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Roland17:
I don't see any team stopping Madrid from the trophy.

Juve would beat this team with a ref that is not biased. Even CAF Champions League no bad reach this one. I thought I was watching Ifeanyi Ubah

This ojoro is blatant and what we all saw

Una no go talk of Hummels wey dem give show me your number. The ref had destroyed a balanced game with his officiating anyway. The result means nothing. Proud of my boys

Lol this is a phuckin joke. That was offside clearly

This ref oh! Why is Casemiro still on the pitch. Another one

This ref is just a phucking bast@rd. Ancelotti too shoulda taken Vidal out after that 2nd goal

Roland17:
You beat me to this post. No vex say we make u lose money. To imagine we were 2-0 up by the start of the 3rd quarter was what made me feel worse, to chop sef come tire me. I stayed awake until midnight into overtime, when Kevin Fiala sealed the punishment.

Joe Quenneville needs to change the offensive line when Toews is leading. The star of the series for me has been Pekka Rinne, my goodness, he has become the "Wall of Berlin". Dude is saving every thing that comes his way.I am not giving up just yet, i have been a hawk fan for too long to know that. Scoring yesterday was the only positive, hopefully we can convert that to a W.

As for the Caps, i think they would still win that series. They just need Ovechkin to show up, hopefully in game 4, as he has been missing in action. This season NHL playoff's just tire me. But like i said, i am not throwing in the towel just yet on the Blackhawks.

You guys have been a huge letdown. Its bizarre that una fit go 7 periods without a goal with guys like Patrick Kane in the lineup. The likes of Panarin, Hossa are the wildcards not doing their jobs as well. If you want to know why I dey so confident with the Penguins its because I know guys like Bonino, Rust,Guentzel,Sheary can step up if Sid is struggling. I think una goaltending is also poor. In Games 1 and 2

Capitals na regular season merchants me I know them wella. They are a mentally fragile outfit. What is worse they are facing a young team way ahead of schedule with no playoff failure bogging them down and its worse cos they have a coach who has won The Cup. I fear for the Caps cos for one I know they are not winning 3 straight so Game 7 must dey

Boateng and Hummels are starting. Unfortunately so are Ribery and Alonso. I would have much rather we played Müller and Costa tbh. Anyhoo the beauty for me today is the simplicity of the kind of result we need. Just two goals! If we can score more no problem. Plus we don't even need a clean sheet

Setpieces would be crucial again. Hummels this na where you fit make yourself useful

I want to also see some magic from Thiago. If you believe you are the best midfielder in Europe this is your shot.

Madrid would everly give us chances and I'm hoping we can execute because belief ain't enough.

The history of Bayern is fraught with numerous chokejobs. Carlo has dropped a few as well. Time to set the records straight. 16 years since a W at the Bernabeu is far too long. It ends tonight

BAYERN. GBERAAAAAAAAA

Poor Melo. So that woman still leave am. Person wey he wan fight Garnett on top oh

Roland17:
Haha!!!!!, Bring the Pegs on (If they even make it out)!!!

They looked good on the ice last night against the blue jackets, and Malkin showed why he is one of the best Centerman in the league with 2 assists. That being said, they are not defeating the dynamic duo of T.J Oshie and A. Ovechkin in the eastern conference finals. The caps have been perennial disappointments during the post season, however, this season looks entirely different, kind of reminiscent of last season for the Penguins. The Caps have speed in offense, force in defense and brute power when needed.

As for the west, i watched the Blues v Wilds last night also, and i don't see how any of both can stop the Blackhawks. The Blues with Taresenko were lucky at Minnesota because Jake Allen was magnificent in the post. The Blackhawks have an easier ride to the finals in comparison to the Pegs. We have a blend of youth and experience. P. Kane, J. Toews, M. Hossa and B. Seabrook are super stars with play off experience. The only teething problem for the Blackhawks, especially in the playoff's has been goal tending with C. Crawford. He can be very inconsistent in the post season. Last season, he said he was trying too hard and lost focus, but he can also be great when he does not lose focus.

The Ducks are the only team i worry about in the western conference because they are quite scrappy.

Hahahahaha. Wetin do your Blackhawks nau. I even thought you guys would steal a win yet you blew a 2-0 lead and cost me $250. All your prediction na offside oh. P.K Subban has made Jonathan Toews his beech. I had that feeling you would struggle with the Blues but it looks like y'all might not even get there.

The Capitals sef don dey capitulate as usual. See ehn some things will never change. I hope they have a 7 game series while my Penguins without Letang, Kunitz, Murray and Hagelin sweep past the Jackets

Roland17:
When Joe got the ball, i knew it was over. J. Johnson is in the mold of P. Pierce when it comes to being clutch. The Clippers should have doubled Joe immediately he handled the ball, but they left him with Crawford.

They put Jamal Crawford on Joe Johnson. Crying in disrespect.

Unfortunate Gobert picked up that injury so early. Wanted to see him son DeAndre very badly

Donlittle:
Thomas has heart. Al Horford plays like he is 5'2.

Lmao I don table this guy matter tey tey. He actually tried in the first half but I don know am since his Hawks days. He is too passive. Which is a damn shame. With his size and versatility 14pts and 6 rebs is unacceptable for a guy getting max.

There is talk Thomas might miss Game 2 to pay his last respects to his sister

SIRcumalot:
the series don go Memphis make we dey watch.
those last two games no help at all but e go still happen.

This Grizzlies team would need a miracle. They have no one that can stop or slow down Kawhi. And what's worse even Tony Parker is playing well. This their grit n grind pattern makes their offense a struggle and painful to watch. Having guys like Green and Kawhi that can smother Conley is another problem

birdman:
I feel like Bulls are a better playoffs team than Celtics if healthy. Celtics are#1 in the east partly because they they play like the western conference and have the young legs to keep it up. In the playoffs though, hustling is a given, and you have to be able to plod through games and take account of each possession. Bulls may have less skilled players, but they are great system, possession by possession players - I think this is a first round upset coming up for Celtics-Bulls. If anything, I think the emotions actually help Celtics here - they need to blow the Bulls out of the water right from get go and REFUSE to be lured into snooze ball.

Too many passengers in that Celtic team. They might be the worst #1 seed in history. The Bulls shot badly up till the 4th quarter and were still in control. The likes of Horford and Johnson were killed on the boards. Btw how is that Johnson dude a starter?

Eruditor:
This is what is very intellectually dishonest- Pato, Aubemayang were signed at the same age as Sane and Gabriel. There are other names like Ibrahim ba etc. They were added to City (4th and Semis) same as Milan (3rd and Winners) but somehow Milan should be allowed to finish 5th and 2nd round to inferior AFC while City should finish first and win the UCL. I can keep doing this but you would keep changing the terms and conditions.

I cannot believe you are asking me when last a french team got to a final as your defence of the City /PSG argument. So because CFC got to a final in 2012 Leicester is elite? Or because ATM got to a final, Sevilla is elite in the CL? SMH

I have just shown you that PSG is the most decorated team in France. The richest. Only 1 of 2 french teams to win anything in Europe. Have been seeded top team in Europe between 1994-98. What is in Man City's 2-page history?

And Yes CFC was only recently treated as a Pot 1 team going by the old rules. I remembered Mou complaining in 2007 or so that CFC had consistently gotten to the semis since 2003/04 yet they kept getting into Pot 2 and facing Barcelona and co in the group stages while AFC were always in Pot 1. It was a few years after that they became a Pot 1 team. I only hazarded a guess and said 4 years because they were UEFA champs in 2012. If they got topseeded it did not happen earlier than 2007.

