wild accusations and not back them up.

Russia will sell you weapons if you give them money. That one has always been their M.O since Biafra war days. That is pure business and has nothing to do with alignment.

Western countries like US and France literally have bases in these countries and you don't believe they're influences it's weapon seller you're holding responsible

Android17:

I no be Russiophile sef but it is getting ridiculous ngl

Amigoss:
See what Senegalese incumbent president is doing to an opposition because he is the youths favourite and going as far as putting him in jail preventing him from participating in next year's election, disbanding the party and banning social media,no words from ECOWAS about that yet...

When and if the military steps in with a coup cos of the endless violence,dem go say na Russia/Wagner sponsor am

I just tire mehn. Propaganda is a really powerful thing.

They will tell us how Wagner have been operating since the time of Abdou Diouf and Abdoulaye Wade and them see Putin for France them no greet am

ECOWAS are just being used as tools. Na them know

raumdeuter:
People have their own version of democracy

Russia Putin 20yrs plus
Germany Angela Merkel 18yrs
Mubarak, Ghadafi Saddam also all spent over 30yrs each

Even in Europe

https://www.intellinews.com/emerging-europe-s-longest-lasting-leaders-280271/

Russia and Germany are not running democracy

Mubarak, Gadaffi and Sadam were not running democracy either.

That is my point. These people should stop pretending they are fighting for any yeye democracy. What we can call what is happening in most west African countries is civilian rule that's all

Let's just be honest in all we are doing

Amigoss:
Russia already sponsoring ESN ,Simon Ekpa is hiding somewhere in Kremlin too na

Eyan DJ Yk

DJ YK Emule. Gbemidebe

BlueRayDick:
The country will obviously engulf into civil war that was last years.

I don't even understand all these talks about democracy at all cost. Paul Biya is a 90 year old man that has been the president of cameroun before my parents even met. Yet he has the backing of France and America to continue to rule evwn when he's almost wearing diapers.

Is that the kind of democracy tey practise in France and America? Do they have a situation where the president persecutes member of the opposition and silence dissenting voices? The hypocrisy is just stinking to high heavens.

We like peak fooling in West Africa. Practicing civil rule and calling it democracy

We all saw what happened in Senegal and how they shut down the internet

Ouattara for CIV President since 2010 turning constitution like amala

Biya 40 years president (Cameroon no be ECOWAS member to be fair)

Eyadema Papa rule 37 years, pikin don do 18

Chad - Idris Deby do 30 years e die pikin enter

What they want is a nominal 'democracy' people can turn constitution like amala and papa can hand over to pikin so long as them wear agbada

BlueRayDick:
They didn't just start sharing border with us today. They are having an internal dispute amongst themselves with the military sacking the democratic government (which is not the first in Africa and won't be the last)

Coups will always happen especially in the Francophone countries due to the French policy of assimilation which we've discussed extensively in the past.

We do not have the resources to be doing big brother Africa like we used to in the past. Times have changed.

Even if the military action is successful, there's no guarantee the country Niger will experience peace going forward. Something already shifted. They will most likely continue to have internal security challenges, things don't just go back to normal afterwards.

What else are we blaming Russia for is what I want to know

Ambazonia in Cameroon

Civil war in Chad

Niger coup.

Mali and Burkina Faso coup

Even herdsmen attacking farmers for middle belt na Wagner cause am

GloriousGbola:
This is where we are. Whether we want to be involved or not, we share a large border with this country. By now it should be obvious the coup is sponsored by Russia's wagner. The coup ultimately is about resources. We also have resources that wagner would love to get their hands on. It did not end with Mali, it did not end with Sudan. It will not end with Niger.

This is also how it started with Germany in ww2. One country at a time.

Whether we want to be involved or not we are involved. It is now a question of whether we want to be on top of the situation or if we want the situation to be on top of us.

Understand that wagner/Russia WILL NOT STOP. Especially as we have lithium and gold in the North. Gold that China is already stealing supported by bandits.

There is a new alignment Russia, China, Saudi, iran. All very strange bedfellows. But all capable of sponsoring more strife in Nigeria towards their own ends. Saudi and northern salafists, iran and the shiites, China and the bandits. For all we know Russia is already sponsoring esn. (they did attack a us convoy)

So we are already in it. Maybe not neck deep, but up to the knees.

We are Nigerians and we should understand this. When /if robbers start operating in your area, you are involved whether you want to be or not.

For all we know, just as America already knew that Russia would invade Ukraine, they already knew about the Russian backed coup and have already briefed Tinubu.

Them don cook better propaganda sell give una. Niger that has been an unstable zone for years. When Wagner begin operate? Is it Wagner that have been running wild in Chad all this time?

Is it Wagner that scattered Libya?

