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lildray: This guys are speaking spanish. If islam does not encourage killing then what would they say about jihad. History has it that prophet muhammed fought a jihad war when his people refused to accept islam. So during the war will they tell us that no soul was lost? Bcus a war cannot be fought without a soul lost. As far as am concerned muhammed brought killing to islam thats why they follow his foot step

What is Jihad?
Islamic Holy War? Muslims KillingJews & Christians?
That is what we are told - by the western media. But what is the real truth behind this word JIHAD?
Jihad Explained
by Dr. Amir Ali, Ph.D. (May Allah have Mercy on him)
In the linguistic sense, the Arabic word "jihad" means struggling orstriving and applies to any effort exerted by anyone. In this sense, a student struggles and strives to get an education and pass coursework; an employee strives to fulfillhis/her job and maintain good relations with his/her employer; apolitician strives to maintain or increase his [1] popularity with his constituents and so on. The term strive or struggle may be used for/by Muslims as well as non-Muslims; for example, Allah, the One and Only True God says inthe Quran:
"We have enjoined on people kindness to parents; but if they STRIVE ( Jahadaka ) to make you ascribe partners with Me that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not..." [Noble Quran 29:8; also see 31:15]
In the West, "jihad" is generally translated as "holy war," a usage the media has popularized. According to Islamic teachings, it is UNHOLY to instigate or start war; however, some wars are inevitable and justifiable. If we translate the words "holy war" back into Arabic, we find "Harbun Muqaddasatu," or for "the holy war," "Al-Harbu Al-Muqaddasatu." WE CHALLENGE any researcher or scholar to find the meaning of"jihad" as holy war in the Quran or authentic Hadith collections or in early Islamic literature. Unfortunately, some Muslim writers and translators of the Quran, the Hadith and other Islamic literature translate the term "jihad" as "holy war," due to the influence of centuries-old Western propaganda. However, the Arabic words for "war" are "Harb" or "Qital."

deols: While amnesty might be a preferred solution, it would not have been perfect even by the laws of the Qur'an. Isn't killing to be met by death under the Islamic law? The right thing would be to have them killed for having killed others.

But like I have always said, whatever would bring PEACE is a wise move. If amnesty would, we should embrace it.

dis is the best coment av ever read on nairaland...dz bh are spreading mischef in d name of Allah,which is evn evil in the sight of Allah,dy did nt shw repentance b4 being apprend,and dy ought to b dealt with walai!....buh peace iz d paramount tin and i hope diz amnesty workz coz i dnt tink it wud...

Tank jawe,me wy no sabi tooast oh! Woo i mean go dy try folo dz guidelines o jawe osheun!

Imagine,u said dis is hw syria boasted,and isreal has attack them an syria dose noting waah! U boasting dat isreal attacked? Mehn u ridiculous!

Guyz u knw my concern here? I wnt to knw d reaction of d west,gej pardoned corrupt officalz and e earned disdain 4rm d west,nw e dn pardon homosexualist wic d west or usa support homosex act,nw i wn knw wetin d fuckin usa pple we say abt dz,gej jez wnt to mend his relatnshp wit usa by dz pardon...let wait and c

alexis: Your talk is still empty. I quoted from the Quran to back up my claim, so far you still lack any evidence to back up your statements. I have Hadiths to prove this based upon the actions of prophet Mohammed and will be happy to engage you if you can only do the same. Get some evidence and then you can PROVE your point.

will i tink b4 u strt ur so-called research,u already choose wot to belive in.d prophet ruled in medina and gave evry1 dre ryt,go and research abt d first hijrah of muslims to Abysenia,it was an xtain ruler dat ruled dre,he was 1 of d prophet's best frnd,d prophet even wept wen he died,if truly d prophet and islam encourage violence y wud he wnt to do such?...anyway u av ur selective perception,retaintion and exposure...buh d truth stil stnd islam dose nt encourage violence leave it or take it.

alexarelano: [i][/i] are u a learner? I dnt think u exist in dis planet, anyway, make I no insult u, 'cos my Oga at d top dey monitor me

no b so ma guy,i went to sku n n no tv abeg gemi hint na pls

Imagine,datz y i av somany couse mate smoking,dy wnt inspiratn frm it ...smh!

alexis: With all your talk, you have no Surah or Hadith to back it up? Ignorance they say is bliss. Maybe you need to read my posts again - I said this: Muslims who commit acts of violence and terror in the name of God, can find ample justification for their actions, based on the teachings of the Qur'an and the sayings and examples from prophet Muhammad himself!. Your prophet fought defensive and OFFENSIVE wars.

