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sunshineG:
I think you guys have the same thinking though. Since neither of you have faith in God

Been a misotheist doesn't mean you quit ya believe, it only shows you hate god... It also doesn't equate you don't have faith, but you hate God.

BTW, faith is word that is used in context of CHRISTIANITY.

Atheists don't believe in faith

sunshineG:
Acctually your examples on the Telecoms analog only strengthen my point...because you only notice the promotions of other service provider when yours is providing nothing ( or you think it is providing nothing) this where the frustration comes in, and you decide to try other service providers .....I can agree some levels of frustration maybe more than the others..

And there is a thing called switching barriers in business that prevents customers from switching, but let us keep it strictly to religion

Hiannnnnn

It's not easy breaking down simple 1+1=2 to romancelanders óò....

Anyways, What about other factors that might make one have a rethink for wanting to change a provider? - this is an evidence that you ignore the loss.

What you see as FRUSTRATION is called COMPETITION between network providers.

Ericsunday619:
I see and communicate with spirits

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidences

IF I ask you for evidences of how these spirits look now, you'd start to runn upandan

sunshineG:
I know that but I honestly see you guys in the same bracket

Nope.

We ain't same.

Why should I/we (atheist(s)) hate something I/we don't believe in?

That's madness.
I have never seen a atheist who hates God.

sunshineG:
bro Acctually my point is quite straightforward


Take for example, you cannot leave your mobile operator if it suits your need, you can only leave it when you feel it doesn't work as well as it should, that is the frustration....it is the way human being are wired

Christianity is good at counting the hits and ignoring the loss.
You're counting the hits and ignoring the loss.
Back to ya message, you cited CHANGING of telecomm provider as an analogy, but do you know ya analogy is flawed?
One might decide to change his/her network provider due to numerous reasons which depend on personal preferences (like ROLL OUT OF BONUS FROM OTHER PROVIDERS, AVAILABILITY OF NEW PROVIDERS, PERSON INTEREST OF CHANGING PROVIDER, NEW PHONE ACCQUIRED DOESN'T SUPPORT SIMCARD OF THE CURRENT PROVIDER YOU'RE USING etc).

Frustration might not/may never even be a factor for changing provider. So you see ya analogy falls flat.

This is the same analogy you should apply to religion to understand my stance

And yes people from other religions now convert to atheism, but it broke out Christianity

Hian.

OH my God oo

Ericsunday619:
meaning, am not an atheist. I call myself the seeker of truth

Ohh God.

Characters full this romance section óò..
Romance Yaff scattered Una head

sunshineG:
bro that is what is called atheism

It's called Misotheism and not atheism.

They don't believe God exist

Because there is no evidence of God

Ericsunday619:
am not an atheist but i hate God and Jesus Christ

Atheist/Atheism doesn't mean hatred for God
Atheism means a disbelief in God.

Misotheism means hatred for God.
You're a misotheist and not an atheist..
Get the difference pls

sunshineG:
Frustration plays a key role in atheism, frustration with Christianity.....your atheist brothers even admitted to my assertions

My problem with you is, you keep lamenting on FRUSTRATION, yet if I ask you to explain, you will start running in circles.

Now, there are lots of flaws in ya statement.
There are Ex-budhist, ex Muslims, ex-hindus who are now atheists do you mean to say frustration led them out of their belief system?

What about people who left Christianity for Islam, do you mean to say frustration led them out of Christianity?

Now, lemme play the victim card back at you, MUSLIMS that are now Christians, do you wanna say frustration led them out of Islam?
What about Atheists who later became Christians, did frustration also lead them out of ATHEISM?

Ericsunday619:
I trying to defend your weird atheist nature. am not a faithless atheists like you. I believe in God. I only insults Jesus Christ if am bored.

Ad-hominem

sunshineG:
bro you seems to think northern Nigeria is far from here ?

