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DeeMain:
Books and documentaries and interviews have been written and done on this. No need to argue bro. We know who needed who and who didn't give a damn if he played for the Bull or not and told them so .

Revisionists, I hail you all

Plug any decent role player there and it would have been same result.

Books and documentaries have nothing to do with what transpired on the court. The Bulls brought him back to relevancy and he would have never been this pop culture phenom if he continued wasting his contributions in San Antonio. He was there in San Antonio in a pretty solid team. They won nothing. Why didn't he propel them to anything?

The only reason we are here talking about Dennis Rodman today is because he played for the Bulls else he's just Ben Wallace with a little more rebounds

WeissVonner:
So a team hell bent on ending the season decides against it hours later. Maybe they never wanted it to end in the first place.

How many teams had healthy players that simply refused to show up to the bubble, had players openly muse about whether to play or not and voted to get out. Answers on a postcard

WeissVonner:
They are also a massive underdog and NBA ratings have been abysmal for a while now. Of course this is the lowest rated finals game in a long time.

Last year's numbers were better. And we had more sports then. Not an excuse

WeissVonner:
Well with the way he guarded Magic he was certainly not winning any DPOY thats for sure. He's better off against the Jeff Hornaceks and John Stocktons.

This is Magic Johnson the GOAT PG not some scrub. Looking at Pippen's numbers you cannot with a straight face tell me he did a much better job. MJ guarded everybody is the point. From Clyde to Hardaway (Penny and Tim) he backed down from nobody. Hell I have footage of him at 40 guarding Shawn Marion and Latrell Sprewell. All I want to do is dead this narrative that Pippen was doing all the defensive work. That is a white hot lie and I'm glad you indicted yourself with that post

WeissVonner:
The Bulls literally lost game 1, were losing game 2 until Pippen switched over to Magic, of course there was a momentum shift. The adjustment Phil made was to ensure Pippen saw a lot more time on Magic rather than have MJ almost exclusively guard him,

Why are old heads really pushing fairy tales man?

You're doing the spinaroonie at this point. You claimed MJ was being torched. How is 4/5 from the field with 5 turnovers the entire game 'torched' when they only won by 2.

Ok so what happened in Game 3 where the Bulls were down double digits late in the second half with Pippen in foul trouble and fouling out eventually. Why didn't momentum shift then?

Your stat shows Jordan guarded Magic 61% of the time the entire series. That stat alone rubbishes your entire argument. Unless you're suggesting Jordan guards Magic 100% of the time

WeissVonner:
Pippen was a swiss army knife and his duties shifted depending on what the team needed from him. If he wasnt leading in any of these categories he was certainly lifting a major load on that department. Again in total, he leads in accumulated stats under categories other than scoring.

There is nothing Pippen did that MJ couldn't do in his sleep. But MJ was never a stat padding hog like LeNomad. He allowed everyone shine in their roles.

In 1991, 1993 and 97. MJ led Pippen in two of the top 3 stats categories. The rest is for Stat padding LeStatPad fans to debate.

I have made my point to show he did a lot more than score

WeissVonner:
Lol! This is inane. If a team isnt getting rebounds they give up second chance opportunities and cant get them for themselves, thats giving away points and leaving them on the table. If you cant create shots for role players who cant create them for themselves you're losing points. They're just as important.

Rebounds or no rebounds you are still going to have to score a basket. I can show you numerous instances of outrebounded teams still winning ball games, In tight half court basketball in the playoffs you're still going to need players that will go out there and give you unassisted buckets

Scoring is the single most important thing in basketball. Everything else is still a means to an end which is outscoring your opponents

WeissVonner:
Post 2014 D Wade? Lol! No they wouldn't. Not without reinforcements.

Even LeNomad and the Heatles needed reinforcements so that one is neither here nor there

WeissVonner:
What? You keep saying Young Pup as if its not Tim friggin Duncan led by Greg Friggin Popovich. Not to mention how trash their depth was.

Greg friggin Popovich? You said that like he was a made man in the league. Remind me what he had done in 99 again?

Kobe,Glen Rice, Robert Horry and Rick Fox is enough to at least not get swept.

WeissVonner:
You're fixated on scoring. Its like saying Jordan Clarkson is better than Draymond because he scores more. There's a lot more to basketball than scoring. Players like LeBron can score 12 points and still dominate a game.

If you think all MJ did was just score then clearly I have been wasting my time here.

