₦airaland Forum

Empiree:
opuro

Be living in denial. Muslim youths are leaving islam in droves-

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2015/may/17/losing-their-religion-british-ex-muslims-non-believers-hidden-crisis-faith

The Republicans dont know that they have pushed too far.

Let them rush in a conservative supreme court justice.

When the Democrats get power, they will expand the number of justices and they will fight dirty.

This will be the final push. The straw that broke the camel's back.

These Trump Republicans have gone too far in abusing power.

basilico:
Ill not continue with where Zuorom left.
I've learnt that democrats are evil, racist, liars, power hungry, have no scruples and are conniving Pieces of shit.

And Trump who is a cheat, a liar, adulterer, embezzler and a racist?

Trump is the leader of your party. You have no moral ground to criticize others

Empiree:
and who are they?

I cannot release their info because of how muslims like you take apostasy.

They are nairalanders just like you and I. They are not regular commenters sha.

Empiree:
Exactly. When you read truth you get knocked down. It is unfortunately you are not on my whatsapp. I would have sent you many things. Many many things for you to read, watch and listen to what christians have done in nigeria. Maybe then you may understand why North implemented sharia to set them back. Your problem is you don't know what i know. They even got the audacity to write and print Quran of their own christian version in 1945. Where did you ever seen muslims wrote bible?. This is a crime under sharia law. So blasphemy law is law of necessity.

You just made no sense at all.

Why would it be illegal and worthy of arrest for someone print a version of the Quran?

Something is not illegal just because you do not like it.

Empiree:
That's their prerogative. Just bcus they did mean muslims should follow suit?. Rubbish

The other religions abandoned blasphemy laws because they realised that it is natural to question and criticise. It also makes God look weak if humans are fighting and killing for Him.

Blasphemy laws make no sense at all. You are protecting religion that has no rights. People have rights, not religion.

Empiree:
No, i dont need to prove it to you on its own merit knowing who you are. I simply had to use simple logic to get you to reason which is holocaust law. Log on internet and you see human right activists fighting harder all these years to repeal holocaust law bcus it is in conflict with freedom of expression and democracy. That's why US rejected the proposal. Yet you have problem with blasphemy law. Nonsense. Law is law. As much as I am against holocaust legislation in Europe and Israel, i can never go there and disobey the law. That's exactly what I am telling you. Neither would i challenge them for their law. I have moral obligation to obey their law regardless of how ridiculous it sounds. If you think you are bigger than law, go to Kano and violate the law and see what happens to you. Again, I dont care who messaged you privately. Thats their prerogative.

To give you quick background on Northern sharia legislation and the so called muslims who messaged you privately, as much northern sharia legislation is not completely islamic but "political sharia", it still serves as deterrent against SW christians and atheists. Sharia legislation was proposed to push back activities of christians Southwest and their blasphemous activities against islam in the 80s and 90s, even way before that as far back as 1945 when Yoruba christians drew caricature of prophet back then given to us in primary school and as a result of their publication in 1994. I have posted their documents here before but you turned blind eye. After Nigeria adopted democratic system of govt in 1999, pastors across the country collected copies of their terror manual called manifesto and removed them from public glare, knowing the consequences pst democracy and sharia north. Their publication would bring them to justice under sharia even under democratic system of govt but it was unfortunately that nigeria was useless from day 1.

No one published such book in western world and not appear before supreme court of justice. Their document was full of hate speeches, threatening messages and blasphemous statements made against islam and muslims in an attempt to cause chaos in the country. Sharia legislation in the north stopped them. Whether you wanna address Holocaust law or not, it is a clear parallel example. You need to stop being lopsided and face the reality. I am fully in support of blasphemy law. The only way to repeal it is for federal govt of Nigeria to un-recognize it, not you. who are you to question the authority?.

