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BlueRayDick:
Àwọn ògbójú ọdẹ nínú igbo irúnmọlẹ̀

Lol. Our resident Rambos go dey vex like this.

Country wey never chop belleful. Still dealing with internal terrorism and flat broke is talking about invading another country.
Why not set your house in order and fortify first instead of chasing shadows. Only people that have not lived in war torn settings will be licking their chops over a senseless invasion that will almost certainly generate to war if Russia is 'backing' them like is claimed.

You have carried half of the country and given China anyway so I don't even understand the Russia argument. Shey Russia will be ruling Nigeria indirectly from Moscow abi wetin. This awadacious propaganda una dey peddle to justify this rubbish invasion sha

I see person use Churchill/Chamberlain example. Well Churchill was not going around invading places. Even Generalismos of yore like Stalin knew when to play nice with Hitler. Knowing the material he had on ground
Clearly Agbadoman thinks it's Oluomo agbero business going on here. He should be thankful the Senate saved him from himself

Shey you warmongers will form your own Wagner Group and go and invade Niger since the Senate have said no

Let Tinubu stop looking for external distractions to validate his dodgy mandate. Face your work squarely and leave Nigeriens to solve their family problems.

O na na na na. This season go too sweet. Banter every weekend

monerozi5590:
. You forgot the invasion of Finland by Russia. The winter war. Despite the Russia having more numbers, they suffered more casualties. Though Russia still collect part of their land at the end of everything but Russia collect.

Sometimes is not about having more numbers, they are certain conditions that might make you lose.

When you hear someone talking about number of soldiers for war you just know they don't know what they are talking about. So long as Niger is actually united people will be in for a shocker. A country defending their homeland usually fight extra that's why you're always surprised that smaller countries somehow manage to hold their own against the bigger ones. There's usually extra incentive. Unless Niger have no backing at all, if they do then make everybody wear seatbelts cos this ride will be bumpy

BlueRayDick:
People who were in government during the past ECOWAS military interventions have come out to say Nigeria footed majority of those bills. Data available suggests most of the ECOWAS member countries are poor and do not have the financial muscle Nigeria posses ( which suggests we will still foot most of the bills d'or this planned military action.) This financial argument is just dead on arrival. It's not a smart argument in face of current economic realities

Aside Foreign help ECOWAS bill is coming primarily from Nigeria pocket. Don't waste your time arguing with anyone who thinks otherwise

No be say season go start now we go begin hear kanipe AD was healthy kanipe he was a 100%

Lol US sent total of 2million troops to Vietnam. With average of 200 to 400k at any point in time. 70k American soldiers were sent back in body bags.

Just short history lesson for the warmongers that think it's by numbers

For those that think there can't be backlash on our own soil I hope you know Ukraine has been sending drone attacks to Russia.

Kilishihunter:
The werey reject am?

That hostage taker. Make e release that man abeg

He wants him to die without trophy

Putin said same thing. Special Military Operation in Ukraine. 1 year and 6 months later. He's still losing men and machinery

Bush said same thing. We saw what Iraq turned to

Entering any country under whatever guise is invasion. Doesn't matter the flowery language you call it.

Be ready for the fallout and refugees that are the standard outcome

Emaprince:


This describes that guy perfectly.

Some one whose brain have been occupied by corn...he believes any one that criticizes the war is against Tinubu.

In his dream all he sees are enemies of Tinubu.

Criticizing the governments foolish decisions and corruption means hating the country to them.

Emergency lovers if Nigeria.

It's difficult to think for yourself when you're a bot.

We keep drumming in their ears that wars are easy to start but hard to finish but they refuse to listen. We have our own internal wahala in different parts of the country both militarily and economically. Even Americans with all their resources are cursing Biden everyday for their billions and billions that keep going to Ukraine over a bottomless pit war. Now talkless of Nigeria

You're overseeing a country going through it's roughest economic stretch and within two weeks you want to invade another place because of a coup??

iamoyindamola:
They are the real lovers of naija, hiding in their room to type trash

Craze people. They're not from Niger, they're not even based in the North.

It's always sweet to push for invasion when you have nothing at stake and it's not your community that will suffer the aftermath.

monerozi5590:
I don't even understand you. You blame the increase in security in Northern Nigeria (Boko Haram) due to military intervention in Libya.

Now you are wanting military intervention in Niger!

You d make me laugh

When confusion don break their thinking bone this is the outcome.

With your own hand you agreed that what happened in Libya led to insecurity but somehow this one will be different.

