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airmark:
Nobody is above correction, your trying to prove you were right, exposed you the more as a nincompoop. Lewis lost his belts to rahman and everyone clamoured for a rematch, which happened immediately. Did joshua take klitshko's belts like rahman did? Lewis didnt fight mccall immediately, in fact he won ibf title before mccall's rematch, just as i suggested for wk. so i dont know why you foolishly gave these two examples for your rematch reasons. You always argue like a dolt. Also you think people must talk about a duel before it happens, you are ridiculous. Who talked about joshua - molina , joshua - martin, joshua - breazle months before they agreed to fight? Lola needs to have a rethink, having dopemu like you as the head of the family, will be the biggest mistake in her life.

You are just a phoolish noisemaking troglodyte. You think Lewis would pass on a chance to face anybody who defeated him belt or no belt? He is one of the few boxers who never failed to avenge a defeat so common sense dictates that Klitschko would at least want to achieve that with one of his conquerors. Which IBF title did Lewis win before fighting McCall? Asinwin analyst. He won that belt from Holyfield. GOOFanti

Stop arguing like an amateur. There are always under G negotiations. It is only in the rare absence of opponents or injuries that last minute fights pop up. A Wilder for example would not be mandated to even fight Klitschko so he holds no ace and cannot challenge for shyte.

I pity the poor children who would have the unique misfortune of your DNA hanging like a noose around their neck. Their future couldn't be dimmer if they were born in Syria

I'm sure apoche cra cra does not even know Joshua is not obliged to give Klitschko a rematch

airmark:
You were still being breastfed, when we were watching haggler, sugar ray, holmes, hearns and co. You just a chest-beating mofo.

See this village eediot. Oniro oshi. You were watching what? Oponu google analyst dey name drop to feel among. Asinwin trying to keep up with the Joneses. Monkey see monkey do

airmark:
You wont make it as a boxer cos you need to make smart decisions while picking fights. Thank God klitschko is not foolish like you. You want a 41 yr old, nearing his exit, to fight fury with no belt at stake, right? Why not parker or wilder and finish on a high as a WBO or WBC champ? You bring your idiocy from soccer, enter boxing. You need to work on yourself bro.

You are senseless. The average boxer always wants a rematch with whoever beat them unless they don't believe in themselves. That is why Lennox fought McCall and Rahman again after losing to them both. Its a matter of pride ode. Besides why would he fight people who already have their mandatory challengers? You are too daft to know how boxing works. Did you hear Klitschko talk about fighting them? I can even understand Parker since he would be fighting for one of his lost belts but the Wilder you mentioned shows high stupidity on your part. Have you heard anybody talk about a Klitschko x Parker, Klitschko x Wilder fight. Bilewu. They need to empty the contents of your cranium and dump it for one orita meta as ebo to the gods

Where Roland? Shey you dey see Penguins? The firepower too much! Only one team Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Hornqvist, Bonino. Then small boys like Rust, Sheary and Jake n Bake Guentzel. Ready to step up. How many teams you know fit score even while shorthanded for play off setting

The Celts have caught another massive break. Though they always matchup well with the Wizards but Markieff Morris getting hurt is a huge loss for the Wiz. Their 3rd best player IMO and one of the game's most versatile bigs

birdman:
I see why its so hard to judge talent. It is amazing to see how mentally tough gordon hayward has gotten. You just cant measure heart

Time to retool the clippers. I hope cp3 heads somewhere...lots of talented young teams that need a floor general. Instead of playing with mr glass that has been injured like 3 playoffs in a row

Hayward worked out with the Mamba last summer. So that killer instinct and mental toughness must have rubbed on him

Would be tough for CP3 to leave and miss out on a super MAX deal. Even for a ring we are talking almost $100m. Where does he even go? I'd move Blake if I were the Clippers and try to get a Paul George. They need to upgrade their swingmen too. J.J Redick has to go! When his 3's aren't falling he is borderline useless. And Mbah a Moute just doesn't give enough offense

Eruditor:
Hahaha. Another danger in using stats in games you did not watch. Are there no regular season games in which Anderson shot less than his 10.8 average? So what are you talking about?

