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OtemSapien:
Bro, are you Badoo, Olamide?

LoL

I'm a fan of the noise making artist jare

hahn:
Standard example of an arrogant display of ignorance from that mokwa

Mehn, beauty = lack of brain

Most atimes

geoworldedu:
What's d meaning of your dp?

Guess it means display picture.

Nikbaebrown:
Ask Your Pastor, Hez In Better Position Of Redeeming Your Kind Of Profound Ignorance.

Don't be so arrogant.

There is a very wide gap between been intelligent and beautiful.

There is nothing like "JUDHIST" God but instead God of Judaism or God of the Jews

hahn:
So, who is the Christian god?

Amadioha offcourse

ollah1:
God is overused in Nigeria. It's a sin on its own

LoL

Don't feel offended please, which god did they overuse and how is it a sin?

Nikbaebrown:
Jehovah Is A Judhist God, Nt "The Christian God". Maybe Its Borrowed, But Its Important U Knw The Origin.

I Wonder How Xtians Reason Sef

Which one be Judhist God again oo.

Cc butterflylion

The stupid pastor is stylishly looking for a OFFICE in Aso Rock.

Werey, church magas no Dae pay again

For those that take relationship/love/women/ladies serious.

As for me, I don't agree with the op

butterflyl1on:
I have been saying it repeatedly so how did you miss it?

Nevermind tho

butterflyl1on:
I never disagreed with myself did I?

You kept saying faith isn't evidence. Which means faith based on God must subscribe to empirical proof to be true.

I kept saying faith based on God IS evidence. Even when there is no scientific submission backing it up it exists on its own simply because its anchor (God) does not submit to scientific scrutiny. God is subjective.

Okay, I now understand you...

But since, you never concluded this way

Why?

obinna58:
Dreams are nothing but mind creation it doesn't connect in anyway with reality

Na lie óò.

There is this kind of dream that connect with reality - urinating in the dream which connects to real life

butterflyl1on:
Since you already knew the bolded why then have you been arguing and asking questions about faith and wanting to link it to something physically discernible all this while?

Bro, I never disagreed with you, instead you're the person doing so.
I plead with you to read our messages again.

I don't argue to win. I discuss to learn and widen my horizon.

vaxx:
haaa... Oxygen is a chemical element while love is an abstract object.... You can't deal with them in the same manner....one is acid formation and another one is natural feelings..dem no look alike...

This is the problem with most people. When the argument no longer suits the topic, they drift.

Faith in my own definition is when your belive have reached an higher state of confidence....

Thanks bro. I'm currently stressed up. I can't type again.

But a message for you and Butterflyli-on is; FAITH AND EVIDENCE are two parallel lines that can't meet, no matter what.

Once more, thanks

butterflyl1on:
Sorry adepeter but I will not let you off so easily. You need to answer the question.

Why do you labour daily if you are not sure of being alive the next hour?

I would have love to respond to your question but the honest fact is, I don't even understand the question.

BTW, what if I'm not working to earn a living currently? What if I'm in school (Sec sch, university for BSc, abroad for my masters?). Automatically, your question is invalid and doesn't make sense to me currently.

But like I told you, let's end it here.

You're trying to redefine FAITH to fit the physical world even tho you outrightly stated it above that FAITH is a thing of the spirit REALM.

You don't wanna agree faith is employed when EVIDENCE IS LACKING.

butterflyl1on:
You should know. Why do you labour daily if you are not sure of being alive the next hour?

You know what? I agree with you.

Let's just end it

butterflyl1on:
You should know. Afterall you get up everyday and eat and take a bath and go to work so why do all these things if you do not know or are not sure.

Ohh God,

butterflyl1on:
Why don't you know?

Cos I don't know

butterflyl1on:
You cannot say that as the fleshly man you are. What is your faith standing on for you to make such a declaration?

Faith spiritually for Christians rests on God. So where does your own rest on for such a declaration to be made?

What do you anchor your faith to?

Very good. I'm enjoying the way you're responding.

As a Christian that you are, do you have the FAITH that your dad will be the president of NIGERIA tomorrow been 29th September 2017?

butterflyl1on:
Faith isn't useful when there is no evidence (that is a comment from your human perspective)

From the spiritual perspective, FAITH IS EVIDENCE!

LoL

That's why I said we're two parallel lines that can never meet..

Anyways, I already dropped a question for you above concerning "post of a President"

butterflyl1on:
Let me go further! How sure are you that you would live for the next 1 hour and that your breathe would not cease?

I don't know...

@butterflylion,

I'm I right if I say by FAITH, my dad will/would be the president of NIGERIA tomorrow?

butterflyl1on:
Wrong!

FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR

The car is the hope. The money is the reality of the car. The money is the car but in different values. Give one to get the other.

THE EVIDENCE IF THINGS NOT SEEN.

The hope (car) was First not seen but it was desired in absentia.

Faith is also a desire for something unseen yet known to be real. That is the evidence. It's the evidence for something you know even when not seen.

Spiritually, I'm inclined to agree with you cos CHRISTIANITY IS FAITH BASED.

And faith is only useful when there's no EVIDENCE

butterflyl1on:
Our discussion has nothing to do with Islam.

LoL

So you see. I only drifted so you were comparing two unequal stuffs together.

butterflyl1on:
Vaxx is right to an extent about love being likened to faith.

Can love by itself be seen? NO!

Can love by itself be touched? NO!

Can love be felt by the carrier? YES!
How? ONLY THE CARRIER CAN EXPLAIN HOW!

Can love by itself be measured? NO BUT WE CAN MEASURE ITS ACTIONS!

if we cannot see or touch love but can feel it in a non tangible way yet express it tangibly then what makes us so sure that love is real when in itself cannot be scientifically observed unless AFTER when acted upon.

Vaxx is right!

Bro, you Dae fall my hands the more óò. Why are you guys shifting the definition of faith to suit the topic on ground?

Okay, lemme ask you this;
Can gaseous oxygen be seen? No
Can oxygen be felt physically? No
Can presence of oxygen be experimented? Yes.
Can oxygen be quantified? Yes.

Does that mean OXYGEN evidence is accepted based on faith?

I want your own definition of faith, then we can continue because I'm not understanding comparing loving some as having faith that person LOVES you.

Morealso, like you stated above, faith is a thing of the spirit realm, can the love we have for some be equated to something of the spiritual realm?

butterflyl1on:
I didn't say you are spiritual. I said YOU ARE FLESHLY (CARNAL) AKA HUMAN. where did you read where I said you were spiritual?

Thanks for validating my comment that an atheist CAN NEVER FLOW WITH SPIRITUAL THINGS.

I quite agree with you that atheists can never flow with things of the spirit....

Just the same way a MUSLIM will never agree JESUS died for HIS SINS.

AgentOfAllah:
Colourless (col·or·less): Without colour

You cannot say two things which are colourless have the same colour, let alone that one derives its colour from another. That's just abuse of logic.

Vaxx is comparing two unequal things...

It's really surprising tho

dalaman:
You are just speaking alot of words without saying AANYTHING AT ALL. Give is a specific example of this your spirit at work that is objective so that anybody that sees it ot encounter it will know and agree that it is what you are saying.

LoL

You are wicked dalama-n

butterflyl1on:
The simple reason why you cannot read the glaring message there and grasp it is because you are fleshly and not spiritual.

A fleshly minded man cannot understand the things of the spirit.

1st Corinthians 2:14

But the (fleshly) natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Blood of jesus.

Butterflyli-on, have you come across a "spiritual" ATHEIST? Cos you're surprising me like die.

IF I'm spiritual, then I'm not an ATHEIST.

vaxx:
risk is a way of measuring whom you are... You take risk, you can easily calculate the expansiveness of your capacity.. A reasonable man should therefore take the risk.... Who know it may be true and if otherwise you have no worries.... It will only give you the opportunity to learn next time....


Yes... To belive someone love you is a faith that cant be scientifically proven.. Love work with faith.... Physical qualities isnt enough measurement...

I still want you to define faith because that's my own definition of faith. And if we don't agree on a common definition, then we will keep arguing and disagreeing over nothing.

Furthermore, you analogy of love isn't FAITH for a sane human being

butterflyl1on:
Here is another way to view faith and how tangible it is.

NEED

You have 2 million naira and you want to buy a car. You go online and search for one and you find the perfect one for you.

PRAYER

You call the seller and your communication with him shows that yes it is perfect for you then he says you can come check it out.

WORKS

you book an inspection appointment and on that day you go check it out physically and you like what you see. You then promise to come the next day to pay and pick it up which you do.

FULFILMENT or JUSTIFICATION

you pay and pick up the car keys and drive away with it. It is now yours.

Faith is the cash you have in exchange for the vehicle. FAITH REPRESENTS THE VEHICLE YOU ARE YET TO HAVE.

you trade it in for the vehicle and then the vehicle becomes a reality.

We apply this physically daily in practically all areas of our lives. The difference is because we are physical so we relate more from the physical side which is why many can only see this side. God however is a spirit so would speak from the spiritual side but the application is the same.

Sorry to say bro, I still don't read any meaning in this message.

Like I say, we will never agree on this topic of FAITH,no matter what..

butterflyl1on:
I already did.

Hmmm, really?