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TRendlona:
Aguero doesn't have any Champions league to his name, he was no where to be found in Argentina's road to the WC final and Copa America final. He has only showed up for Man City and maybe Atletico Madrid. Even Higuain try pass am for national level.


Kaka was a great player but he lacked longevity. I can't say he's overrated but he isn't even in the class of Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Delima and co not to talk of Pele, Maradona and Messi.


Lampard was a great midfielder in his time there's no doubt about that. He won the Champions league, Europa cup, Premiership, FA cup etc but didn't show up at international level. He couldn't even make it to any semi final nor even third place.


Boateng has shown up in every aspect both club level and international level. He has won the World cup, Champions league, DFB pokal, Super cup etc He didn't just win it but he made great contributions to the victory. IMO, Boateng isn't an overrated defender. He showed up when it mattered . I'm still vexed at the way he and his co defenders stopped Messi during the WC final. The tin still dey pain me cos if not them, Messi would have had a WC to his name.

When someone is asking me how a player can be good yet overrated is there any point arguing with such person? If I say Kanye West or Wizkid are overrated does it mean they are not good?

That is why I said we should interact in pidgin. Since English is proving tedious

diggz:
Unless you can give an example of a thing or someone who is good and great but over rated at the same time, I do not see why pidgin shouldn't be the standard means of communication on this thread.

Omo you go wait tire oh. Its still evident people don't even understand what overrated means so why should I waste kilojoules when the fundamentals have not even been understood

Nihilist:
Usually Dayo would have backed him up...but this time left him to stand solo.
That's why I told A40 to recant his original illogical post first time round.
A player can be great and overrated at the same time - A40
Aguero is overrated- A40
Kaka was overrated - A40
Lampard was overated - A40
However Boateng is not Overrated- A40
How many gaffes in just one day tori Olorun?

Why not tell us where you saw Argentina struggle in Copa 16 and the 2014 WC.

Roland17:
You are not wrong about your thoughts, and don't over think why you are underrating them because it is legitimate. I feel same way sometimes but their history and record during the post season buttress reasons why.

While they may seem talented, which truthfully they are, their style of play is quite predictable. the Raptors are a jump shooting team whose stars tend to fade whenever you power the bright lights. DeMar has improved his game this season, however, it is still primarily hinged on 18 feet jump shots. Lowry is very inconsistent, infact, he historically has been the weak link during playoff's.

Remember last season when he stayed back after every game to practice shooting because he could not make a bucket to save his life? They need to expand their game past DeMar and Lowry; Carrol is not an offensive threat, however, he is potent on defense, especially one on one perimeter defense. They have nothing solid on the bench to push the game when necessary.

The Cavs or any consistent interior styled team would defeat them in my opinion because of their predictability. So don't over think your choice to underrate the Raptors.

Hmm. I thought this would be a down year for them tbh but I saw their games vs the Rockets and the Hawks. They are a damn good team I no go lie. While Lowry and DeRozan are the stars they have solid role players (Ross, Joseph, Patterson)

I think they rely a little too much on the 3-ball but they are a very cohesive outfit and consistent. Lowry's defense remains underrated and that of the team entirely

Who would you pick to beat them bar the Cavs in the East?

Donlittle:
i have been saying if the cavs are going to get any real challenge in the east, it's from the raptors. They are probably one trade away from having the perfect matchup against the cavs.

They have played twice this year against cavs, they had the answers for cavs till about 1 minute to go in both games.

They just can't close the game against them, once they figure out how to do that, we have a series in the playoffs.

I don't know who they trade for at this point. Because I feel they have chemistry. A trade could disrupt that.

diggz:
Bros, I don follow this conversation from the beginning. You n dayo at some point go need to revisit and adjust una logic.

When person no understand say you fit good but dey overrated then there is a problem. Be like say na pidgin we go dey use relate for here

AdisaOwala:
If you wanna do this (use it as a yardstick) - you would tie yourself in more tortuous knots of logic, trust me!

Abeg leave story for tortoise. When was Kaka's prime? He won WPOTY. And?

He was overrated. Simples. If you want to join debate then join and stop half stepping like Big Daddy Kane

Where is Nihilist? Who is the runner now?

Just come and tell us who Argentina struggled with to get to the Copa 16 Finals

Which L? From who and who? Abeggi. Ordinary 'overrated' some of una no understand

diggz:
Dayo naim create or start this rubbish...... I like A40 a lot but, my guy go take L for this one. This days you even find barka fans trying to do dayo.

Wahala, dey this NL.

overrate - /əʊvəˈreɪt/
verb
1. have a higher opinion of
(someone or something) than is
deserved.

AdisaOwala:
This is what happens when you attempt to generalize a particular hypothesis....using a stereotyped & rigid logic - a phenomenal player like Kaka (at his prime) becomes Overrated!

When was Kaka's prime? How long?

There is a reason he would go down as the biggest flop in Madrid's history

I have put up the definition of overrated yet people are still asking JAMB question. Ogini na fio?

overrate - /əʊvəˈreɪt/
verb
1. have a higher opinion of (someone or something) than is
deserved.