Why is my counter assertion on Saudi Arabia out of point?
don't you know that saudi is ruled by a king. Or do you think atheism is allowed in Saudi or northern Nigeria

Until revolution of democracy in western Europe, do you think Islam was allowed in those countries

Even till today most western European countries don't allow Islam directly, reason why turkey is struggling to get into eu....

So it as a result of politics more than anything

Hian

You win.
Just maintain ya romance section.

Aurevior

sunshineG:
I have said majority of atheists broke out of Christianity and only frustration can cause that.... or do you have any other concrete reason?

Which is Synonymous to the fact that Ex-Christians who are now atheists are frustrated.

I didn't contradict myself self rather you misunderstood a simple explanation.

My response was tailored to the post I quoted. Do yourself a favor by going through the post I quoted

View ya post below

Ericsunday619:
honestly atheists are not frustrated. all my atheists friends are employed and well paid. Christians are so many and a lot are unemployed. some are yahoo yahoo boys while others open church out of frustration in other to make money

Hian

Your case is serious.
At first, you said atheists are frustrated, suddenly they ain't frustrated anymore.

It's well oo

analice107:
Yes, there's nothing like 'A True Christian'. It's either you are a Christian or you are not. For, a Christian is not he who attends church every day and belongs to all the units in church.

A Christian is he who is renewed in Spirit. No man can be renewed and turn away from Christ.

IF only you've been responding like this, we wouldn't have been quarrelling over nothing.

@bold
I'm lost

sunshineG:
I am in Nigeria and I have the right to religious worship...I know of quite a few Christians in the north

I was a Christian. Born and brought up a Christian.
Born and brought up in the North. So I know what I'm talking about.

But if you wanna experiment why atheists ain't outspoken, then try transport yourself to sokoto, I will pay the fares

Saudi Arabia is not a democratic state hence the suppression of anything against the wishes of the king...religion is no different

Out of point

sunshineG:
good things happen to good people, bad things happen to bab people... life is not predictable( we all go through this things)...the good news is that he (your friend) escaped death...he can then choose the life he wants to leave, atheism or otherwise

Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people. But for good people to do bad, it takes religion

I dont mock frustrated people only stating the obvious

You still haven't explained anything bro.

besides atheists shouldn't believe they can preach depression to others too....

You just contradicted yourself above by saying "you don't mock frustrated people".
Here you are doing same thing you preach against.

life is a battle that we all have to struggle with... so no one should feel like he/she have more reasons to be frustrated than me.....

Full comment, no sensible explanation as to why atheists are frustrated

Too bad

sunshineG:
no I am not I am a different person

I was surprised when one guy called me that

SunshineG is sunshineG

LoL

Una smart..... That's good

sunshineG:
I have the right to religious worship

No it is not what people think that matters, it is what you think about yourself that matters...no amount of external validation can change what you think about yourself

you people are not sure of your self, hence you hide your believe and go with the flow

I have already explained that point you want me to elaborate on in my previous post

Stupidity doesn't equate atheism.

Can you go to Saudi Arabia(Mecca) to shout Jesus died for their sins without them chopping off ya head?

Infact, mecca is too far.
I can pay your transport fare down to Sokoto.. When you arrive, kindly enter any mosque and say JESUS is ALLAH

@ hahn
Did you see what I just read?
Science-watch is same as sunshin-eG on Romance section.

Whenever he's frustrated, he flips to religion section, raving like a lunatic, derailing thread by advertising Prof Collins and SCOAN

Image below

Victornezzar:
Lol u gave me something 2 think about wen u said we do force people 2 listen 2 our preachings by shouting at d top of our voices......ur ryt tho
But I can never argue with otematum again
dude can never stop

LoL
You really know the crazy people on religion section.
Tho, otem might sound crazy, but his prediction àbí na prophecies are right

sunshineG:
yeah I see
I think I know more atheist on nairaland than I do know in reality

That because being an atheist is synonymous to being a DEVIL. And atheists tend to lose friends the moment people realise their stand on RELIGION/GOD

Many are just frustrated christians

Do you mind elaborating on the emboldened?

hopefulLandlord:
Are you really making a conscious choice? I have pointed out many times, I find it hard to understand that religious people can be so convinced that the God they serve is the correct one. The fact is that most people serve the God they were born into. If you were born in Afghanistan you would be a devout Muslim that hate Christians. Being born in the bible belt you would be a devout Christian etc. It's amazing how much heredity and geography play into one's "choice" (I use that term loosely) of a god. It also seems that the most adherent followers of a particular deity are also the least informed about the other options. Religious people seem to avoid thinking about this because it makes them uncomfortable.

