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Roland17:
What Pat Beverley did on ESPN today crossed the line in my opinion and was just disrespectful and personal. Why ESPN allowed him to continue with what seemed like a tour throughout the day on their network is even more egregious.

You can criticize a player, your peer if you want but this was just too personal. I remember talking about players who play on the edge and need that edge but this didn’t seem like just basketball.

CP3 has his flaws in the game, but who doesn’t? What has Pat achieved in the NBA to criticize Paul to the extent he did today throughout the day on ESPN? It did not sit well with me.

Lmaoo. Stephen A and ESPN will do anything for ratings and eyeballs forget

A40:
Where is that chap chic2pimp that was hyping Ben Simmons and his Triple Single self. I don't know how anyone will watch Luka DONCIC play night in night out and type MVP anything beside Ben Simmons name.

If not for his above average defense he's just a tall MCW. I mean he's shooting below 60% from free throw range. Ewwww


Luka Doncic for MVP. It's like watching Kevin De Bruyne on the court. This kid is like 2 seconds ahead of everyone else. It's unreal

See this man preaching to me about Luka. When you join forum

Thanos:
Bird won't win anything in this era today. You cannot deny that my man's wins were propelled by Celtic being far and away the most dominant team in that era. Hence the award was populated by 'best player in the best team'. I am not going to shit on larry, but if you can't see that luka is on mount rushmore trajectory barring any injury. I dont't know how much I can say to convince you again...

Lmao. This is youthful exuberance you're showing here. Do you know who you're talking to?

Were you here in 2018 when I started hyping Luka? No be you go tell me him trajectory so pipedown

Celtics were a great team doesn't mean Bird wasn't the standout. He was a career 24-10-6. Put some respect on his name. Plus they were facing great teams like the Sixers, Bucks and Pistons in that era and had to go head to head with the Lakers.

And as for Bird won't win anything in this era I just laugh. Era with Nikola Jokic winning back to back MVP abi which era? Dkm please

Of course Luka can by all means surpass Bird. But he still has a long road to go.

Thanos:
Bird? Bird got nothing on luka. Stop the cap. Luka is miles ahead of Bird. My man's heading to LeBron and Jordans stratosphere. Stop the disrespect

Bird won 3 MVPs in a league with Zeke,Magic, Jordan. It's a legit comparison

Luka really Bird reincarnated. Whuttt

donlittle25:
and some people keep saying this nonsense is a high percentage shot. 2 average good midgrange shooter on that team and everything changes

Lol. They got 12pts from a possible 99

If you're not going to invest in shooters then you have to play a style that works for you.

Anyway the Heat have much better shooters than Milwaukee let's see how they hold up

Skrrrrrrr:
Lol. Why are the bucks shooting 3s when they are so poor at it though?
The 3 point shot has made some Teams really Stoopid, you shouldn't be shooting 3s like that if you aren't the warriors.

This is all I've been stressing. That teams and players play to their strengths. Obviously the Celtics have much better shooters but what is the point of taking 3s ad nauseam that you're going to miss just cause analytics says so

Bucks shot 4/33 from 3

Una don win jare. Save all the ref complaining for the Heat series.

Bucks have shot 4/24 from 3. Even by their standards this is abysmal

That bonehead play by Giannis at the half just might have cost the Bucks this series. When you see the nonsense Grayson Allen, Wesley Matthews are playing you wonder why didn't the Bucks just keep Tucker

Khanben:
Your assumption, does not hold with the statistics, you mention the Rockets lost a game with bad shooting form 3s and I can mention series that were lost with bad shooting nights from long 2s. The Lakers lose to the Pistons ,the 2 finals losses by the Nets. All these series were lost because the losing team shot a bad percentage from 2s.
Your problem is the same problem most people who don't understand statistics have, the fact is, what we assume as common sense and statistics don't always mesh.
There is a greater chance of a team shooting less than 50% from 2s (which constitutes a poor FG%) than a team shooting less than 35% from 3, and that is an irrefutable fact.
let me give you a table of what constitutes equitable percentages cause it seem you don't understand.
Most of the percentages given below I am rounding up to make it easier to understand.