WeissVonner:
In one sentence you say "fairness over personal feelings and emotions" and in the next you immediately claim she doesn't deserve a cent. Maybe you should take your advice.

She was his wife for over two decades. Gave him multiple children and evidently endured immense physical and emotional abuse. Her getting some sort of financial compensation is fair.

That was obviously hyperbole but ok say she deserves something some type of settlement. She should get something but for how long. Why are we treating marriage like some pension plan?

What if he was broke?

She sure as hell doesn't deserve $1.5m a month

WeissVonner:
Why would you ever reference points when talking about his contributions when you know damn well that has nothing to do with why he's in the hall of fame. Its like bringing up Steph Curry and mentioning how many blocks he had. Rodman was an elite defender and rebounder. Led the league in rebounds in the regular season throughout the second three peat and averaged over 30 minutes per game during the playoffs. Why are you old heads intent on rewriting history?

You always like arguing without applying full context. This was a player the anti Jordan crowd swore was absolutely crucial to the Bulls second 3peat (which he was, like Rondo, Markieff and Caruso are to these Lakers) but I proved to you that the Bulls also won despite his numbers being down across board.

What does this have to do with Steph? You're fond of using incorrect analogies

His minutes were lower than average, his boards were lower, his points were lower, everything was lower. I zoomed in that particular season to show you that he contributed little that postseason and the team still won

DeeMain:
They were struggling after MJ came back. Other teams were ready for them. The best rebounder in the game and baddest defender in the NBA, Bad Boy Dennis Rodman came to their rescue.

This is no secret. A little googling will reveal this to you. And The Last Dance confirmed this.

Facts.

No Rodman no 2nd 3 peat.

This is an awful take. Other teams were ready because? MJ returned March after almost two years out of basketball. You thought they would just romp to a title?

Rodman needed the Bulls more than the Bulls needed Rodman. They won a whole 3peat without him and he was a complete non factor in at least one of the 3peats

Can also say no Ray Allen and LeNomad is on 2 rings as we speak

WeissVonner:
It seems you keep losing touch of the arguments you're pushing.

You have still not shown where I said LeNomad wanted the season over. At worst he had reluctant teammates. You have absolutely no argument here

airmark:
You can be in your Bariga, eating your Amala and gbegiri and be deceiving yourself, Lewandowski and your key players know what it means to win individual awards that distinguish them from carry-along leeches like Boathand.

Continue crying my guy

WeissVonner:
But they did happen nonetheless. Stop behaving as if he did everything on his own.

No one ever said this though

WeissVonner:
They won 73 games in a non expansion era with a unanimous MVP. Them coming back from 3-1 down was no fluke. I'd love to see what jordan would have done when klay started raining down those 3's in game 6. Maybe he'll send Pippen to guard him.

Are you talking of that time we had teams openly tanking? Lol. Them coming back was a complete fluke. They had the Warriors dead to rights and if not for these generation of athletes being such supreme chokers that series should have ended 4-1

FFS they blew them out by a combined 52pts in Games 3 and 4.

Did you know KD shot 8/24 and 10/30 from the field in both those wins. You think MJ in the middle of his basketball prime blows a 3-1 lead to Klay and Steph? Lmaoooooooooo

WeissVonner:
Lmao a 22 year old leading a team past a pistons team with one of the most stifling defenses of all time. Scoring all of his teams last 29 points. Nothing impressive. I'd love to have seen MJ against a team like the Spurs as his teams only offensive option. Too bad he never faced a team half as good in the finals.

Did you just say stifling of all-time? Don't make me cry please. They had lost their best defender and rim protector Ben Wallace the previous season. Their record was so mid they would be 4th seed out West. Dfkm

Wasn't it bosom Gibson that closed out the series while your boy shot 3/11 from the field and was padding stats as per usual.

The Spurs were so good 2 of their 4 wins against this terrible Cleveland team were by a combined 3 points.

Let me give you LeNomad's shooting in those games.

10/30
9/23

Team's only offensive option but we had games in the series where literally 3 players on his team made more FGs than he did. He completely wrecked his team's chances with his calamitous shooting

WeissVonner:
Prime Shaq was 2000-2002. They hacked him to death and still couldn't stop him. That Shaq would be the best player on the court with anyone else on the court.

Prime Shaq could be hacked and forced to go to the foul line. What could you do with prime MJ? Nothing.