Nonsense

Empiree:
their business not mine. Law is law. Who cares who messaged you privately?. They aren't gonna be in my grave nor am i gonna be in theirs. Who am i to believe you?. It seems you dont understand a very simple logic. Kano made legislation and you are here challenging their law. Would you challenge ridiculous laws made in western countries?. Anyone living religion because of this does not have integrity to obey simple law. I have given several examples. You can be arrested and charged for simple peeing on the sidewalk in a developed country. This is something you guys take for granted in Nigeria because of lawlessness. So if you are arrested and charged for merely peeing on the street in American for instance, you would think it is ridiculous bcus you never experienced such n your lawless country called nigeria. You are used to bribing your way out. If you think it is ridiculous to pass blasphemy law, then violate the law and see what happens. It is as simple as that. I dont care who leaves islam bcus of this. It is common sense. You can't tell me not to talk about holocaust law. Both have the same consequences. And is it only Kano that has blasphemy law?. Go other some other countries that have same legislation and violate their law. You go see what will happen. Respect the law of the land. Is this difficult to understand?.

All these western countries you are trying to shield had blasphemy law in their history. Why is Nigeria exception?. They still keep the same law but in different version called "hate crime" after separation of church and state.

Nonsense. All other religions have abandoned blasphemy laws. Both Judaism and christianity have blasphemy on their books but today, they dont enforce it.

Lol when stalwert was less animalistic

Empiree:
Now that i explained fact to you how court works, you have no counterproductive argument. I am in my house, come and hand me over to them.

Besides, how is this whole thing your business?. Kano state blasphemy law is only for muslims. You are not a muslim

Jesus you talked about is none of your business. You are not christian.

The accused is not your family. He is not atheist nor christhiest like you. So how is this your business if you don't have special interest?.

You should be horsewhipped 100 lashes for sticking your nose in this.

Hypocrite of the highest order.

Go and submit yourself to the islamic police for insulting Jesus. You need to be killed by your own beliefs. You believe in blaphemy laws but you blaspheme prophets.

Empiree, I'm happy that at least two muslims have left islam directly because of your illogical statements towards me. Praise Darwin!!

Empiree:
why not?. Why can't I bring it?. Why is Holocaust law not as "useless" as blasphemy law?. Again, I know your motives. Your problem is hate on its own. Holocaust law was legislated to protect integrity of persecuted semitic people. In the same token, blasphemy law was legislated to protect integrity of the prophet of Islam because he's already the target insult, ridicules and irrational hatred by people who think from their anus.



and why is this your stu.pid international lawyers not define and reject Holocaust law on the merit of infringement on freedom of speech?. Denying Holocaust is right of everyone who wishes not to believe in it. Why is it a crime to deny it?. When Iran denied Holocaust over a decade ago entire world including Christians in Nigeria gone up in flames and called for sanction on Iran. But if someone insults prophet of Islam you all claim it is their right. Rubbish.



blasphemy law is law of the land in kano. You do not have option to challenge law the moment it is legislated. You are not a lawyer in Kano state. Your are just a clown on nairaland. Blasphemy law is legislated in Kano. If you violate the law you must be punished.

The same idea that brought about Holocaust denial law is tantamount to blasphemy law in Kano. Six million dead Jews is considered sacred. So kano considered prophet muhammad sacred. Therefore, it is against the law to say rubbish against this religious figure. Or else, your will be persecuted to the full extent of the law.

Remember it is not only Germany that legislated Holocaust law. It is 7 European countries and Israel. So if you deny Holocaust in israel, wait and see what they would do to you. The punishment is most likely grave in israel than europe. According to Polish article, Holocaust denial is an incitement and hatred against 6 minion dead Jews. So do you see fine line btw the two laws or you are simply blinded by hatred?


It is a crime to insult, ridicule or incite hate speech against prophet muhammad. I will continue to support it against crazy people like you. Law is law my friend. Obey the law or face consequences

Again, we are not talking about holocaust laws.

Empiree, I must say that I'm enjoying this.

Two muslims have messaged me privately. It seems that they are not happy with the excuses made for the barbaric blasphemy laws in islam.

Empiree:
so Holocaust denial is crime against a person, abi?. You see, I know your problem and I have stated it several times. You delebrately avoided to criticize it because it is a "no go area". Who is Holocaust denial commits crime against for denying Holocaust?.