Talmbout we were passive, shey Libya na part of ECOWAS? We should have invaded them before NATO and Obama did or wetin

If they wanted Gaddafi dead is it Nigeria that would have stopped it

Blud said we cannot afford to be passive and let NATO and Obama interest interest prevail over our own. Alawada

kad199:
https://www.nairaland.com/7791329/northern-nigeria-senators-caucus-reject#124887250

If it goes South na them go suffer am. They are the ones that will face the influx of refugees not Agbado warmongers with no skin in the game. Some are in Lagos, some outside Nigeria so the prospect of war does not concern them. These people are but dots to them, whether lives and properties are lost e no consign them and they don't believe they will face any consequences and repercussions. If they did they wouldn't be this hasty

GloriousGbola:
with 100s of different country flags, you have the protesters choosing ONLY russian flags - and you think it is a coincidence .

Causation != Correlation

A lot of people are sick of the West and what they have represented to them thus far. Again tying this coup to Russia is just lazy.

Pro Russia crowd does not literally mean Russia planned the coup

GloriousGbola:
when oil was a major FX earner, Nigeria was no 11 in the world. so by your analogy, no one should have bothered investing in Nigerias reserves. america has over 44 billion barrels of oil reserves but they still bought oil from everyone. You have also missed it. China is the manufacturing hub - not Russia. China is the country that needs lithium. are you sure you have thought this argument out? ironically, Mali is no 10 in lithium reserves and thier junta is wagner backed.

You're reaching here. I'm saying if they didn't topple governments with far more lithium than us then they have no reason to topple Nigeria.

Zimbabwe has lithium why is Russia not causing chaos there?

It takes two to tango. The Malian forces tired of French influence and calling on Russia for backup. Let's stop pretending these countries are not sick of Western influence already.

Besides the West have looted more from Africa than Russia ever has so what are we even talking about here?

Is it better for Niger that France get lithium at $218 and Niger's cut is as little as $11. Is that not enough reason to kick France out of their land?

GloriousGbola:
it is called playing both sides. during the cold war, Nigeria still did business with russia, even though the country was clearly aligned with the west.

I will remind you that ESN attacked an American convoy. It is unlikely the convoy was unmarked or capable of being mistaken for a Nigerian convoy. At the time it looked like a case of mistaken identity by some trigger happy gunmen. With everything happening now, I'm not so sure.

You are removing responsibility from these people and putting it on Russia. Why? You start wars on your own and come to me for weapons. How am I the bad guy?

You're married to this conspiracy theory in your head. I don't think I can divorce you from it at this point

GloriousGbola:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/28/russias-wagner-boss-appears-to-hail-niger-coup-tout-services

i am sure aljazeera is also western propaganda



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/19/prigozhin-in-video-tells-wagner-troops-to-prepare-for-africa?traffic_source=KeepReading



https://time.com/6300145/wagner-group-niger-future/

Duh. This is typically how wars work and this why we ask you to avoid them. When you invade another country don't think other countries might not jump in to help them fight. Especially when they see your war against them is an unjust one. The Goat Michael Jordan said it best, "I'll fight with you, just fight"

Cheering a coup != Complicit

GloriousGbola:
just two months ago, we were evacuating our people from a country overrun by wagner backed militia.

the citizens in niger are waving RUSSIAN flags. maybe it is a fashion statement . maybe they just happened to be storing russian flags for this occasion. i am sure the default action when celebrating a coup is to start waving the flag of another country

What flag do you want them to wave? France? USA? What is special about flag? I thought we agreed they are hired protesters so what would it cost a few people sympathetic to Russia to pick a few flags. That proves nothing

GloriousGbola:
nigeria has lithium. i don't know how many times i have to say this before it sinks in. as the west moves towards deadlines for phasing out ICE cars, lithium will be the oil of the future.

three countries linked border to border , (with one bordering Niger ) have had successful wagner sponsored coups but you cannot see a connection?

Top 10 countries with Lithum in the world Nigeria no dey there. If it's by Lithium Wagner should be in Chile, Bolivia turning things upside down. Their paddy China is also there to give them all the lithium they can handle. You're just making up conspiracy theories here like Q-Anon and co

All coups with 3 completely different circumstances. Abi na the Russia summit you dey use make your inference? I hope you know your VP was also there. You know what that meins 🤷‍♂️

GloriousGbola:
why would you be surprised if russia is providing support for ESN? that is the way these things go. the ANC run SA is aligned with russia because the west did nothing about apartheid during the cold war because of political expediency. the west did not support biafra then, and will not support them now. maybe you do not realize it, but for all intents and purposes, we are back to cold war 2.0. West vs China/Russia/Saudi/Iran.

