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Chelseafan1:
Is Ikedia still a footballer?? what club is he playing for please??

We are in December and Hidden Hazard is yet to score. No awoof penalty for am this season and his goals have dried up worse than the Sahara desert. What a disgrace

If either of Chelsea, Yawnited or Assnal fail to qualify in the UCL. This one wey Ruudie dey do now go be child's play

raumdeuter:
Bayern won in 2001 after rimming Man Utd home and away on the way

2013 Bayern won after sodomising Arsenal on the way

Deal with it

And every season for the past few years we have always pissed on an EPL team in the group stages whether its Man CIty or Arsenal.

DIfferent team same result

Add their Champions League together e no still reach Bayern. Specie get levels

Ighalo. Omo wobe

Mahrez hat trick. Chimoo

Is that why Ikedia is yet to score a goal this season?

raumdeuter:
Ribery pulls one back

Koenig

raumdeuter:
Some people no dey weigh the risk before dem bet

Mochengladbach wey beat us home and away last season na him person bet on say we go beat for Borrousia

On top say they are on a winning streak since they fired Favre

Lol dog wey go lost e no go hear hunter whistle. I told them no Costa, Thiago, Robben, Alaba yet them still give Bayern win with handicap gaan self

If no be for principle say I no fit bet against my team. Easy 9pts

Massacre. Na just my friends wey bet on Bayern I dey sorry for

Ighalo no let devuu use you oo. I made you captain for a reason

Some chances Lewandowski misses ehn you begin to wonder

raumdeuter:
Alaba injury is worse than expected and out till next year. Shame he was injured by Hojbjerg our player on loan at Schalke

Ribery might be able to get into the team sheet at least on the bench for the first time in 8months

Let Alaba rest well. We will need him in the second half of the season. I saw that tackle by Hojbjerg he is playing with his future at Bayern. It was silly to put it mildly, thank goodness that psycho Geis didn't play abi is that who is teaching him those dumbass tackles

crackhaus:
I believe the problem being with a woman with a high body-count (darn, I hate this word), has more to do with the possibility that you might know or run into three or more men who have had sex with her in the past...and trust me, YOU do not want to be in that situation where you overhear three strangers whispering about how your beloved wife used to bounce and scream on their erect c0cks.

Lol if such idle gist can make you start second guessing a woman who proves her loyalty to you on a daily basis then believe me you have no business with that woman. There are men who marry women with 1-2 kids and heaven did not fall down. Kini aye o ri ri? Since Ray J released 'I hit her first' for Kim K who e don epp?

crackhaus:
It's not really about her puna having a puna-meter for measuring the radius and circumference of an overused and overworked kitten.

So what is it about?

crackhaus:
And hey, if you were Barack Obama having an aspiration for political office (Senate or presidency) in a country like America where politicians are thoroughly vetted to avoid scandals, you definitely would care/consider how high the body-count goes for the woman you wish to marry.

It isn't flimsy, and saying it is doesn't make you seem more civilized or modern.

How many bodies does it take to create a scandal? As if s€x scandals are the only kind that exist. Show me one man who has lost an election on account of the body count of their wives. Maybe Perez Hilton and TMZ have time for that but even they will drop the issue when hotter gossip pops up.

It is flimsy and it has zilch to do with civilization. I demand a lot more from a woman than her previous sexual history

TV01:
I told you there was nothing to quibble about, and you are reaching with your assertions; I am not fixated - but I see it as a consideration (amongst others), and not something to be overlooked. Neither have I said virginity makes a woman ideal or necessarily superior. What I have said is ATBE, a virgin to low count will be preferable to a high count. I have also said increased count brings increased risk - and those risks are behavioural as well as physical.

I am not reaching, you even tagged a girl's persona to who she's slept with. Its not a consideration for me because its not a contest neither is it an exact science that actually proves anything. Your virgin or low body count girl just might be averse to s€x as a whole.

Again the issue of risk is subjective, a fatter virgin is probably more liable to diabetes than a slim woman with a high body count. What on earth does this prove?

TV01:
Not a meter per se, but promiscuity can engender all kinds of issue, which can potentially rear and prove problematic in a later union.

There are a million and one things that can bring about issues in a marriage going forward. Promiscuity is only an issue if she is still indulging after marriage. Provided she was open and didn't leave you blindsided I don't see the problem. If you don't appreciate her trust me someone else will

TV01:
I said I am not being prescriptive, whether one is concerned or not, checks or not, that is their prerogative. I happen to believe it is something to be be given due consideration - and advise accordingly.