10% from 3 = 15% from 2
20% from 3 = 30% from 2
25% from 3 = 37.5% from 2
27% from 3 = 40% from 2
30% from 3 = 45% from 2
34% from 3 = 50% from 2
40% from 3 = 60% from 2

Any sane person who understands basketball and how shooting can fluctuate on a night to night basis, know for a fact that it is easier achieve the percentages presented on the left that its corresponding percentage presented on the right

You're just chatting dust at this point. For starters the Nets played in a different era and were facing superior opponents. Pistons had guys like Rasheed and RIP Hamilton. Yet you're surprised the Lakers lost? Detroit had guys who were better at shooting the 2 so of course they would lose. You have no point

We're seeing how Milwaukee are shooting themselves out of this game rn

Tatum braah

Tatum is locked in. Giannis is feeding his teammates and luckily they are hitting shots so far

Joezinho:
Imagine an educated, royal doofus like Sanusi (whose grandfather was an emir of Kano before he got deposed)who had a degree in Economics from ABU and also earned a degree in Sharia and Islamic studies, at the International University of Africa, Sudan got involved in the beheading of Gideon in 1996..

If not for the timely intervention of former First Bank chairman, and father of Christmas Day bomber, Alhaji Umar Mutallab and others, the no-nonsense Abacha would have had him killed.

Muslims in the north have very high illiteracy populace, even the educated ones are semi illiterates too..

The lack of proper reasoning is common in the land, the result is this, killings in the name of a god..

This Sokoto incident has really been an eye opener. Plus literate plus illiterate it is very clear this is how a lot of them think in their closet. There is this proclivity to violence at the drop of a dime.

We saw how Jihadi John was beheading people with Britiko accent

Kloppo:
That pilot is dangote son-in-law and the son of an IGP under Jonathan....All of them from their elites like Emir Sanusi who spearheaded the killing of one Gideon in 1995 for blasphemy to the uneducated and almajiri on the streets all hold the same view...

You can imagine the problem on ground. Something will happen in France. Na Christians wey dey Kano or Sokoto go suffer am

My own is not that a lot of them are that way. It's their reaction when people express fear and the gaslighting that comes from the supposed educated ones. That is when we hear things like Islamophobia like say all these things wey dey happen no reach for people to fear.

How can any human being even attempt to defend or justify what we saw

afrodoc2:
The guy get enough time to carry out Stanford-Binet test for me but not enough time to answer simple kweshon wey I ask.

I am merely a truth-seeker. I like people who say things with their chest.

Like why the long salaye. Just say it with your chest let everyone know where you stand. Does he believe she deserved to die. Either by court or jungle justice.

Let's all know where everybody dey on this matter. Deborah today can be anybody tomorrow. Imagine kikiking with person wey fit burn you alive if e sup or hand you over to court

Amoto94:
You are way more intelligent than this silly joke you're attempting.

Bros just yarn us your mind. Nobody fit do you anything

What do you prescribe as appropriate punishment for the girl? Did she deserve death whether peaceful or violent. No need for lollygagging just come straight

50d33q:
These assholes can't even defend themselves against boko haram and bandits but they are all eager to defend prophet that didn't send them message.
They all attacked harmless girl and killed her, bunch of hypocrite cowards

You would think it was in the center of Sokoto market she carried a bullhorn to 'blaspheme' a message on a WhatsApp group chat. That is what led to her being killed in such animalistic and cowardly manner

Grown men in their hundreds were dancing with glee as they stoned a girl to death and burned her corpse. These are the people that you're supposed to be comfortable to be around abi?

Then the learned ones among them will cry Islamophobia yet barbaric things like this would happen and endless salaye is what would happen. Nobody with even the decency to submit that this was wrong and shouldn't have happened. Anyway no be today e start

donjazet:
I guess amoto had to eventually own up to his fundamental beliefs. It's unfortunate that you guys are just finding out he's propensity for being a terrorist apologetic.

Go through his profile and see the posts he has created. You get to see someone not much different from those who carry bombs into churches.

I've been trying to make him come clean about this because he was always evading the issue but it's nice he finally owned up to it.

He's unapologetic towards Islam's violent stance towards dissent. He unabashedly supports death for apostasy. That's death to those who wants to leave the religion. He supports honor killings. That's death to female family members who dishonor the religion. All these he has owned up to in his past posts. So don't be surprised you're just finding out.

My pain is that this guy appears to be more well read and researched than the average person, you will think he would be more enlightened, but for Muslims, it's as if the more educated you are, the higher the propensity for terrorism is. Such a weird cycle.