This is akin to when Bush claimed there was weapon of mass destruction in Iraq and tore the country upside down and didn't see any.

What are the resources Nigeria get compared to Russia

No take laugh kill me abeg. Russia might not be involved before but they will be now since we have chosen to not mind our business.

We literally had territory of the country that wasn't under Nigerian rule a while ago and you're talking of Wagner and Russia. Na wa oh. Shey na Wagner say make you no fit enter Potiskum or comot once 4pm knack

We don't even know for certain who backed this coup but una don begin blame Russia again without proof. So tey you dey tie Russia to ESN. Ma pa mi nau

Segedinho:
The funny part is even d displaced president love is in danger once d invasion is activated..

Toh. If them kpai am what next?

CrystalTiger:
Military intervention dey draw from your mouth like ogbono yet you never leave nairaland go barracks go submit your name as volunteer 😠..

Normal Twitter fingers behavior

Shebi you will first even secure your own country. After all charity begins at home

Segedinho:
The funny part is even d displaced president love is in danger once d invasion is activated..

These people don't think that's the problem. What military invasion and 'intervention' do they know has not had costly consequences and repercussions

Russia v Ukraine
USA v Iraq
USA v Afghanistan
USA v Vietnam
Soviet v Afghanistan

Even the so called bigger country rarely leaves without a black eye.

If these coupists are not cowards and have balls you're talking of probably having to rebuild (not much to scatter anyway) but still wars. I have been looking up wars randomly and entirely by coincidence of late. These things are so unnecessary and the damage so irreversible I can't understand for the life of me how people who likely won't be affected are the ones so aggressively pushing for it. It is wicked

Segedinho:
That is the reason we must cut ties with them...lock border and sanction them in all capacity..



War is another finance draining exercise itself...we are assumed to be too poor and will definitely add this to our drainy list

They think we are anti War because we don't like their Agbado shigidi and it's really annoying.

What if it was a bloody coup. The entire region would have entered full blown war

Balogunodua:
Niger is a matter of national security...we can't allow a country run by a military govt at our doorsteps.

If allowed, it is just a matter of time before warlord starts springing up from around its region creating more mess for us over here.

You people are too funny walahi

You have Boko Haram inside your doormot your talmbout national security. This cannot be a real post

What was Idris Deby fighting in Chad till he died. The ship for warlords not springing up in West Africa has sailed. Have you people been sleeping?

Balogunodua:
The bold is a joke right

Another Agbado warmonger? You think you have been fighting terrorists without help from Niger and Chad abi?

Shaytun:
Except your statements are full of contradictions.

There’s a reason I gave you that article to read, I can’t be debating with you, when the point you are making either doesn’t make any sense or contradict each other

Contradiction where? You're a muppet

I know what you are. An Agbado warmonger with no actual skin in the game.

I have no interest in your useless article

Shaytun:
It will be better for everyone if you read up on the coup and everything about it.

Stop giving gba Takes.

You don’t even know where you stand.

Read this, it will help you to atleast understand what is going on.

https://sahelblog./2023/08/03/thoughts-on-nigers-coup-at-the-domestic-level-proximate-triggers-structural-causes-and-some-ramifications/

Walahi you're a dolt!!

You want to fight the people that have been helping you crush the terrorism you have been battling with over a decade, instead of economic sanctions, you want to lead a struggling country into a potentially expensive battle.

What if they kill Bazoum. What happens next?

Shithouse! You don't think. You still believe we are against this war as a slight to BAT. Are you ret@rded or what? It's because we know starting chaos is easy ending it is the problem

A whole Putin entered broke Ukraine and over a year and a half is still stuck in a war of attrition. Is that what you want? What do you think happens if this 'intervention' is unsuccessful. Do you know how many Nigerien refugees will be at your door step. Heaven forbid they push us back and enter our country

But you don't care. Do you? You have no skin in the game.

Niger is already top 5 poorest countries on the planet. I no know which suffering them fit suffer wey wan pass this one already

Shaytun:
Nope.

Niger did not have a change of rule, their leader was kidnapped.

Potatoe potatoh

Shaytun:
Amazingly, one of the answers is in your statement.

The 4th coup in quick succession, if nothing is done expect the 5th, 6th till the whole region falls under a puppet regime of a private military company.

Nope, I have an unwaveringly support for my country, and unlike you, I understand just the implications of having an unstable regime in Niger will cause Nigeria.

The world doesn’t exist in isolation, there’s a reason why every sane country is invested in what happen to their neighbours.

The more pressing question you should be asking yourself is why are the Coups happening?

Weak and compromised leadership is the reason.