I no fit shout abeg

Nihilist:
Argentina at Copa 16 struggled against teams they were favourites to beat. Got to finals via some PK games.

Megedefegede on wax

AdisaOwala:
Ofcourse he wasn't overrated - definitely not when he was at his prime!

The yardstick you used (NT achievements) is the crux of the matter here....

If we are to ply that route, Kaka would be massively overrated!

Kaka lacked longevity. When was Kaka's prime? I make bold to say he was Overrated. His CL win came in a year Milan didn't even win the league. They finished 4th FFS

I think a lot of the hue and cry emanates from people not calming down to understand what the word 'overrated' even means. You can be good and even a great player but still be overrated

Nihilist:
You are the one that does not understand the criteria you set.

Let us apply your own faulty logic to Messi and Argentina

1. Where are the trophies - Messi has none

2. They should be dominate teams in the same way as the Dream Team of 92.

Argentina at the worldcup struggled to get to the Finals via extra time and PKs. Lost in the final. Not a dominant performance

Argentina at Copa 15 struggled against teams they were favourites to beat. Got to finals via some PK games. Lost in the final to the bookies underdog. Not a dominant performance


Argentina at Copa 16 struggled against teams they were favourites to beat. Got to finals via some PK games. Lost in the final to the bookies underdog. Not a dominant performance

3. Any team that consistently fails must be overrated. Outliers or bad tournaments can be forgiven.

Argentina Failed at WC - Outlier that can be forgiven

Lost to Chile Copa 15. Underdogs who had beaten Argentina only 8 times in their history compared to Argentina's history of over 50 wins. Failure number 1


Lost to Chile Copa 16. Underdogs who had beaten Argentina only 9 times in their history compared to Argentina's history of over 50 wins. Failure number 2. This also consecutive.

A40 by your faulty logic Messi is overrated. QED.

Naah you are just not understanding shyte. Period

1. Where are their Titles? A rhetorical question and that was all. I'm not responsible for your horrendous Bramblesque interpretation of this

2. Any analyst worth their salt knows Argentina was a very top heavy team that lacked balance. Let's compare rosters shall we: Rojo, Zabaleta, Garay, Demichelis, Romero, Biglia vs Cole, Hart,Terryble, Rio, Lampard, Gerrard e.t.c. Definitely not as endowed from top to bottom like England

3. They topped their group with maximum points. Did not concede a goal in knockout competition for over 440mins of football (Switzerland, Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany)

If that is failure. I am waiting for the year England would get to that level

What does history have to do with present football? What was Iceland's history when they wiped the floor with England?
Besides anybody still talking about Chile as a massive underdog circa 2015-2016 is clearly out of touch with reality. You even claimed Argentina struggled in Copa 16. Smh

Tbh you have only succeeded in wasting my time. I would congratulate you for that

AdisaOwala:
Kaka was a passenger in Brazil's squad at the 2002 WC - he only played 25 mins in the whole tourney!

Is Kaka overrated in your opinion? Answer that for starters and we can take it from there

AdisaOwala:
Kaka??

You do know Kaka has a WC medal right?

airmark:
Terry was a success at world cup 2006 without winning the cup. Gradually, your brain will be formatted and primed subconsciously.

Ewu. Is that the only tournament he played in? Your brains should be fed to boerbels, it is neither useful to you nor the society at large

airmark:
I will like to see how you look in real life. I am imagining a dejo tunfulu kinda look, it must be in tandem with senseless stuffs you spew here.


A40 is a tadpole. He needs ramuzaki to stand.

Apoche cra cra nobody wants to know what you look like which is probably the lovechild of a bat and a bonobo monkey. Your stewpidity has been made manifest again. Who is the Boateng in the English National team? Oponu always making burukutu analogies

On the one hand I am not standing on my own yet from the other side of Pataki Bobriskyy's sémen clogged mouth raumdeuter has left me to my argument.

What else can be expected from two drunk, gender confused mofos intoxicated off each other's DNA

Nihilist:
3.
Yet the top rated South American team flopping at 3 finals in a row is not a failure. Losing twice in a row to Chile the massive underdogs is not a failure...

A40 ladies and gentlemen...master contortionist at his best.

Losing on penalties in the Finals is flopping? The same Chile that nearly knocked out Brazil on their own soil na him you dey call 'massive underdog'

Losing to Germany in extra time is flopping?

We can also say Holland flopped in 74 and 2010

Walahi only Abraka igbo fit cause this kin craze

Nihilist:
2

Titles don't mean anything despite asking for performance similar to one of the most dominant sports teams in history

Based on the talent assumed to be on their roster it is a valid expectation

Should they fail to reach such heights then at the very minimum they should be able to get to the latter stages of said competitions

Bringing up a team that lost at the furthest stage as an example of failure shows serious misunderstanding on your part

Nihilist:
Why are you lying though?

1. You asked for titles.

2. You asked for performance similar to the arguably the most dominant team in sports history

3. You described the absence of both as failure.

Why would you ask for title if title does not mean anything?

Do you go to a bukka and ask for agbada? Do you go to a petrol station and ask for a tuber of yam?

Why ask such a pointless question then?