Now since I watched those games let me tell you how those stats work:

Games 1, 2 & 3 Anderson had 18 3-pt attempts and made only 2 and 2 of them were in that game 3 that he had 14 FGAs. In
Games 4 & 5 he had 11 FGAs. In both games combined he got 6 3PA and made only 1. This brought his total 3PA in 5 games to 3 of 24. Now tell me, a player who was 2/18 going into games 4&5 what justifies his extra 6 3PAs if not that his teammates are still giving him the ball?

Even in his most prolific game (game 3) Anderson got as much 3PAs as 2PAs (7) even when it was clear he was faring better with his midrange shots than his 3-pt. In fact, he got the passes more beyond the arc in that game but he kept faking and stepping into the arc to knock 12ft shots. I believe he had only 1 dunk in that game his 5 other 2-pt shots made were by taking the ball from beyond the arc into it to knock midrange shots.

As per Beverley and Tales by moonlight, make I laugh small before I respond . 1) I did not argue any Rockets player did a better job than him 2) asking me to bring another name that did better is disingenuous.

If you recall, you claimed you SAW Beverley force 5TOs from RW and make 7/27 shots in game 5. You said that to argue that Beverley did more of a job on Russell than Roberson did on Harden (essentially saying Houston players were better and so on) but my argument has been that it is Houston's more effective system that did the job on Russell (seeing he refused to pass in the 4th Quarters) and not necessarily about Houston having better players.

If Beverley was left to man mark Russell all series long (without help as Roberson did on Harden), Russell would have averaged 45ppg.

Even at 39% FG compared to 47% FG of his team and 26% 3P compared to 31% of the rest of his team, this is what you call minute?

Let me use a poser to show how ridiculous your assertion is:

Please bring one game in this series where RW made more points than his other teammates combined.

Preposterous!!

OKC are -58 when RW sits, fine. Bring out his +/- in all the 4th Quarters that he played this series so we can justify the above or we can just conclude that anybody can throw numbers about without even understanding the context in which arguments are made.

Oshey Mike Breen abi na Hubie Brown you be? Shebi na Seacaucus you dey work? Anyway your verbose Ted Cruzesque speech don't excite me. Out of 5 games Anderson shot above his season average just ONCE. That means he shot less than that 80% of the time but sit there and be asking me Jamb question. Someone had 18 attempts in 3 games and then just 6 in the subsequent 2 games. A 3 shot per game drop! or did you expect him not to receive the ball at all? Anyway keep repeating your narrative till you are blue in the face. You that liken Nenê to McGee is not who I need to prove anything to, No offense. No be you see Götze dey miss chance for 6th minute for match wey e enter after 70+ minutes. Despite your pedantry you have still failed spectacularly I might add to disprove Anderson shot beneath his regular season average.

You openly claimed Houston woulda beaten OKC even without Beverley. This is with his impressive contributions on offense. You watched the series kwa? But you can't show who defended better. Yet Beverley was not a factor. This is Political Telemundo

The experts paid to gather this data took the time to separate Beverley's defense from that of his teammates but you are here telling Old Wives Tales. Show stats with the double and triple teams. Ariwo ko ni music.

Maybe in your NBA 2K16 game. Westbrook woulda averaged even 450ppg but in the real world. Westbrook shot 25% from the field with Beverley as his defender. FACT

You keep hollerin system. No be players go execute am? Which system is capable of making Pau Gasol good on defense?

Harden and Westbrook essentially have the same 3pt differential between their teammates. Normal FG a 4% difference. Which becomes less profound when you realize Westbrook took more shots. The point is with Westbrook being heavily defended like you claim. Why are his teammates not shooting at a higher clip? Why are they barely shooting better?

Why would Westbrook outscore the entire team? Even M.J didn't do that FFS. How do you even conjure this type of megedefegede?

I don't need to show you his +/- in the fourth. OKC outscore Houston by 16 with Westbrook on the floor they are -58 without him. That shows to any objective human being that he is at least doing his part and more than his fair share to help the team win.

chic2pimp:
A more experienced AJ knocks down a 42yeard old Klitschko early but not a younger and fitter Klitschko.

Fury has always been on the heavy side. Don't think that would ever change. He certainly has the punching power to knock out Fury but I don't know man with his reach advantage, I think He'll be boxing from the outside.

He certainly took one helluva beating last night. Tbh so did AJ. Infact Fury is taunting AJ on twitter saying He's bout was much smoother.

Exactly. So the matter of Klitschko's age really is neither here nor there. Fury didn't knock him down either so for me he is just pissing in the wind and trolling.

