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nateevs:
What the hell do you mean by lower tier of greats? Have I stumbled on the wrong argument? I could have sworn this whole thing came from a logic used to describe Boateng. Is Boateng a great now?

You don't know there are levels to greatness?

Boateng is a great now, the average EPL and Chelsea fan consider Gianfranco Zola of all people a great how much more a treble and World Cup winner like the Boa-TANK

nateevs:
Help me here. So Dennis Bergkamp, Ballon d'Or 3rd place and 2nd place back to back years cannot be considered in this discussion because he hasn't won a major international title but Boateng can?

I am out mate. I have little time for NL these days and cannot be spending it on arguments like these.

Balon D'Or counts for little. Andrea Pirlo has never finished in the top 2. Beckham has done so twice! Mueller has never finished in the top 2 or 3 but he is certainly better than Bergkamp. And yes in the pantheon of greatness Bergkamp's lack of an international title would always see him rank just below.

No need for announcement.

timbros:
Boateng didn't dominate any final. He was just another team member.

JT made fifas TOTT in 2006 although England crashed out in quarter finals. Boateng couldn't make it even when his team won the cup.

Let us get to this TOTT you have been on about ad nauseaum. I would even sidestep the fact that he had no business being on the list to begin with but let's take a cursory glance at the teams John Racist faced

Paraguay
Trinidad and Tobago
Sweden
Ecuador

It is lol-worthy that anyone would brag about performances against any of these teams listed above

In 2010 he was DESTROYED by a Thomas Mueller who could not even legally buy beer. Is that who you are comparing to Boa-TANK?

Nihilist:
Pedro has won everything that Messi has won...plus World Cup and Euros.

Pedro is also not from a traditional 'footballing power' like Messi.

Goetze has scored in World Cup Final. Messi has not.

Therefore Pedro>>Messi. Goetze >>Messi.
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Pedro does not even start for Spain. He is a spare-tire

Boa-TANK is not a spare-tire

Messi has helped his team to a Final. John Racist has not gotten that far, John Racist does not have multiple CL medals

Compare like for like Bros

You guys picked up Kovacic. I'm suprised no one is talking about him.

Looks like a decent prospect and potential Modric replacement, though I'm not sure he's worth what y'all paid for him.

raumdeuter:
This is where we know most Chelsea fans are autistic
. That play it was Per Mertersacker one of EPL best defenders who screwed up on the half way line
Boateng chased him his team was leading by 7 goals with a few mins to go and on their way to the final A smart defender knows well to leave him and let him score rather than tackle and risk a card

Lol logic is foreign to that bonobo monkey. Germany were 7-0 up in the 89th minute. Where was Oscar and why didn't he pull this stunt when the game was 0-0, 1-0 or even 2-0

Let him go and remove the WC medal from Boa-TANK's neck.

Chestar5:
nah, am fyn here as a permanent blues supporter ... Every one have different taste

No worries its only a matter of time before your taste becomes Bavarian in nature. You recognize Mueller's genius so you are already on the right track

chic2pimp:
He has not just been Fortunate, He was a key component of those defences. I know you see individual awards as nothing more than popularists opinions(i do at times) but you also should consider the fact that these said nominees must have done/or be doing something right to have their names mentioned in the first place.

It seems the entire nation of England can never be fortunate. It seems like its karma for their epic heist in 66
(Not like I believe in karma anyway, just believe they can't hack it)

I don't judge players on individual awards, I look at wins and the roles the players played in them. Some players will retire and never get their due credit others will be severely overrated
and get more than they deserve. The denominator is how much success have you been able to help your club and country achieve. The Boa-TANK has helped his club and country to 4 International titles in 3 years. If such a player is yet to win an individual award then individual awards count for zilch.

chic2pimp:
Regarding my Henry/Terry analogy, have a good look at Nateev's post. He explains it fully. Also FA cup is a major international competition abeg. It might not be one here on NL, but around the world, it is still highly rated and watched.