WeissVonner:
Lmao Its funny how Skip Bayless managed to convince people the Spurs stood a chance against that warriors team. They would have possibly still lost that game and definitely lost that series. Kawhi or not.

Skip Bayless? Weren't they down by over 20pts? What proof do you have that they stood a chance if not for that injury. You literally cannot prove this. They were coasting to a Game 1 victory then Kawhi got hurt. Same way you lot swear Toronto doesn't win if KD doesn't get hurt. Let's keep this same energy now

WeissVonner:
They lost because they made their 2s and bricked their 3s. Dont know how he would have helped with that.

No. They lost because they didn't take fewer 3's . They passed up 81 straight points because they did nothing other than spam the 3 ball

WeissVonner:
Lol. They wanted out of the bubble but changed their minds a few hours later?

The human mind is incapable of change or what is this joke of a question

WeissVonner:
Lmao what? Miami is a mid market at best and a massive underdog. Same reason the 2007 finals was a ratings disaster. You think if LeBron decides to do a documentary 20 years from now it wouldnt pull massive ratings? You watch the NBA everyday, the last dance was a rare documentary about one of sports most iconic figures.

Miami is a 3 time Champion they have a huge fan base. Laughable that you compare a Finals between LA/Miami to San Antonio vs Cleveland. Just laughable

WeissVonner:
Lmaoo una fit kill person for this place.

Fact of the matter is the momentum switched immediately Pippen was switched on Magic in game 2.

This were his stats against the Bulls. He was his best when MJ was guarding him. He was killing him in the post especially.

player poss TS% PTS AST TOV FGA FTA F drawn
Jordan 253 73,2 20,3 16,1 4,5 9,4 10,1 6,4
Pippen 102 64,9 20,5 11,2 4,7 12,1 8,4 7,5
no one 031 26,5 15,3 12,3 3,1 27,6 3,1 0
Horace 010 0,00 0,00 19,0 28,5 38,0 0,0 0
others 017 68,5 67,1 16,8 5,6 39,1 22,0 22,4

I thought you said all MJ did was guard undersized guards. You can see from this your so called stats that MJ was the primary defender on Magic not Pippen thus no momentum was changed in the series like you erroneously claimed. So why did you lie that any kind of momentum shifted when MJ was still Magic's primary defender for the entire series. Smh

You're still talking about momentum when you can literally see that MJ guarded him almost 3 times more than Scottie did

If I didn't dig into the crates for those clips that is how you would mislead the public

So what happened to this momentum when Pippen fouled out and MJ had to check Magic and come back from a late deficit to force overtime in Game 3. Why do you lot cap unprovoked? Why??

WeissVonner:
Lol. If the totality of their stats during their championship wins shows pippen leading him in every stat other than points, he did his job.

Story. That is an amateur way to analyse stats. Explain why in 3 of 6 title wins MJ led in either points or rebounds or points and assists.

MJ should not lead in anything other than points in any of the seasons if Pippen did his job

WeissVonner:
Dude, you just claimed assists and rebounds dont matter.

They don't matter as much as scoring

WeissVonner:
I'm talking about both regular season and post season. And the team in 2015 was much different, added a bunch of new players. Still fell short.

They added players because they lost players. Duhh! You think a healthy Wade and Bosh wouldn't beat the Raptors? Jokes

WeissVonner:
Timmy was averaging 21 and 11 and was already one of the best in the league. If David Robinson was super washed at 34, keep the same energy for the rockets team. Pippen was a top 10 player in the NBA in the 90s. Better than Kyrie was or wade after the knee surgery. That was enough to put MJ over the top. Its who you are as well as who you're up against. MJ pippen was easily the best of a few dynamic duos in the league.

Not an excuse. Hakeem, Olajuwon and Pippen were enough to get to a conference Final at least. If one young pup and a washed Robinson could sweep the Lakers then a younger Pippen with two grizzled veterans should have led the team if he was that dude.

Pippen couldn't do what Kyrie had to do to get Cleveland back into that series. Pippen was 43% from the field in the playoffs. Let that sink in. a 17 ppg scorer on 43% shooting.

Imagine MJ with a second best player able to outscore the best player on the other team. An unanimous MVP no less

WeissVonner:
If you;re naive enough to ignore the sort of influence LeBron wields over the players thats on you. Besides, this is another straw man. Point is you claimed Bron wanted to end the season which is a bold faced lie.