I really worry about A.J's chin but he had very useful education last night. Fury would underestimate him at his peril. And I'm very sure Fury can't survive those blows. A.J's handspeed is unreal for a guy his size.

chic2pimp:
Loool.. I just find one pub. The atmosphere even at the Pub was banging.

There was a lot of toing and froing. When Wladmir first got knocked down, I thought it was over then AJ got knocked and this time I was certain it was over. Just could not see a way back as that was the time AJ was starting to struggle fitness wise.

Mate that Uppercut sent chills down my spine. The thing weak me. His lack of endurance was one of things I was most wary off. Never been past round 6 ever and it showed in the later rounds.

I agree. Had He brought this sort of attitude and fighting spirit vs Fury, He would have won. His head and feet movement were impeccable last night. Against Fury, He looked Heavy and a bit disinlnterested

The 180 degree turn from when Joshua knocked Klitschko to when Klitschko returned the favor I don't know if I've ever seen anything like it in recent times.

The way AJ worked his way back into the fight was remarkable. That urgency from Round 10. He knew he needed a K.O and the boldness he showed to go out and get it really impressed me.

Fury dominated but never came close to dropping Wlad. The Wlad I saw last night was mobile and energetic. If I were Klitschko rather than fight AJ again I'd try for a rematch with Fury.

That uppercut me sef wey dey watch am been levitate. Only reason Klitschko is not in I.C.U is because these Eastern Europeans were raised on a diet of distilled vodka and broken glass

airmark:
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See this mumu Apoche cra cra sha. You remind me of those Twitter babes that just discovered boxing and Anthony Joshua yesterday. Je lo bere. You never discover internet when I don dey yarn about boxing for here

Ibime:
Skillset, AJ can't beat Klitschko. And Klitschkos chin is pretty dependable. He hasn't been TKOd for over a decade. So logic follows that I would back Klitschko for the win cos AJ can only beat him by KO.

Make we see if Fury gets back to shape. I would fancy him against AJ. AJ na just clubber Laing. This division ain't shyt bro. My era na the Holyfield, Tyson, Riddick Bowe era. Even the Lewis we considered boring for his low risk, hiding behind his jab approach is more skilled than all these guys.

That's the thing. Skills is good and you can learn that but I've seen pure power win quite a few fights. And you can't teach power. You can't teach that. Especially in the heavyweights. Plus K.O power can bail you out of a lot of unnecessary slugfests. This is part of what inhibited Holyfield asides his size.

On the flipside guys like Bowe and Foreman were not too skilled but what skill would prepare your chin for an overhand right from Riddick? Foreman was beating niggas almost have his age cos Power.

Can you name anybody Klitschko fought in that decade span that threw the kind of blows A.J threw today?

Me sef na O.G for boxing matter but no two generations are alike. No point pining for it. They would be tough to surpass. Even the general impression is that this generation is making small improvements

Like I mentioned for una thread. My main worry with AJ is his cardio and chin. He did better vs Wlad than Fury ever did. Fury's size is also a big liability. Fury cannot eat those punches that fell Wlad either so if AJ sorts his cardio then I fancy him

chic2pimp:
Wladmir has always been the more skilled boxer of the two brothers whilst Vitale was the more mentally and physically tough one. Had Klitschko been 5 years younger, We probably would be talking about a different outcome right now.

Absolutely Fella...The Heavyweight division is slowly regaining it's lost glory.

Fury is running his mouth on twitter ....Fury vs Joshua next it seems

A more experienced AJ probably knocks out Klitschko early. The boy is still quite green and has never faced a Klitschko before

Fury is still a bit too heavy. I can't attest for A.J's chin and cardio yet but if it holds up I'm pretty sure he can knock Fury out. He beat Klitschko but Klitschko did not take much punishment at all. Tonight he took a beating

pamcode:
Raumdeuter, A40 congrats I heard you guys have won the Bayern Liga AGAIN with 3games to spare.

Oshay Brotherly wetin we go do nau. Na our birthright. Though we wanted more but it wasn't to be

Eruditor:
Anderson had 10 shots per game in his first 3 games in the series compared to 11 per game in the regular season - big difference.

Beverley's impact is one reason why people who know stuff say stats don't always tell the whole story. If Harden and Bev are trying to box Russell out and Beverley strikes the ball off Russell's hand in the sequence he is credited the steal but someone actually watching the game would have seen Harden's handiwork in making that steal possible. If that was lost on you, it is one of those things, no sweat.