Well I am not here to change your beliefs neither do I believe you are capable of changing mine. Let's just leave it at that

TV01:
The deep bonds that form between a couple can be impaired if a woman has repeatedly bonded and unbonded in the past. Do you know women may even carry epigenetic/phenotypical detail from previous lovers (forgive my weak science)?

Lai se pe e se blood covenant? You no like James Bond. Knackers and knackees are moving on with their respective lives on a weekly basis and you are busy touting myths and urban legends

TV01:
And as already stated, the higher the number of priors, the more likely a woman is to be dissatisfied in a union. And there are numerous health issues that can arise as a result of her sexual history.

This is a theory that has not been and I dare say cannot be substantially proven. There are numerous health issues that occur whether you choose to have s€x or not. If both parties however stay within the bounds of their marriage then what are these issues you keep going on about

TV01:
And you are free to both believe and act on that. I believe it can have an impact, so should be considered.

Exactly. And i believe the opposite

TV

TV01:
^{I must say I am puzzled at you insistence of totally separating a woman's notch count from her character or behaviour, and also seemingly able to view sexual actions as devoid of moral implications and therefore not a consideration when choosing a spouse?}

What is puzzling about that? It is separable because it is not an exact science. You cannot judge a woman by the sheer number of dudes she's knacked with no consideration for the context with which it happened, her mental state at the time and numerous factors I do not have time to list. So a girl shows her loyalty to you and you continually insist on holding her body count against her. Mba! Too many things I place above a woman's body count

Timbuktou:
Your scam a scam artist. One need not be innocent to be scammed. Ignorant, yes. Innocent, not necessarily. However, in this case, there was no scam involved. I seriously doubt promises of eternal couplehood were made. It'funny we don't here of her previous sexual partners. Was she older than them all? The fax of this story is that she desperately wanted to hook this particular person and she did what she thought could keep him. Alas, she was grossly mistaken. No be her type. Neighbourhood bicycle? Tufiakwa. She miss road. Wrong move. Bad investment.

Abeg make we free that girl matter. She was selling herself dreams and chasing waterfalls. The people wailing on her behalf are not helping her cause and that of younger girls

Timbuktou:
What is wrong in men being innocent? It works to the benefit of the home as the woman's innocence does. Per your virgin comment, which is why i use the term chaste. Nobody is saying stick to the first virgin you meet. Indeed, one who isnt untouched coud very well be the perfect partner. There's a reason why certificates anred qualification demanded at job interviews. Does it mean everyone who gets an employment letter is going to perform well? Oga, ask women about their first love. First love o, and then first sex. God help the husband if he doesn't measure up to either. It's common sense really.

I don't see what innocence has to do with a marriage that needs a lot of other things to work for it to be a success. Especially when that innocence is mostly sexual

The job and certificate analogy is a bit out of place here. Qualifications imply competence or at least a basic knowledge on the job being applied for. Virginity does not imply any of that

If it were down to first love or first s€x then a lot of women would still be single. Reality and biology bites. Aimoye first love to ti marry wey all man don find square root. Wahala and grown up responsibilities no go let you remember your first knack

Timbuktou:
Sugabelly was never a victim. At no point did she say she was held against her home will. All the crazy things she did were done because she didn't want to displease her boyfriend not out of any physical compulsion. And I think it serves a valid lesson for before marriage, maybe when i get home i'll explain better my opinion.

Assuming the story is true then it could be argued she was a victim at the initial stage.

There are numerous ways women suffer abuse. A virgin can suffer emotional and psychological abuse even physical abuse. Which would leave her equally damaged so I don't see any lessons here to be learned unless you want girls to avoid boys altogether

TV01:
It's a strawman because you are saying a virgin may well make a bad wife - true - but as if a non-virgin cannot be a bad wife for exactly the same reasons a virgin can. And being a non-virgin can present issues as a result of that exact reason.

No. You are completely missing the point! I'm simply telling you to look at the bigger picture, you are clearly fixated on the idea that a woman being a virgin makes her an ideal or superior partner. That is megedefegede

TV01:
I do not judge a woman according to her virginity, for all but two in the world, I don't even care . But, when it comes to taking a wife, body count is a factor and should therefore be a consideration. I'm not being prescriptive mind, just my view.

Body count? Puna get meter? No be wetin dem tell you you go know? Abeggi! We know una type even if she tells you its only 2 you would be like 2!! That's too much

Do you think Barack cared about Michelle's body count? Angela Merkel Madame Bettencourt? Its not a consideration for me and never will. So I'd turn down a woman who could potentially complete me because of something as flimsy as that? No can't do

TV01:
A high body count increases risk - of both physical and non-physical issues. Fact!