Like the Nuggets coach said. Nobody really cares what Pat Beverley has to say.

Where did I claim LeNomad wanted to end the season. I know you lie for fun so this will not be beneath you. I want to see you prove where I said LeNomad wanted the season over.

WeissVonner:
Sometimes the appropriate legal action results in a fine or a settlement for assault. That's not stealing, its compensation. If it was anyone other than this piece of sh-t then sure. But she deserves every dime and more.

What Dre's ex wife tried to do was stealing and thankfully common sense prevailed. Fairness over personal feelings and emotions. She didn't deserve a cent

WeissVonner:
When someone references the number of points Rodman scored during an argument it really just points to their lack of knowledge of basketball.

You're talking in the nonsense. I listed his contributions (pts and rebs) in totality with the low minutes he averaged in previous posts as well. Just talking in the nonsense

DeeMain:
You know Rodman wasn't brought in to score. He was brought in to be a defensive beast and monster and a pest and dirty-job man all rolled into one.

Someone who could free up MJ and Pippen to finish off opponents. Someone who could add the x-factor of the Pistons' ruggedness and dirtiness to the Bull's finesse. Someone who would make them truly unbeatable.

So they were not unbeatable after winning the first 3 peat?

Every single team in the history of basketball have had a Rodman like player. Don't try to paint him like some star. He was 36 when he came over and not even in his prime.

In 97 they won the title with little or no contribution from Rodman

DeeMain:
Just to butt in a little. Jordan and the bulls were literally hunting for a 3rd best player in order to win when he returned from his first retirement.

That player was the tireless and enigmatic Rodman who had peppered them as a Piston.

Shamelessly the Bulls went all out to get Rodman, a hated arch-enemy.

MJ didn't care. He wanted to win badly and wanted the best. That was a super 3 right there.

MJ looked for the easy way out too.

Without Rodman, no 3 peat for MJ.

Let's not demonize Bron and idolize MJ Just because it suits the prevailing narrative.

Pepper them? He wasn't there when Jordan swept these same Pistons and sent them all to premature retirement? Obviously he didn't pepper them enough then.

MJ won a whole 3peat without Rodman. In 97 the Bulls won a title with Rodman averaging 2 and 7 in the Finals .

Nice try though

WeissVonner:
LOL And yet there are crucial games where he shot horribly, and got bailed out by his teammates.

That can be counted on one finger. There's literally never been a series anybody outscored him

WeissVonner:
LeBron averages a few less points and thats it because even at the start of the season he explained why they will run their offense through him. AD is not even a better scorer than bron for starters. But yes, he does lighten LeBrons workload.

Rebounds? Blocks? Steals? Better free throw shooter that's hella of a lighter workload. Just using your argument

WeissVonner:
Not if he ran into the warriors or the Spurs he wont. The only finals he would win that LeBron didnt is 2011, he wont get to the finals in 2007 or 2018 and would definitely lose in 2016.

Your error would be in assuming Jordan would even go down 3-1 to those Warriors to begin with. Hell they wouldn't even sniff the Finals if KD and co didn't fumble their bag in the first place

Don't bring up 2007 please where you beat two .500 squads and voila you land in the Conference Finals. Jordan makes the Finals in that watery East and doesn't shoot 38% from the field and average 5 turnovers per game in the Finals either

WeissVonner:
Prime Shaq? Of course, but he won't even be the best player on that team. Prime Shaq was the highest peak of any player we have ever seen. If you are given the choice of winning a game with one player throughout history its prime shaq. AD is the best big in the league right now, MJ plus AD is not beating the Steph KD warriors thats a friggin joke.

How so? Prime Shaq never won without a good wing player. What was Prime Shaq looking at at 27 when Tim Duncan came and swept him and beat him to a title

Lool what do you do with Shaq in the 4th quarter of a close game? you hack him ad nauseum. And he can't even make free throws. What are you talking about winning a game with anybody other than Jordan? What a joke

MJ and AD will swarm the Warriors and constrict them on defense it would be painful to watch. Maybe you have forgotten Steph's numbers in the clutch

WeissVonner:
This was the 2018 warriors, who were already having cracks and chemistry issues. The rockets were specifically built to beat them and your man wouldnt even fit into their system because everybody knows your man couldnt shoot 3s, unless they shorten the line to help him again of course.

Kawhi and Lamarcus Aldridge were destroying the Warriors in their building by over 20pts Game 1 before Zaza stomped his foot and ruined the series in 2017.