Harden was 41% at FG, rest of his team? 45.6%
Harden was 24% at 3pt, rest of his team 28.4%

Compare that to Russell that was 39% at FG while his teammates were on 47% and 26.5% at 3pt while the rest of his team were 31%.

In every angle even the stats scream, "Russell use your teammates more!" But no..

Just about any RANDOM article on how the series went would have an excerpt just like this:

What didn’t go well for the Thunder?
Westbrook was looking to distribute early on and recorded a triple-double before the half as the Thunder jumped out to yet another early lead. Again, this looked to be the best possible version of the Thunder, and again things fell apart in the second half.
Westbrook looked for his shot more coming out of the break, recording only four assists for the remainder of the game. But it was another inefficient shooting performance for the MVP candidate.

This statement was made after game 4 but you can substitute it for all their losses and it would come out the same.

I mean damn near every article I have read has a paragraph or 2 mirroing exactly what is above. But Russell thinks he is MJ meets Curry meets Lebron so he tries to do it all alone and when his team loses, people turn around and blame them. That is just....ridiculous.

Anderson

Game 1 - 1/6
Game 2 - 1/8
Game 3 - 8/14
Game 4 - 1/6
Game 5 - 1/5

So what are you stil arguing please? You can see that in 5 games he only shot double figures ONCE! and way below his season average. So your Anderson example is rigor mortis. It is ludacris to keep pumping role players the ball when they are cold.

All this one you dey yarn na Tales by moonlight. You can't show another defender who did a better job on Westbrook individually and back it up with any stats. I no dey for your Telemundo analysis

Common sense dictates that a Westbrook attracting that much defensive scrutiny would shoot lower than his teammates. Even at that volume you can see the difference is minute. So what is your assurance that they do better with a higher workload?

OKC are -58 when Westbrook sits but keep focusing on minimal and borderline negligible shooting percentage differentials

Ibime:
I thought Klitschko would win but wasn't sure if it was already prearranged for him to lose. But from the weighin, you could see he had trained seriously for the fight.

Anyway, congrats to Joshua. Heavyweight division is nothing to get too excited about these days sha.

Lmao haba. And miss out on tying Ali? Wlad no go gree that one. I felt AJ would win by verdict of his youth and power. I've seen Klitschko taken the full 12 by lesser talents and lower K.O power. Abi no be him Samuel Peters nearly beat? Abi he even beat am sef.

This was the best heavyweight fight since Wilder x Stiverne if not better. I think the division is coming back

Roland17:
I was very proud of AJ, although his inexperience nearly punished him in round 5 when he was out of gas. He came out with multiple combinations in the early minute of the 5th and succeeded in knocking WK, however, WK showed by he was a renowned power puncher afterwards.

Fighting and winning past the 7th round was very important for AJ especially if he wants to have a successful heavy weigh career. He was on uncharted waters after the 7th round and he held him own. You have to agree with me that a younger WK would have killed AJ, but credit to the lad. Joshua's conditioning needs a lot of work, as he was gassed by the 5th round, for a 27 year old, that is troubling.

This was his biggest fight in his professional career since the Olympics, he was fighting at home against a semi retired WK. I hope he gets more opportunities especially in the US.

I knew the lack of experience was going to be an issue. He's been a pro for just 4 years, he started very late too.

He is still relying on pure talent and instinct. As he grows older he would improve in strategy and alter the approach for each fighter. I think the weight also hurt him. He was 10lbs heavier than Wlad and it showed. He needs to shave off some lbs

Klitschko fought better than I saw him do against Fury. And yes I agree a younger Wlad woulda put AJ out. Deontay Wilder sef for kill am for that Rd 6-9 window

Talk2bryant:
Pls educate me on the home cooking, I think the fight was rigged

Home cooking is very real. Kovalev vs Ward and Bradley vs Pacman I are recent examples. You even have instances when the fight is not just in the beneficiary's country but all 3 judges share the fighter's nationality

Roland17:
At 41, W. Klitschko has slowed down, and may not possesses the power punch the Ukrainian is renowned for, however, i still think he has the experience to win this fight.

The Boy did IT! But only just! The sheer gulf in experience nearly showed but I was just too sure the blows would be too much for Klitschko

chic2pimp:
A40 shey u dey watch the fight?

I watch am from pali to pali. I wouldn't have forgiven myself if I missed that fight.

