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Nihilist:
You still don't understand sha ni? May God deliver you.

OK let me show you why everybody as been laughing at you all day.

Yes as you say up there, Using the stoopid criteria that you set up there, Aguero, Di Maria and Messi would be seen as overrated.

However, like I said to you in the very beginning, such an argument is clearly illogical.

Which is why I then provided evidence of you calling Aguero one of the top 20 players in the world only last year

I provided evidence of you refuting any insinuation that the Argentina team was average

I provided evidence of you expressing surprise that Messi could not win anything with a team as talented as the Argentine team.

That's why everyone is laughing at you bro.

Not only do I not agree with you, it appears that even You do not agree with You.

In your haste to diss airmark, you set a very big trap for yourself.

Bwahahaha. This boy is clearly on hallucinogens.

There is nothing illogical about my arguments. I have been very clear and concise on Agüero and ADM's overrated status. And its not just tied to their World Cup no show. How else can I drive this up your thick yet rather hollow skull.

Your confusion knows no bounds. Who would balance and call the Argentine squad average? Stop using drugs bruh. The Argentine squad vs England which was more loaded, better and balanced. This was the argument and that was what made you resort to telling senseless lies about Lennon and Wayne Bridge featuring regularly for England.

No wonder you think Messi is a collective. Confused nigga

airmark:
A40 A faulty, you see your life ? This is how you spew rubbish up and down . So argentina was even talented without messi. Werey ni e , ajakaja40. I cant believe you typed all these about messi and argentina. If you are not shameless, this is enough to prompt you to deactivate your account. Nihilist

Who ever said Argentina lacked talent? You are very sick in the head! We are making direct comparisons between their squad and England's you are forming Captain Obvious. Who had the better squad between 2006 England and 2014 Argentina with or without Messi? Efulefu

I don't know what you were doing when the alfas in that your abe igi ile keu were trying to impart the little intelligence they had into your life.

What a cretin

Nihilist:
Dayo don't forget that A40 has already called Messi Overrated...so you really have no real reason to keep defending him.

Illusionista. Come and tell us how Messi take be collective? Na simple English dey hook you for throat like eja shawa.

If you insist Argentina had as much talent and players rated as high as England why are you so shy to show it? suggesting that Argentina failed consistently as a collective means you are also agreeing with me that ADM, Agüero are overrated. Either way ti e ba e.

Nihilist:
All I asked you was for your point regarding England vs Argentina and you've started shaking like Michael J Fox...

What's that elusive point again?

Why you dey fear to compare both squads na? Answer question you dey dance running man lai se MC Hammer

I was talking of a collective failing. Nihilist is bringing up Messi. Is Messi a collective? When I said people don't hear English.

Nihilist:
Let me even ask what does this prove?

Whatever answer you give must be true when we compare individual awards of the Argentina and Chile squads who they lost to twice....


And let me remind you

Ko le ye e. Yi o ye e lola

Desperado l'omo. Just list the individual awards of England 06 vs Argentina in 14.

Is it only Chile? We would still get to South Sudan don't worry. Illusionista

Nihilist:
There is nothing intellectually dishonest about anything i said.

These are the two arguments you've made.

Argument 1: If there are no titles in numerous attempts despite numerous individual awards, then the players are overrated

Argument 2: England had more individual awards and achieved less than Argentina.

These arguments are mutually exclusive.

I have done everything in my power to let you know that I am not interested in your second argument. I have even ignored your poor comprehensive skill and accepted that your second argument is correct.

The main argument is number 1

Argument 1: If there are no titles in numerous attempts despite numerous individual awards, then the players are overrated


And you have been exposed more times than a baby's bottom in that regard.

Let me remind you:


Shall we proceed?

More megedefegede on wax. From the guy who saw Aaron Lennon play all the games in the 2006 World Cup, that saw Argentina struggle at Copa 16.

Again you are equating a rhetorical question to an actual statement and therein lies the orisun of your mind numbing confusion.

Ol boy you have to be interested. You brought up Argentina into the debate and he who price market must buy.

Till you bring up where I specifically put failure and title in the same sentence in the context of my comparisons you are merely connecting non existent dots.

Let's compare the individual awards of England and Argentina squads. Whosai. You are just yarning dust and dancing running man like Hammertime

Is Pogba overrated? Lol English na real big problem

Nihilist:
This is a valid but argument, but this is not what A40 said...

