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WeissVonner:
What do you constitute as enough credit? They're being hailed as a dynamic duo, what more do you want? did you want him to get finals MVP? LOL

Keep clinging to that Dallas series. Like I said, the fate of your goat is inevitable, death by a thousand cuts.

Dynamic duo? Are you seeing the tweets and the comments? Nobody is talking about AD. As far as the narrative goes he's a passenger. Though he brought it on himself by not dominating like he should have in these Finals

I don't need to cling. It literally happened, my GOAT, the GOAT never got outscored by two of his teammates in a Finals series, he never scored in single digits. The only time my GOAT ever lost it was because he had insufficient help.

Roland17:
Jerry Jones is a business man to the core, you can see the way he micromanages his team and how he expects his team to respond to social justice issues. Jerry and his camp are the winners in this situation, don't let them decieve you with their sympathy. Cam was already established but Dak made a big error by not taking the offer, I mean it was not like it was an insulting offer for a player of his caliber. The self life of NFL players is getting shorter by the season, he should know better!

Dak was very naïve to keep on playing without taking a
long deal of some sort. Even Leveon Bell sat out a year because he knew if he played the chances of him getting hurt are very high, we saw the same with Earl Thomas

If Andy Dalton plays well enough to lead the Cowboys into the playoffs why should Jerry Jones bother giving Dak what he wants? Any sympathy they do now would just be for optics. It will not even be a smart business move to then pay a guy coming off a gruesome injury like that

WeissVonner:
LOL AD has gotten a lot of credit, stop trying to cause mischief. Nobody in the history of basketball will be the best player on a team with LeBron James. Alpha or not, AD is a champion.

Very soon he along with Giannis will be carrying LeBron to four more championships. You'll be crying for a very long time A40.

Not nearly enough. Especially for his defensive work.

The real GOAT would have led the Heat past Dallas and not allowed himself get outplayed by Dwyane Wade. MJ never folded in any playoff series. He would be the best player in every team including a team with LeNomad on it

By now it's very clear what LeNomad's legacy is. Team up with his draft mates in his early years (Wade, Bosh) leave to team up with younger players (Kyrie,Love) and a motley crew of role players, then team up with even younger players in his latter years (AD) this man is literally a basketball Touareg extending his championship window in the most cunning and smart way possible (I give him that)

Roland17:
Don't mind them..We know what happened when he tried to do with last year..Opelope AD joined them..They want us to forget he stacked his Heat and Lakers team but will hold a grudge with the slimreaper for winning a title with the Warriors. I never get their time. Let them enjoy their ring for a bit..

AD and Rondo got a ring and that matters to me..

Lmaooooooo. Let them allow us rest with their Disney ring

Nobody is even talking about AD and his 25pts and 10 rebounds contribution. If he likes let him not acquire that alpha mentality. It would be on his CV that he was carried. At least with KD we know he was the best player on the team and when he got hurt they couldn't beat Toronto

Roland17:
The NFL is a brutal league and yes he was offered $35M but his camp kept pushing for more because according to them he deserved more and now he is with nothing. A lot will depend on how he recovers. This season is already gone, so we talking about 2021 or even 2022 season and by then he will be 28/29 years old..make what you want out of that but it doesn't look promising. It will be interesting to see what Jerry Jones does and how Andy Dalton performs while Dak is out. I wish he took the money, his future would have been secured. The shelf life of NFL players is getting shorter.

I can understand his grouse. The Cowboys are partly to blame because they could have extended Dak when the likes of Wentz, Goff got extended I'm sure that is also what played on his mind. Considering their rookie deals were way higher than his

Dak on his part overplayed his hands as well. I heard he's making a boatload of money off the field just by virtue of being a QB of 'America's team' he should have put that into consideration and taken a little less to secure his future. He bet on himself last year but assuming he was going to succeed at that strategy two years in a row was a very unnecessary risk.