Joshua nearly fall my hand walahi. Between Rounds 6-9 he looked dead and buried. Even after dropping Klitschko he froze and looked wasted.

I always felt Joshua had too much power in his blows to not floor Wlad at least once. Did you see that uppercut? What I underestimated was his inexperience. It was a priceless endurance lesson he learned today

Props to Klitschko. If he fought like this against Fury he would still be champ. He needs to retire though. Going for a rematch would be suicide.

Upnepaa:
Bayern win league,nobody fy come celebrate bcus it is soo normal....

Its tough to be in celebratory mood after the events of the past two weeks. Let's just say we were hoping for a little more.

Shame inasmuch as I loathe Rondo. His injury just drained the life out of the Celts vs Bulls series and killed it as a contest. Want to see if they have an answer for John Wall. The guy is on some other shyte in terms of scoring and efficiency, the whole nine

Eruditor:
LOL. I proved you did not watch those games. You used uppercase to claim by himself in game 5 and I showed you it was over the whole series. The point was to show you that if you watched those games you would have seen it.

And I did not argue with the stats they presented I simply interpreted it better. Beverley did not force 5 TOs out of Russell in one game. Beverley did not make Russell shoot 7/27 in game 5. We can agree that that is a fact and the telemundo version would be the argument that Beverley did all that BY HIMSELF in game 5.

Again even routinely watching Ximo Pierto or NBA conference's highlight reels will show bodies on Russell almost each time he went for a layup or dunk. I cannot believe this is being argued.

Then as per Oladipo, you don't want to accept that he has never been a catch and shoot player. He is forced to play that way when Russell is on the court. Sure, Oladipo did not shoot well but neither did Russell in the 4th quarter. So why absolve him and blame the rest of his mates because he had 15/34 or 18/40?

How do coaches know Lebron can influence a game or that Ray Allen should shoot the last shot? How did Lue know Harrison Barnes will be 5/32? Is it not something they devise and if it fails it fails? So what is wrong in assuming that Mike did same? Or he could not because WB must be exonerated by all means?

You that saw the Rockets keep pumping the ball to Ryan Anderson despite taking fewer shots than his regular season average is claiming you proved I didn't watch the game. Wehdone sir

Lost in translation is your inability to prove Patrick Beverley was not the Rockets singular most important and impactful defender on Westbrook.

You are talking random highlights we are talking actual stats dedicated to each player's individual contributions. Smh

Why do you have this annoying habit of crediting me with statements I didn't make? Am I not the one who likened Oladipo's game to Wade's, Giannis? I don't need you to explain Oladipo's playing style to me. Show us how many catch and shoot shots Oladipo had to make, or how often he got the ball late in the clock. So we might at least see if you even have an argument.

I'm sure if we check Harden's shooting compared to his teammates it might be even worse than Westbrook's. Drawing less attention shouldn't Westbrook's teammates be shooting at a higher clip?

I no dey for your 'what if' assumption Telemundo. Last I checked you are not a Rockets coaching staff

birdman:
After wetin klitcshko do my man samuel peter? Na joshua na.

Joshua got quicker hands but klitschko has more knockout power. I think thats why Joshua is weighing in 10lbs more...im betting its all muscle so he can put more firepower behind his quick shots

Naa can't even remember the last time Klitschko knocked anybody out. Unless Joshua's chin is made from papier mache he should be upright

Joshua looks jacked! Just like Fury he has the edge in size. Would be disappointed if Joshua doesn't send Klitschko into retirement. Even Samuel Peter knocked Klitschko down thrice in their first fight before they involved home cooking

Umtiti ko Umbooty ni. You no like Umkobothi. Anuofia

This ewure of misfortune known as apoche cra cra is just too daft

Anyway all my boxing niggas. Joshua x Klitschko. Who ya got?

Cc Nihilist, Ibime, Afrodoc, Chic2pimp

Roland17:
At 41, W. Klitschko has slowed down, and may not possesses the power punch the Ukrainian is renowned for, however, i still think he has the experience to win this fight.

I haven't seen Joshua really go the full length so its hard to tell what his cardio and chin is like. But the guy dey throw blow abeg oh. He tends to be a bit wild with it but if he can land his punches with accuracy he could even land a K.O.

