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Roland17:
Did anyone watch M. Fultz tonight against the Lakers? The kid looked really really good! He hobbled out before the end of the 4th but he played well from what I saw and he looked trim with great conditioning.

Good for him that he moved to Orlando. The limited pressure and expectations just might have saved his career

chic2pimp:
To be fair to Harden, we are talking about a Two time NBA Champion if not for the Jaggernaut that is the Warriors.

Are you sure they beat a LeNomad led Cleveland? I know they don't beat Kawhi and the Raptors

Giannis - 37pts. 17FGA

Harden - 41 pts. 37FGA

Difference is clear

When are we going to talk about Draymond Green the alleged all-star who had the most to say to KD but is dropping South Sudan numbers. I mean there isn't one statistical category where he has not been mediocre. Even if you're not an offense first guy, these numbers are a farce.

Dropping 5-3-4 on a nightly basis. Smh

donlittle25:
Wouldn’t even put curry above dirk.

No cap

Blame analytical zombies that have made it cool to disrespect Kobe. League MVP, Finals MVP, All-NBA and all-defense and a core member of the last team to win a 3peat.

When you see folly it's best to unlook

One last little factoid

Aaron Rodgers is 2-35 in 4th quarter comebacks against teams with winning records.

Tundesam923:
exactly! Rodgers is not top 5 IMO. Wins have to come into play also...if we were talking maybe who had the highest ceiling as a QB? Rodgers would be top!

Any metric I no wan know. Rodgers is probably more like 7th. Still torn between him and Steve Young. Accurate and mobile

Steve Young was Aaron Rodgers before Aaron Rodgers. Only more mobile. It's almost unfair he never got his own team till like his 7th season or so.

Khanben:
So ball safety is now a bad trait in a QB, Favre had 366 interceptions in his career, can you imagine how many games his teams lost because he was playing hot potatoes with the ball.
At least I know ARod will not lose me the game by giving the other team the ball

I didn't say it was. However if you are risk averse with the ball and unwilling to throw into tight windows and double coverages that is usually the case.

If you want to know why Aaron Rodgers interceptions numbers are low. It's because in his time in the league he has led the league in throwaways 6 times!! The years he didn't lead he was in top 5. Every single year!!

There have been seasons where 10-15% of his pass attempts have been throwaways. Let that sink in! The minute there's no receiver open he just throws the ball away, costing his team a shot at another down. If you want to know why his comeback wins are so few relative to his talent level the easy answer can be found there.

Example of what I'm talking about

chic2pimp:
Hahahaha...Your wahala three much o. While at it you fit add Aikman,Unitas, Bradshaw, Young,RGIII, Warner join sef.

If you like add Tim Tebow e no concern me.

If not for lack of longevity and having Joe Cool ahead you can make a compelling case for Steve Young ahead of Rodgers.

In fact

Brady
Montana
Manning
Elway
Favre
Young

Then you can now talk of Rodgers

Khanben:
Favre ahead of Rodgers, I will personally pick ARod just because of the lack of turnovers.

Brett Favre was a gunslinger. He took more risks than Rodgers or arguably any other QB that ever played but when he was in his prime he was far and away the best QB in the league. He was MVP three years in a row

Unlike Rodgers who would rather throw the ball away when he doesn't have a free WR 50 yards away, Favre would squeeze the ball through that tight window regardless. With Favre it was never over till it was over unlike Rodgers who could for the most part play from the front but rarely ever recovered a deficit

Roland17:
Here we go with goal shifting again, now he is no longer a top 5, what’s next? He is not a top 10. Like it or hate it, he is going to appear on the top 5 of all time on many lists.

You're deliberately going out of your way to misunderstand me.

I have no qualms with anyone listing Rodgers as a top 5 != Me rating or saying Rodgers is top 5.