Let me remind you:


Now what is your submission based on the original premise alone

Who has amassed more individual awards between Messi and the entire English team. I can see when a nigga is trying to be intellectually dishonest. The midlife crisis suffering mofos cheering you on were too blind to see the apology I squeezed out of you and are still doing the Kizomba of stewpidity

Anyhow. I said it from the jump. Let us pick the two teams you gleefully used as examples. Who has won more individual awards. Let us select from the entire squad and compare their award spread so we can now see who has truly failed

You don't have to agree with my arguments at all. What I don't get is why you are being so dishonest about it

Pataki:
https://i.imgflip.com/s95w.gif

This you should have done ab initio instead of poking your gangrenous mouth into an issue you were clueless about. Abirun

Pataki:
You mean what your confused dog posted? Is Aguero overrated YES or NO? You this ancient ediotic doofus!

See this sword swallowing nincompoop. A player being listed among the top 20 in a given year doesn't mean they can't be overrated. You useless she-goat. When it is time to swallow Apoche cra cra's DNA you can show your oloshious face. Weyrey alaso

Nihilist:
I'm accusing you of not standing by your words.

Even if for the sake of Argument, England had more talent than Argentina(FYI they didnt), that is still completely irrelevant to the discussion.

When you labelled Gerrard and co as Overrated, you did not do it comparison to Argentina.

You based your assertion on the fact that they had a lot of talent and failed.

I then tried to apply the same criteria independently to Argentina, and the result should have been the same.

By your own previous admissions , Argentina were a very good side, boasting a WPOTY and a player you felt was one of the top 20 in the world. Yet Argentina also failed.

You then tried to cover up your excuses by trying to compare England's failure to Argentina's failure. You then gave excuses why not winning titles is not synoymous to failure despite asking for titles from England.

I mean this is your entry in 2014 where you state clearly that equate Argentina's WC defeat to failure.

Why on earth can't you stick to your words?

Don't you see how ridiculous you look?

Storyman. I've been asking you to prove Argentina had more talented players you have failed to do so.

List England's FIFPro, UEFA team members, Balon D'or runner ups, while I list Argentina's you just dey kalolo.

England failed at multiple competitions. What you grossly lack is discernment. Its one thing to fail to win the tournament which all 31 teams bar Germany did in 2014. It is another to fail by putting up mediocre performances widely acknowledged even by the English themselves.

Did Argentina fail to win the tournament. Yes
Can we classify their campaign overall as a failure. No

Now apply the same logic to England and stop creating illusions, telling needless lies and most importantly stop wasting my time

AdisaOwala:
Chai!!
Niggaz be swarming A40 like killer Bees from hell

Omo Akin ni A40 them never plenty reach

Pataki:
Apoda40! So Aguero even dey your list of top 20 players in the world, yet with your own foolish mouth, you dey claim he is overrated. Almost ten pages has been used here to show you are guilty of being an ediot. Arindin omo. Ajakaja has no shame. You are an eternal embarrassment to Ramuzaki for this.

What a DANGEROUS DOOFUS. Better go and face your Excel worksheet in that Shomolu cybercafe. Guguru ediot!

You are a very senseless individual. So being in someone's top 20 list at a point in time exempts them from being overrated? Who released you from that Aro asylum nitori Olorun.

Simple English this belly dancing gypsy no gree understand.

It won't be well with that person that rescued you from that shalanga you were dumped in.

Efulefu. Take one for the planet and O.D on Xanax biko

Nihilist:
Mate that's what I want to hear next. A40 even went as far as saying that Messi was poor at the worldcup and based Argentina's success that year on their defence.

I don't understand how based on his own definitions and criteria, Messi is not overrated.

You can see how he nearly ran away from the Kaka question posed to AdisaOwala, and has tried to switch from Madonna to films to Wenger.

All just so he can justify one goof of a statement...

Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess.

I am wondering what this has to do with you straight up lying about player's involvement at a WC. At least in my case the magnitude of Messi's involvement is the dispute unlike you who sat there telling us nothing but lies

Nihilist:
LMAO

This boy is just a clown.

I'm out abeg...

What are you even accusing me off precisely? You are just jumping like a cat on a hot tin roof.