I hope he doesn't get treated like Cam who struggled to get a team. If Andy Dalton goes on to make the playoffs, which he can in that weak ass division what incentive does Jerry Jones have to not let him walk and bolster that rubbish defense they have

DeeMain:
A40 and his Houdini acts

A40 please appear, we are going to take it easy on you

Afromentalist:
A40, God has a message for you about Lebron

You lot are really dancing in my mentions because LeNomad and his stacked team beat an undermanned Heat team with players that literally were playing in college in 2018.

FBS:
You have not pointed to any facts.
But below is an interesting fact for you.
Schumi 91 wins, LH 91 wins.
Argue with your keyboard bro.

When you have the fastest car for the last 7 years. He should have broken it sooner sef

Roland17:
Thoughts and prayers are with D. Prescot.. What a devastating injury.. Worse off, he is without a contract after this season!!!

Really sucks. I heard they offered him $35m but he was pushing for $40m if true I don't think he played his cards well because he's not a $40m QB but I hope it all works out good for him in the end. He's a high character player that gives everything on the field

DeeMain:
Smh. Just speechless.

Did you catch her using steroids mate? Show some respect to the dead please

Amoto94:
You are wrong to assume that it was a one-sided protests and demonstrations as the calls were made across the divide, an aide to Gov. Ganduje has allegedly been relieved of his duty by his boss for his unsavoury remarks against the President, also the likes of Gimba Kakanda, Kadaria Ahmed, Bello el-Rufai, Ahmed Musa, Shehu Sanni, Bulama Bukarti, among others joined in the online protests.
I personally don't subscribe to the idea of protests and demonstrations but others joined in the protests

One of the most vocal fighters was Aisha Yesufu as well. A Northerner. We need to unite and keep finding common ground. Southerners or Northerners the majority are suffering and Nigeria is not working for them.

WeissVonner:
Steph played with a knee injury? first i'm hearing of it. And do you not blame LeBron for losing without both Kyrie and Love in 2015? That was a hobbled reflection of the Lakers and you know it. Credit to him, that was still the best team he beat.

He had a sprained MCL do your research. Anyway don't worry about who I blame or who I don't blame, all I know is once you hit the court you're good enough to play.

If you can play 41 minutes per game in 4 of 5 games then you're clearly not hobbled enough.

Hobbled is the Miami Heat right now vs LeNomad

WeissVonner:
I think its worth pointing out that that Spurs team was coached by arguably the greatest coach of all time.

Unless Popovich has started playing basketball. Immaterial

WeissVonner:
At least he had a competent front office that showed some promise.

Good, I have never blamed any player for going to another team to compete against another established team.

What would you have had the Cavs realistically do? Who were the marquee free agents running to Cleveland?

Who you choose to blame or commend on whatever grounds is not my business really

WeissVonner:
Be honest, what would you have said if LeBron had joined the Celtics in 2010 after immediately losing to them?

I would have asked where did they get the cap space

WeissVonner:
Its not just Bron fans, everyone with a iota of sense can see how insipid KDs move was. Is anyone blaming him for creating a formidable team with Kyrie now? There are moves borne out of trying to compete, KDs move was just a proverbial cant beat them join them kind of move. Thats the epitome of weakness.

That is borne out of hypocrisy and double standards. My shit stinks less than yours mentality. Where was this energy for Ray Allen when he joined a team that already had Bron, Bosh and Wade? Why was there no outrage from you lot? How is it competing if you add him to an already stacked team.

So trying to add Kawhi to a team already with AD and LeNomad is "trying to compete" yeye dey smell

WeissVonner:
I'm happy for KD, One ring with the Nets will be more valuable than those two with the Warriors. Now we'll see what he's really made of.

Without Kawhi, as far back as January when you lot were still high on the Clippers, Bron came out and said he felt the Lakers had enough to win a championship. Kawhi is a luxury.

It's a no-brainer a ring with the Nets would enhance KD's legacy. I don't think any objective person was including LeNomad in the GOAT discussion till he won in Cleveland

WeissVonner:
Thats neither here no there. Has nothing to do with how top heavy the 90s was.