I've told you I have Brady, Montana, Manning, Favre, Elway ahead of Rodgers

Roland17:
Exactly! If he accepts the Rodgers is a top 5 QB of all time then why can’t I call him the GOAT especially when he would rank top 3 on that top list? The fact that we can entertain that argument is enough prove.
A40 is so DISRESPECTFUL to the GOAT!

Ok I don't accept he's top 5. That one nko

I have Brady, Montana, Manning, Elway, Favre ahead of Rodgers. I for add Marino but he has no rings

chic2pimp:
The fact that You and I amongst many others are having this convo says He should rightly be placed amongst the Upper echeloens of QBs to have ever played the game. After all there will be no debate if there was no truth to it. Also a few comments above you actually said you'd have no qualms if someone placed Rodgers as a Top 5 QB of all time. That alone tells me that He is not overrated as GOAT arguments can be made for pretty much each Member of that exclusive club. Joe Cool,Brady, Manning, Rodgers et al.

Mahomes is ahead of the Curve and in the next decade or so from now, We might very well be mentioning His name as a Top 5 QB of all time however for the time being let us be guided please.

But you can see the argument I'm having is with people that tag Rodgers the absolute GOAT like Roland is doing when he doesn't have the regular nor postseason CV to back it up. At least not compared to Manning or Brady.

I believe the GOAT tier would be Brady then slightly below would be Montana, Manning and slightly below that would now be the likes of Rodgers and Brees. No argument can be made for Rodgers as the greatest QB of all time

Believe you me unless Mahomes discovers crack or picks up deviant behavior, he is the biggest threat to Brady's throne not even Rodgers.

Mahomes is the first QB I've seen that literally has no weaknesses. He has a stronger arm than Rodgers, yet can scramble like Wilson and Deshaun Watson and still be as accurate as Drew Brees.

chic2pimp:
Ahhhh I see your wahala now. Rodgers is being compared to Brady and because in your opinion Brady is better player that automatically makes Him overrated not so? It does not work like that Bro.

Rodgers is overrated. The fact that people have him in the GOAT Convo ahead of the likes of Peyton Manning simply says he is overrated. I get his appeal to the average purist. His play is easy on the eye, however I'm seeing more finesse from this small boy Mahomes than the Aaron Rodgers people are raving about. And believe you me he has an even higher ceiling

I've also noticed people don't like talking about Rodgers chokejobs and failure to deliver in the playoffs like they do with Manning and others, somehow it is always everyone else's fault but Rodgers

Roland17:
Anyone who reads @A40’s post would think Rodgers is playing with 7 pro bowlers! For this season alone, outside of D. Adams who can we say is legitimate threat? Rodgers is doing stuff with Lazard, Kumoro, MVS, Allison and a washed up Graham. Jones is a product of Rodgers and the system so what’s up with the DISRESPECT?

GOAT Brady was winning Superbowls with Danny Amendola and Chris Hogan. Try another excuse dawg.

Wes Welker became an all-Pro under Brady. Wes goddamn Welker an undrafted borderline midget receiver was entering NFL record books thanks to Tom Brady. When you talk of QBs that can bring the most out of average to mediocre receivers don't even go there

Roland17:
Brees has enjoyed the best balance in offense, tearing numerous records, where is he now? Brady and Brees have done their thing, allow the GOAT to do his thing!

He has the best balance on offense yet his #1 WR has 100 more receptions than anyone else? They were so desperate they tried to get Antonio Brown

Anyway I'm not really bothered as I'm pretty sure Aaron Rodgers will join them at home next week as he has been joining them for the past 8-9 seasons

Roland17:
HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE YOU!!
So much DISRESPECT in one post! You better take some of those words back!!!!

Where is the lie? I know the truth is bitter than Guinness but what can we do?

Did Brady not come back from a 25 pt deficit?
Did Rodgers not blow a 16pt lead?
Did Rodgers not lose by 24 pts to the same team Brady beat?
Is Mahomes not more naturally gifted than Rodgers?

Where is the lie?