Klitschko at this point is just a jab n grab merchant tbh. If he couldn't knockdown Fury, Haye even Samuel Peters then I doubt he can knockdown Joshua. Anything can happen sha but I wouldn't take Joshua serious if he doesn't win this fight.

chic2pimp:
Dude does not even turn 29 until december so there is still a bit of time left. A bargain for a player of his calibre. They are few and far inbetween. It might have been excessive in the past but in the current market i'm afraid it's not

Instead of paying £60m for 29 year old Sanchez with one year on his deal I would rather pick Heung Min Son from Tottenham for £35m. Or pay €80m for Mbappe. Players young and with plenty resell value. Infact by the time you factor wages it becomes lucid that its just not a smart deal

And all my boxing niggas. Joshua x Klitschko. Who ya got?

SIRcumalot:
i suspect part of the reason why the cavs blew those last games to lose the first seed is to avoid this wizards team.

Smart choice. Its all mental for the Wizards. They for me are still the only team that can beat the Cavs ATBE.

Especially if X-factors like Markieff show up.

That Wall and Beal combo is too lethal.

Eruditor:
LOL, My guy said musings and opinions - no sir. I watched those games. Houston threw bodies at RW and although Beverley was usually part of the double team, he was rarely ever alone. Don't let the stat sheets hoodwink you.

I can prove you are pointing those misread statistics as facts. In game 5, Russell did not shoot 7/27 on Beverley (you misunderstood what ESPN meant). It was over the whole series. Also, 5 TOs in game 5 caused by Beverley? No my man, it was over the whole series again.

Like I said, to prove my point again, Russell had 47 points in that game and was 15/34. If ESPN meant Russell got 27 points on 7/27 in that game alone it means he was 8 of 7 with the remainder of his shots. This is a statistical impossibility.


http://www.espn.com/blog/houston-rockets/post/_/id/4076/rockets-win-series-as-beverley-battles-westbrook

I repeat: Houston used double and sometimes triple teams on him. Watch the games to fact-check what I am saying.


I don't want to make an unnecessarily long post but I would state what I meant by coaching and system.

So if OKC kept getting leads with their starters outplaying Rocket starters in virtually all the games, can we then conclude OKC had better starters than the Rockets?

What if I say it was D'Antoni's strategy to put his better players on the bench (one could argue that Gordon, Nenê and Lou are better than Ariza, Capela and Beverley) and then use the first unit to tire RW so that when he rested, the "bench" could do the damage? What if that was how he prep'd his team to play against OKC?

Russell's poor shooting usually occurred in the 4th quarters, which one could argue he was fatigued then. What if that was Mike's plan knowing Russell would opt to play hero ball?

You can say what you will about systems. Some coaches adapt depending on what they have at their disposal while others don't. Some have various offensive schemes to throw when they need buckets while some rely on their superstars to bail them out. If you do not see the intricate details the same way, that is perfectly fine. That goes for Lue, kerr, Pop and so on.

And BTW, without Beverley, Houston still wins the series neat.

Ol boy I should take your opinion over that of designated statisticians? I tire oh. There are stats that distinguish between Beverley and other teammates defensive efforts and you want me to accept your Telemundo. Beverley singlehandedly forced more turnovers than his teammates. Westbrook shot 15% lower while being guarded by him but keep talking about double and triple teams as if people compiling can't tell the difference.

And those leads were down to who? You mean D'Antoni sets his team to chase the game every time? Is he psychic to know Oladipo would shoot 4/17? Are you hearing yourself at all? D'Antoni knew Nene would shoot 100%? Coaches in typical game situations just go with the hot hand or hot rotation as the game rolls along. That is why Dwight Howard tonight did not play the entire 4th quarter of an elimination game. This is not football, the starter/bench concept is not the same. Certain players are just on the bench for show and vice versa. That is why Lue can sit Love and Kyrie the entire 4th quarter of a playoff game

Anyway I no dey for your unverifiable 'What if' Telemundo.

Eruditor:
Nobody said players don't matter. But good players in a bad system will amount to the same - failure. Instead of all the superficial analysis about how RWs teammates let him down, I am showing you how his own game play and Donovan's give-it-to-WestBrook system contributed more weightage.

By my logic the HOFers you mentioned are HOFers for a reason and Nenê, like Javale will never be. So the people telling us how great he is, may need to pipe down with the histrionics.

There is no sense in passing to someone who is free and shoots better than you because he is 1/12. Okay. You did it yourself and your team still lost but you revert, and say the fault belongs to the 1/12 guy. Now that is funny.