See what I mean? Now you have gone to first leg as if Milan could not have drawn the 2nd leg 0-0. And what about Almunia? A back-up keeper comes on because Lehman is red carded...I am lost like what is happening here? Aging Milan that won the UCL only a year before?

Game was balanced till the sending off? Hahahaha. So the tie was not balanced until Ramos scored 2 headers against the run of play?

Ajax experience must always be juxtaposed with the team they played against which is Milan. That is how you can compare Monaco to City. Milan was far more experienced than Ajax and still lost. RM far more experienced than Porto and still lost. So the experience talk for City is dead and buried.

I am not debating Iniesta. Thanks.

Where did I mention Pep and utillization? You are the one imagining things. I am showing you that Robben and co did not play as well as they did against AFC and Dortmund. What is your defence of Carlo for this? What are you now changing topic for by bringing Jupp, defense and predictability.

Hahaha. I am laughing hard @ Costa and Boateng. I can bring comments of fellow Bayern fans echoing the same statements I made but no need.

Ok he mismanaged Gotze? Fine. Carlo nko? Since Pep is a fraud. Carlo and Tuchel?

But he beat Barca and ATM (Simeone called the hardest tie of his career) or the teams played rubbish in those games?

Where did Carlo lose more games? Pep lost 2 league games in his debut. Carlo has only lost 2 ditto for CL. Carlo won the DFL Cup. Pep was thrashed 4-2.

Bwahahaha. A team trying to retain the CL signs Pato, Ibrahim Ba and Aubamefuqinyang. You even get liver mention their name. I'm crying fam. Age? Sane has been playing top flight BuLi football for two years. Try again. Milan were a declining team that never strengthened adequately. City did with almost £200m. You have no argument

That speaks of the overall quality of the league. So if you opt to misunderstand me deliberately that isn't my problem. A league where only two teams have ever won a major trophy. That you cannot proudly point out the last year a team from that league got to a CL Final yet you are telling me PSG is the richest. So?

Hahaha. PSG won just 1 League title between 94 and 98. Stop these lies. Or at least make you dey look Uche face before dropping them. You dey really fall my hand. How can you be talking about Europe when they weren't even the best in France. I don tey pass Schnapps for this game

Wetin concern me with where UEFA seed Chelsea? Between 2004-2012 Chelsea were one of the top performers in Europe. Only Barca can categorically boast they were better

Shoulda woulda coulda but Lehmann did his job. Where did Milan finish in the league that year? You are making my argument for me and you don't een know it

E say na against the run of play. Madrid that came close to scoring twice before the Ramos goal. I don't expect you to know sha. You that saw Götze miss chance after 6 mins in the first leg

That Milan side were also on the decline. They were dethroned by Juve in the Serie A as well. Ajax had trophies, Monaco had zilch. There is nothing like relative comparison there.
Dortmund and Arsenal have not won the CL twice in 3 years.

Costa has been poor since the back end of last season carrying on to this season. That is why he is being linked to China. Boateng battled injuries coming into this season and still is. Any Bayern fan blaming their struggles on Carlo is not paying attention. Show and prove

airmark:
I have declared tomorrow, reading day. That stvpid ajakaja40 can type 1000 jargons per minute from morning to night. The energy needed to satisfy lola is what he is using to disturb everyone on nairaland.

Olowo audio. You are just a phoolish and m0ronic individual. Airborne nuisance

Eruditor:
Alonso has 3UCL final appearances. He has won 2. A world cup, 2 Euros. Alcantara played a game for Barca in the 10/11 UCL tell another tale. He won 4 La ligas. Also won super cup and world club cup plus a Euro trophy. Vidal won titles with Juve and Chile. And they are bundesliga table leaders. This combination is what you are comparing to Casemiro (coming back from a loan to Porto, Modric and Kroos)?. No way. Spin another tale.

Dominance that led to a loss.

I do not understand what Pep has to do with anything in my post and that you are responding to. Another distraction I have to ignore. Robben and Ribery causing Havoc against Dortmund totally places them as favorites ahome (where they have not lost since 2014 in the UCL) against a BBC that had not scored in almost forever.

Sure conceding from setpieces is an indictment on the coach but conceding a goal by CR7 which then forces Bayern to come out to get another goal thus allowing Madrid to counter-attack which necessitated Javi's fouls on CR7 (To stop the counter attack) is not an indictment on the coach.

Did Madrid 2 days ago not have like 3 corners in the first half too? Did they not have freekicks too?

Alonso is 35!! If we are going by your definition we might as well put Zidane on the pitch. A player is way past their prime and you are listing their laurels won? How does that influence actual performance on the pitch?
Alcantara played a game? Where did I say he didn't play a game? Tom Starke also played a game. Thiago left Barca because he was a spare tire. If he wasn't we wouldn't be able to afford him so stop listing trophies won as a benchwarmer. They make a mockery of your analysis. And which Euro did Thiago win oh? Egbami!!

Madrid are the best team in Europe this season, powered by that midfield. If you like keep holding on to past glory

Dortmund are not Madrid. Stop these amusing Papi Luwe comparisons. Only JJC analysts would put Bayern as favorites vs Madrid

Javi's fouls were out of self inflicted stupidity. Even the worst Anti Enrique person can identify a Mathieu or Andres Gomes blunder from tactical faux pas

Eruditor:
LOL. I am not astonished that Neuer was rushed back. You claimed Carlo did not want to rush Costa back as your excuse for defending him for starting an older Ribery. And I am adducing Neuer's rushed return as a reason your excuse does not work. If Carlo was confident in Costa as he was in Neuer he would have rushed him back. Lewa will be rushed back as well on Tuesday even though he will cover a lot of ground with an aching shoulder.

In otherwords Carlo started who he trusted and your constant reference to Ribery's age won't work.

I have not contested Lewa's importance because I saw what he could do before he got injured. In the same way I can make the same argument for Gundogan and Jesus before they got injured. Tweak anything you want to tweak, the replacement for Lewa will not be as good because at the moment, he is the best at what he does. You make the argument for Carlo but are quick to talk about Pep's signings. Forgetting that Sané started off injured- same as Gundogan who played for a bit then packed up for the rest of the season. Jesus came in January and got injured 4 games in. 3 of these players account for almost £100M that he spent.

Fergie and Mancini? Hahahahahahahaha. Don't go there they outspent everyone.

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/roberto-mancini-faces-325m-manchester-859046.amp

I want to assume you know a bit about sports science else you wouldn't be comparing a goalie with ankle problems to a winger with knee issues. Lewa is healthy. He would have been rushed if he played last week. Even last weekend Costa was removed at the hour mark. Always compare like for like. In the hierarchy of injuries knee injuries are the most severe. I don't need to explain this to you

Gundogan was a permacrock at Dortmund anybody signing him and banking on his fitness clearly didn't do their homework. Sane has been around for more than half the season. The only notable absentee is Jesus and there is no evidence that suggests he would have outperformed Agüero. Stone and Bravo alone combined for almost £80m so you are essentially telling us Fraudiola has spent almost £200m with nothing to show

Fergie did not outspend anybody in his first season. Try another lie. Even the Mancini you listed you can clearly see the likes of Hughes and much earlier Eriksson contributed to that £320m warchest

SIRcumalot:
the grizzles will take two games at least, they match-up well with the spurs,no small ball type stuff. spurs bench quality will eventually win the series.



Me70 will have to leave the Knicks now.