Who had more talent 06 England or 14 Argentina. You were exposed woefully. You are now bringing up unrelated posts from past events

You have metamorphosed from Illusionista to Desperado

Nihilist:
How many times will I tell this guy that Rap is not the same as Pop?

Will the allegations of Ghostwriting leveled against Drake be an issue in any other genre of music?

You don chop today?

When you stop bringing up awards and record sales as the most important criteria to judge artistes. Purists never do that.

Like saying De La Hoya was the greatest cos he arguably sold the most fights

Small homework for you. Go and listen to the lovely ladies on that list and tell me how anyone with a clue would put Madonna over them. There is more to music than sales Chale

AdisaOwala:
A40, You see wetin your 'overated yarn' don cause you now...

Just eat the humble pie & accept defeat jare

No be my fault say most of una no hear English.

Example. Do you think Wenger is overrated? Would you put him in your top 20 list of managers over the last two decades

Nihilist:
You never even see anything...

As of last year A40 thought Aguero was one of the top 20 players in the world but now he is overrated..

At the very least this merely proves I am also guilty of overrating him. I am still looking for your point in all of this.

Illusionista

Nihilist:
What is this one saying?

We've told you several times to name your criteria and use that to list your top 10, you no gree.

Yet you're insisting that someone who has won 313 awards including a whopping 7 grammys, and has been honoured by everybody from Guiness book of world records to Billboard, MTV, to any music publication you can think of is overrated...

you sure say you don chop today?

English na moraphucka oh. What else do Billboards, MTV use to do their ratings? No be sales?

I would list Aretha Franklin, Etta James, Diana Ross, Tina Turner, Billie Holiday, Nina Simone, Celine, Whitney, Mariah Carey even Janet Jackson over the overrated
Madonna

Vocally, sonically, stage performance, content e.t.c

You are talking of Grammies. We can also call Kanye the best rapper. Orisirishi

Nihilist:
I have told you that for sake of Argument I will agree that England was better...

Oya what next na?

I want to see where you're going with this...

You have not admitted you lied about Lennon and Wayne Bridge.

Where I'm going is embedded in the rest of the post you quoted

Nihilist:
I knew you would yarn nonsense...as if most of the top artistes today don't sing mostly about sex and sell shock value.

If you say you're talking about your own preference, then that's fine. You are allowed to think that Benita Okojie is better than Beyonce...

If you say Madonna was overrated, you need to come with a valid reason why people have spent over a billion dollars to go and see someone who is nowhere near as good as other great female acts...

You are just shooting megedefegede out of your hip like a cowboy. I have told you repeatedly that Sales != Greatness. We are talking about someone who has been caught miming and lip syncing cos we all know she ain't got no voice

What is the highest grossing movie of all time and how good was it?

Nihilist:
I have never seen a person who is scared of their own words before.

The funny thing is the questions you're asking is of no real relevance to the discussion.

Lemme even make it easier for you.

Ok yes, England squad 2006 was better than Argentina of 2014.

Oya what next?

Lmao. Of course you would not find them relevant after telling more lies than O.J on trial. We were debating about failure in context and I asked you to list the players from the Argentine team let's see who worked with more material when you erroneously claimed Argentina had a squad as good as England listing Messi and ADM as proof

You don lie sotey the lies don dey overwrite themselves

AdisaOwala:
I understand perfectly - Puns, Flow, lyrical content etc are major determinants of a rapper's street credibility..which in turn determines his G.O.A.T status...

My question is still valid though - with respect to the aforementioned criteria, what exactly has Nelly (and Will Smith) achieved for them to even be compared to a rapper who is widely regarded as one of the best in the history of the game?

If he had even mentioned hardcore rappers (that are probably overhyped), shebi e for even better?

Nihilist brought up record sales as proof that she couldn't be overrated. Regardless of genre you can't be bringing that as an example of someone not being overrated. That's the point

Nihilist:
I am responsible for what I write, not what you comprehend.

Which part of that statement implies that any of those guys were core players?

Even if you discount Wayne Bridge....

Did Paul Robinson not play every single game for England?

Did Aaron Lennon not play every single game for England?

What is wrong with this guy sef?

Why are you so desperate to run away from your own lies that you keep spinning like a vinyl?