You should never use Henry to defend John Racist, their paths are not the same. Henry might not have shone at Finals but he at least helped his team there, John Racist was sent off when Chelsea were down 2-0 and missed the UCL Final, Chelsea won it in his absence. Henry has a Euro and WC title, John Racist has not gotten to the semis of either tournament. Gigantic difference


The FA cup is a local competition. I don't care how rated it is its still not an international tournament. Only teams from England can play in it. No?

nateevs:
Baba na WC I ask you about. I no mention Euros. Tell me what Henry's contribution was in the WC (tournament and final) seeing as you mentioned it to make a point.


Then proceed to tell me how Shevchenko has "helped" his team past the QF of a major tournament for his country. And let me spare you the time of coming back with the "Football Powerhouse" thing. Tell us how Dennis Bergkamp may be considered less of a football great as he never won WC, Euros or CL.

Euros is a major International tournament so it definitely counts

I have listed Henry's contribution for you in the previous posts. Please refer to them

Secondly John Racist is yet to even get to the Semi-finals of any national tournament so that disqualifies your juxtaposition with Henry. Intoto

Shevchenko is not from a footballing power state. They made their first WC in 2006! Haven't gotten there since Comparing Ukraine to England is Pass Interference. Plus Shevchenko actually helped his team to a CL, Chelsea won theirs in John Racist's absence

Dennis Bergkamp is a great in his own right but in the lower tier of greats, you need a major international title to be in that discussion. The rest is all sentiments and fantasies

timbros:
Under whose watch?! Hahahaha...

Abeg stop making me laugh here. This must be the joke of the century.

So Mats Hummels was sleeping when your Boateng was keeping watch? Lol..

Go and google TOTT and see if ANY WEBSITE place Boateng above Hummels in the CB position. Post the link here if you see any.

Hahahaha.... Under Boateng's watch indeed!

Under Boa-TANK's watch!!

Germany conceded the same number of goals when Boa-TANK and Hummels were on the pitch but Boa-TANK played a lot more minutes. If it were down to Hummels alone Germany would have lost that Final

I have told you before that I don't give a rat's a$$ about TOTT. David Lulz whose defence leaked 10 goals in 2 games made the list so that destroyed every ounce of credibility it could have

nateevs:
The analogy is simple. And it is that Henry has never performed excellently in a final or should I say as your mate Dayo puts it "dominated in a final" . . but Drogba has time and again. So did this fact ever make Drogba more highly rated than Henry throughout their careers?

We are talking about major international competitions not Milk Cup, Ojude Oba Cup and the likes

Drogba has 1 Final success out of 4. Hell he couldn't even dominate a final vs freaking Zambia,

nateevs:
Henry is a WC winner. Fine. But what was his contribution to the final and in the final? It's funny how you guys pick and choose which argument is suitable. Just boring us over and over with this sh1t for over 4 months now.

Euro 2000 Henry was France's highest goalscorer and scored in the semis that they won 2-1

Germany 2006 Henry was France's highest goalscorer and scored the lone goal that sent his country to the semis

John Racist has never helped his team past the quarter-final of any major tournament for his country, so how does the comparison with Henry come about?

nateevs:
Just stop this "Kazeem has won the UCL, he must be better than Kareem" rubbish!

Next folks will be putting Stephane Guivarch and Ibrahimovic in the same bracket of strikers because the former won the WC. There's a reason why individual awards are given.

This your analogy na offside! Pass interference

Ibrahimovic is not from a traditional football power Terry is from one

Guivarch has no career of note for club but the Boa-TANK does.

Baba try something else

Katsumoto:
Brethen

Not hiding here; my first posts in a while.

I get your point but I still rate Boateng higher. I actually think Boateng doesn't get the required plaudits because he is an African playing for a country that was once ruled by Hitler and the Nazis. If Boateng had so many vulnerabilities, Germany would have considered more goals enroute to the finals and may not have even won the cup.

But I guess we get to agree to disagree on Boateng but agree on Terry.

Boa-TANK has come a long way. His first season and parts of his second season at Bayern I would never have mentioned him among the elite. Absolutely not

However there's no need for Jigi Bola to recognize the boy has become a reliable rock in the heart of defence for teams that have gone on to win a UCL and a World Cup. Of course he is good for an error in a game but show me that defender who isn't

I have no care for individual awards or plaudits. Bayern is filled with players who never got their due credit in their playing days and I know better than to judge players on that

You totally hit the nail on the head. If Boateng is so bad then why on earth is he a surefire starter for two of the best teams in football. I wanna know like Meek Mill

Katsumoto:
DSTV Boys!!