Where the Grizzlies wan see offense to survive the Spurs. Unless Kawhi and Aldridge are hurt that sweep is too sure

birdman:
btw...anyone wanna post their predictions on first round matchups? Jazz in d playoffs is confusing me

West

Warriors vs Blazers: Sweep.

Spurs vs Grizzlies: Sweep.

Rockets vs Thunder: This would actually be a competitive series. I think the duel should determine who wins MVP. I'd give Harden but wouldn't be too mad if Westbrook gets it. I just think the Rockets offense would be too explosive for OKC. This has a 7 game series potential. I am leaning towards 4-2 or 4-3 Rockets

Clippers vs Jazz: Even without the injuries that have plagued the Jazz. I just think they don't matchup well enough to bother the Clips. But Clips gon Clips. Still I would pick the Clippers 4-2

Eruditor:
So Neuer was not rushed back?

The fact is you understand my point but there is an inexplicable mist that is preventing you from accepting something so clear as day that your responses are ebbing almost away from common sense.

All the hypotheticals are adding a tiring sensation to your posts. Everything I am saying is based on status quo. I expected you to be as frontal with Carlo as you were with Pep but the excuses are sounding conjectured. For instance, if Lewa and Vidal got injured after their 5th game this season will anyone be amiss to say Bayern missed their contributions? What will be your response to someone who said Lewa + Vidal is not up to the goals CR7 scored when both players in question only played 5 games before their injury?

So Ferguson and Mancini that did not win the EPL in their first seasons are failures? What sort of illogic is that? Like I said, this discourse has veered off too far from Carlo and Bayern so I would leave all the excesses on City for the sake of the central issue which is- in every angle, as far as Bayern is concerned under Carlo so far they have underwhelmed in many instances including losing to RM ahome in an important game. I am curious as to why instead of placing the club above any individual and scathing Carlo as you did Pep you are almost imagining reasons to let him off. It simply shows (and even though it is your prerogative) that a lot of the bashing-punditry that one or two directed toward Pep here was emotive piffle. I think my point has been made.

Anybody that watched that game can understand why Neuer was rushed back. Also you can't compare a goalkeeper who covers less ground to an outfield player, a winger for that matter who needs to cover a lot of ground while dealing with a Knee injury. That I have to explain all this can be very frustrating

What is the rationale behind mentioning a Gundogan that had been injured since October? Why would I be talking about Vidal and Lewa getting injured in August when you have time to tweak your formation, buy players and what not. How do you compare that to a player that missed a game on the eve of it. When that player has scored almost 60per cent of your goals. Both are bad but one is significantly worse than the other. I don't believe I have to be explaining this to any experienced pundit

Ferguson and Mancini did not outspend their rivals Uncle!! If Pep is sacked tomorrow his stay in England would have been adjudged a failure. Emi o raye ejo. That is the fact on ground.

As for Carlo when I have seen sufficient reason to attack him I will. When Pep was hired you no defend him signing reach me so cool down well well

Eruditor:
See the arguments about the players? You are the one who is almost dancing palongo. Even if you wanted to use trophies- Alonso, Alcantra and Vidal have numerous league titles, a world cup, Euro, 2 Copa Americas, UCLs etc between them. I am now getting a tad disappointed because I am getting the sense that you are arguing for the sake of it. WTF is a Casemiro, Kroos and Modric combo compared to them?

Why are you asking me about if Bayern dominated the midfield in the first half? Did I ever disagree that they did? Was Pep not dominating games against RM?

So BBC winning 2 UCLs in 3 years means they were in form going into this game? Reconcile the logic that produced this statement please. CR7 0 goals in 11hrs UCL wise. In the league, can't remember when last he scored. Same for Bale and to some degree Benzema. Robben and Ribery just caused serious havoc to Dortmund a few days before and they are not in form? Müller's season just started making sense in the last few games. Whoever is posting through this moniker needs to give it back to the real A40 please.

Yes I said I expected you to say Carlo's tactics did not work the way you blamed Pep when RM scored from 2 set pieces. I am surprised I still have to explain to you that I am here to show you that what you criticized Pep for, you are willing to let Carlo off the hook so easily for.

Madrid did not need to dominate. Luck shone on their way and they scored 2 goals from Ramos headers making the tie 3-0. Now Bayern must come out to play without caution and Madrid scored another goal from a counter attack. The whole tactics was upturned by 2 early Sergio Ramos goals. You knew all these but blamed Pep and now I am asking you to blame Carlo too or accept that these things could happen and you are doing neither but instead bringing Pep up in City.

Alonso is 35. If age does not matter Zidane would still be playing, Alcantara played no role in Barca's CL win, Modric and Kroos have two CL titles between them. And most importantly are still in their prime age or at least a good age for a CM.

You say WTF is a Casemiro, Modric and Kroos combo? Well that combo are the defending CL, Super cup, Club world cup and La Liga table leaders. Unless you show a midfield trio operating at that frequency right now then just do like The Roots and don't say Nothing

Dominance that actually led to a goal and a PK

Is Suarez in form? Shey players can't go through droughts over the course of a season because your arguments are borderline confusing now. Aguero struggled with his form at City should we blame that on Pep like your gang are trying to pin Boateng and Costa's form on Carlo. Robbery causing havoc vs Dortmund does not make them favorites going into a tie vs BBC. Didn't Steph Curry struggle at certain points in the regular season?

Carlo's tactics did not tell Javi Martinez to pick two bookings in 5 minutes. One can tell the difference between picking senseless bookings and tactics gone south. And also FYI conceding from setpieces is also sort of an indictment on the coaching, in the previous round Man U also scored from setpieces.

Did you watch the first 15 mins of that match? Did you think the corners and free kicks came from space? I would bring up Pep at City when I sense you are trying to be intellectually dishonest.

All this grammar is unneccessary sef till Tuesday tbh

Eruditor:
I already accepted that Pep is a fraud who messed things up in Bayern. I am now asking you if Carlo is one too because he is not outdoing Pep.

All those comments about maiguard are unnecessary because this is not airmark arguing with you. Apart from the question about who Milan added being pleonastic to the discourse, it will not make your case for you as they had won the UCL only the season before. But for Pete's sake they added Pato, Emerson, Aubemayang these names I reeled off the top. I am sure they got a defender or 2. So if you are going to excuse them again you can not with a straight face make a case against City.

CFC just became elite like 4 seasons ago. That is when they started getting into top draws in the UCL. I cannot talk about AFC as you would know about their reputation considering you used to be a fan. What I won't do though is debate City vs PSG as I am sure you know better and are only trolling. But let me again assume you are not joking: PSG are the Manchester United of France; most successful in trophies. So are you still asking me how City measures up with them in terms of pedigree? They have won more trophies than City from last 3 years into 2017. They have played more UCL games and won more in the same time span. They have scored more goals, and gotten to more KO rounds than City. City is like Leicester to them. Let me stop here.

Irrelevant group stage result? Beating Barca? Needing the win to qualify for the next stage? Hahahaha.

Did City not sign Mangala, Otamendi, Bony, KDB, Sterling etc before? Why did Pellegrini finish 4th with lower points than Pep? If you do not see the work he has begun in City that is fine. He is a fraud. Ancelotti in Bayern is not doing any better. He won with Ramirez? Ok. He got sacked too with Ramirez but this is not about Carlo in CFC. What has he done to Bayern? Answer on marble.

No Pep lost 4-0 in Munchen. Also lost 4-1 to Wolfsburg. Lost 4-0 to Barca with City too. All distractions. Pep is a fraud. How is Carlo the non-fraud doing?