My own is for relative peace to be in existence. Cameroon have had a puppet of the west for about 40 years so I don't see the issue

Eyadema died, the son bounced the vice and took over and has been in power 18 years. Is it Deby of Chad who ruled 30 years and now his son is in charge.

You people keep supporting this peak fooling una dey call democracy.

Niger cannot be more unstable than it has been for the past 40 years. Nobody used excuse to invade us when we were going through our problems so why are you adamant on invading another country?

You're not more supportive than other Nigerians that realize the financial and physical burden a potential war can bring to the region.

I don't understand your excitement for it. You're not a troop, not a Northerner, you're not even a Nigerien. You don't really have skin in the game

Shaytun:
You are celebrating the coup.

It’s not a war, it’s an intervention.

A democratically elected president, chosen by the good people of Niger to serve a Four year term rule has been taken hostage by a disgruntled head of the presidential guard.

How will you see tag when the military junta have already banned the internet?

Are you even following this development, or just feeding on what Twitter influencers have been feeding you?

There have been massive protest from the Nigerien diaspora in other countries.

Let me remind you again, maybe you keep forgetting this important fact, the first protest that broke out following the coup was an anti-coup protest, but they were shot at and have been unable to come out in Niamey since then.

That’s because I’m your tiny mind and your hate for Tinubu, you actually believe this is for ego sake.

Shey Buhari no ban Twitter?

Didn't Senegal block the internet?

Make una talk another thing abeg. A despot is a despot whether e wear khaki or agbada

Segedinho:
I think Mr Junta is ready for war from d beginning n maybe has a back up plan already prepared...

We have got much to loose if we invade ....the already porous and vulnerable northern part will bleed when it generates to a full blown war

He did say he would recruit 50million youths to the Army. Nigerians thought it was banter

I hope the ones pushing for invasion here are not just Twitter or is it Xwitter fingers. When push comes to shove shey una ready to carry gun

GloriousGbola:
For the last one year we heard different people cursing Buhari for being a dictator masquerading as a Democrat. Now the same people are celebrating military rule.

Lekki massacre, banning twitter are child's play in a military dictatorship. And as shaytun has pointed out, all those so called celebrations mean nothing. Those are just psy ops to give the regime a false veneer of legitimacy. Have we not lived through this and more as Nigerians? Did we not see youth earnestly asking for abacha? Do we not see rented crowds for every political persuasion?

Nobody is celebrating military rule. You people should stop being deliberately dishonest. We said don't drag the country into war with Niger

Guinea and Mali are countries that have roadmap to civil rule. What is it about Niger that's so urgent and pressing to the point you want to invade them within 2 weeks.

Why are you adamant on starting war that you cannot predict the outcome

Shaytun:
4. Our interest is stability, which you can never have if the coup is allowed to stand.

You think if Nigerian hadn’t reacted, other countries wouldn’t?

You believe Nigeria should have taken a passive approach and let other countries dictate what happens in our backyard.

We are still reeling from the impact of Libya situation because we adopted a passive approach decades later.

Wetin consign us with Libya? Are we part of Arab League? I don't understand what you mean by passive approach. You're invading another man's land talmbout passive approach.

Niger had change in rule, they didn't say you should invade their country. They have not done anything that gives you right to invade and violate their territorial integrity and any negative backlash we get from this will be 100% deserved

Shaytun:
Some people really need psychological evaluation.

How you will hate your own country, and look for ways to undermine it just because of your hate for Tinubu boggles the mind.

How does someone not supporting military invasion in a sovereign country that has not invaded anybody signify hate for Tinubu

On the contrary your blind support for Tinubu is what we should be questioning here. Wars are expensive and the implications involve loss of lives. This is the 4th coup in quick succession. What is so special about this one that requires immediate intervention.

Is this Daniel Levy not crazy like this?

Harry Kane should go on hunger strike or something. Shey suffer no dey tire am

BlueRayDick:
You are spot-on in respect of the bold. i don't recall seeing Alhaji Monerozi's post condemning those burning Davido's posters in trhe north.

Perhaps his data finished that time and he wasn't online.

Lol. Good luck with that

And that's the thing. Are they scared of the backlash from their people by defending Davido which will prove the point or are they in silent agreement with the posters being burnt it's hard to tell.

And for the record I'm perfectly fine with them boycotting Davido. That's 100% their right na the violence be my own problem. Anything you can't defend without violence you have to reexamine who you are and what you're fighting for

Emaprince:
That stone landed on our own soil like this o. Lol.

The guy was talking to Nigeria directly..since na naija dey champion the Ecowas invasion of Niger.

Fraudulent declaration of election results....hits hard

Na open secret. E sure me other West African countries dey look us with bombastic side eye.

Amigoss:
Moral conflict📌📌

Eishhh. George Weah said I wan trowey stone and anybody wey e reach na him know