Let me give you an example,

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

The word "fight" is a verb, it is not defensive; it is offensive. If your Quran wanted them to defend themselves, it would have made that clear.

Here is another Surah for you again:

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Later, you will open your mouth and say your prophet was defending himself.

guy u really derailed in d historical context of those verses, let me nw mak u undastnd....
Wen d muslims went to medina,d medina pple made d prophet dre ruler,and he practised fair play dre,the non-muslim were given ther ryt and wre even restricted frm going to war d unbilieverz Fought against muslim.wen it cms to jizyah which means tax,d non-muslim decided nt to pay and dz which is dre civic responsibility.jizyah is a tax levied from the people of the scriptures(jews n xtains) who are unda d protection of a muslim government..

Cn sum1 tel me wot dz oga at d top z ol abt pls!

Dawta of d state,na who b d bitch wy d state Bleep to born am nw eh! Mk dz govnor sha giv ma uncle wife to b parado or else evry gal go dy claim faceless state to b dre fada...lol

alexis: You quoted from the Bible alluding that Jesus encouraged violence - I challenged you to prove he personally engaged in murder; the reason I did that was to disarm your argument that he encouraged violence - HE NEVER DID. Yes, Moses was a prophet and he struck an Egyptian dead (justifiable or not, he killed someone)- perhaps you should do your research. Leaving the bible, Mohammed was a prophet to Muslims and he personally was involved in 27 battles and I can't give you a count on the number of people he killed or he ordered killed (So he taught violence and his actions also showed it). The issue here is the teaching of your holy writ and how groups like Ansaru and Boko Haram is using it to kill and murder innocent people. Again, it is the teaching in your Quran that is confusing "muslims" like BH and Ansaru.

The point that I like to make is quite simple. Muslims who commit acts of violence and terror in the name of God, can find ample justification for their actions, based on the teachings of the Qur'an and the sayings and examples from prophet Muhammad himself! PERIOD!. You can't deny that.

I will not hesitate to say that the vast majority of the Muslim world (including yourself) condemn acts of terror and violence. There are many schools of thought in Islam with various and often conflicting interpretations of the Qur'an. However, the important distinction that I am making is this: the minority groups in Islam who resort to violence, are not an aberration to Islam, but in fact can legitimately claim to be working within the basic parameters of Islamic Jihad.

There are dozens of verses running through your Quran that encourages violence and I will be very happy to debate them with you. Contrary to your statements that groups like Boko Haram and Ansaru are hypocrites - I think they Quran justifies their action and that is the root cause of the problem.

man am a muslim and i believed in al d prophets including prophet yisa(jesus),non of d God sent prophet engaged in promotin violent,prophet muhammed left his hometown becoz of dz paganz ,he went to medina an stil dy hunt 4 hm...d way e engaged in was 4 slf defence,dz paganz cm frm anoda region to hunt muslim in medina,u claim to mak research,buh i wil confam ur research are noid and void coz u add sentiment in dm coz u a christain.EVEN when d muslim was d head of the medina state where xtainz resided in,wen a muslim killed an xtain he was ordered to b killed as well,and dat justice k! Muslims are nt in surpport of dz boko and wat av u,come to tink of it,dose jtf dat kill dz terrorist u wnt to tel me dy are ol xtainz? Dy are muslimz dre also,and if islam and d prophet truly surport violence y wud a muslim jtf wont to kill boko haram,ur angle of tinking is truly bias.

alexis: Stop this out of context nonsense; it's a cheap defense by Islamic apologists. Perhaps Boko Haram and Ansaru should have known a muslim shouldn't take those Surahs literally before they kill innocent people. In your defense of Islam and it killings, you are trying to justify the same in the Bible and confusing yourself in the process. Where have you read in the whole Bible or in history that Jesus Christ killed/murdered anybody? I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE IT. On the flip side - your prophet Mohammed was personally involved in the killings and ordering of killings of so many. Again, leave the Bible out of this. Na your muslim brothers dey kill innocent foreigners left and right.

c u nw ,shay ol dose verse no dy bibble ni? Moreso,read d bibble did any prophet kil sum1? If yes d perxin he kiled is he innocent or not? Dnt b bias

alexis: But some muslims will kill if their holy book is touched by a non-muslim. A typical case happened in Gombe state. If you want links we will provide it. Your religion teaches tolerance but you lack it in application. It becomes touchy when the intolerance some muslims display affects the lives of others.