I mentioned a game to show you a relatively inexperienced Arsenal side beat Milan 2-0 in San Siro. You mention Lehman. I remind you Lehman did not play in San siro then you say I want you to ignore the Emirates game when I had already told you Arsenal did not win that game. They won in San siro. So try again mate.

No I am not judging Carlo after one game. I have consistently told you I like him and want him to atleast beat RM (for obvious reasons). My problem is when Pep lost the same game you blamed him solely for it but now that Carlo has lost at the Allianz, you are making excuses for him. That is my grouse. It is with each excuse you raise that it now appears I am judging Carlo when I am not.

Whether Ajax lacked experience is immaterial? Good. Whether Monaco lacked experience is immaterial too. Now let us go back to Carlo and Bayern.

LOL abeg wetin concern Kolarov concern anything? You wanted to justify how aged players can falter and you sited Iniesta. I simply told you that Iniesta can still produce more if utilised properly. I do not know how Kolarov got into this. If Ribery and Robben did not perform against RM - IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE. That is the point I am making. You ought to agree that Carlo did not utilise them well. That is exactly what you would have said about Pep. I am surprised you are still not getting it.

I remember when you said Pep hurt Gotze's career and your fellow Bayern fan had to point out that Gotze was not used by Carlo and how he has not set the world on fire in Dortmund. I also remember how someone had to show you that Kimmich was Pep's creation. How Boateng, Muller, Costa, Coman have all dropped form under Carlo. How Bayern have scored less goals and lost more.

So as you can see, I am here to remind you again that when RM beat Pep and Bayern 4-0 I came here to tell you things went uncontrollably wrong and that it was not his fault. If you go online, you would see an excerpt from a book written about Pep's time in Bayern especially against RM. How the setpieces hurt but more so, how he let the players do what they wanted in the 2nd leg. How he defended them and took the blame (even when he knew he planned to use 3-4-3 on the day and they had trained with it, but they wanted to try out the Jupp way so he let them and it backfired etc). You wanted to hear nothing of it. You said Carlo would have done better and not lost ahome to RM. So I am here to show you Carlo lost ahome to RM.

Let us get things into perspective because I don't want to veer off any more into City and Barca etc. Just limit it to Carlo's time in Bayern. Thanks.

Are you expecting Carlo to win the exact same number of points Pep did, because unless Carlo finishes 2nd your argument is hardly relevant. My adjudging Pep a fraud is not on the back of 1 season at Bayern afterall did you see me calling him fraud after the Madrid loss. Besides Carlo has never paraded himself to be some tactical savior or genius anyway. I am going with the assumption that you know what a fraud actually means

Pato, Emerson, Aubameyang. Hahahahaha are those the signings an aging team trying to defend a CL title should make? Did you know Pato and Aubameyang in 2008? You played yourself by even attempting to list those guys. Now compare to Pep who bought Stones, Bravo, Gundogan, Nolito, Sane, Jesus to a CL semi winning team and couldnt get past Monaco and is still marooned in 4th. You don't have a prayer

CFC became elite four seasons ago? Man you need a history lesson. The same Chelsea who as at 2009 had played 5 CL semis, a Final and should have gotten to another one if not for Ovrebo is who you are claiming just became elite in 2013? You are making me lose appetite for this debate

PSG are the Man United of France. I can also say Cotonsport Garoua is the Man United of Cameroon. When was the last time a French side got to a CL final? Mexico sef is the Man United and Brazil of CONCACAF. Pedigree ko F5 ni. A team with only 1 CL semifinal to its name. They have played more CL games? Lmaoo have they played as many games or scored as many goals as Arsenal? Either way you spin it sha your goose is cooked because it means Pellegrini beat PSG with an inferior side. Another fail for Fraudiola.

Person finish 4th you say he get higher points, Like pikin wey no know book but you say he get fine handwriting. Carlo is on course to at the very worst match Pep unless he fails to win the DFB Pokal. Can we call Carlo a fraud? I might call him that if he fails to get to a CL Final at Bayern after 3 seasons. City's signings got to a semifinal its in their history. Fraudiola outspent all his rivals in the league. He is 4th! Went to Europe lost to small boys from Monaco.Chai

There was a 1st leg. That first leg formed the basis for Arsenal not needing a win in the 2nd leg to advance. Lehmann, Gallas, Toure were some of the experienced heads that helped Arsenal keep a clean sheet against an aging Milan side. Hell Almunia played in a CL Final FFS

Because both games had different circumstances. You admitted we dominated the game and an objective mind would tell the game was balanced till the sending off. This did not happen with Pep

Ajax as a collective had achieved more than Monaco. They were captained by a multiple CL winner. I threw the immaterial line to end that chapter

Iniesta can still produce? A player that went a full year without a goal or assist not too long ago. You are in LA-LA land if you think Iniesta is not going downhill from here. Father time is undefeated

Age is a factor but not the sole reason Robbery did not perform. I have been screaming for Bayern to get wing forwards for quite a while now. However the stick most Bayern fans used to flog Pep was not ROBBERY's utilization but our defensive organization and our tedious and predictable build up play which is a far cry from how we were set up under Jupp, Stop imagining things

Boateng suffered adductor injuries at the Euros, injured his shoulder and you are talking about how his form dropped under Carlo. Costa shone for half a season last season and vanished in the new year and you are claiming his form dropped under Carlo. When would you people stop lying?

Hahaha Pep gets credit for inventing the false 9, building Messi but no blame for mismanaging Goetze's talent. Hehehehe

You defended the players, took blame only for you to reveal that the players made you switch your tactics in your book. I now see why Zlatan wanted to slap his face into next week. He changed his tactics because the players said so? I have never heard such hogwash in my life. In the subsequent seasons teams have been using his desired tactics what has been the result?

Eruditor:
Did you lose to City ahome? No. That 3-2 was away after you led 2-0 and then got the red card. That is why YOU pardoned him. Besides you had qualified and City had not. I have made my point clear about BATE BORISOV and co. The only thing I will touch here is the BBC and Alonso etc debate.

Yes Alonso, Vidal, Thiago are better than Casemiro, Kroos and Modric. Now because you lost you won't see it but when you were spinning them dizzy with sleek passes first half and dominating the midfield you did not see that those kids of Madrid were the sons of the Bayern midfield. So much so that Zidane made CR7 and Bale sit deep to help weather the storm.

As per BBC and Robben, Ribery and Muller I stand by what I said. BBC have not exactly been in form. They could not beat Dortmund and the Bayern trio made light work of Dortmund. CR7 is not much of a winger anymore and what exactly did Bale do all game except Mark Ribery?

This is not just about referencing pundits. I watch games deeply especially when I am interested in the outcome. Alonso maybe 35 years old but he never played football by running up and down so his age does not matter except someone pacy was trying to run past him. Vidal is a B2B midfielder and he frustrated Casemiro in the first half. Thiago Alcantra has been a revelation not only this season but even before barring injuries. He was swallowing Kroos in the first half.

Kroos, Modric and Casemiro came into the fray in the 2nd half and Kroos said why: "we noticed that Bayern don't press you all game like they used to under Pep". That was why they could overwhelm Bayern and then Javi picked the red card which showed that Carlo had no plan B.

Bros we lost to City at HOME under Pep. If you don't know you don't have to argue.

You have not given a cogent reason as to why Vidal, Thiago and Alonso (35) are better than Casemiro, Modric and Kroos. Ohh so you agree we dominated in the 1st half. What makes Bayern's midfield better than CL winning Madrid who are also topping their league this year. A league good enough to produce 3 quarterfinalists

BBC have combined for 2 CL's in just 3 years and you are talking about form. Why have Barcelona, Atleti and co failed to overtake them if their form is so poor. Did it occur to you that Bale marking Ribery might have been his brief you know as an ex fullback

I am telling you for the umpteenth time stop bringing up group stage games. They prove nothing.