Maybe if they had a Jordan like player in their system they wouldn't be without a chip. Made 2's >>> Missed 3's.

AD took 21 shots the other day. Only 4 were 3's

Imagine thinking one single player can unilaterally end a season. Say na tremble, Bass ni

Una no go kill person for here oh. Everyday na different type of yeye and awada

WeissVonner:
Lets just say this encounter with dee barnes wasnt an isolated incident.

Everyone in Hollywood knows he does this to women habitually. I can't ever defend a man like this.

If he's beaten up women then he should face time or appropriate legal action. I will not endorse outright stealing just to get back at him.

Dre today an innocent hardworking man tomorrow. Let's be consistent

WeissVonner:
I'm talking about what happened before they even got in the bubble when players were considering boycotting the season.

"Saw some reports about execs and agents wanting to cancel season?? That’s absolutely not true. Nobody I know saying anything like that. As soon as it’s safe we would like to finish our season. I’m ready and our team is ready. Nobody should be canceling anything. "-This was LeBron on twitter. He pushed for the season resuming when players like Kyrie wanted to end it saying he believes he can make a difference while playing. Pat Bev came out and said something in the vein of if LeBron is playing then most players are playing.

And even in the bubble this is what happened according to Shams.

"Sources: LeBron James walked out of Wednesday’s players meeting because he supported Bucks, supported boycott, but there was no plan. For James, actions and outcomes mattered most; otherwise why do this? He became comfortable to play once NBPA mapped out purpose and plans."

Stop pedaling false narratives.

You're overrating LeNomad's role in all of this is the point. Nobody is playing because he wanted to play. This is still the long and short of the argument. When it came down to it in the bubble it was still his team that were one of those that wanted out of the bubble. This is fact.

WeissVonner:
Lol! The NBA finals has never aired in October and during football season. The NBA's ratings have been steadily declining for a variety of factors for a few years now. Then there is the political aspect of things. As for their legacies on court, thats subjective, but its not close IMO.

You guys are relentless with the excuses at this point. Which Football was on air on Wednesday? Even hockey is over so why is the NBA Finals ratings lower than a documentary on events that took place 22 years ago.

Two of the biggest media markets in the league are playing the NBA Finals with nothing else on TV yet the Finals still did poverty numbers

On court or off court the gap is insurmountable. It's even significantly worse off court because MJ was pretty much bigger than the game.

WeissVonner:
What myth? They lost game 1 with Magic torching MJ. Started torching him in game 2 then they switched Pippen unto him for the rest of the series and they won every game after that. How is that a myth?

Lmaoo una fit kill person for this place.

Magic had as many shots as turnovers in a game they won by 2 but he was 'torching' MJ. Scott Storch ni.

In Game 2 the only reason he was off Magic was because of foul trouble. Arrrgh you people just pick up any myth and run with it. Pippen fouled out in Game 3. It was still MJ that was Magic's primary defender all through overtime and Magic went 0-0-0 with a turnover


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFtj8ovhp48


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLa2NoCwUKY

If una repeat this lie 100 times e no fit still change to truth

WeissVonner:
Doesnt refute the fact that Pippen led him in those categories in the 6 finals they won. And its not just the per game stats, its the totality of the stats added together. He did all those things so MJ didnt have to focus on them.

I wouldn't even touch on the blocks and steals which are so infinitesimal they don't deserve any attention.

I have shown you that in 3 of 6 title wins MJ led in either points and rebounds or points and assists. The totality banter is an argument you have to have with yourself. If Pippen was doing his job like you claim then MJ should not still be leading in these categories 50% of the time

WeissVonner:
And what about teammates who cant create scoring for themselves? Who creates for them? Or are you lot going to start claiming MJ scored all those points himself?

MJ is arguably the greatest iso scorer in history. Pretty sure most of his buckets would have been unassisted. Besides MJ was a 6 assists per game guy. The guy averaged 11 asts in a Finals series before. Lets not act like passing was a weakness. Who set up Paxson and Kerr?

WeissVonner:
Lol! which year? no they didnt. The heat never made it past the second round without Bron. And wade and bosh were constantly injured in 2014 but bron still made it work.

They got to the same stage the Bulls did. Within a game of the Eastern Finals. Without Bosh!!