And both teams would arguably beat any team Jordan faced in the finals. If they are such horrible one seeds, how did they make the finals?

How are this year's Cavs, Knicks, Timberwolves any better than the bottom feeders of that era?

Isaiah Thomas Celtics and a rubbish Pistons team without Ben Wallace would beat Kevin Johnson and Barkley? Payton, Malone and the Lakers? What a joke

Your guy literally beat two .500 teams to get to a conference finals. The first decent team he faced he started shooting 38% from the field while averaging 6 turnovers per game

WeissVonner:
Posting one or two videos of Jordan facing zone doesn't change the fact that for the most part of the era he played in it was difficult for teams to pull it off consistently because it would be deemed illegal.

The argument was never about MJ guarding Magic but rather the fact that Magic torched him which you can't deny. It was also about proving how Pippen alleviated some of those duties which i proved.

There are several clips showing that MJ faced zone. We have coaches like George Karl literally admitting they played zone on MJ. Try another line. Zone is an overrated defense anyway

There you go lying again. You claimed MJ only focused on scoring and outsourced defending to Pippen only guarding little guys, then you claimed Magic torched Pippen, torching would imply he was shooting astronomically better than his average. Lo and behold the game you were referring to he literally took 5 shots

Then you claimed Phil Jackson switching Pippen made the difference but lo and behold in the pivotal Game 3 where Scottie fouled out early who guarded Magic? That would be MJ. Then you went ahead to contradict yourself by posting stats that literally showed MJ guarding Magic for 60% of his possessions which is unheard of for the #1 offensive option to do guarding the opposition's best player majority of the time

Unlimited22:
Yes. But this is a necessary first step. It means that we have a voice.

No radio station or TV station in Nigeria reported this thing, yet the whole world heard it. Guess who controls the media in Nigeria.

Imagine if they'd passed the social media bill.

This is just step 1. Police brutality is a culture but SARS enamores it to extremely excruciating levels. They need to go first

I don't know why people are deliberately not understanding this.

WeissVonner:
Next time I'm arguing about the WNBA GOAT I'll be sure to bring that up.

What does having a high vertical have to do with a sport where being able to jump gives you a supreme advantage? LOL Most of the players with a 40" vertical were all stars in the 90s, we have bench players with 40'' verticals now. I think the improved athleticism of NBA players is something even former players have noted.

Tim Duncan, Ginobili, Tony Parker were players that could barely jump over a kerb, we saw Jokic dismantling teams with zero leaping abilities

What does verticals have to do with fundamentals, footwork and ball handling and basketball IQ. If verticals was what it took then Aaron Gordon should be the best player in the league

WeissVonner:
He got injured in the WCF and ultimately had to sit out the close out game, Worthy being injured is always going to be a footnote.

Like I said, depending on how you want to define it, a case can be made for all those guys being the greatest scorer of all time.

Once you suit up and take the court you're healthy. That is my mantra. No excuses. No stories. Because you lot did not keep the same energy when Steph played with a knee injury the entire postseason of 2016. There is no footnote. MJ wiped them and James Worthy played in 3 of the 4 losses featuring in at least 31 minutes

WeissVonner:
And their coach, isn't a Hall of famer?

He's on the court?

WeissVonner:
He had a front office led by arguably the worst owner in basketball. The best player he played with in Cleveland was Mo Williams, an accidental all-star. If he had never left, he'd probably end up ringless. Regardless of how it played out, it was monumental for his legacy and in hindsight was inarguably the right move.

Whose fault is it that free agents were not falling over themselves to play in Cleveland? Dan Gilbert wheeled and dealed to get as much talent as he could bring to Cleveland. MJ met a team that was labeled the traveling cocaine circus and made the best out of it

I don't blame LeNomad for leaving. I'm indifferent. But it's hypocrisy of the highest order to police people's rights to do likewise

WeissVonner:
And in those two seasons Ray Allen was a spot up shooter no better than Kyle Korver. Bringing him up is akin to bringing up Gary Payton and Karl Malone on the Lakers.