I'm actually more scared of the enlightened ones than the unenlightened ones that are that way. Anybody who can find any type of explanation for that girl's killing or suggesting they are tried is persona non grata.

They are dangerous people to be avoided at all costs. This just tells me you're the brains behind the operation while the angry mob are the muscle. One and the same

The biggest mistake you can make in this life is doubt a person when they show you who they are. You better believe them

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Amoto94 is saying he doesn't support the mob killing Deborah, but he supports that she should die for blasphemy

So, according to him, she should be caught by the mob and taken to the court, where she must be killed for blasphemy.

So the problem is not that she was killed. He only faults how she was killed. It's barbaric, disgusting and inhumane. Beheading her in a competent Sharia court is better

That's his point[/color]

So 6 and half a dozen. Smh

50d33q:
Why should you kill in the name of religion?
Why you a court accept killing for blasphemy?
In every holy books if you kill you should be killed why should a court release remorseful terrorists in to the society after they have killed to their satisfaction
This same Sharia court have immunity, if a leader commit any crime he's free but a common man is not

Its crazy. They were protesting the arrest of the guys that killed that girl. I thought protesting was Haram.

Where is this energy for the bandits and terrorists ravaging that region. The train that was attacked? All we see is rubbish hashtags like Secure The North yenyenyen

Everyone needs to look each other in the eyes and tell each other the truth. As it stands now there is no amount of money anyone can pay me to go and live in that part of the country. The disregard for human life is absurd and seeing people try to explain this animalistic behavior is pretty alarming

raumdeuter:
When ibime dey talk say he don comot hand for Naija matter you think say na joke

Do you know how many people high and low have that same sentiments? Some will voice it in public some won't say it public but believe it

This is what is scary about this whole thing. You will see even the educated professionals among them sharing similar sentiments. I saw a pilot quoting scripture on how it's backed by the holy books

You had some telling you she should have been tried. Like tried for what? These are the same people that will come out and cry about Islamophobia.

Even the supposedly moderate ones once you push them to corner peren the Wahabbism will jump out like a bat from hell. The intolerance is absurd

Incidents like this can't happen and you tell people to not be scared of your religion. That is gaslighting

afrodoc2:
Not only MJ. Bernard King was a quiet midrange killer. And very efficient too.

Your general premise on 3 vs 2 is right though as teams become more proficient at shooting and guarding 3s it opens up potential real estate for a midrange expert.

It really is about taking what the defense gives you and playing to your strengths. That's playoff basketball

It's like Dillon Brooks yesterday who was trying to outshoot Klay Thompson. Like who do you think you are

donlittle25:
That is not the point of the discussion, You said he is inefficient but stats don’t lie. Stop peddling false information man.

You lie abi you no lie?

Also of course he wished that, he is a great shooter and if he has shot more threes he would have made them at a higher percentage that even the players now but on a night when the three ball is not falling, you have another trick in the bag which is the midrange.

I don't know why I bother with him. When he was mentioning Trae Young with Tony Parker is when I should have known he was just trying to constitute nuisance on this page.

Being overly reliant on the 3 makes you highly susceptible to terrible playoff performances. On nights you can't hit you look like amateurs. Guys like Harden, Trae Young this year showed that. Donovan Mitchell too.

All one is saying is that it would be nice if these guys took more midrange shots as there is less likelihood of having ridiculously bad shooting nights that give you no shot

Roland17:
Now, while I think TNT have done a great job in the assemble of their playoffs studio analysts, especially with the addition of the GOAT (Wayne Gretzky) and absorbing Anson Carter and Liam Mchugh from NBCSN, I still miss the NBSCN group. The cast of Mike Milbury (Whose contract was terminated before the end of last season anyways), Jeremy Roenick (Was also fired in 2020), Pierre McGuire, Keith Jones and the beautiful Kathryn Tappen. As for ESPN? They are as horrible as their NBA pregame shows.

I hope it is not the last time we see P. Bergeron on the ice, otherwise, I wish him all the best if he decides to retire.

The Leafs are cursed at this point. Good to finally see McDavid win a series

This has the potential to be a landmark end of season. My Penguins look like they're about to blow a 3-1 lead. Might be the end of the road for guys like Bergeron, Malkin who knows maybe even Crosby.

birdman:
Nash is wrong on 2 fronts.