GOOFANTI. Where did you see Lennon playing all games for England? Illusionista

Stop wasting my time bruhh

Nihilist:
Don't even fall into that trap.

Rap is the only genre where the quality of your written bars is a criteria to assess GOAT status.

Outside Rap, nobody writes their own songs solo. Everybody employs a team of writers and then the artiste sings the result.

So I want to know what criteria he's going to use to claim that someone who has sold over 250 million records is overrated...

That is roughly [b]250 million people all over the world [/b]thought madonna's music was good enough to buy, but she's overrated. Let me hear what his criteria are first...

Thank God you brought up record sales.

Oya Nas and Nelly whose album's have more often been considered good enough to buy?

Nihilist:
Na wa o.

So Madonna resemble rapper to you?

Or you want to start checking Madonna's bars

What is wrong with this guy sef? A40 wait you dey joke or what?

Oya list your criteria, and explain how Madonna does not make any top 10 female artist list of all time.

Bars? Who is talking about bars?

Madonna sold sex and shock value for the most part. Lyrically, sonically, vocally and otherwise she is nowhere near as good as a lot of other great female acts.

Its not even up for argument

Nihilist:
Oh so you know this one now...

But you didn't think about this when you were asking England with Paul Robinson, Wayne Bridge and Aaron Lennon to dominate like the dream team of 92 no?



Stand by your words like a man.

Lucious Lying. Less than 24 hours you are already denying your words like Simon Peter denied Jesus

Nihilist:
But if we don't mention Madonna, who else would we mention?

Sasha? Weird MC?

They said person dey overrated you are posting article from Wikipedia. Smh

So to you Madonna is the greatest female musician of all time? I'm crying fam. Na people like you go rate Nelly and Will Smith over Nas

Nihilist:
See deflection again tori olorun.

Can you not stand by any of your own words?

Till you defend your lie of Lennon and Wayne Bridge being core members of the England squad in 06 please believe I'm not doing any debates with you

Eruditor:
That very same season, Totti scored 26 goals and had 9 assists (Top scorer and Top assist man). His team AS Roma also finished in 2nd position whereas Kaka's team finished 4th. BTW Kaka had 6 assists that season not 7 he was 15th on the assist log.

Totti had a stronger case to be the Serie A player of the year according to the very same stats some other person on this thread wanted to use against Cristiano. Can we now conclude that Kaka finishing above Totti, flattered his performances in Serie A that year? What that translates to is that Kaka got more credit than his performances deserved. Which means he was overrated that season in Serie A in this context.

@Iniesta, I don't know the year you are referring to for Iniesta. In 08/09 and 09/10 Messi was the LFP player of the year and he had more goals and assists combined than any other player whose team won a title. So Iniesta would not have deserved it had he won it those years- in fact, winning it would have overrated his contributions to Barca's success those years (at least when compared with Messi)- and thank heavens he did not.

So Kaka did not win a league title. Nor did he win the cup. However, he won the UCL. Sneijder won the cup, league and UCL as well as getting to the final of a WC. Since, Mou who was Sneijder's coach at the time was adjudged coach of the year, yet his best player, Sneijder, wasn't adjudged WPOTY. Can we agree that whoever won that title that year did not deserve to win it? In other words, Messi winning the WPOTY 10/11 was overrating his achievements that year (even if Messi received more votes than Sneijder)

From the fore-going can we conclude that a player's achievements for a year could be overrated even if the said player is great the best, just like Messi was in 10/11?

1. So why is it flawed for anyone to say a player could be great and still be overrated?

2. Why is it 'flawed' for anyone to say Kaka was overrated in 07 when he only performed spectacularly in 1/3 tournaments that he featured in said season?

NB: I am here because some people said anyone who makes both claims is waffling. I am showing you how someone can make both claims (which you don't need to agree with) but it does not mean the person is wrong.

My gee I don tell you make you no too waste your time with these guys. Imagine a full grown adult asking me how a good or great athlete can be overrated. Truly many are mad but few are roaming

Nihilist:
A40 my man!

What's popping...

Can you please explain what point you were trying to make when you said this to AdisaOwala?


*Switches on Vybz Kartel - Bike Back*

Illusionista. Tell us who had the better and more decorated squad between 2006 England and 2014 Argentina