You claimed a few posts ago that Carlo's tactics didn't work yet you are now here gushing about how our midfield outplayed Madrid. Did you expect Bayern to dominate Real Madrid the entire 90 mins? Is that humanly possible?

What does speed have to do with when a player just has to retire out of old age. How fast is Xavi? Why isn't he still at Barca. This your story no dey add up.

Pressing? Shebi this same Kroos was at Bayern when we lost 4-0. Madrid that didn't press all game why didn't they lose? Orisisisi

Eruditor:
You are equally fantasizing so don't get conservative on me. You can as well imagine a 4-0 win and not just 2-1.

How old is Pepe? 34 himself. Was he not missed? Varane? There is no possible spin to this even if Pauli was here to explain his exclusion principle. If Ribery is old use someone else and prove to be the better Tactician. After all, you have Douglas Costa.

LOL @ Done no worse. I have said ad nauseam that Ancelotti has lost the very same games you slaughtered Pep for. What else do you want me to say? Did I not say the tie was not over?

It is not about BATE BORISOV or AFC (2-0 in Munich). It is that Jupp won a treble ti tan. Now if Carlo does not win the UCL or get to the semis I would have to isolate individual games to judge him but it will be inconsequential if he eventually wins the UCL or gets past the semis. That way he would have done what Pep did not do. I hope you get the point. This is a big picture argument.

Joshua is fit so your using him as an example again fails. If at the time Joshua was in form he got injured, ehen, you can bring him into this. Gundogan and Jesus were playing well and scoring before they got injured. There should be an uppercase period placed here.

I am not the one giving excuses you are. Pep made those statements before the league began but even at that I have accepted he is a fraud. Now I want you to justify why a manager who is not a fraud is not outdoing the fraud. Simple.

LOL. Pellegrini had 3 seasons 1, 2, 4 were his league positions. Judge Pep after he has had the same 3. If we compare what Pep inherited and how City played in the previous season he is getting things fixed. But if we compare Carlo now to Pep either last season or for argument sake Pep's first, Pep is doing better except Carlo overturns the RM 1-2 first leg loss and wins the tie. Till then we wait.

Which is exactly what I came here to tell you.

Naa, 2-1 or 3-2 would do just fine.

Nobody is spinning anything. Nobody is giving excuses. You are imagining things. Costa fresh out of knee injury, let's rush him in the game so he can get injured again.

As mad as most Bayern fans were at the time nobody really slaughtered Pep till after the World cup when we saw what Bayern players were capable of.

Lol e say na big picture. So why are you here after one leg? If we go on to win the treble or CL under Carlo what would the hootin and hollerin have been about? This na real confusion. And before you reply for Pep at City remember say na una start am

If Gündogan was fit? Gündogan? I'm sleep yo. Add his goals with that of Jesus multiply it by 3 and tell us how many it amounts to and let's compare with Lewa and Kimmich

Pep is languishing in 4th having outspent his rivals in a league Carlo won at his 1st attempt, Pellegrini did the same and you are telling us tales by moonlight. How do you define improvement? What has City improved at? They are still 4th, were knocked out in the 2nd round of the CL, Compare to Carlo who is in the same position as Pep in the league, facing the same Madrid albeit at an earlier round. What exactly has Pep done better?

In what warped alternative universe can anyone attach improvement to what Pep is doing at City. He is even benching the keeper he used his own koro koro hands to buy after causing a needless crisis in goal

Eruditor:
I am not ready to wait for 2nd leg? Point at any statement of mine that alludes to that.

Beat the likes of Monaco? Should Bayern not beat the likes of ATM, RM and Rostov?

Lol don't bring Ramdeuter into this. Bayern were home 1, had the better run of form 2, and are better on Paper. Boateng and Javi are supposed to be better than Nacho and Sergio. Alaba and Marcelo cancel out. Lahm is better than Carvajal. Neuer is better than Navas. Alonso, Vidal and Alcantra are bettet than Casemiro, Modric and Kroos even if the margin is close. CR7, Bale and Benz match up evenly with Muller, Ribery and Robben based on current form and Bayern were home.

So the plethora of pundits were not wrong to give Bayern the 72-28 odds at Munich don't even go there.

Ancelotti did what at CFC? I told you why did you not add top 5? And why is it based on 1 season? If we can judge based on 1 season can I not judge based on 1 leg?

If it is down to the refs discretion then don't bring up Ovrebo. You see how those tortuous strings work? You beat what is given to you. I had a red card, away and I qualified yet you praise the ref when the red card was undeserved. But in your case you exonerate him. Still a nice distraction.

Pep is a fraud in catalan. I agree. But a non-fraud is not playing better and has lost more of the same games than the fraud. How do you reconcile it?

Ribery did not console Carvajal? If you did not see it, that is fine. But atleast you can see that Carlo lost a home game to RM and you claimed that had not happened till Pep.

You are here genuflecting on the first leg loss when we are not even out of the tie yet. If Bayern advance won't you come here to tell us 'but Bayern lost in Munich'

We lost to BATE in our treble year. Maybe I used the wrong word. Eliminate. City should be eliminating Monaco. Happy?

I'm telling you the average Bayern fan did not share your confidence. Bayern were home? What does home and away have to do with teams like Bayern, Madrid, Barca? How is 35 year old Alonso and Vidal better than Modric and Kroos? What kind of dubious analysis is this.

Ribery, Robben and Müller matchup evenly with BBC. In what universe. Better run of form? Le le oh Chineke

You rely too much on punditry and it makes me wonder if you watch these games. Madrid topping La Liga. The toughest league in Europe? If pundits tell you to bleach shey you go bleach.

Ancelotti won the double in England in his debut season. Infact unless Pep wins the FA cup his debut season in England would have been a colossal disaster.

Of course you qualified. With the help of a despotic ref. Its not a coincidence that Ovrebo's career went to shyte after that game

How is consoling someone an admission of guilt? Are you some kind of Occupational Therapist. How do you know this.

What are you on about? Didn't we lose to Chelsea, Arsenal under Jupp? To City under Pep? Did anyone give him drama? Anybody can lose at home. Don't lose 4-0 is what we are saying

Eruditor:
Before I respond to this it is not a Pep vs Ancelotti debate. You know this but want to keep detracting from the real gist because you know you have no defence for Carlo.

Again, Milan were at the end of an era but City are not at the end of the era that began with Mancini? I don't understand this level of double-standardness. Milan won the UCL only the year before but what about City and the EPL? 2 years before and their most recent run had them in 4th but you want to sell the false narrative that they should have consolidated on their semi-final place of the previous year. Sorry but this defies common sense.

Haba, Arsenal and City? I don't believe you asked this question. Arsenal FC is 15 times the club City hopes to be. When did City start appearing in the UCL that they would be anybody's mate? Wow, City is being compared with PSG just because Guardiola is there? Hmmm. SMH.

Don't worry about City beating Barca when Barca needed 0 points. Apart from being a barefaced lie, it has nothing to do with Carlo's work in Bayern. I mentioned it to show you what City never did before Pep. They have had other times in the past were even the type of moral victory you are hoping for Bayern would have sufficed but none came. As long as Barca fielded MSN and a full strength squad your argument is DOA.

You have raised an excuse for a team that just won a league title in CFC under Carlo but insist that a team that finished 2nd and 4th before Pep was not in decline again because of Pep. You are the one who is taking your anti-Pep bias to unseen heights and I don't know how else to show you the flaw in your reasoning.