Where is your evidence? You can't keep making wild accusations and not back them up.

Russia will sell you weapons if you give them money. That one has always been their M.O since Biafra war days. That is pure business and has nothing to do with alignment.

Western countries like US and France literally have bases in these countries and you don't believe they're influences it's weapon seller you're holding responsible

Android17:

I no be Russiophile sef but it is getting ridiculous ngl

Amigoss:
See what Senegalese incumbent president is doing to an opposition because he is the youths favourite and going as far as putting him in jail preventing him from participating in next year's election, disbanding the party and banning social media,no words from ECOWAS about that yet...

When and if the military steps in with a coup cos of the endless violence,dem go say na Russia/Wagner sponsor am

I just tire mehn. Propaganda is a really powerful thing.

They will tell us how Wagner have been operating since the time of Abdou Diouf and Abdoulaye Wade and them see Putin for France them no greet am

ECOWAS are just being used as tools. Na them know

raumdeuter:
People have their own version of democracy

Russia Putin 20yrs plus
Germany Angela Merkel 18yrs
Mubarak, Ghadafi Saddam also all spent over 30yrs each

Even in Europe

https://www.intellinews.com/emerging-europe-s-longest-lasting-leaders-280271/

Russia and Germany are not running democracy

Mubarak, Gadaffi and Sadam were not running democracy either.

That is my point. These people should stop pretending they are fighting for any yeye democracy. What we can call what is happening in most west African countries is civilian rule that's all

Let's just be honest in all we are doing

Amigoss:
Russia already sponsoring ESN ,Simon Ekpa is hiding somewhere in Kremlin too na

Eyan DJ Yk

DJ YK Emule. Gbemidebe

BlueRayDick:
The country will obviously engulf into civil war that was last years.

I don't even understand all these talks about democracy at all cost. Paul Biya is a 90 year old man that has been the president of cameroun before my parents even met. Yet he has the backing of France and America to continue to rule evwn when he's almost wearing diapers.

Is that the kind of democracy tey practise in France and America? Do they have a situation where the president persecutes member of the opposition and silence dissenting voices? The hypocrisy is just stinking to high heavens.

We like peak fooling in West Africa. Practicing civil rule and calling it democracy

We all saw what happened in Senegal and how they shut down the internet

Ouattara for CIV President since 2010 turning constitution like amala

Biya 40 years president (Cameroon no be ECOWAS member to be fair)

Eyadema Papa rule 37 years, pikin don do 18

Chad - Idris Deby do 30 years e die pikin enter

What they want is a nominal 'democracy' people can turn constitution like amala and papa can hand over to pikin so long as them wear agbada

BlueRayDick:
They didn't just start sharing border with us today. They are having an internal dispute amongst themselves with the military sacking the democratic government (which is not the first in Africa and won't be the last)

Coups will always happen especially in the Francophone countries due to the French policy of assimilation which we've discussed extensively in the past.

We do not have the resources to be doing big brother Africa like we used to in the past. Times have changed.

Even if the military action is successful, there's no guarantee the country Niger will experience peace going forward. Something already shifted. They will most likely continue to have internal security challenges, things don't just go back to normal afterwards.

What else are we blaming Russia for is what I want to know

Ambazonia in Cameroon

Civil war in Chad

Niger coup.

Mali and Burkina Faso coup

Even herdsmen attacking farmers for middle belt na Wagner cause am

GloriousGbola:
This is where we are. Whether we want to be involved or not, we share a large border with this country. By now it should be obvious the coup is sponsored by Russia's wagner. The coup ultimately is about resources. We also have resources that wagner would love to get their hands on. It did not end with Mali, it did not end with Sudan. It will not end with Niger.

This is also how it started with Germany in ww2. One country at a time.

Whether we want to be involved or not we are involved. It is now a question of whether we want to be on top of the situation or if we want the situation to be on top of us.

Understand that wagner/Russia WILL NOT STOP. Especially as we have lithium and gold in the North. Gold that China is already stealing supported by bandits.

There is a new alignment Russia, China, Saudi, iran. All very strange bedfellows. But all capable of sponsoring more strife in Nigeria towards their own ends. Saudi and northern salafists, iran and the shiites, China and the bandits. For all we know Russia is already sponsoring esn. (they did attack a us convoy)

So we are already in it. Maybe not neck deep, but up to the knees.