We are not talking about holocaust.

It shows how empty you are when you cannot defend blasphemy laws on its own merit

Cc olaadegbu.

You pro-life conservatives in the GOP are hypocrites.


See below

Rilwayne001:
I see you've been going around mentioning me like I know you from anywhere. But I'll only reply you once and that'll be the final.



My choice of words states "IN A GENERALLY ISLAMIC STATE", this automatically means, Islam is the major religion of such society, maybe like 99% of the population are Muslims, hence we can safely assume, the Constitution of such country, customs and mores are built solidly on Islamic tenets and laws. Going against such constitution and laws to the extent you try to spread your criticism of what these 99% hold very dear to their heart would be tantamount to TREASON. Or is there any other way you want to see that? Even you cannot go to Vatican and start building mosque or going about preaching atheism, it'd be a total insult on the government and constitution of the island.

Besides, my argument isn't in support of blasphemy law, (I believe God is beyond what we attribute to him) rather apostasy law. Even so, i believe, apostaste can only be dealt with whereby he resorted to treason by acting in such a way to topple the government, or going about forming and army that'll in turn come back to try to topple the government. A typical example is Nnamdi Kanu and the IPOB situation. Tbaba created a thread that like that fully explained the exception for which an apostate can be killed this in the past.
Reminds me of the saying, "when you are in Rome, you act like Romans". Not like You go about insulting Rome government of being foolish, that's treason.

I only disagree with this Kano issue because Nigeria isn't a generally Islamic State. Kano isn't q generally Islamic province, hence they cannot be selective and ridiculous in their decision making. Whatever decision they make should be based on the Nigerian Constitution and not what they want us to believe even when they are not using the same for their politicians who constantly steal their money.

You and your Muslim brother, Empiree, are very good at conflating two very different aspects of laws and ending up with nonsense.


Treason is very different from apostasy. I dont see how preaching christianity or atheism can be treasonous in an islamic state.

Preaching christianity or atheism does not stop the islamic government from running. The islamic government can call apostasy illegal but it is not treasonous.

IPOB is literally dividing the country and stopping Nigeria to exist as it currently does. It stops the government from running.

Apostasy is not a bad thing. People should be able to leave religion.


The question now remains- what if the apostate keeps his apostasy to only his family? Should he still be arrested and killed?

Empiree:
I showed you definition of hate speech according to US definition. Insulting religion is hate speech. What you don't understand is that western world had separation of church and state. That's why they confused you. Now look at the attachment for definition of hate crime. This contradicts your copy paste. Even your wikipedia copy-paste did not 100% says their is fundamental difference. That's why it says "per se".

This definition therein was the reason indian guy was convicted. He did not physically attack his autistic friend. He only uttered words against him and he got in trouble.


On what merit is Holocaust denial law is constitutional?. Don't people have right to deny Holocaust is they feel like?. Is that not infringement on freedom of expression?

1. Do not bring in holocaust laws. We are talking about blasphemy. If you cannot defend it on its own merit, then you are agreeing that it is a useless law.

2. My wikipedia link clearly quotes international human rights lawyers who differentiate between the protection of people from religious persecution and blasphemy.


Empiree, you are behaving like someone who cannot reason.

You have no justification for blasphemy laws and you are scrambling to use other laws to defend it. Your red herrings wont work with me.

Empiree:
I showed you definition of hate speech according to US definition. Insulting religion is hate speech. What you don't understand is that western world had separation of church and state. That's why they confused you. Now look at the attachment for definition of hate crime. This contradicts your copy paste. Even your wikipedia copy-paste did not 100% says their is fundamental difference. That's why it says "per se".

This definition therein was the reason indian guy was convicted. He did not physically attack his autistic friend. He only uttered words against him and he got in trouble.


On what merit is Holocaust denial law is constitutional?. Don't people have right to deny Holocaust is they feel like?. Is that not infringement on freedom of expression?