Good players can make a bad system and inept coach look good. I asked a simple question. What was Donovan's system when Durant was there? Spoelstra for Heat nko? What is Enrique's system at Barca?

You are focusing on RW and the coach. Good. I'm focusing on the glaring incompetence of his teammates and how even a perfect game from Westbrook did not guarantee an OKC win. By the time I whip out +/- stats for Harden and Westbrook you would start telling stories that touch.

But that is essentially their game. Based on your definition they are also incapable of generating their own offense. Cedric Ceballos & Mike Conley would probably not make Hall of Fame. Doesn't mean D.J Mbenga and Sasha Vujacic are better or comparable. Anyway na Golden State I blame because McGee woulda been in China and you won't be here commiting sacrilege

Lmao Oladipo drawing inferior coverage is shooting 8% in a game you are chasing but pass him the ball. As if if Oladipo kept missing you wouldn't flip the script and blame Westbrook for not taking over. That is the beauty of sports sha. Where one player gets the blame for others not doing their job.

SmooshCHN1:
It's unfair to hold Westbrook totally accountable for OKC's loss. There's Donovan who as a professional should've known that one man army won't get them anywhere, or would be detrimental to the development of other players. His roster management was very very poor and Westbrook seemed fine with it since he kept having a good game. That didn't look mature to me being that you've been in the league for 9 years. Hope they play to their full potential next year.

What would you have had him do? Come out and put his teammates on blast like Wade and Butler did? Pull a hissy fit like LeBron did.

How would you have preferred he aired ìs grievances? What difference would it have made. Maybe he wanted to be the martyr but I want to know what a public complaint would have achieved that wouldn't make him look like a whiner and a bad teammate

John Wall is such pure joy to watch mayne

birdman:
I no know ooo A40 is refusing to repent of his MVP pick in spite of the obvious Of course the loss is not all on westbrook, but he is the primary PG. Anyone with unbiased eyes can see Oladipo was never really comfortable. those are issues coach and westbrook should have worked out during regular season.

Harden was my pick for MVP. But I can't see what is happening ojukoroju and not talk. Houston can win with Harden playing at 50%, Westbrook needs to be at 90%

The most makes Oladipo made in the series was 7, that is less than Anderson's best. Anderson was Houston's 5th best player on offense

Oladipo was incompetent not uncomfortable on both ends of the floor. Non factor on defense and offense but the coach and Westbrook must get blame

Donlittle:
Harden comes out of the game, nene comes in, and does damage on the offensive end. Westbrook goes to the bench, Kanter comes in, and banter gets bullied by Nene and co. A 6pt lead turns into a deficit like you said. How is that Russell Fault? Yes we can say Houston Management got better players to help out Harden, but why blame Russell for his franchise incompetences? That's unfair to him.

Is it not the same game we watched where Lou Will came right after Harden let the game while Houston was down and dropped about 10-12 points in 2 minutes? Russell left a game, Norris Cole came in, and missed three shot back to back to back, turned the ball over, got bullied on defense, didn't make a pass that led to an assist, but we are supposed to get on russ for coming back into the game and and try to pass the same ball around again? Hmm nice one.

Some people here are talking, as their team take good reach, they still went after Kevin Durant in the summer just because barnes missed 20 shots or how many did he missed? But want to tell me Russell Westbrook should be blamed for Andre Roberson make 2 out of how many free throws? Oladipo not being able to run the point, or Norris Cole playing like he suddenly can't play basketball? Or Enes Kanter and Adams letting Nene give them the footwork like he is Hakeem? Nice.

Nene, Gordon, Williams all bench players and able to create their own shot. Veterans who have been in this scenario and can carry the team for stretches offensively. Anyways when ninjas start comparing Nenê to McGee I shoulda known it was time to take a hike. Opelope Golden State laye McGee

I remember that Lou Williams example clearly I was so mad because I took a prop bet on him for u16.5 and my bet looked safe till the bast@rd rattled 10pts in 2mins. I was already dreaming of my Yeezy Belugas. Na him person dey tell us about system and Harden making everybody better as if they were nobodies before Houston

D'Antoni the one trick pony don turn to genius because 'system' Someone internationally maligned for his defense is suddenly an expert that conjured a defensive system able to stop Westbrook. Orisirisi.

Even elastic get him yield point.