Still a HOFer and saved the Heat's season. He actually averaged double figures in that series and your guy needed every point

WeissVonner:
I said create a competitive team to go at established teams not join established teams.

Hear me, hear me now, I will never respect what KD did in 2016. That was by far the biggest b-tch move in NBA history and no matter how muddied the waters posterity will judge him for that, history will always remember that. Its one thing to play the system, its another thing to cheat the system. We've had this conversation a million times, what LeBron did and what KD did are vastly different.

That is your personal problem. So long as Golden State actively recruited him then he has the right to join his best option for a ring after spending 9 years in Oklahoma. LeNomad ran away after 7 to join two other players in the middle of their basketball prime

We've had the conversation before and I say to you again who are you LeNomad fans to judge what KD did as worse? Both took shortcut to rings. Simple as that.

There are numerous players that never cheated the system. The likes of Dirk, Malone, Miller, Olajuwon never gained the system till they won rings and the others were not so lucky. So if LeBron did who are you to question KD's right to go one step further?

WeissVonner:
LeBron went back to Cleveland to end a drought bring a Championship to his hometown/franchise and fulfill his promise. Then he went to LA for business purposes and to cement his legacy. He embraced the pressure of wearing purple and gold knowing he will be a failure without a championship. He went there knowing how much he must do to win the fan base over, he's about to deliver.

Good for him. KD has gone to Brooklyn to do similar. We shall see how it turns out.

Running to LA in hopes of getting 2 of the best 7 players in the league is hardly a difficult task. A lot of player's legacies would be different if they bunny hopped round the league joining up with the best talent as frequently as LeNomad did. His career is like 2K

WeissVonner:
60 wins in the 90s and 60 wins now are vastly different, listen to what your man Rodman had to say and hes 100% right:

"This league is so filtered and watered down, we can beat anybody with our eyes closed, pretty much" [a look back on the NBAs late 90s 'expansion era''

I also picked up a few other quotes for you:

Charles Barkley and Larry Bird have expressed comparable sentiments about the way the league has thinned out; Bird even used the Jazz as an example, and people in the Jazz camp have a hard time disagreeing.

"You look at the overall picture, it is diluted to some extent," said Jazz coach Jerry Sloan, whose team is in Los Angeles preparing to meet the Lakers on Friday night. "You can get by with three great players on a team, and have a chance to win it all. Before, you had to have four or five great players, and some good players around them."

Yet Jerry Sloan did not win a ring, Barkley didn't either

LeNomad got to the Finals facing two of the worst #1 seeds in league history.

In MJ's first 3peat there were literally no sub 20 win teams so there wasn't a single team being used to pad stats unlike now that we have teams openly tanking.

WeissVonner:
What Boone worries about is talk of even more expansion. He says the NBA is already a league of guys who can run and jump but don't know how to play the game.

"What I'm concerned about is the lack of good shooters," he said. "Guys are more athletic now, but they're not fundamentally sound. How much more expansion can they do?"

in the '96-97 season , ten teams were able to roll off 50+ wins (including 69-win Chicago, 64-win Utah, 61-win Miami) . In the 2018-19 season, there were eight 50+ win teams (with 60-win Milwaukee as the league leader)

This was also a league where zone defense was illegal making it hard to double or trap a player. Like I said, clotheslining people is no substitute for real talent.

You don't want me flooding this page with YouTube clips of MJ facing the Zone like I did when you erroneously claimed MJ didn't guard Magic after Game 1 of the 91 Finals but you ended up by yourself proving MJ was his primary defender the entire series

WeissVonner:
Dude, can you stop with this inane argument? There's not a single expert on athletics who wouldn't agree that athletes today are generally faster stronger and more educated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athletics

The vast majority of these records are from the 21st century. There are lot more players in the NBA with a 40" vertical than in the 90s. This isn't even really an argument.