am glad u knw islam teaches tolerance,d pple involve in dz crime aint doing according to d quran teachings.peace be with you

alexis: Again, stop bringing Christians into this. Christians are not involved in these killings in anyway. If they are hypocrites like you say; you need to tell us why are they confused or pretending. If they are hypocrites then:

1. Al Qaeda
2. Al Qaeda in Mali
3. Boko Haram
4. Osama Bin Laden
5. Taliban

And a host of other "Islamic" terrorist groups are ALL HYPOCRITES. We wonder how all these "muslims" are hypocrites!!!!

The crux of the matter is the interpretation of the Quran by you (a liberal muslim) and the "hypocrites" (conservative and extreme muslims). Not-with-standing, the common deliminator is the Quran and it teachings. We think it is such teachings that are confusing the so called "hypocrites" as you call them.

if u dnt undastnd dis pple aint putin into practise wot d quran teaches,dat makez dm hypocrate,d quran dose nt teach violence guy..

Soso990240: yeah..and hw many will ronaldo score? Are d both nt playin d same league? Who de top 4 goal?complete d name of clubs barca face 4 champions leaguegroup stage.u ar sayin dat celtic and milan ar nt gud..?same milan dat playd us 2 0 1st leg,u guys were praisin dm..nw u wan 2 speak frm both side of ur mouth.. shut up joor.

no mynd d guy na bad belle dy wori am...shay ronaldo dy b goal keeper 4 leauge ni? Up fcb!

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yea mehn we did it upon ol dre bad belleism fcb 4 live

pro01: This is what we are talking about. It is my fundamental right to buy any piece of literature I like (including the Quran) and tear it to pieces - as it is my property. It is not an obligation for anyone to respect any other person's religion. Why then should that be sufficient provocation for any riff raff to engage in violence?

Do you know how many times the Bible has been openly 'desecrated'? Do you know how many times movies/comedy/parodies/ have been made to mock Jesus and other 'Holy' characters in Christianity? Has any Christian used that as reason to go on a killing spree? You belligerent Mohammedans should stop taking yourselves too seriously. Not everyone would tremble in front of your Quran, you have to deal with that.

tell nah, y wud u want to tear holy book of other religion? U incuring God waran if u tear His book becoz d book shud b treated wit respect k! U dnt av a point, a muslim wil nt tear others book,guy,moreso itz God book and itz nt ordinary u dnt av to treat it like any book.

alexis: Throw more light on what you are saying. So, they are Muslims but hypocrites? What makes them hypocrites?
By they, are you referring to Boko Haram or Ansaru or both?

hypocrates in d sense dat dis are pple wu pretend to serve GOD,but in d real sense dy dont,we av such pple ol ova,even xtainz dat attain dis satanic church stuff no b xtainz dm cal dm slf? Buh in real sense na satan dm dy worship.do u tink GOD is in surport of dose pple! Islam dose nt tak syd of evil n u ol knw it.

successking: Their children, to the 10th generation, will pay heavily for this wicked act against humanity

just2endowed: why can't you people declare war on your brothers? If i pick a quaran now and decide to tear it you surely declare war on my head. Religion of peace indeed. Read the book of quaran very well and stop deceiving yourself. The whole world no the truth.

c u o,y wud u wnt to tear d QURAN? where in history did u ear dat a tru muslim tear d bibble? Cn u c 4 ur slf nw and let me tel u,muslims dont knw dis pple k,islam am terrorism has no correlation,u just suffering frm seletive retaintion

alexis: The issue here is murder and killings. Whether true christian/muslim or not; no one should kill another person in the name of religion. So, you can believe in stone(s) if you like, don't throw it at others. The issue of violence is REAL in Islam and it is spiritual - there is no need to argue that. None of these killings are done by Christians, whether they are true Christians or not.

just2endowed: why can't you people declare war on your brothers? If i pick a quaran now and decide to tear it you surely declare war on my head. Religion of peace indeed. Read the book of quaran very well and stop deceiving yourself. The whole world no the truth.

c u o,y wud u wnt to tear d QURAN? where in history did u ear dat a tru muslim tear d bibble? Cn u c 4 ur slf nw and let me tel u,muslims dont knw dis pple k,islam am terrorism has no correlation,u just suffering frm seletive retaintion

just2endowed: why can't you people declare war on your brothers? If i pick a quaran now and decide to tear it you surely declare war on my head. Religion of peace indeed. Read the book of quaran very well and stop deceiving yourself. The whole world no the truth.

c u o,y wud u wnt to tear d QURAN? where in history did u ear dat a tru muslim tear d bibble? Cn u c 4 ur slf nw and let me tel u,muslims dont knw dis pple k,islam am terrorism has no correlation,u just suffering frm seletive retaintion

alexis: I like the fact that you are level-minded. What does Islam teach concerning killing of others especially non-muslims?