This is high grade megedefegede. Biko what is your native dialect maybe what I am saying has been lost in translation.

Where are their titles? And subsequently I went on to highlight that they failed not because they didn't win any titles but because they consistently failed to even play to their supposed level

Then you bring out another team who actually came closest to winning these titles as a counter to my points. When I have clearly highlighted you can succeed at a tournament without winning it

Confusion of the highest order

Nihilist:
These are relative terms.

Argentina in the Finals is successful relative to England in 2nd round.

Argentina in finals is a failure relative to Germany and Chile who won.

However that is a very different discussion.

A40s post deals in very absolute terms.

Where are his titles? If he keeps failing year in year out, the player is overrated.

His own words from his own mouth.

Why can't he stand by them?

I thought you were trolling but I can see you are genuinely confused.

That a team did not win a tournament does not mean they were failures at said tournament. The question is titles or not which major tournament can we say England succeeded at

I'm assuming you now understand you can be a success at a tournament without necessarily winning it

Nihilist:
At all bro.

Your misyarns were all contained in one post.

If we take it to Object Oriented design, we can say that your post was very well encapsulated.

You asked where the titles were and very clearly indicated that lack of titles was synonymous with failure.

Those are absolute terms which should be true in all scenarios.

Naah. Clearly you are using the concept of Encapsulation wrong

My post on titles and actual failure are like two paragraphs apart. I could be talking of an entirely different subject matter.

History is fraught with great players that didn't win major titles. That you assume i would tie success or failure solely to that shows your lack of understanding

I took time to clarify my stance in subsequent posts if I sounded ambigious ab initio yet you are still dropping more megedefegede

Nihilist:
The only way you can justify your gaffe is to compare Argentina to England.

Your criteria in your original post were very clear.

Your post does not ask for quarters, semis etc. It does not ask for comparison to other teams.

It simply asks for titles.

Where are the titles A40?

This is why I said that post was an exhibition in very poor logic because you cannot defend your stance purely within the parameters set in that post.

You have to look at semis and qualifiers. You have to ask what happens when Messi did not play etc...

The moment you start giving reasons why a lack of titles isn't necessarily failure, then your entire post questioning Lampard's lack of titles becomes utterly pointless...and is that what you want bro?

Long Essay like that to be rendered pointless crap?

Come on bro, I'm sure you can show us Messi's titles...

This is why I said you are chasing your tail. No gaffe was made

I asked for titles. I didn't say not winning them can be regarded as failure. Numerous teams fall into this bracket so your understanding is shallow, piss poor and laughable

Johan Cruyff never won a major international title. So please apply common sense

I was pretty clear when I stated why England could be considered failures and it had nothing to do with them not winning titles. You are pulling a strawman bruh

Failing != Failing to win a title

You are mashing up different parts of my posts and coming up with childish conclusions

If Messi that lost in the Finals of a tournament is a failure then how much more the ones from a country that have not gotten to said Finals in 50 years

Nihilist:
Lmao bobo don run yet again....

Run? You don't have a prayer

Nihilist:
When I said that you keep you keep twisting yourself around your poor logic like a snake, you come up with many different excuses.

See the original post that I quoted verbatim. You can see that you set the original context by asking why none of the likes of Owen Beckham Ferdinand Lampard and Terry don't have international titles...



So I'm very surprised that you've switched tack from demanding titles to asking for final appearances.

This was the very reason I called you out in the first place.

So let me ask you again....

So let us use the criteria you listed up there in that damning post...

Given his

1. Lack of senior international titles

2. Failure year in year out ( 3 years in a row)

Please explain how Messi is not overrated.

Otherwise you are a wasteman..

Your words not mine.

Ofe l'ohun. You can growl like DMX till you are blue in the face

The emboldened shows you still didn't understand my post ab initio

You are still not showing signs of improvement hence you leave me no choice but to pull the plug on this argument. Come back when you can tell the difference between narrowly losing Finals and missing the Euros altogether

raumdeuter:
I wonder why that is so difficult to understand. So Athletico who made 2 CL finals in 3 yrs is on the same level of failure as Arsenal who didnt make a quarter final, And Arsenal who fail at second round is on the same level of failure as Bate Borisov

I'm sleep yo. We can also say Atleti failed or compare Simeone to Wenger. Nihilist is just on a mission to obfuscate. Biting the bait was my mistake

airmark:
Stop disgracing yourself, if a player scored 16 penalties in over 12 league seasons, is that enough to demean him, by rating elber higher than him? You have problem analysing stats to reach informed conclusion. I can now see the reason you cant go past typing state and capital in excel worksheet and operating photocopier since 10 years.

You are a phoolish ewok. If only intelligence could be donated like blood perhaps your case would not be such a hopeless one. Who cares if he took 16 penalties in 300 seasons.

Focusing on goals scored via open play we can now see that Batistuta averaged .53 goals per game which gives him a negligible .02 edge on Elber. Which proves me right once again. Considering Elber at times supported Jancker sef it would take someone under the influence of potent Abraka igbo to argue that they are not comparable

Germany lost in the Korea Japan Finals, Netherlands lost in 2010. We can call this failure ba?