Wade and Bosh were constantly injured? Did they miss any game in 2014 playoffs? Please drop these excuses

WeissVonner:
Thats not the point. They at that age ran into Kobe and Shaq. Its about who you are as well as who you run into. And nobody ever claimed Scottie is better than MJ. Its about what he brought to the table that allowed MJ to be who he was more comfortably and also how great that bulls team was. He finished top 4 in MVP voting in 1994 BTW.

Doesn't matter. They could still have beaten them. Tim Duncan and David Robinson did. Tim Duncan was a baby in the league and Robinson was super washed at that point.

Scottie did not bring more than what a normal Robin should bring to the table. Don't compare him to the likes of a Wade who was winning whole ass rings

WeissVonner:
Only thing I fault her for is signing a prenup.

Meh. I don't endorse avarice and stealing.

She left her previous man for Dre and now trying to get 1.5m a month. A whole thief on the come up is what she is

WeissVonner:
He never needed that. With the way talent was spread out in the 90s the Bulls were by far the best team in the League. Plus Pippen was the perfect co star because he did all the things that Jordan didnt have to do and could focus on primarily scoring.

And yet Jordan always had to score insane percentages of points just for the Bulls to win. MJ is the only one who has 4 finishes in the top 10 most percentage of points scored by a player in the Finals.

Using your logic can we say LeNomad focuses primarily on assisting while AD does everything else. I mean AD literally does everything else better

WeissVonner:
Please dont even begin to speculate that he would 3 peat once, let alone twice in this era. Jordan with any big in the league is not beating the Golden state warriors with KD. Thing is with player mobility, theres always a new super team forming somewhere meant to beat you. This is an entirely different league. Nobody is ever going to go 6-0 again let alone 3 peat.

If MJ could hop from team to team every 3-4 years able to play with Wade, Bosh, Allen, Love, Kyrie, AD, Dwight etc he would win more rings than LeNomad has mustered this far.

Bron jumped ahead of this trend and started the whole movement of players in their primes hooking up. He has seen the good the bad and ugly of this trend but fortunately for him he is on the good end rn.

Jordan with a Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Prime Shaq, AD in tow will beat KD's Warriors. What are you on about??

It took a torn CP3 Hamstring and 27 missed 3's in a row for James Harden not to pull it off. If James Harden and CP3 of all People could take 3 games then you're dreaming if you believe the GOAT and any elite big is not beating Golden State even with KD

WeissVonner:
This is a straw man argument. Point is LeBron wanted the season to resume and pushed for that.

Pushed where? He pushed for Nada. His team literally voted not to be in the bubble and end the season FFS

What are you going to credit this man for next? Fire? Water? Get a grip

WeissVonner:
And it was also in the best interest of owners like MJ for them to play. Don't make it seem as if it was from the goodness of his heart.

But he mediated and saved the season. Your guy and his team didn't even want to continue the season

WeissVonner:
Lol! Space Jam is a huge franchise, easier to market. Why try to catch someone you've surpassed? strange.

You know I love the name of the sequel: A New Legacy.

Surpass in what? He's not caught him on the court never mind off court where he's doing more numbers despite being out the league almost 20 years. Check these NBA Finals ratings compared to his documentary. Compare his ratings to 98 when they were playing a small market team. Never mind the footwear. There are levels to this my dude

WeissVonner:
MJ was the golden boy of the league who was guarding undersized guards. Man had a few MVP votes after playing half a season. Of course he had more defensive votes. Its no myth that it was Pippen who consistently guarded the oppositions best players, could guard 1 to 4, maybe even 5. A good example is the 1991 finals when Magic was torching Jordans arse and they had to switch Pippen unto him and he slowed him down.

Ahh this infamous myth. Of Pippen guarding Magic when MJ entered foul trouble

WeissVonner:
If you add up the totality of their stats in the 6 playoffs they played together, Pippen led in rebounds assists steals and blocks. Its not a myth, its a fact.

What is there to add? I showed you in 3 of the Bulls 6 title winning seasons MJ led Pippen in at least two of the more important stats which erases your myth.

I am not really here for stat spamming style of stats compilation that jumbles everything with zero context. You even added steals and blocks where the difference was often in decimals

WeissVonner:
The best teams usually have the highest or close to the highest rebounding and assisting stats. These are precursors of success. A lot of times when analyzing a game and you see a team badly out rebounded or assisted you know they can't win.