You're the one dropping inane arguments. Even from the link you posted you can see that on the women side from the 100m to 1000m the record was set upwards of 25 years ago.

You can also see that all the long distance and field records for men (bar pole vault) and most of the field records for women were from 2 to 3 decades ago or more

What does having a higher vertical have to do with anything? Not that you have even proven this

DeeMain:
Sorry A40, Flo Jo should be scratched from that list. It screams steroid-induced!

Did you catch her using steroids? Why is her record still standing

She never ever failed a drug test even after being singled out for rigorous testing. You guys should stop disrespecting the dead with spurious allegations just to defend LeNomad and athletes of this era. Show some decency

raumdeuter:
Look at what is written and what will be different from SARS currently

Look at 2 and 3 They might just give them a new name and just say SARS is now called JTU just a change of name

This SARS style is unbearable and too frequent and rampant. Nobody is under any illusions as to things magically changing but this current SARS with their style of operation that is akin to kidnapping can't continue on this scale.

We have had lots of crazy institutions that went rogue but later they were able to reduce their problems to bearable levels

iamoyindamola:
So shall it be for you and your miserable family
Your useless parents will live and watch you die a slow and painful death
Tueh!!!

Lol you guys biko e don do. Make una die this thing

WeissVonner:
Everyone knows the Spurs had no clear cut best player. When they won in 2014, there were four legitimate candidates for FMVP.

Two of the best 4 players on the Spurs were 36+. They were an extremely old team that were able to dominate without being bigger, stronger, athletic and all that other adjectives and superlatives you lot bandy around

[quote author=WeissVonner post=94840492]LOL Nutrition is better, scouting is better, player development is better, theres a larger talent pool. The best players in literally every sport bar ice hockey are playing in this era. All the athletics records are from this era. Somehow you old heads want us to believe only basketball got worse or remained stagnant after three decades.

This is what recency bias makes you believe. Humans have not evolved that much over 30 years. Not in Sports anyway.

All the athletics records are from what? Who has broken Flo-Jo's record in both 100 and 200m?
Long jump, high jump, pole vault, shotput, javelin both men and women every single record has yet to be broken over 30 years later by the supposed better scouted, better developed and better nourished players of today.

Stop repeating this myth and Urban legend. There is nothing exceptional about this era

WeissVonner:
Worthy was hobbled throughout that series. There can be an argument for Kareem, Kobe, Wilt, KD and Harden for being the greatest scorers of all time, depends on how you choose to look at it.

Worthy was healthy enough to play 41 minutes per game the entire series. I don't want to hear that hobbled nonsense. If you can play 45+ minutes in 2 of the 4 games then you're fine.

I'm sorry I don't rate players who's scoring and efficiency dips when the heat of the playoffs arrive as the best scorers

WeissVonner:
Where was LeBrons good karma for getting beat up by 4 hall of famers in 2007 finals? or having to go through KG Allen PP and Rondo?

4 HOFers? It was Duncan, Ginobili and Parker. LeNomad ran through a weak and watery East anyway they had no business being in the Finals. The #1 seed was

He only went through them twice and bolted to the Heat to try and bully the league for the rest of his prime but alas the league had other plans

WeissVonner:
Remember that Bosh first ballot HOF argument we had? well he flamed out on his first attempt. The Ray Allen that played for the heat did hit the greatest shot in NBA history but other than that was no better than a Kyle Korver, bringing him up is like bringing up cavs Shaq to say Bron played with Shaq. Then theres wade who exponentially regressed after 2011 and by 2014 was no longer the same player.

Bosh is a HOFer whether first or fifteenth ballot.
Ray Allen was there for two seasons in a team that had 3 HOF candidates. Which team apart from the Grandpa Spurs and Celtics had that luxury?

Anyway all your arguments are just standard excuses. Go and check Pippen's numbers in their second 3peat and come back to tell me he did not regress as well

WeissVonner:
Some players get easy rings because they have a competent front office. Why shouldnt players get to build teams to compete and go against established teams?