Khanben:
These are the rankings of Brady's defense the years he won the SB according to Pro football focus.
2001-6th
2003-1st
2004-3rd
2014-8th
2016-1st
2018-7th
So please tell me your source on the 24th defence. The saints did win with the 20th defense but we should remember with all due respect to his regular season heroics it was against probably the biggest choker as a QB in the playoffs Peyton Manning.
The defense stat is not a dogma, but it does give a large correlation score anyway you look at it

PS:Brady is the undisputed goat and the only reason he is not 9-0, is that 2 times the giants pass rush eat him alive and his defense could not stop anybody against Foles.

That's solely for points allowed. Not for passing and rushing defense which factors every other thing including yardage and first downs

This so-called biggest choker Peyton Manning you speak of still got to 4 Superbowls. Of course you could argue he should have gotten to more but what do we now say of the likes of Rodgers who has only been to 1.

It is good that you agree Brady is the best. We have no arguments then

Khanben:
Which SB

Tom Brady's very first win vs the Rams. Drew Brees also won a SB with the 20th ranked defense in 2010. Like I said you don't have any excuses

Roland17:
You are going to have to show me 2 great QB’s that have come back from such deficits then because now you dey shift post! Neither Brady nor Brees have done such in the playoffs so does that mean Mahomes is better than both? I knew you would drink the bottle of DISRESPECT before typing! There is only one GOAT and he lives in Lambeu! Show some RESPECT and you better be nice and pray the 49ers come through.

Are you joking? Did you watch Superbowl LI when GOAT Brady overturned a 28-3 deficit in a quarter and half? Passing for almost 300 yards and Two TDs to get his team back in the game?

Don't compare him to Rodgers. There are levels to this. Small boy Mahomes is showing his working and with a Superbowl or two will easily surpass Rodgers. Right now he is already doing things Rodgers was incapable of doing in his prime and is already the most naturally gifted QB I've ever seen. There is literally no crutch left for your Rodgers to stand

Mschewww. Is it today Aaron Rodgers has started flopping in NFC Championship games? He's either blowing 16pt leads or getting beat by 24pts as per usual. Even you are not holding your breath. Need I remind you they lost 37-8 to this 49ers not too long ago

Khanben:
One guy had the number 1 defense and the other had the number 21 defense. Tony Romo put it best, "there are two constants in SB winning teams a great owner and a great/good defense"

Tom Brady has won a Super Bowl with the 24th ranked defense. Try another excuse.

Drew Brees did it with a 20th ranked defense

Roland17:
If my paddy can compare the GOAT to B. Bortles he would. The man just hates Rodgers and I don’t understand it.
I mean, you can hate a player but be RESPECTFUL about his record. Among his peers, he is the only one standing! The other are out or broken.

What is hatred in me stating Aaron Rodgers is overrated? If you told me for example that Aaron Rodgers is a top 5 QB all time I'm sure nobody would argue with you, not even me. However for anyone to suggest he is better than Tom Brady is erroneous and disrespectful.

Tom Brady did not lead his team to 9 Superbowls to be compared to Aaron Rodgers.

Among what peers? Didn't Rodgers miss the last two playoffs altogether?

Roland17:
You better watch what you say about the GOAT! I knew you would be so DISRESPECTFUL with your comments, Show some RESPECT!
I told you every one in his category has move on from being the center piece of their respective offense, the difference is the GOAT is doing better now. Brady and Brees are both gone and the GOAT is now the Lone Ranger! Put some RESPECT to that name!

Lool which kin nonsense GOAT? Stop over hyping that guy where I'm at. Tom Brady has been to 3 straight Superbowls winning 2. The one he lost he threw 3 TDs and 500+ yards.

Don't compare Tom Terrific to that overrated Aaron Rodgers. He is not fit to hold Tom Brady's cleats. He is not as good as Peyton Manning never mind GOAT Brady

Roland17:
Go and ask long suffering Bears about the 20-0 comeback win in 2018.