CFC 1st 2009/10 3rd 2009/10 (unavoidable)
City 2nd 14/15 4th 15/16, 16/17 (should consolidate on semis, beat all teams, win 38 games, finish 1st.)

When you were reeling off heaviest defeat I hope you were not referring to in City's history or anything. Pellegrini lost 4-1 3 times to Spurs and LFC just the season before. In fact, I am getting distracted by all these things as it has nothing to do with Carlo. Carlo had 2 seasons in CFC so to compare him to Pep I have to wait for Peps second. It is not rocket science. Carlo chopped steady Ls himself in his second season to AFC, LFC, United and co. Just wait for the second season and focus on his first season at Bayern.


Jeez what does Lehman have to do with the 2-0 at San Siro? Is that not the game Milan lost? Try again.

I said Ajax lacked experience COMPARED to Milan just like you w anted to argue Monaco lacked experience compared to City. Try again....again.

Since who is blaming coaches? You brought up Iniesta on your own. You have brought up Kolariv now on your own even when it adds nothing to what is being discussed. If Carlo is better than Pep inBayern why did he not rest his 30 year olds against Dortmund so they would be fresh and produce their genius in a span longer than 3 days? Is that not what I have been asking?

Where did I say it was a Carlo vs Pep debate? Why would I try to convince a Barca fan that Fraudiola is not the best thing since Jameson and Sprite

Haha now you are being clever by half. Who did Milan add to their squad let's compare that with City. You think you are arguing with your maiguard

15 times? Why not 1,500. Hahaha I go die oh! You mean Arsenal the laughing stock of England. When did Chelsea start playing in the Champions League. Na by that one? Give a definite reason why PSG is a cut above City in 2017

Why are you bringing up irrelevant group stage results. City didn't even finish ahead of Barca so what improvement are you talking about. Be consistent brah. Who is hoping for moral victories where I talk that one? Ye ma paro mo mi mehn

What are you chatting about? What has Pep done to arrest the decline you speak of despite freshening up the squad. Were Chelsea on the up when Carlo took over? Yet he won the league buying Ramires. Ramires FFS!

Pep bought Stones, Bravo, Gundogan, Nolito, Sane, Jesus. Met KDB, Sterling. City is still 4th and got knocked out by Monaco and you are still claiming he has improved City. Are you hearing yourself at all?

I meant Pep individually took his worst L in England

You want us to ignore Lehmann who did his job by keeping a clean sheet in the first leg. Nehi nehi

You are gleefully judging Carlo after 1 leg but we can't judge Pep who has had a mediocre season thus far. Lewl

Ajax had players with World Cup experience, CL experience and players that had won TITLES at AJAX. Whether Ajax lacked experience is immaterial

You claimed Enrique is using Iniesta wrong. I am telling you Kolarov was also being used wrong.

Dortmund not Ingolstadt. Costa has been out for weeks, Coman has not been up to scratch as any Bayern fan can attest. Stating facts

Eruditor:
What is winning UCL and La Copa del Rey? Did he not get fired the following season? Did Pep not win those trophies more than 1ce?

Carlo won league and FA Cup? Next season nko? Ok. So wait for Pep'second season as well. Besides, you know he is in the FA Cup semis? He could win it too. But then it will not count because...fraud.

Was I expecting Ranieri to win it again? But you were expecting City to keep getting to the semi's of the UCL because Pep is involved - see what I mean?

Lol, now where Carlo has to finish is immaterial? So he can lose now and be forgiven after all he lost to RM.

Monaco is inferior on Paper? Like RM were inferior on Paper? Like Polls rated Bayern 72-28 to win the game? Papers were wrong won't you say?

The ifs and maybes have begun. Fraudiola won't survive? Fine. We heard how Carlo would not have lost ahome to Madrid. How Jupp would never do it. Ok. Carlo has done it. That is why I am here. No ifs no maybes. Carlo lost ahome to RM.

Sorry, I can argue that CFC vs Barca game but what does it have to do with Carlo not doing better than Pep which is what I am here for.

Lol, beat Madrid first. Then beat whoever is next. Then you win. That is how it works. Beating top 4 and finishing 4th cannot be better than losing to 4 and winning the league. Like I said, no moral explanations. We need white and black results.

Read me well about Kos I said what was the red card for? Or else every foul in the box should be a red card as that can be argued as a goal scoring chance. Take a look at Crystal Palace vs Arsenal. Penalty no red. It was dubious against Kos and UEFA realized it. So following game Leicester vs Sevilla, they gave the penalty without a red.

Lol @ Carvajals hand. Try his upper arm and close to his shoulder. Try ask ribery why he was laughing and apologizing to Carvajal for the refs gaffe. You are the only one on planet earth that saw it as a penalty but what is the point sef? Carlo did not beat RM in Munich.

Of course. We are talking about Real Madrid here.

That more than once abeg always add courtesy of Tom Henning Ovrebo

You are not ready to wait for 2nd leg yet you are telling me to wait for next season. Ogini na fio? And what if he fails to win the FA. Ohhh wait he's not a fraud because we should wait till next season, well what of he gets sacked? Well he's not a fraud he didn't finish the season.

Nope nobody said City had to get to the semis. You are imagining things. Beat the likes of Monaco is all we ask

Which poll rates Bayern over Madrid? Show me the Editor let me slap his face. Were you not here when Raumdeuter told a Chelsea fan to stake on Madrid

Who said Carlo couldn't lose at home to Madrid. Why is your imagination running wild like youths at Spring Break? Trawl the pre match posts and show where any Bayern fan said Carlo would never lose at home to Madrid.

Ohh I wish you would argue it. Let's see what you bring out that would top 3 stonewall penalties

Maybe for you. For me the sole prerequisite is beating Madrid, the defending champs and winners of 2 of the last 3 CLs

Ancelotti did both at Chelsea. Winning and beating everybody. Pep is languishing in 4th having accomplished nada. Isu no be cocoyam

It is down to a referees discretion. The red card was not dubious in any way shape or form, The Carvajal incident could also have been overlooked and no one would bat an eyelid but I have seen less given at Camp Nou and Heaven did not fall down.

Ribery was apologizing? In what language? English, French or Spanish

Speaking of languages how do you say Fraud in Catalan that's all I wanna know

Eruditor:
The goal keeps you in the tie. But if you win 4-0 second leg with the first leg at 2-0 you would not have gone through? Lol so what is this myth about losing a home game 2-1 and arguing that is keeps you in some tie all because you want to defend Carlo.

No agitation whatsoever. Pep was always at fault but now "Ribery is old, Hummels was missed, Lewa was missed" yet the same you voiced your concerns about Hummels after the AFC tie. LOL. It is all clutching without even shifting gears.

No group stages don't determine quarter final draws but you lost to the same ATM and finished beneath them. Then you lost ahome to the same RM. Hope you are seeing the pattern. You are losing the very same games you hounded Pep for.

Yes he only got to semis because United, Porto, Juventus are not good teams. Yet Juve knocked out Carlo's RM and Pep beat them. But since it was Pep, Juve are minnows.

City knocked out that PSG? Ok good. That PSG is not this Monaco or else Carlo had no business losing to this Rostov since Rostov of last season probably did not even make the UCL. You see why you must adjudicate based on what is in front of you?