First, skill: The level of skill Steph is displaying is far above anything Nash had either on the Suns or with the Mavs. On both teams, Nash had offensive minded coaches in Dantoni and the crazy genius Don Nelson. The reason Nash didnt shoot more 3s is because of the cap on his skill level. Many of Nash's 3s were as a result of being open, not contested shots like Steph.

Secondly, style of play: There is nothing in Dantoni's Suns style of play that is worth emulating or that can produce one ring, let alone 3. In fact, the suns lost rings to the Lakers and Spurs because Dantoni could never make the in game adjustments required. The Spurs and Lakers constantly figured out how to clamp down on the hot shooting Suns.

The warriors style of play are more like the princeton offense popularized by Rick Adelman while with Kings, and also Rockets. Completely different beast even though it looks flashy like Dantonis's style. You will notice that just like Webber a big PF on the Kings touched the ball a lot, the bigs on the warriors are very involved in ball movement.

The main reason the Kings dont have a ring with Adelman was the infamous game where the refs decided Lakers must win. Was it game 6 WCF? Cant remember now. Man, I have goosebumps just remembering Peja and Bibby

People don't understand that Steph and Klay Thompson are an anomaly. Trying to outdo them at their area of strength is asinine. Nash and the Suns would have fallen short. Same way your Houston Rockets fell short trying to outshoot the Warriors. I mean they got as far as a team could possibly go but trying to be the bootleg version of a great team will only make you an also ran. They were the Chrysler 300 to Golden State's Phantom

James Harden for example spams 3's at almost the same clip as Steph but he's never going to get same results. Why? Cos he is 7% worse at it than Steph is on average.

Khanben:
So all of the great players you listed only Dirk shot a measly 47%, Dirk who is one of the greatest shooters of all time and also 7ft tall. So your logic is that coaches should encourage a shot that only the GOAT and a Unicorn could make at above 45% as a great strategy.
I was using 45% as an example to be generous, there is no way in hell any player alive will shoot 45% from midrange because even the OGs who made it a focus of their game did not shoot 45%.
On a bad shooting night the Bucks who are not the best 3 shot making team, shot 26% from 3, with 24 of those shots taken by role players and they still contributed 21pts.
On a bad shooting night the Suns who are the best midrange shooting team, the whole team went 10/33 and contributed 20 pts to a losing effort. They shot 4 more shots and made 3 more than the Bucks but still contributed less points.

I was talking overall career. Some of the others I listed were able to top 45% in separate singular seasons as well.

Again you can see here that there are players on this list still utilizing the mid range.

https://www.nba.com/news/derozan-durant-lead-top-10-mid-range-scorers

The Suns 10/33 from midrange was an extreme outlier. While the Bucks have been a consistently bad 3pt team in the postseason. Milwaukee's only edge comes from size and points in the paint whereas on average Phoenix is still going to score and average more points than Milwaukee so I don't see how your example holds here. Milwaukee's poor shooting is closer to the mean. Phoenix is not

Khanben:
DeRozan is the perfect study for what the midrange game is in this age of efficiency, in case you dont know DeRozan has a way better percentage than Kobe, AI and Tmac and at the same time he, just like them has been for most of his career the guy, who the other team defenses plan for, but you know what his career has amounted to in this age of efficiency, an afterthought.

DeRozan's downfall is running to Lebron. And his extreme aversion to shooting 3s in a 3 dominated era, Nothing more. We can see what an improved version of DeRozan. Kawhi Leonard was able to do with his midrange game.

Khanben:
PS : What you seem not to understand is that a team like the Bucks does not have any role player who is a great shooter. So in that instance the job of the coach is to draw up the easiest shots possible for them. So making them take midrange shots is way worse than them settling for the 3s because they will end up shooting a worse percentage comparatively from midrange.
The same thing goes for most of the league, and do you know what you see from teams who have great/good shooters as role players, they sometimes take the midrange eg, Herro, Huerter

Stop being ridiculous. We're in a copycat league. One team stumbles on a magic formula and every other team is out there trying to duplicate it to death whether they have the requisite skillset and personnel or not. We used to have stretch 4s and spot up guys that could get to their spot on the floor and had an almost automatic 10-15 footer.