We are talking playoffs you're talking regular season against the hapless Bears. The same team that flogged your Aaron Rodgers 44-20, Tom Brady came back from 25 points down to beat. There are levels

chic2pimp:
Hahaha I was waiting for this comment. I knew you were simply just waiting for this game to End.

No mind A40 with his Aaron Rodgers is overrated diatribe

Be honest with yourself. Can Rodgers do what Mahomes did last night? Can he do what Tom Brady did at SB LI?

Come and show me one instance where you were watching a game with an Aaron Rodgers team down 3 scores and you knew his team still had a fighting chance because Aaron Rodgers is at QB?

Isn't AD from Chicago? How are you from Chicago and you support the Packers? Lmaoooo is this guy for real? Lol and KD is supposed to be the cupcake

Roland17:
@A40
Come and pay homage to the GOAT and you better show some RESPECT while doing it!

Lool what nonsense homage? Because he was carried by Aaron Jones against that patchwork Seahawks squad that had to beg a 33 year old BeastMode to come back from retirement we won't hear word again.

We shall see how he fares against a real pass rush. And we will listen to una excuse then

If we're talking about players whose prime was wasted you start with Drew Brees who was saddled with literally the worst defenses in league history. There was a season they gave away 7000 yards (that's not a typo)

That Texans coach and DC need to be fired before the end of the game though. Great as Mahomes is you still shouldn't turn a 24 point lead to a 20 point deficit

Khanben:
Rodgers was that good the packers just had the wrong GM for most of his prime. I remember watching an interview from one of the veteran D-line men who was cut after Rodgers won his first SB he said I am paraphrasing. The GM said they will build the defense from the draft and even if they are not good that Rodgers will carry them, and that stupid decision cost Rodgers his prime.
Imagine if the packers had chased FA through all these years the way they did this off season, Rodgers might have won more than 1.

Nope. Rodgers was never as good as this electricity I'm watching from Mahomes rn. I have seen all of Rodgers. From getting outplayed by old man Kurt Warner in his debut to his one magical run in 2011.

The next year nko? They went 15-1 in the regular season only to get torched by Eli Manning and the Giants at HOME!! After that na back to back L's to Colin Kaepernick of all people both home and away. Then he had the lead and couldn't seal it vs Seahawks. Blew a 16pt HT lead

Got outplayed by Carson Palmer, then completely got wrecked by the Falcons and Matt Ryan.

Don't get me started. I have a laundry list of Aaron Rodgers and his postseason chokejobs and under-performance

And please don't tell me he had no help. James Jones, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson

And before you bring up the defense let me remind you that Tom Brady once took a 31st ranked defense (in yards) to the Superbowl.

Who are the free agents that the Patriots chased when they were winning all those SBs? This ain't the NBA, free agents guarantee you next to nothing more often than not.

Aaron Rodgers is overrated. There is no reason he shouldn't have made more than one Superbowl if he is as great as being purported. I've already seen enough of Mahomes to confidently tell you his peak is and will be higher than Aaron Rodgers, it will be on him to maximize it and looking at him today I wouldn't bet against him.

Patrick Mahomes is the best player in the league. The difference between him and Lamar Jackson we saw it today. You're watching the game and the minute Kansas scored the very first touchdown you knew the Chiefs were back in it despite needing 3 scores. You knew there was too much ball left to play. That's the difference between the Brady's, Mahomes and the rest. The inevitability, the fact that you know your lead is never safe

Khanben:
The Chiefs defense was crap last year and even at that it took Deford lining up offsides for the patriots to win (The patriots deserved the win, just pointing out the circumstances).
IMHO if the chiefs needs to continually invest in the O-line and their pass rush while Mahomes is still playing, they will be contenders each year.

In every game there are always circumstances involved. If Rashad Mendenhall didn't fumble that ball maybe Aaron Rodgers has 0 Superbowl wins by now