That must be some kind of heavy diss; I can only speculate.

You be oldie you suppose know wetin DSTV boys imply. People that think DM's are playmakers wetin make we call them?

chic2pimp:
JT isn't just a product of English Hype. He is actually a Great defender(or was in his pom). Let's say it how it is abeg. That He has been able to maintain such a level of consistency over a long period of time says a lot about the Man.


With regards to the Henry comparison, you do know He is yet to score in a major final whilst DD has done that a number of times right?

He is a product of English hype. He has not only played in ultra-defensive system but also been fortunate to have exceptionally good defensive partners

When he had to play in a more expansive setup we all saw the result, John Terry became a laughing stock

Henry is a WC and Euro winner, scratch FA cup finals we are talking about major Finals in International competitions, Drogba's record is 1/4. Terry is not Henry so I don't quite get the analogy

Katsumoto:
Individual awards are nothing more than popularity contests. Messi is the best player in the world no doubt but even he hasn't deserved every award he has won.

Terry is overrated; doesn't get exposed so much because he is part of a tight defensive unit at Chelsea. He has always had solid partners.

Boateng all day everyday over Terry.

Just my opinion.

Chale where you dey since? Please come and help us school awon DSTV boys!

I can't believe peeps are using FIFPro as a benchmark. An award Iniesta made 6 years in a row and Pirlo has only made once. That is not an award anybody should take seriously

donsimon2:
im seriously considering getting mahrez...diouf didnt do too badly today sha,

You are still considering? I have bought him already

I no come Lagos come count bridge

Benatia out for several weeks. Gbese re oo

Chestar5:
who is talkin to you

I was sayin of muller, actually am a bayern fan as well as a chelsea fan but my love for bayern is conditional and that is for thomas 'raumdeuter' muller

So you sef sabi better thing?

You seem too fly and intelligent to support a rubbish club like Chelsea. Come roll with the winners FC Bayern (on a permanent basis)

timbros:
Lol... A40 easy with the cussing abeg.

So Boateng doesn't need individual awards to validate his greatness? Wow! That's a new one to me. So on what basis should we validate his greatness then?

Someone who played 7 matches in the world cup and no single MOTM award. No place in the TOTT. What did he even play in this world cup that you guys won't let us rest?

I'm not the only one doing the cussing so if you won't be balanced and impartial then just try dey your lane

What is the criteria for voting MOTM? Can you tell us?

How many MOTM and TOT awards has Busquets won? How many PFA's and player of the month did Makelele win?

Germany only conceded two goals under Boa-TANK's watch one of the goals his team was 7 goals up.

Won ti sare rush wa sha! Haha e ma ba ticket mi je tori Olorun

SIRcumalot:
Lewandonski don injure ?

Birthday hangover

Starting XI

Neuer - Benatia, Robben, Costa, Alonso, Boateng, Götze, Lahm (c), Vidal, Müller, Alaba

airmark:
Before carvalho came, terry was Chelsea's player of the year in 2001. At 26, Terry had been honoured and awarded by Chelsea, English FA, UEFA and FIFA as best defender. Vidic, carvalho, Rio, Ramos at one time or the other were honoured by these reputable soccer bodies. Your Jerome boatank has never won any individual award, not even from his club Bayern munich, yet the id,iot will be 27 next month. You are a t.wat.

Shut up your cess-hole you malignant gnat! What was Chelsea's standing in world football in 2001 that being tagged their player of the year amounted to anything! My point still stands that John Terry was a nobody till Carvalho's arrival while Carvalho was already a UCL and Europa League winner while also helping his nation to a Euro Final.

John Racist was a product of hype and as we've gone on to see all his teams have gone on to achieve success in his absence

Boa-TANK does not need any individual award to validate his greatness same way Busquets does not need individual award to validate his ability! They are arbitrary with no clear metric on how they are determined. Only a bushpig like you would use that to downgrade a player who are key cogs in the wheels of success for their team. He is one of Europe's elite defenders as we speak whether you like it or not

Ewu! No wonder you think Nigel De Jong and Jeremy Toulalan are playmakers. You are a TOOL-a-lan

lalaboi:
no mind A40. . . Nairaland has moulded him into the ultimate dissing machine . . Nowadays dude is on diss mode by default he cant even tell Sarcasm.