God slf 4 holy Quran recognise d
existence of other religion,and so
did d Prophet (s.a.w).boko haram
is nt islamic in nature,d fact dat
dy say dy are muslim dosen't
mean dy practise wot d Quran
teaches,d Quran dose dnt teach
bloodshed or religion tru
force...and also there is no compulsion in religion that is wot islam teach thus, boko haram aint pratising islam

alexis: Then why are they mentioning "Allah" and "Islam"?

they are hypocratez,islam dose nt support dem,dy do all dis 4 dre personal intrest....

damola311: *mouth sealed*.......i see you're mature nigga.......ur text self na die,,,thought you dey write am in anxiety........i wonder ao old you are that you still think as such...soo sad!!!
Abeg no reach 40 ooo b4 your brain grow up because you may b nuisance forever.......i never know some people still live without there brain developing with them....*smh. pele

oh idiot,u may b older dn i am o buh ur brain isnt productive as mine,just go an do ur research k! I get exam 2mao biko!

rafhell: is it the history book that was written by muhammed and his followers or the one written by neutrals.
History has it that he was a power drunk rebel, a cunny man, a deceit, a merciless murderer, a womanizer and a paedophile who died hunched-backed from gonorhea

you knw wot, you takin to wot ur pastor has told u,u prat go and read history n knw and tel ur pastor hw wrong he is boi!

damola311: Mature minded indeed!!!......lolz i see that in you with uur post.......islam doesn't preach terrorism and killing as so other religion......am asking a question...what religion are they practising? Whose name of they calling for their killing?.........just afraid you people think same way.....*gosh...

guy tink jor, day aint puttin islam into practise,tell me xtainz dat fornicate shay dm dy put into practise wot d bibble teach? 4get sentiment if u mature

rafhell: you are a fake muslim and not like ur god and leader muhammed.
I ask u, did muhammed never kill or shed blood?

go into history and research wel,muhammed even left his home town in order not to fight d pagans dat aim 4 his head,he went to medina and stil dz pagans want his head even wen he left his fada land bcoz of dis people,he did nt drew his sword against innocent pple,it was in dffence toward dose pagans!

zalight: ......Every muslim is not a terrorist But every terrorist is a muslim...I wonder why

well guy i wil just say islam dose nt preach terrorism and also nt all dat cal dm slf muslim practise d doctrine of islam jes tink witout bias

damola311: Abeg shup up ur big for nothing stinking mouth......they are nt muslim and nt practising islam? Are they christian or traditional worshippers then?.........bunch of log head fools...... Na soo you go dey talk all time

wel human bin,am nt here to abuse and am here to tak wit matured minded humanz,tink wit ur iq,dre is difrent in sayin u a muslim and sayin u a muslim and practising wot islam truly teaches k! Go and learn more!

rafhell: listen to urself again and tell me in all honesty that islam is not about murdering but about peace

yea! U knw d trut guy, am nt intrested in abusive speech,u jez tel me were in d teaching of islam either d Quran or Hadith were muslim were comanded to kill tink witout sentiment guy!

well people,we ol knw d truth only if u try to ignore it,Allah dose nt command any muslim to kill anybody in is name,dis is mere propaganda.even d prophet (s.a.w) did nt teach kilings of non-muslims...dis pple aint practising islam i swear!...rili sad abt dz development gosh!

Unknown Member: How does a Lesbian affect the ability of the Super Falcons to win games?!

These coaches and NFF people are just moro`ns. These people are football players not Pornstars!! Lets leave football business out of the players personal lives jor.

Deyinka007: Most of then have given up hope cos men no dey look their ways anyway. Insecure chics.

mehn u crazy! Hw wud u feel if ur pikin be les? It is immoraly badt and am sure if ur mama na les she no go born you...