It increases zilch if she is not sleeping around while you are with her. There are numerous health issues that can plague a couple that go above and beyond her s€x history

TV01:
Nope, I'm saying it's a consideration when choosing a wife.

For you perhaps. I on the other hand do not believe success or failure is transmitted s€xually

TV01:
That's a double strawman;

I said ATBE...guess what? non-virgins can be terrible wives, mothers, and managers of resources (they've already proven the last one se? )

And yes, there is more to being a wife than virginity, I made that point quite clearly. But having a body count of >2 for a woman increases the risk factor - at the very least. And, there is no evidence of a correlating effect for men - although I would question that.

...and who "she knacked", would have everything to do with who she is!

TV

How is that a strawman? I'm essentially telling you there is more to a woman than her virginity. I have never said not being one
makes you a better person than an actual virgin. I'm saying to me it counts for zilch.

There are various medical ways to check and confirm your intended partner is A-Ok so find another story. Abi non sexual diseases no dey? Abeg make we leave story for Puff daddy.

What of guys who knack both good and bad girls? Abi a girl that knacks is bad by default?

You're essentially defining a girl by who she slept with. Smh

TV01:
First, that is simply not true, the human race might not survive without it, but people will !
And it's not for "all of life"; not before puberty, or long after middle-age for most. If it was, we'd have to give it to babies.

Pr0stitution is the oldest profession in the world for a reason, let's not sit here and continue to kid ourselves.
Babies do not have the capacity for that. Same way they cannot walk, talk and do a lot of other vital human tasks on their own volition

TV01:
There is a best/aspirational setting for sexual congress - that is marriage. Earlier would help.

Its not the aspiration IMO. I see it more as an add on benefit. Companionship is what counts. If you guys are not compatible i fail to see how being a virgin helps

TV01:
I have no problem with this at an individual level, but a free-for all at a societal level will not end well.

Who comprises society no be individuals?

TV01:
No, it won't define a woman, but it will certainly influence her as a wife - every man would take care to be considered about his own wife.

This I doubt strongly. A woman can have some deficiencies that even her virginity can't salvage. It is the least trait I would consider while seeking for a wife

TV01:
You're having a laugh aren't you? Women are never responsible. They are vulnerable, naive, immature, victims ati be be lo....but never, ever resposible.

TV

Lol that mentality needs to change.

TV01:
I won't quibble, as there is no need, I caveated with ATBE. At the very least it increases the risk factor.

Would you choose SB over a similarly situated virgin? Or advise your brother to if you are a woman?


TV

You could be a virgin and still be a terrible wife, mother, person and manager of resources, you could be one and not help your man get to where he needs to in life. There is more to being a wife than virginity abeg. I don't know SB in person but from the little I've read I wouldn't want anything to do with her and no it has absolutely nothing to do with who she knacked

Timbuktou:
Lol. My Yoruba is good. However, I'm of the opinion that most of those who lost out in the jibiti are grooming their younger ones and daughters to be better players of the game, and by better players I mean sharper opportunists. World events happen simultaneously and at the same time we live our lives. So, when when an unsuspecting female is being scammed, when she could have saved herself for marriage, the sêxual revolution is going telling her it's perfectly ok to carry on on that path. Before you know it she's 21 with a body count of 12. The only kind of advice any of them have is of the opportunistic variety. How to spot the players from the Magas and such; the ones worth giving it up for so you get something when/if it ends.

Per chastity, I used to have that same reasoning but i learned the very hard way that it does matter. We have to look no further than the recent thread where a woman wants to divorce her husband of less than a year because he has idolised her. He's showing her too much love and it's iritated her to the point where she's conemplated divorce. But she's been with other men and he's had no such corresponding experience. The idea is innocence. Now, compare with the woman who's husband complaining her husbnad would rather be everywhere but with her. There's a reason why women never forget their first loves and the men who deflowered them. It's not a myth, there actually is a bond that comes with deflowering and even the act of sex itself; an experience and bond that can only be obliterated by a far far more phenomenal experience such as the one in this Sugabelly saga. I doubt she remembers the day she first had sex. Audu done reformat her harddrive, RAM and OS. Another advantage to having a chaste woman is to avoid harbouring damaged women like this one. I pity the man who ends up paying her bride price. And be under no illusions, it will be paid; by some "enlightened" fool who can see past her past. A past that will even set the tone for their relationship.

This is not to say being chaste confers superior mothering or wifely skills, but it goes a long way in how the woman avails herself in the home or, at least, it used to.