We are Nigerians and we should understand this. When /if robbers start operating in your area, you are involved whether you want to be or not.

For all we know, just as America already knew that Russia would invade Ukraine, they already knew about the Russian backed coup and have already briefed Tinubu.

Them don cook better propaganda sell give una. Niger that has been an unstable zone for years. When Wagner begin operate? Is it Wagner that have been running wild in Chad all this time?

Is it Wagner that scattered Libya?

This is akin to when Bush claimed there was weapon of mass destruction in Iraq and tore the country upside down and didn't see any.

What are the resources Nigeria get compared to Russia

No take laugh kill me abeg. Russia might not be involved before but they will be now since we have chosen to not mind our business.

We literally had territory of the country that wasn't under Nigerian rule a while ago and you're talking of Wagner and Russia. Na wa oh. Shey na Wagner say make you no fit enter Potiskum or comot once 4pm knack

We don't even know for certain who backed this coup but una don begin blame Russia again without proof. So tey you dey tie Russia to ESN. Ma pa mi nau

Segedinho:
The funny part is even d displaced president love is in danger once d invasion is activated..

Toh. If them kpai am what next?

CrystalTiger:
Military intervention dey draw from your mouth like ogbono yet you never leave nairaland go barracks go submit your name as volunteer 😠..

Normal Twitter fingers behavior

Shebi you will first even secure your own country. After all charity begins at home

Segedinho:
The funny part is even d displaced president love is in danger once d invasion is activated..

These people don't think that's the problem. What military invasion and 'intervention' do they know has not had costly consequences and repercussions

Russia v Ukraine
USA v Iraq
USA v Afghanistan
USA v Vietnam
Soviet v Afghanistan

Even the so called bigger country rarely leaves without a black eye.

If these coupists are not cowards and have balls you're talking of probably having to rebuild (not much to scatter anyway) but still wars. I have been looking up wars randomly and entirely by coincidence of late. These things are so unnecessary and the damage so irreversible I can't understand for the life of me how people who likely won't be affected are the ones so aggressively pushing for it. It is wicked

Segedinho:
That is the reason we must cut ties with them...lock border and sanction them in all capacity..



War is another finance draining exercise itself...we are assumed to be too poor and will definitely add this to our drainy list

They think we are anti War because we don't like their Agbado shigidi and it's really annoying.

What if it was a bloody coup. The entire region would have entered full blown war

Balogunodua:
Niger is a matter of national security...we can't allow a country run by a military govt at our doorsteps.

If allowed, it is just a matter of time before warlord starts springing up from around its region creating more mess for us over here.

You people are too funny walahi

You have Boko Haram inside your doormot your talmbout national security. This cannot be a real post

What was Idris Deby fighting in Chad till he died. The ship for warlords not springing up in West Africa has sailed. Have you people been sleeping?

Balogunodua:
The bold is a joke right

Another Agbado warmonger? You think you have been fighting terrorists without help from Niger and Chad abi?

Shaytun:
Except your statements are full of contradictions.

There’s a reason I gave you that article to read, I can’t be debating with you, when the point you are making either doesn’t make any sense or contradict each other

Contradiction where? You're a muppet

I know what you are. An Agbado warmonger with no actual skin in the game.

I have no interest in your useless article

Shaytun:
It will be better for everyone if you read up on the coup and everything about it.

Stop giving gba Takes.

You don’t even know where you stand.

Read this, it will help you to atleast understand what is going on.

https://sahelblog./2023/08/03/thoughts-on-nigers-coup-at-the-domestic-level-proximate-triggers-structural-causes-and-some-ramifications/

Walahi you're a dolt!!

You want to fight the people that have been helping you crush the terrorism you have been battling with over a decade, instead of economic sanctions, you want to lead a struggling country into a potentially expensive battle.

What if they kill Bazoum. What happens next?

Shithouse! You don't think. You still believe we are against this war as a slight to BAT. Are you ret@rded or what? It's because we know starting chaos is easy ending it is the problem

A whole Putin entered broke Ukraine and over a year and a half is still stuck in a war of attrition. Is that what you want? What do you think happens if this 'intervention' is unsuccessful. Do you know how many Nigerien refugees will be at your door step. Heaven forbid they push us back and enter our country

But you don't care. Do you? You have no skin in the game.

Niger is already top 5 poorest countries on the planet. I no know which suffering them fit suffer wey wan pass this one already