Stop telling lies. Hate speech can only be committed against a person or people not religion. Even your picture contradicts you. See below-

Rilwayne001:
The TRUTH never need FORCE to validate itself. You don't need to enforce anyone to validate the truth. Hence 'THERE'S NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION'.

The ruling on killing those who leave Islam in a generally Islamic State makes sense, albeit for the sole reason he tries to spread his cancer amongst other Ummah. But in this case, nothing of such is evident.

And killing a mad man for his madness doesn't help him or give him second chance. And even so, an insult to the attributes of a supreme GOD. Because God Almighty in beyond all these petty things. Only the human mind would bring itself this low.

How did I miss this?

So, Rilwayne001, you are saying that someone who leaves islam to become a christian or atheist, then goes around preaching christianity or atheism should be killed?

Wow. Such barbarism!

Empiree:
Recall I told you about hate crimes and hate speech?. They legislated this law against hate crimes and hate speeches. You can be jailed for your utterances against someone if it may leads to injury or death. It is classified under hate speech and I have given you example of indian guy in New York.

Hate speech and hate crimes are fundamentally different from Blasphemy laws.

The same country that you are using as evidence for hate speech and hate crimes, removed Blasphemy laws from their books. You used New York, USA as an example. The same New York and USA that removed Blasphemy laws from their book because it is unconstitutional.

You can only commit hate speech and hate crimes against a person or people. You cannot commit hate speech by criticising or insulting a religion. There in lies the difference between hate speech and blasphemy.

In case you are idiotic enough to say that Blasphemy and hate speech are the same-

Human rights experts argue for laws which adequately distinguish between protection of individuals' freedoms and laws which over-broadly restrict freedom of speech. Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights obliges countries to adopt legislative measures against "any advocacy of national racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence."However, they also note that such protections must be carefully circumscribed, and do not support prohibition of blasphemy per se

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law

Empiree,, if you cannot defend blasphemy laws on it's own merit, then you are acknowledging that it is a useless law.

CuteMercury:
Even Thor cant defeat homelander. This is a man that has no weakness except maybe his son. remember he is indistructible and he cannot be killed. A man that can fly to any corner of the world without a jet or an aeroplane. he can even fly to other planets. Homelander has got to be the most powerful super hero in Tv history. The only human that can defeat homelander is called Delilah in the series called the originals. Aunt Delilah to me is the most powerful witch in TV history. Only those that have seen The originals, knows what i am talking about.

Homelander that could not save a plane of people? He even went on to explain why he couldn't use his strength to carry the plane mid-air.

The very same feat that superman and supergirl did in their early superhero days.

Homelander is a #low-budget-superman

Empiree:


How is blasphemy law your concern?.
Every region has their laws and way of life.

I simply used other parallel examples.

That's the only way you can understand knowing how you reason.

There is Yoruba saying:

"Ilu ti ko si ofin, ko si ese. Ti ofin ba wa ese wa". Literally translates, "in a nation where there is no law there is no crime. If there is legislation there is punishment or consequence. Laws are meant to bring sanity to a society.

Deal with it, bro

So, there is no sanity in countries that do not have blasphemy laws?

Do you see your foolishness?

Empiree:
If blasphemy law is "barbaric", there is no difference btw it's barbarism then and now. You have not argue constructively against my position.

Until you can openly criticize Stand Your Ground Law, Holocaust Denial Law, Hate Speech Law, then, you are wasting your precious time with blasphemy law

How idiotic.


Your kitchen sink approach is very disappointing.

It is telling that you cannot defend blasphemy laws on it's own merit. You have to call other laws.

You cant see how daft your defence is

Empiree:
I know it is waste of time dragging words with u. I have shown you several cases in western world but you turned blind eye. I showed you how indian guy was facing 10 yrs in jail for his utterances. I showed you German holocaust denial law amongst several others. Is it not clear you have problems with islam and muslims. There are still more ridiculous laws in western world you dont know about. I also presented Florida "stand your ground" law which is equivalent to jungle justice which means if you argue with someone or someone suspects you of wrong intent towards them they have right to kill you and use stand your ground law as defense. So keep ranting about islam. Do you remember case of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. That should give youa clue.