Abeg, pardon my ramblings. It's a really broad subject.

Which invariably makes them part of the problem. Cunning man will die and cunning man will always bury am, however the word scam implies innocence on the side of a party but when the participants are willing I do not think it is a scam anymore. I initially said earlier that a girl planning on holding body till marriage has no business dating a guy significantly older than her. What are the odds she won't be asked to bend her principles? For me I think the important thing is for a girl to give it up on her own terms this way she is less likely to feel resentful about it

Innocence ke? This is a fully grown man we are talking about here. Besides when you say virgin what do you really mean? Are you talking of a girl or guy who has done pretty much every other thing but the act of being penetrated or doing the penetration. I think the husband might have just been a bit naïve. This is why beyond virginity you need to also study the other person's personality. The idea of your first love and all that only matters as much as you let it, reality bites and at some point you have to snap out of it and welcome yourself to the real world.

Sugabelly's case is a weird and rather extreme one. She morphed from 'victim' to accomplice. At some point she had the power to completely free herself, she was in a different continent FFS. I wouldn't use that as a bullet point to avoid s€x before marriage. Everyone has their vice even the chaste girls, which one can you live with is the question?

TV01:
It's not merely a moral belief, it's documented fact. Women with anything than 0-2 sexual partners before marriage are more likely to express dissatisfaction with their marriages along a range of indicators - All Things Being Equal. Is she's stretched she'll kvetch !

And there are a whole host of other possible issues, fertility etc, simply making it a much riskier exercise.

ATBE being key; not saying a proud stubborn virgin will be better than a properly reformed "bad girl".
TV

Documented by whom? Its not an exact science. A lot factors can lead to dissatisfaction in marriage and it goes beyond a woman's chastity before marriage.
There are risks involved I agree but there are a lot of other things that could also mess with your health in today's world anyway

Costa, Robben and Alaba all out for tomorrow at Gladbach. Chai!

Since Rode is back I'd suggest

-----Lahm----Boa-TANK----Benatia----Bernat


-----Alonso-------Javi-------Vidal----


-----Mueller------Lewa--------Coman

Could also swap Coman for Rode and put Mueller just behind Lewandowski. This could be our toughest test yet

Mindfulness:
I have unfettered liberty and sexual freedom whether you like it or not and I have been enjoying it very much.

I don't need your consent, support or help. I am very fine.

Shame me.

Lol. Don't mind TV, s€x is a basic and primal human need. Everyone should have a choice and deal with the consequences afterwards. Indulging in it or holding body should not define a woman. In the same vein a woman shouldn't knowingly get into relations where that independence is compromised and then hold the man responsible for her actions or inactions

TV01:
Actually, unless she has had a a total change of mindset & heart, it almost certainly will.

I frankly do not see the connection. Its hard to tell me that would make you a better partner, planner and mother just because you happened to be a virgin before marriage. I no believe that one rara

TV01:
Per the ongoing theme about older women schooling younger ones you are discussing with Timbuktou; outside of close-knit blood/familial relationships, it simply won't work.

Women are generally too competitive. Competing for - the best – men, and status. And most have an almost embedded sense of where they are placed and the implacable desire to one-upwomanship” others. It’s women who shame the most, and generally disparage others for their looks bodies etc.

It even works in reverse; not only will they try to out-compete, the will work assiduously to pull others down to their level or status. A woman divorces, she will campaign for divorce, she’s a single mum, will describe single-mums as hot cakes. If she sleeps around, she will sell it as freedom/liberating. If she’s ina bad marriage , she will proffer advice likely to harm or crash others.

And they rarely admit mistakes, either rationalising them as good/learning experiences, outright lying to themselves and everyone else, or placing blame elsewhere if it’s undeniable.

T'was ever thus.
TV

And this is why these things go on unabated. You have hit the nail on the head really. I've read a lot of mostly reactive posts with people mostly treating the symptoms not the disease

Timbuktou:
Do you think they think they made mistakes? Perhaps, mistakes in not being looser when they were younger, nothing more. Let's take a poll in this section on women who would go back and spend a year in spinsterhood if they'd like to do anything differently. Only a minute percentage would enter marriage chaste. Did you not read the Intending Wives thread?