We only know Muller has not been instrumental because of his current form. Before Gundogan and Jesus got injured they were featuring and delivering the goods. There is nothing that suggests Lewa would have scored yesterday so summing his goal tally with respect to what Gundogan and Jesus may have done for City is disingenuous. The guy who scored for you the other day is Vidal. The team you had yesterday did not have Lewa and Mandzukic that Pep had is not as good as Lewa. So no need in telling us Hummels and co did not play to excuse Carlo. Now you get it.

I don't understand, Carlo is not done with a season but Pep is done with this season? The tie is not over for Carlo? Did anybody say it is? No. I said if he loses to RM then it proves that Pep was not the problem all along because we have seen that Bayern don't play better under Carlo and it appears like the results may justify it.

LOL to judge a team in a league is to compare their head to head against current top 4? Then they better give Klopp the EPL title. Hahahaha.

4-0? Lmaoo you are a fantasist just like Pep. Thanks to that 1 goal even a 2-1 win gets us to extra time at the very least. Madrid can score so long as we can score just 1 more

Pep is still at fault. We are seeing that at City, Ribery is 34 as well, there is no abracadabra that would change that. Ask Apoche cra cra whether Hummels was missed or not. I am stating facts. I have never said they influenced the outcome of the game

We lost to Atleti in the group stages. Wait till the second leg before passing judgement or at least be objective enough to admit Carlo has done no worse than Pep

Juve sans Tevez, Pirlo, Vidal. Clap for yourself

Did you expect Bayern to go unbeaten? Even in our treble year we lost to BATE Borisov. What is your fixation with freak results?

I have asked again delivering over what period? Against Swansea and West Ham? I can also say Joshua Kimmich has been instrumental. He has more goals than Jesus or Gundobelly

There is also nothing suggesting Cristiano Ronaldo would score any time he sets his foot on the pitch but you play him anyway so tell me more about disingenuous

Again no one is giving excuses. I am stating facts. Actually you and Fraudiola are the ones giving excuses. Telling stories that touch about Pep needing time for players to grab his formation and that Conte's formation is simpler blah blah blah blah blah blah

I am giving 360 degree insight on Pep's failure. He is 4th same as Pellegrini, he has the worst record as well. Any angle you wan look am Pep is a massive disappointment at City

Eruditor:
If nobody is making an argument for Milan then your argument is dead. Because City lost to Monaco and it could qualify as an upset but you want to magnify it because it is Pep. Besides, The UEFA Cup is not the Champions league please, ask Sevilla.

In what world is City PSG's mate my good lord? They are not near or about anything. City is fledgling and only just. Thank God last season wasn't Pellegrini's first with them. I like how Barca and RM become big clubs only when Pep is not playing against them or would you remember that City had not beaten Barca till he came? Lol.

City attacking? Yes. Easiest on the eye? Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Carlo beat top 4 home and away? Why did you not say top 5? Lol. Carlo won the league that is what he did. Beating top 4is neither here nor there. Then came his 2nd season how many did he beat then? That is why I told you to wait till Pep's time there is up because if he ends up beating top 6 and wins the league his 2 years would be better than Carlo's.

You mentioned players that were either unproven or no longer featuring. Lehman did not even play against Milan and Hleb was what? Proven by who? What is our concern if Milan finished 20 points behind did they not win UCL a year before? If Litmanen and co in Ajax had won UEFA Cup 3 years ago but you adduce it as a reason that they had cognate experience why should UCL-winning Milan only a year before get a pass? Let me guess, because Pep did not manage the team. If he did you would have called him a failure for not winning the UCL again and say someone else won it before him. You won't remember age of the players or if they were declining.

I don't understand again. Did anyone mention Iniesta as a reason Barca lost? No, we blamed the coach without excusing Iniesta's age. But you want to clutch on to Robben and Ribery being 30+ when you did not remember it when they were raping Arsenal and Dortmund.

Of course its about Pep. Milan lost but that was a Milan side at the end of an era. They had been the best team in Europe since 1989. This is not comparable to a City that was expected to consolidate on last seasons breakthrough. You are comparing for a wrong era anyway. In the times of Ajax and co only the League winner made the CL.

Explain why City is not PSG's mate. I'll wait. You are taking this Pep bias to nuclear levels now. City is fledgling and only just? What do we call Arsenal then? Those ones are still at embryonic stage.

City beat Barca in a group stage match. A game Barca needed 0 points from. You must be having a laugh

City with Nasri, Aguero, David Silva, KDB, Yaya Toure was not easy on the eye? You would soon tell us Fraudiola discovered fire. It's on record that Carlo didn't just win the league but won it in style with the most attacking side the league ever saw. I have told you the ages of key members of that Chelsea squad so struggling the next season was unavoidable. What has been Fraudiola's achievement beside sorrow and disgrace.

Heaviest Defeat - Check
Longest streak without a home win - Check

And I'm sure there would be a lot more to add by season's end.

Don't talk down on Carlo till Pep wins a spoon in England

Lehmann started the first leg. You don't need to come here and tell alternative facts. Hleb was part of the CL run. No? Toure, Fabregas? Gallas didn't play CL footie at Chelsea?

You claimed Ajax lacked experience I have shown you this is false. The players that didn't have CL experience had UEFA cup experience others had International experience. You went to an era where only 1 team made the CL. If that is not dubious I don't know what is. Which player in Monaco can boast of Rijkaard's CV

Iniesta's form is diminishing. This is largely due to age but you claimed Enrique is using Iniesta wrong. Well Pep with his crayfish tactics is also using Kolarov wrong since we are blaming coaches.

Players in their 30's are still capable of genius. Expecting it every 3 days? ROTFLOL

Eruditor:
How many La Liga seasons did Carlo have? Good, now juxtapose it with how many EPL seasons Pep has played in. I don't jump about one-season wonders. Where is Ranieri today?

CFC won UCL 2012 so they should have won 2013 too. Bayern got to Semis in 2016 so Carlo must get to the final in 2017 too. AS Monaco (almost sure-fire semifinalsts are now inferior because na Pep them beat. Exactly what I said).

Hahahaha, Jesus see achievements for Jupp. Bayern were winter champions and got hammered by Dortmund in the DFB-Pokal finals. Also got beat by a useless CFC side. Should I also say Pep was first in the EPL after 10 games? Will it count as an achievement? The same way Jupp, Klopp, Rodgers, LVG, Pochettino had better 2nd seasons, watch Pep in his 2nd season. Mancini, Pellegrini, Carlo, Ranieri are examples of one-season wonders who got sacked the following year. Just chill.

All that talk about Ovrebo is tasteless because Pep did not influence it. I could have counted how many times Barca got cheated in that same game but what good will it do? This is not about Pep no matter how you try to change it. Carlo has never been helped or lucky sure. Oya, get to the UCL final and show Pep what he does not know. Simples.

So Kos fouled a striker by genuinely going for the ball. What was the red card for? Before you respond, the very next day Sevilla gets awarded a similar penalty against Leicester but no red card was given. Only problem is the ref of the Bayern game was not called Ovrebo. Neither was the one who wanted to give Bayern an imaginary penalty against RM called Ovrebo. But all those instances are immaterial because they did not happen to a Pep coached team. Then Porto and United with strong UCL history will become moin moin teams.

Carlo didn't win La Liga but won a CL and a Cola Del Rey

Carlo went to England won the league and FA cup

What has Pep done since leaving Barca? Shey una talk say Bundesliga no competitive. What has he done in England? Why would you even bring up Ranieri? Were you expecting him to repeat with Leicester?