Rebounds are the easiest stats to hunt in all of basketball. All true stats hogs know this, assists is about creating open looks but still the quality of your teammates count. Scoring boils down to you and it is 100% impossible to win a game without outscoring the opponent which is why scoring will always be the most important stats

WeissVonner:
Lol, no they didn't.

But they did. They lost Bosh and Wade in 14/15 so that don't count

WeissVonner:
Hakeem was 35/36, Barkley was 35/36, Pippen was 33/34 and they ran into Kobe and Shaq.

Younger than Duncan and Manu. Same age as the Celtics the Heatles were beating up. If you insist they were geriatric then the other two teams were geriatrics too

WeissVonner:
Well he constantly speaks out of both sides of his mouth. We heard old heads call him out when he said lebron was better than MJ and he capitulated.

Capitulated? You don't think his complete meltdown in that 2011 Finals changed that false take? Scottie has no reason to budge because of some old heads. He's not on MJ's payroll and you have haters like Isiah Thomas and Laimbeer who claim MJ ain't the GOAT, if Scottie really feels that way there is zero need to change his mind

Roland17:
Congrats Dr. Dre! I said a prayer for you tonight. More importantly, thank you to the Judge for dismissing her request for an initial $1.5M and a subsequent $5M for her lawyer fees...
#Keepyourchinup

Happy for the good doc. That woman a whole thief

chic2pimp:
I can't emphasise this well enough. They were absolutely dreadful. The least said about Eric the better

Bledsoe is mediocre. No be today. The Bucks extended the wrong bunch of guys and they might lose Giannis for it

chic2pimp:
Even if you hated the decision He took 4 summers ago, your stance should have softened a lot by now especially with the near Career ending injury He suffered. The pressure He would have been under to get back to the court if He had sustained that injury without any rings would have been immense.

He took the surest path to a ring. Potatoes gonna potate. If he can lead the Nets to a couple of Finals and by chance win Brooklyn their first ever ring. We now have a whole new conversation. I won't put him in the upper GOAT tier but if he delivers a ring or two in Brooklyn he will enter the conversation

chic2pimp:
If you transported those aforementioned players into the Current climes, you best bet they'll be falling over themselves trying to find a way to Link up to give themselves the best chance of winning. Malone for example i'm sure will do things differently if He could turn back time. He went to the Lakers but by time, it was too late.

It is still the mentality of the players that will determine the current clime. If you have a bunch of players who are not BFFS and plotting how to link up every other post season this would still not have happened.

Joining teams up to ring chase in your respective primes I just don't think would ever sit well with the mentality of those players today

raumdeuter:
The trophy is what counts to us not awards from votes

You even see one funny thing Kimmich was voted as a midfielder and as a defender

That's the confusion of these awards. Müller was in the forwards and midfielders vote as well.

Suprised Kimpembe didn't scratch top 10. These awards are always somehow. Even VVD Morata and that Korean was spinning like turntable was top 4

WeissVonner:
I said most. I think a lot of players admitted as much.

Source: Guy I no fit lie for you

You think James Harden, Giannis, Kawhi etc care about Bron's opinion? Get real

WeissVonner:
Whether equally shared or not, the point is they get a piece.

The players also lose money by not playing and it affects them in the CBA moving forward. It was in their best interest to play

WeissVonner:
Its not about making the documentary or not, It's about the timing.

LeBron making Space Jam is not about trying to imitate Jordan. Its about making money. He wears Jordans number and thats where the similarity ends, LeBron being the savant he is takes things from many great players game especially Penny Hardaway, Dr J, Magic and Moses Malone.

And couldn't do another entirely different movie? He's trying to match MJ on and off the court but we know that will never happen

WeissVonner:
He was the teams best defender, guarded the oppositions best player. Led the teams in assists, rebounds and steals. He was a swiss army knife that made sure all your man had to do was score and guard undersized guards.

I like how people keep regurgitating this myth even though Pippen never won DPOY and never had as many high end finishes and All defensive appearances as MJ

Pippen was a jack of all trade master of none. He never led the league in any single stat whether regular season or playoffs

No matter how many times una repeat this Pippen myth doesn't mean it can ever be true.

1997 season MJ: 31-8-5
1997 playoffs Pippen: 19-7-4
1993 playoffs MJ: 35-7-6
1993 playoffs Pippen: 20-7-5
1991 playoffs MJ: 31-6-8
1991 playoffs: Pippen: 21-9-6

You think MJ couldn't lead the Bulls in all stats if he was a certified stat spammer like LeNomad? In the bright lights of playoff basketball everyone knows scoring is the most difficult task. You can be outrebounded and still win, you can be out assisted and still win but you can never be outscored and win

WeissVonner:
He was one blown call from an ECF. And a testament to how great that Bulls team was.