I ask again, Are you really making any conscious choice? you serve a god that claims to be omniscient, Before you were born he already knew your entire life story. So yes in fact, his foreknowledge dictates your actions. Because 13 billion years before you ever existed, he KNEW everything about you and all your actions till the day you die. This is the meaning of Omniscience to know everything possible to be know. If it's possible to be known, god knows it. Including everyone of your actions. And since god is omniscient ALL the time, he knew everything about you 13 billion years before you were born. So all your actions he already foreknew. And if you change your mind, you didn't really change your mind because 13 billion years before you were born god already knew you would change your mind.

Did you really make any choice?

Are you really making any choice?

Cc tosyne2much.

tosyne2much:
Haba! Maybe because the Babe said Jesus was on earth 2000 years ago, hence the confusion

Hell no.

It was calculated from old testament down to new testament

Toks2008:
God has a way of going about that.

Exactly another problem about religion - ONLY GOD UNDERSTANDS.

tosyne2much:
And this world has been in existence for billion of years. Does it mean our great grandfathers are still in that furnace? ?

you're making a wrong calculation.
according to religious fellas, the world is 5000-6000yrs old and not billion yrs

Toks2008:
The power of choice comes with its consequences.

I chose to accept Jesus as my lord and saviour while another chose not to...it all boils down to the choice we make regardless of our creator.

That is the question, before the advent of Christianity, there have been other religions.

Those before Christianity, do you mean to tell me that will rot in hell?

Segipaul:
Pls I have some questions 1. What's one going to heaven or hell with? Soul, spirit or both? 2. What's gonna happen in heaven? Is it just singing?

What is soul?
What is spirit?

The honest fact is, they are all lies.
We.are useful particles, and when we die, we become partially useful/useless particles

Toks2008:
Lol! that is why you must bring them up in the ways of GOD.

Now what about the Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, etc?
You mean they would end up in hell too?
IF yes, who created these set of people?

tosyne2much:
And this world has been in existence for billion of years. Does it mean our great grandfathers are still in that furnace? ?

These are the "NOT MAKING SENSE" questions of religion.

When you continue asking yourself more of them, you would gradually be drifting from religious to irreligious

tosyne2much:
Look at you You dey find person wey you go bring enter your league abi?


I believe it's perfectly normal to think that way bro. Please let's be very frank and sincere, doesn't it bother you that you're in heaven and your children are burning in the lake of fire?

This can only happen if the memories of your loved ones is wiped off

This was the very question I asked myself while I was still a christian.

Then other questions were;
- is it the same God that created Christians that made Muslims too? If yes, where will be Muslims be on judgement day.? If hell, why since he created them

leonard002:
So Bill Gates who is an agnostic will go to hell after spending his billions helping the poor and the sick, while your pastors and bishops who spend your hard earned money, tithes and offerings living lavish lives will all go to heaven.

That is religion for you bro. In every religion, someone must go to hell.

BTW, you comment was funny
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tosyne2much:
All I know is that hell will be more fun than heaven cos things will really be bubbling there

Jokes apart

Most times, I ask myself if God can be so cruel to subject his children to eternal pain by watching them burn in a fiery furnace for their misdeeds.

Sometimes, I even ask myself what is the happiness and joy in making heaven if my wife and children are burning in hell?

As a person, I find it hard to believe that an ever loving God would be very comfortable with such a thing, and I think that the concept of hell and heaven is what becomes a mystery till date

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