Wherever Carlo has to reach is immaterial I have listed the teams he would need to beat to get to the Finals anyway. Monaco is certainly inferior to City on paper only Pep fanboys would argue otherwise. Every City fan and most Pep fanboys were delighted at the draw. They underestimated the degree of a fraud Pep was obviously

Of course they were so useless they beat you at the Bridge and you failed to get past them in Camp Nou

Lmaooo Pep would end up like AVB coaching Shaolin soccer. He has been found out. Better take him back at Barca where MSN would cover his yansh. Aboro la so fun omoluabi to ba de inu re a di odindin

All these managers are victims of impatient management. Fraudiola would not survive 2 years at Chelsea, he would lose his love for football altogether. You can see he has aged significantly since arriving England.

Tasteless? Lmao list the incidents and let's compare to 3 stone wall penalties. I dey wait for you to show incidents that can equate to that

I have told you. We can't talk of Finals without beating Madrid, should we do that everything Pep flies out the window. Period

Going for what ball? The rule is lucid. You don't foul a goal bound striker. Was Lewandowski goal bound or not? Lewandowski was adjudged to foul this same Koscielny in the first leg in an instance where he was clearly trying to clear the ball. Did you see any Bayern fan complain?

As for the Madrid game. You could argue about Carvajal's intent or that it was ball to hand but its bleeding obvious that he made contact with the ball with his arms. We have seen Barca awarded less anyway. They don't call y'all UEFALONA for nothing

Eruditor:
You are the one still not getting it. That you scored a goal in a game you lost is insignificant. You lost. If you score another goal and lose in the 2nd leg, you lost and will be out so except losing both legs or the tie will amount to a win, you have no case for Ancelotti. He has only beaten teams Pep beat and has lost the same game Pep lost. Only that he is doing it earlier because he finished 2nd in a group (and Pep never did so).

It is a good thing you have said there is no point talking about Lewa - that is exactly what I have been saying. Once a player is not available, he is not available or else Pep can make the same argument. Remember I am here to show you that no matter the argument you want to make for Carlo, Pep can make it.

PSG under Zlatan did not have this Monaco just like CFC under Hiddink did not have Kante. Therefore, I must make my argument with what I have infront of me and not patching instance from eras and even decades to make an excuse for Carlo. The PSG of this season is below Monaco in the league.

The instrumentality of Gundogan and Jesus before their injury is all I can account for. If Muller was injured before last game like Lewa you would have argued that Muller was missed yet how instrumental had he been before the injury - that is what I would have asked. Therefore, Gundogan and Jesus are as important a loss to city as Lewa is to Bayern. Period.

Just say, if Carlo smiles at me he has done better than Pep. It is better than arguing that a manager who finished in a quarters (for example) has done more than another who got to 3 semis but in the same breath say Pep has not improved on City because he did not beat any team in the present top 4 (when 1- that top 4 is subject to change and if AFC and United make it, your point will be lost). 2, LFC and Tot beat City home and away last season (but did not do it this season). 3, Arsenal beat and drew with City yet Pep has reversed it and garnered more points than Pellegrini managed at this same point last season.

I would point out to the goal because it keeps us in the tie. We are not out yet and I have agreed Carlo has to advance to be adjudged as better than Pep so I am still searching for the source of your agitation

Finished 2nd in a Group? I didn't know group stage finishes count for quarter final draws as well. Smh

Pep only got to the semis because the ping pong ball did not give him Barca, Madrid or Atleti in earlier rounds. Kpokwem

Mandzukic in 2014 was our Lewandowski. I am still at a loss as to why you are listing players who were not on Bayern's payroll. I might as well say we missed Rinaldo

What do you mean by 'this' Monaco? City last year were 4th and knocked out PSG who were 1st. This year City are still 4th and GOT knocked out by Monaco who lead Ligue 1. What's the difference? Pep Fraudiolaaaa

Instrument ko Orchestra ni. Who was arguing about the instrumentality of Muller. He is not even a Bayern starter these days. It is also laughable that you brought up instrumentality of Jesus and Gundogan. How many games and for how many months combined have they been instrumental. Lewy + Muller vs Jesus + Gundogan. The joke writes itself

But you are confidently arguing on a CL tie that is subject to change and on Carlo who is just completing a season at Bayern. Carlo has not done worse

As it stands Pep has lost to every team in the 'current' top 4.

Pep gathering 100 more points is useless. He's still 4th, has won zilch and got knocked out in the 2nd round of the CL to the Bakayoko's of this world. All a significant drop from Pellegrini. How do you say FRAUD in Catalan

Eruditor:
I am not being drawn into a Pep vs Carlo argument because Pep will win easily and "good teams" will be the next excuse. Pep has improved on the City of last season, it is clear as crystal for anyone who wants to see. If Pep failed by losing in away goals to Monaco then Carlo is failing woefully by losing a home game to RM.

Jupp got thrashed by Dortmund 5-2 and won absolutely nothing his first season. I mentioned him to show that his next season (when he had fully placed himself in the team) he won a treble.

I have equally shown you how your LVG team and Porto falls flat again. The talk was about since City had recently been in the UCL Semis they should be beating Monaco and I have shown how City's experience counts about as much as AFCs could count against a Milan team that had won it the previous year. The only argument you want to hold onto is - as long as it is Pep it is his fault but every other manager gets a pass.

Don't worry about Dortmund, next week when they are 7 days removed from a bomb blast we would assess their performance away at Monaco. As per what Monaco had achieved before this season? What about a UCL quarter final place only a year and a half away? That sort of argument is neither here nor there. "I get am before no be property". You judge what is infront of you like you would for Leicester-and not say they are ROLA Champs and should be winning the UCL.

LOL @ complete Bayern and failed. If he used Green, Gaudino and Rhodes it will still be called Bayern Munich. So that excuse for Carlo is weak like 7 days. If it was not good enough for Pep it can never be good for Carlo.

Now you are listing the Caliber of players for Bayern under Klinsmann as if they called them another name but Bayern then you said a deserved Pepe red was dubious but same you claimed your penalty against RM was legit. Lol, in that case, even the red card against AFC was dubious.

Yea he does owe his career to overbo. Carlo doesn't. What is he doing to Bayern? He was supposed to be the savior. He has lost more games at the same point and may achieve far less if care is not taken. I am also watching.

Pep has not won any title Ancelotti did not win. And he did it without Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. If you mention La Liga I would counter you with EPL so hold that thought.

Pep has improved on zilch, nada, zero. City won a title, got to the CL semis and did not get eliminated by AS goddamn Monaco last year. Fraudiola lost to an inferior Monaco in the 2nd round, is still 4th in the league, lost to every team in the top 4 and failed to beat any. In what alternate universe can that be termed improvement?

Bayern were leading the league at the winter break, got to a CL Final in Jupp's debut. 2013 was not a fluke we were not far away from a treble in 2012. Its comedic that you are using that as a reference point for Pep. If you think that is what would happen with City next year you are in for an unpleasant shock

I'm still trying to understand what LVG and Porto have to do with Pep's incompetence. Ancelotti's CL record isn't flawless. He has blown huge leads in the past. But nobody hypes him like Pep

Dortmund's error was going into that game that quickly. Is it not who is alive that would play football. If Monaco get to the semis good on them. That does not excuse Pep's failure. Sorry

Of course I have to list the players before you try to puff up Fraudiola's achievements. He still needed Ovrebo to get past Chelsea denying them 3 point blank penalties. Ovrebo cannot ref an Under 13 girls match anymore never mind a CL match.

Koscielny prevented a goal bound striker from advancing what should the ref had blown? Goal kick?

Unless Carlo loses the league title it cannot be objectively argued he has done worse than Fraudiola

I am hearing Hummels might be back for the 2nd leg