I'm just catching trips with y'all. This is all fun and games for me

The only sarcastic person was airmark which is why I didn't respond to him anyway

My point still remains tho John Racist is overrated. Eni to ba wu ko be

bigkesh:
Pique,Ramos,Vidic,Ferdinand, Carvalho, kuffour......... U should be flogged naked in the Market square for this.....
Just add Delaney and Richard Dunne

You are so obtuse! Rio, Ramos and Vidic are a 100 times better than John Racist. What was John Racist's achievement before he was partnered with Carvalho who was already running things with Porto while yall were still Man U and Arsenal's beeches

Sango electrocute your left scrotum. Eediot!

hensben:
You're becoming a nuisance lately.

You are a nuisance for even quoting me to begin with

donjazet:
YOU ARE A FOOL. F*CK OFF THIS THREAD!!!!

Thunder faya that your canker-sores filled mouth and the leprous fingers you quoted my post with. Eran ibiye

bigkesh:
Mourinho: "Not sure about managers starting with P beating me, but seasons where we start 2-2 at home... I win the treble! Porto and Inter."

Looooooooool treble ko Soprano ni

airmark:
Oya A40 my guy, list those 25 defenders. I don spread mat.

bigkesh:
oya 25. sharp sharp

Without even racking my brain

Germany - Sammer, Lahm, Boa-TANK, Kohler
Spain - Puyol, Pique, Ramos, Hierro
Serbia - Vidic
England - Ferdinand
France - Thuram, Abidal, Desailly, Evra,
Italy - Nesta, Cannavaro, Zambrotta
Portugal - Carvalho
Brazil - Thiago Silva, Dani Alves, Cafu, Carlos
Argentina - Zanetti
Netherlands - Stam
Ghana - Kuffour

Terry ko, Tha Rapman ni

adebayo201:
please explain that part...

Cuadrado Schuerrle Salah
You can even add KDB and Willian if we want to be flexible

airmark:
At least, lets pretend as if your senseless points made sense and force ourselves to dance to your stvpid tune. Was it mou that coached the English team to the 2006 world cup in which Terry was the only English player that was honoured in the all stars World cup team after the competition? lets assume another defensive oriented coach took them to the world cup, was Terry the only defender in the English team? That tells you if you are a good player, no one can take it from you when you are at your peak.

You are a dense! A basehead that thinks Nigel De Jong and Jeremy Toulalan are playmakers should not be taken serious in any argument. We have told you that individual awards don't mean much in the big picture, no wonder you think Busquets (one of the best DM in his generation) sucks

Brainlessav Moronovich as ritchboy would say

airmark:
Meanwhile Terry made the FIFPro World XI for five consecutive seasons, from 2005 to 2009, including 2 years after mourinho had left chelsea. Can a sensible person still claim it was mourinho effect again or say he is overhyped? Below are the individual honours Terry has got, tell me of any defender that has got that and we don't appreciate him? Please if you can come up with something brilliant, everyone will appreciate your contribution. What you wrote up there is something that should only stay in your bedroom.

I would list 25 defenders who have not made FIFPro World XI even 3 times and are 100 times better than Terry.

What are their metrics and how do the said players make the FIFPro list? An award David Lulz and washed up Iniesta made last year? You dey craze!

Stick to your subjective individual awards and let me stick to trophies and actual titles won on the pitch

PietroRico:
there used to be so much noise about a certain Draxler and he was once a 40m property... What happened to him? Nobody hears of him anymore. .. did he even go to the world cup?

Raumdeuter

Draxler's career has been stalled by injuries. He has been very unfortunate. He was at the WC he came on vs Brazil

He is still so young, less than 22 and can still turn it around

chic2pimp:
I thought the John Terry argument was already done and dusted, No? I think it is fair to say at this current stage in their respective careers, History will judge Terry as the better player. Now that might change in the very near future but as of Now it's JT everyday.