A 3peat winning team with same coach that loses just one player no matter how great will always compete. The Heat got to a game of the ECF after LeNomad left too

WeissVonner:
Please don't call that sad team of ring chasing geriatrics a stacked team.

How weren't they stacked? Were they older than Duncan and Manu? Pippen was younger why couldn't he dominate? Put his stamp on the team

WeissVonner:
This is a man who got bullied by his wife and forced to apologize for her cheating on him. Jordan basically bullied him throughout his career, I say the odds are very high.

Lool equating woman and man situation where significantly richer black man has to part with money if they divorce? At worst he has simp traits which even the most masculine of men have exhibited at some point.

Bayern wiped the UEFA awards lol but you can see how quiet everywhere is. We don't celebrate polling booth awards round here

This is what matters

This our group is pretty interesting.

Salzburg
Atletico Madrid
Lokomotiv

I'm especially looking forward to both ties vs Salzburg. Wouldn't wanna miss that one

Leipzig's group is very interesting as well but for Gladbach. Thoughts and prayers

chic2pimp:
Beaten the Raptors with the likes of Khris and Eric? Definitely not in this life or the next. The result would have remained the same.

People keep downplaying how poorly these guys played that series. Especially Eric friggin Bledsoe who should not be a starting PG of any team hoping to compete in this league

chic2pimp:
Props to AD for realising that. He clearly saw where His career was heading, decided to take the Bull by the Horn and is clearly reaping the benefits of that decision. Basketball is a short career so you have to make the most of it.

Fair enough and this is why haters need to lay off KD for good. Everyone is taking the shortest path possible to the ring these days. That's just what it is

chic2pimp:
The so called "Old heads" tend to look at things through rose tinted glasses. Do you think MJ would have stayed if He did not have Pippen by His side? He better not listen to these folks. If KD had listened to any of their advice and stayed put, He would still be ringless by now.

He would have stayed. Most of those old school players are cut from a much different cloth than the players of now. Do you know what it means to lose to the same team 3 times in a row and keep fighting? Hakeem didn't leave, Malone spent 18 years in Utah, Robinson didn't leave, Dirk never left Dallas and stayed till he won. Rings have always mattered but players also wanted to be revered in their franchises.

Doc Rivers to the Sixers. Hope he delivers this time.

chic2pimp:
LOOOOOOL Won what ring? Why do you think He bolted at the first opportunity to team up with a TOP 3(at worst) player of all time?

Ringlessness awaits Giannis in the nearest future if He doesn't realise the NBA is now Star driven and you simply can't do it on your own. The days of Hakeem 94 and Duncan 03 are long gone.

Actually what these playoffs have shown is that AD has alpha talent but beta mentality. I think the argument of who's better between him and AD has been closed for now

However we have no proof and will have no proof for quite sometime that AD is able to lead a team like the Bucks or any team to a title. He's not even the unanimous best player on the Lakers. That's why despite his skill set if this winds up being the only ring he wins nobody is ever going to put him ahead of a Dirk or a Karl Malone never mind Duncan

etidy:
The fact is the lakers has been the best team in the league this season, wire to wire.
They finished number 1 in a tougher conference, faced more adversity than most teams and will deservedly win the title.
This title takes LeBron to at least on equal pedestal with Jordan and whatever the haters say, this has been one of the toughest NBA playoffs ever.

To win in a bubble is the ultimate test of character. No home court advantage despite earning it in the regular season, no fans to give you energy. Just your own efforts mano a mano on equal footing against your opponents.


I see the likes of skip are already bringing up an asterisks because of the injuries to dragic, bam and butler which is ridiculous.
But then again, it's also ridiculous that
Some part of the media and fandom still hold it against steph for beating an underhanded cavs team in 2015.

I agree with most of what you said minus the equal pedestal part. I won't asterisk anything same way I don't asterisk KD's rings, 2015 or any other rings. Everyone played under same conditions. That banter holds no water for me

However you can't be on the same pedestal with the GOAT when you have a player on your squad that can get you 34-9-5.

Jordan never needed a guy 9 years younger and in his prime to compete. Can you imagine what MJ does to any league with a half decent big