You are a very ignorant and poorly educated fellow.

You are defending blasphemy law by criticising other laws.

Explain A, you are explaining B.

AntiChristian:
100% right? Show verifiable stats.

Keep quiet.

You are asking for stats now but when given stats that dont favour islam, you will ignore it.


Let me give you stats

1. No Islamic/sharia governed country is in the top 10 developed countries

2. No islamic/sharia government is in the top 10 women friendly countries.

Empiree:
You have nothing upstairs jare

Says the islamic fool that believes in blasphemy laws.

Empiree:
what is the texture of your problem?

Just exposing the truth and those who spread falsehoods.

I am providing a service to people.....I'm showing people the truth about religion.

Nickshrapnel:
Wait till you hear them tell you they are making JB female

There is also a black female james bond. She is in the trailer. She is meant to be his replacement!

AbdulSleeky:
Many of the muslims here are cowards. They dont want to address the issues in the religion.

They know that the blasphemy law is inhumane but they will keep quiet because they cant defend it. They know it violates human rights.



Let me call their names-

Lanrexlan
Empiree
Sino
Rashduct4luv
Antichristian
Rilwayne001
Stalwert

Just a reminder

Empiree:
You don't understand anything. I thought you were brilliant. If you can only appeal beverage you are not guilty, how about many people found guilty and they appealed and they're sentence reduced?. You never heard of this?.

I will give you one example. In New York few years ago, Indian guy who is a student with Green Card or permanent resident was found guilty of utterances against autistic friend. His friends committed suicide because of that. No that he didn't touch his autistic patient. He only said words jokingly to him.

In America, if you are Green Card holder and you commit a crime that attracts 10yrs in jail, you will served jail term and be deported which means you lose your green card. So the guy was jailed.

His lawyer appealed and there was outcries from masses to forgive him. His case was retried and he was sentenced to time served which was about 2yrs. They did this to safe his green card status.



Germany has Holocaust denial law. What's the difference?

Lies.


Hand yourself over to Islamic police. You insulted Jesus and by your own admission, you need to be killed

alexistaiwo:
You want to know the way ba?


How do you feel about living the rest of your life with no testicles?

We rise by lifting others up

Egbon Taiwo!!

I hail ooo.....from Mushin to Canada. Carry go, baba!

alexistaiwo:
This Lovecraft will not kee person, we are going on a trip to South Korea in the next episode and I can't wait

This one that you have hammered and started downloading series and movies worth 30 gig in a week.....

Bros, show me the way. I want to be like you

All these Nigerians complaining about gay scenes in Hollywood movies.

Please, should American culture that respects gay rights bend to your homophobic Nigerian culture?

Why not just stick to your Nollywood movies that like to preach morality yet, majority of their actresses are glorified prostitutes?

Empiree:
You don't understand how law works. If law says someone is charged for blasphemy and it says death is the punishment , it doesn't mean the person will be killed. Govt lawyer must prove beyond reasonable doubt and defense lawyer must also prove he did not commit the crime exactly as described. If found guilty but not exactly as described by law, punishment may be less. For example, if you are charged for manslaughter, this crime is imprisonment for life. But your attorney may argue that it was involuntary which may reduce your jail term to around 12 months and probation. You see the gap?. Plus appel is another option where attorney pleads for leniency.

What a foolish understanding of the law.

If the sentence is mandatory, then it is inevitable that you will receive the punishment if found guilty.

If stealing is 1-5 years in prison, and you are guilty of stealing, you will be handed that 1-5 year prison sentence.

You can only appeal if you are not guilty.



This is besides the point that blasphemy laws are barbaric and foolish.

It is besides the point that you should be arrested and killed, by your own beliefs, for insulting Jesus.

Lanrexlan, Sino, stalwert, antichristian, rilwayne001 please come and kill your muslim brother Empiree since you all believe in blasphemy laws