As for the Miami heat, after all the bad luck Bron has had in the finals, he deserves to have a cakewalk, just like your goat did most of the time.

So why do you lot cry ad nauseum about KD and the Warriors. LeNomad has been consistently gaming the system. In his prime he joined up with his draft mates then when they declined he handpicked younger players to team with. Unfortunately KD went one better

When the wheels fell off in Miami and Cleveland he did what any good nomad would. Take his nomadic talents to the Lakers to team up with a player 9 years younger. And then tried to recruit another one 7 years younger and they just so happened to be 2 of the best 7 players in the league. What is more cakewalk like that

MJ faced and beat more 60+ win teams than LeNomad so we know who the real cakewalker is

WeissVonner:
LOL But there are many instances of old teams making finals in the 80s and 90s. That was a deep, experienced and well coached team.


And can you stop this whole weak era argument? Clotheslining people and punching them in the face is not a substitute for skill and talent.

Show me one team in the 80's and 90's with it's best player literally 38 years old.

If that team is as good as you cracked it up to be then don't come here to talk smack about the Lakers and Pistons that combined for 7 titles and double digit finals appearances

I have told you there is nothing more skillful and talented about this era, every player you see today had a prototype. What we have is a proliferation of 3pt attempts. And increased pace that leads to more possessions and ability to pad stats at a higher clip.

nihilistjnr:
What happens when SARS is ended and police brutality continues?

Because when I dey Naija, na regular cops dey do all the things SARS are being accused of now, from running raiding van in the hood, to stop and search, to extortion, to public execution.

I mean, surely if you're aged 30 and above in Lagos, you remember how you had to have receipt for your laptop, how you didn't need foreign numbers on your phone, how having particulars in your car was pointless, etc.

Maybe all the guys that terrorised my area in my teenage years have graduated into SARS, because this shït sounds like regular Lagos police behaviour to me.

That one na yahoo police. SARS own is ten times worse. For Nigerians to gather like this just know that it has passed be careful. Yahoo police will not bill you six figures for finding absolutely nothing incriminating on you and beat you within an inch of your life if you struggle too much

The brutality and sheer amount they demand is obscene.

Ibime:
I'm in my house, come and beat me. I'm usually pro-Police and Armed Forces, but you guys made your point well and convinced me of the need to scrap SARS, especially A40.

Nigerians are typically docile. When was the last time you even saw people coming out with this outrage. I didn't think Nigerians still had it in them. The truth is those people have done too much and the rot is beyond repair. They have switched their guns and are attacking the most vulnerable people, the ones that can't even afford the monies these people demand and that is why everyone is so mad.

Don't get me wrong, scrapping SARS is only the first step but they have to go before we look at long term solution

WeissVonner:
Duncan
Parker
Ginobli
Kawhi
then role players like splitter, Diaw, Danny Green etc off the top of my head. This team of old men, were the one seed in the western conference you lot rave about. Dude, that team lost 2 games in the playoffs in the western conference.

That was an old ass team. Far older by several years than any team the GOAT ever beat yet all we hear is excuses.

Splitter and Diaw combined for less than 10pts and 5rebs. Lool

That is to show you how weak this era is. Old man Duncan and Ginobili at 37 and 36 were still laying the smackdown on the supposed bigger, stronger athletic players of this era. Tragic

WeissVonner:
Both losing records. Point is its shouldn't define a persons legacy.

One more loser than the other

WeissVonner:
LOL Magic on his last legs with HIV and an injured James worthy. The cadavers of the showtime Lakers are by far the best team he beat in the finals.

Meanwhile you mention all these greats who played on different teams against MJ, Bron played against the GOAT shooter and arguably the second greatest PG of all time, then a top 3/4 SF all time and arguably the GOAT scorer, then the second greatest shooter of all time and one of the most versatile defenders of all time along with another arguable HOFamer all on the SAME TEAM. Compared to these guys, your man beat a pac of bums!