The Boa-TANK is better. JT is just another product of English hype! Typical blood and thunder defender whose contributions were severely inflated and perpetually kept guys like Carvalho in the background

chic2pimp:
Having said that, Dayo did actually bring up a very good point. BoaTank has actually performed better on the Big stage than JT has but then again so as Drogba when compared to Henry and no one rates him higher

Drogba that lost two ANC Finals and got sent off in his first CL Final. I no blame you na Robben I blame,

Henry is a World, Euro Champion how does the comparison with John Racist come around?

chic2pimp:
PS: Dayo and A40, not every German player is greater than their English Counterpart.

98.9% of German players are better than their English counterparts that is why Germany has 7 major titles to England's 1

weedtaker:
Guardiola said pedro is a very good player and if perhaps he's a brazilian he would've been pedrodinho and some top teams wouldn't have been able to purchase him, okay o
but why din't pep sign pedro instead of going for douglas costa douglas costa publicly declared his love for mourinho and chelsea football if i'm not mistaken, but pep signed him, now pep is showering praise on pedro and mourinho signed him, (fishy )
why din't pep signed pedro all this while cause there's no doubt he would be the better option to replace the ageing ribery cause he's a right footed player and plays the same position under pep @barca that ribery is also playing under pep,
did pep loose interest cause he thinks or knows that pedro has lost it, or the barca board won't sanction the sale or he's just not interested Someone should share some light.
raumdeuter, A40 you guys are needed.

I don't know tomorrow but ka ma kuro ka ma jale Pedro's last great season was 2010/2011. The year of MVP (Messi,Villa,Pedro)

I wouldn't want Pedro anywhere near Bayern to be honest and the mixture of desperation and general lack of quality players in this window sparked this mini bidding war between Man U and Chelsea.

I was Costa's biggest critic but he is proving me wrong so far, let's see what happens with Pedro though Chelsea has proven to be a graveyard for wingers lately

Pheww! Dortmund almost brought disgrace to the Bundesliga today

barackohandso:
Isn't that a bit of an overstatement? Every player has a price and Man. United is one of the world's richest club

If it were by riches alone you guys wouldn't have Messi, Iniesta and Madrid wouldn't have Ronaldo

SailorXY:
@A40, Raumdeuter
What do you think of the reported £6.3m actual fee for Bastian Schweinsteiger? Happens I'm not that far off the mark, am I?

Reported by who?

Roland17:
Is it the same Boateng who struggled to adapt to the rigors of the premier league while he was with City while Terry marshaled Chelsea to numerous titles thus had to be shipped to Germany where weekly matches are not as fierce as the EPL? And please don't give me that flimsy excuse that he was still young, the truth was he was not good enough to make the team, the rigors of the league were immense, his only chance of making the German national team was to head back to Germany.

More like rigor-mortis. What is rigorous about a league Lukaku, Andre Ayew and Wilfried Bony are beasting or have beasted? His injury woes were well documented and he was 22 at the time. If Mertesacker and Kompany are sonning your league then there is not much to be said about it

Roland17:
Boateng won the World Cup with Germany but was not worthy of being listed amongst the best players during the World Cup, he did not even make the sub bench for the FIFA best eleven.

Opinion polls count for zilch! Boa-TANK was a key man in Germany's title winning run. Conceding only two garbage time goals in almost 10 and a half hours of football whenever he set foot on the pitch. Certain players never get the credit where its due

Roland17:
In his prime, John Terry is proven in Europe, even last season when Chelsea won the league aged 33 he was spectacular for his age, his inconsistencies with the national team is a collective mess the English national team has suffered since the advent and inproportional explosion of the premier league compared to the stability and presence of genuine young prospects the Germans enjoy.

John Terry is one of the most overhyped players in the history of football! He has been extremely fortunate to play in one of the most defensive systems known to man. He was horribly exposed when another coach came and tried to play more expansive football it was so bad he was one of the instigators of the firing of said coach. Mou's negative system made a washed-up Walter Samuel and Lucio look like Baresi and Beckenbauer. That says it all

The explosion of the Premier League has nothing to do with the sheer lack of football talent available. Their young players would shine through if they were any good but they aren't that's why EPL clubs would rather buy washed up Falcao, Cuadrado, Pedro and others buy Yaya Sanogo. You mean to tell me these guys are so good no decent British player can displace them?

They are all overhyped and overrated