There's no excuse for mediocre 3pt shooters to keep spamming 3s when they can work on a nice 12 footer and not shoot their teams out of games

Khanben:
Also as for Trae Young you really expect someone that short in this era of drop coverage to shoot well from midrange, the Celtics with Tatum and co shot 34% from 15ft in, whenever Giannis and Lopez were both on the floor for the first 3 games of their ongoing series. That is what defense in the league looks like now, there is no longer the 1v1 shut down parade that used to occur in the 90s and 2000s that led to the Jazz, Cavs and co leaving MJ 1v1 against average defenders for not only game winng shots but down the stretch of games.

So who's on Miami that is as big as Giannis and Lopez? How much taller is Chris Paul compared to Trae Young? You have no argument here trying to overhype this present era of defense. Tatum is facing a top 2 defense I can almost guarantee his numbers would be better against any other opponent in the playoffs

I told you Trae Young had no bag outside of spamming 3s and I was proven right while you keep flooding this thread with excuses. The irony is Trae Young actually shot a decent percentage from 10-16ft. The only problem? Less than 10% of his attempts came from that area of the floor.

He was so fixated on spamming 3s he did not even see his best % shooting was from 10-16. Hence he kept spamming shots from an area he was making it at a less than 20% clip not giving his team a fighting chance to win games. Cos you're basically saying it's better to keep attempting 55% of your shots from a place where you're only making it at an 18% clip just cos it's a 3. That's just ridiculous

Khanben:
Oga there is a shooting shots charts online that anybody can go check.
All the guys who were missing 3s today were wings, the Bucks bigs only shot 5 3s today, so don't put up a list of big men and talk of 3s.
Steve Nash, Tony Parker were both highly inefficient from midrange so stop with this Bobo that you are trying to sell.
I have repeatedly said it on this platform, the midrange pull up or jumper is the most difficult shot to take and make in the game, so to expect guys to take em when they are way easier shots to take is just ridiculous.
There is a reason all of the coaches in the NBA even those of the old school all accepted this 3 ball era and it was because they were shown irrefutable evidence that very few players are efficient from in the midrange game and it the job of every coach is to get your players as easy a shot as you can get them at any opportunity.

PS: Let me explain the maths again in case you did not understand, it is stupid to take 15ft at 45% when you can take 3s at 35%. Per hundred attempts the midrange gives 90pts, while per hundred attempts the 3 yields 105pts that is a whole 25pts difference.
Finally all the people you listed non of them shot 45% from the midrange, which just shows that my 45% example was way generous

I can see that you just enjoy pointless jejune arguments. Whether big whether small. I'm talking of the general dearth in guys that used to be able to knock it down from midrange.

Settling for the way 'easier' shots you cannot make is why a Houston Rockets team will miss 27 3s in a row in a must win game and shoot themselves out of a chance to get to the Finals. It's also why the Suns never made the Finals and even the Warriors had to get a midrange killer to vanquish Lebron and the Cavs

Stop telling me what I already know about the era of basketball we are in. My point was if you're a team with a glaring 3pt shooting weakness do you keep fighting with an arm tied behind your back or have some form of counter. Which is the midrange game if you have a reliable one.

Again you're going out of your way to misunderstand yourself. I didn't say every shot should be a midrange shot. Your analogy is actually useless as Milwaukee shot less than 26% from 3. So your 35% from 3 analogy does not apply. If you're a traditionally poor shooting team like Milwaukee do you fold and keep spamming 3s or play to your other strengths.

Having players that can knock down 45% from midrange is better than a Trae Young that can go 16% from 3 in a series while taking 8 3s per game

What do you mean nobody on my list was shooting 45% from midrange. Prime Dirk was making 60% from that area some postseasons. He averaged 47% his entire career

Skrrrrrrr:
Brooks is also knocking down the shots. He has 30points. He leads all scorers...

This is why Boxscore watching is not good. Anyone watching this game can see that this is the worst 30pt game you would ever see from a player. He is hurting his team in so many other ways that is rendering his 30pts moot

Skrrrrrrr:
They are even supposed to be leading by now.
The warriors have like 16 turnovers, and the Grizzlies were not able to capitalize.
Warriors are only up by one heading into the Fourth. If the Grizzlies win this game, they are taking the series.

Their shot selection is killing them too. Brooks is taking all the shots Bane is supposed to take

Grizzlies just aren't going away

Can see what a Jimmy Butler is also doing with the Heat with his midrange game. That's why he rarely pulls a Trae Young or James Harden despite perhaps not being as 'skilled' as they are