Lmaooooooo you people are ridiculous. Magic was an All-NBA, MVP and all-star MVP the previous season. This cadaver was 22-8-12 in the playoffs and they went two rounds further in 91

Worthy missed just one game. Whereas fast forward to 2020 you lot are already jizzin your shorts about LeNomad facing an underdog Heat team missing it's starting PG and Center for 80% and 60% of it's games respectively.

The 'GOAT scorer' has never done it on his own so scratch that. There is only one GOAT scorer and he retired several years ago.

LeNomad took the easy way to rings joining up with a Finals MVP Dwyane Wade who carried the 06 Heat to a Championship in his 3rd year in the league, One of the best big men shooter and a surefire HOFer. Added Ray Allen the second best shooter of all-time. And other complementary pieces. A team that somehow should have won a 4peat but somehow contrived to barely win just two rings

Golden State were merely there to enact Karma and give LeNomad a taste of what the rest of the league felt when the Heatles were formed. LeNomad is not the only player entitled to easy rings

WeissVonner:
LOL I have never blamed him for losing in the first round, but if we will blame LeBron for losing to better teams in the finals then by your logic we should blame MJ for losing in the first round.

Good so MJ is 6-9 and LeNomad is 3-13

WeissVonner:
A dynasty with four HOFs and a HOF coach that goes ten men deep against LeBron and one legged D Wade and Bosh. Wow, you really showed us.

Ten deep? Lmaoooo all you niggas do is lie.

LeNomad needed 3 HOFs, to beat 37,36, 32 year old niggas and Kawhi Leonard in his second year in the league.

This one legged D-Wade averaged 20-4-5 as the second best player on his team. LeNomad's Robin was better than the other team's Batman in two of his 3 title wins

WeissVonner:
Yeah the team with four (maybe five) hall of famers compared to a team with one. A team with 57 wins in an expansion era compared to the team with 73 in the modern era. You have to be kidding me.

Like I said, your man built his legacy against bonafide scrubs. No doubt about it, his conference was tougher than the finals and that obviously reflected on the finals record you lot love to glorify.

When MJ beat the Lakers and Pistons with a combined 6 all-stars and HOFers in their lineup with Scottie Pippen in his second year as a decent second option where was this energy?

Who cares what their accolades is? The bottom line is they didn't play like it so your argument is moot.

MJ played in an era with the most dominant Center of all-time a guy you swear is the most dominant unstoppable force of nature we have ever seen in basketball. Swept him

MJ played with the GOAT PG. Arguably 3 of the top 5 all-time greatest PGs are from MJ's era

MJ played with the second greatest SF of all-time. Some Boston fans will tell you he was the greatest SF

Beat the team that beat the greatest PF of all-time

But yet he faced scrubs. The cognitive dissonance is hilarious

Lool. I'm not done

LeNomad's Robin was better than the Batman on the Spurs and Warriors. Wild

WeissVonner:
So he also had a losing record for his career.

How would Michael lose in the finals when he was facing corned beef cans?

The real cans

benji93:
Ofcourse google is our friend. . IThat was just banter. Besides i don't really believe in the statement, "did you watch it in real time"?. Most of the stats you need for a deep analysis were available. Match ups, e.t.c. Perhaps you can go one step back to the western conference finals. They beat the Utah jazz with Malone and Stockton, a team they dispatched in 6 games. 3 of their players were averaging 20 points per game. Only one of them, Drexler averaged over 20 points in the series against MJ's bulls. Terry Porter and Drexler were averaging field goal percents of about 55% and 47% respectively in the previous serie, you may want to check their averages in their series against the Bulls. There's your MJ factor.

Lmaoooo since we are shittin on teams and belittling them

I raise you the 16 Warriors. The team that Bronsexuals swear deified him. The so-called 'best team of all-time'

But oops what do we have here? The second best player on the Cavs outscoring the best player on the Warriors by 4.5 points