Btw, girl power is exactly this. Power and freedom to do as girls please. What they failed to put into account is that someone with power and freedom also has responsibilities. It's interesting to note that cultures the world over placed a premium on women being virgins before marriage and the men had to be responsible. But that was archaic. Funny thing is they don't realise that nothing is new under the sun.D

I agree to an extent in the sense that it would be less of a mistake if they were the ones calling the shots and in control of the situation, however I feel like a lot of them usually wish they made better choices, aimoye awon tan ti je wan lobo jibiti (apologies if you don't understand yoruba) do they genuinely not want the ones behind them to not make the same mistakes that they did and maintain a perceived higher moral ground than them.
I personally don't care if a woman I'm marrying was chaste before we met. It will not make her a better wife or mother

The second part of your post I concur with and believe women should go into a relationship with a level of responsibility, certain things you simply shouldn't accept from any man. You enable him by not finding your square root and turnaround to label men monsters. Smh

See this story for example, why and to what end did she expect a relationship with a 25 year old dude to lead to? Assuming she wanted a chaste relationship what would have been the odds of that happening with someone who probably has 10yrs plus experience of watching mojo and has a list of things he wants to do before he dies. A girl cannot date someone at that point and expect things to end well

I'd rather people shifted focus to the truly vulnerable ones. Not that Suga person

BoboYekini:
If I hear. Every older woman hates the guts of the young supple ones. With their smooth tight bodies in sheer clothing, catwalking up and down like say na their papa get the complex.

Exactly. Its mostly eye service. Even within friends, everyone sees the other as a threat. Married women shut out their single friends and vice versa. Apart from the faux outrage when these cases come up not much else changes. Some men no dey try but a few of these ladies are not doing their part. I might sound misogynistic but a girl at that age dating a guy significantly older than her in a Nigerian setting is begging for that kind of abuse.

Curry was getting back on defence and turning his back on the ball before it hit the rim. Unbelievable

Skywalker5:
If curry ever gets injured, that's the end for the warriors. The whole game revolves around him

Lol we can say that for the Cavs with Lebron and just about any other team. Water is wet

Timbuktou:
You mean the older ones that regret not sampling a million men before getting married? The older ones that advise the younger ones to date as many as they can so that they can get it out of their system? The older ones that are distributing kpomo as we speak? Bros abeg.

Well if all the talk of girl power is genuine and not a marketing ploy. And ladies do have the real and not oju aye kind of love for the younger ones then they should be able to give them some game and help them avoid some of the same mistakes they made

freecocoa:
And a man of 25 is equals in everything with a girl of 17 Abi?

Girls at 17 more often than not desire an older guy. Most likely he has a car, a place, is more 'mature' forgetting what they hold dear s€x, virginity e.t.c they would trivialize and trample all over them for it. I'm not saying guys their age wouldn't do that either but it would be easier for her to put a halt to things and it would be a lot harder for her to get manipulated by a guy her age

5minsmadness:
I agree it was statutory rape. It's the law.
I do not agree the girl was forcefully raped. She consented.
I do not agree the girl is blameless. She's seventeen, not brain dead.

This is also my stand.

Girls really need to start talking to each other. The older ones to the younger ones. While there are exceptions I do believe at 17 that girl was not too young to make better choices. Why was she so adamant on being in said relationship at the time and a toxic one at that? You mean she had no toaster who would have treated her far better than the accused? Would she have tolerated such behavior from a younger significantly broker boy. Lol your guess is as good as mine.

I remember my first years in Uni where girls from nearby QC would come to nightclubs with 300level and final year boys. They wanted nothing to do with Jambites never mind boys still in secondary school

At that stage you are likelier to be in an abusive relationship and that is simply the truth. No one really knows what went down between those two. Women will always defend their fellow women and vice versa. I detest r@pe and I do believe no real man should be caught in such vile acts however y'all women also need to protect yourselves where you can

What can one say about the Mamba that hasn't already been said. Legendary baller and in my eyes the best since M.J. It was the right move as his body has clearly broken down on him, he really pushed himself too hard and there's only so much the human body can take. Been a fan since 2000 and will always remain a fan

Warriors are 19-0. Draymond Green must be voted an all-star this year. He has been as important as Steph for that Warrior team

What is wrong with the Rockets? Lol at Dwight who refused to learn under Kobe, he would most likely retire without a ring barring a divine miracle

chic2pimp:
Dude i have to be honest, I was one of those naysayers. Thought it would be another routine win for wladmir. The change of stance thingy really confused him and showed him up for the one dimensional fighter He is. A rematch would be interesting though. Lest now klitschko knows He has to attack and not just rely on his jab

This was why I was so disappointed with Haye and especially Samuel Peters who with better coaching and an even 10 per cent commitment to keeping a reasonable fighting shape would have stood a chance to beat Klitschko

Klitschko's chin is suspect. If he goes all out attack Tyson would definitely knock him down.