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malvisguy212:
this is the problems you have when you don't read the bible, I will not argue with you, you know why ? Because ALL my christians brothers knows everything I said was in the bible.the only point I peak in your post is the rejection of Jesus which can be explain, as a matter of fact , not ALL Jews reject Jesus.

the isrealite thought the messiah who is the king of kings will fight war just as the kings in the old testament do , but Jesus came to restore the kingdom adam lost from the beginning, the bible say Jesus preach the kingdom of heaven, here what the disciples say to Him:
Act 1:6-8
6 Then they gathered around him and
asked him, “Lord, are you at this time
going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to
know the times or dates the Father has
set by his own authority. 8 But you will
receive power when the Holy Spirit
comes on you; and you will be my
witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea
and Samaria, and to the ends of the
earth.”

You see, even His disciples misunderstood Him, it is only Simon peter knows who Jesus really IS ,all the rest don't know His mission,Jesus did not came to restored the kingdom to isreal, so the Jews thought he fail, that why they reject him, but one thing for sure, not AlL reject the message.

. U are shooting urself on the foot,no rational christian that have an iota knowledge of the bible will believe any of those innovations u posted above,so according to ur last post,only peter seems to have believed him,while all the jews rejected him,well,moses ws accepted by all jews,the jews totally rejected him,the only people who took him were his desciple,and one of them styl betrayed him to his enemies,moses ws never betrayed?,am waiting for u to give more,wat u have only achieved so far is to give more reasons why jesus was unlike moses,don't come here and brainwash ur fellow christians,who are so lazy to read the bible or even make research on their own

onetrack:
Islam and Christianity are no different than African, Roman, Greek, or Indian mythology.

. How is islam related to these religions u quoted

malvisguy212:
Moses – The first mediator Jesus – The
final mediator
Moses was born as a Hebrew
Jesus was born as a Hebrew
Moses was chosen by God to be a leader
Jesus was chosen by God to be a leader
Moses was born while his people were
suffering under a cruel leader. (Pharaoh)
Jesus was born while his people were
suffering under a cruel leader. (Herod)
Moses hid in Egypt as a child.
Jesus hid in Egypt as a child.
The leader of the land that Moses was
born into tried to kill all of the babies
when he was born.
The leader of the land that Jesus was
born into tried to kill all of the babies
when He was born.
Moses turned water into blood.
Jesus turned water into wine.
Moses died on a hill.
Jesus died on a hill.
Moses fasted 40 days and faced a
spiritual crisis on a mountain
Jesus fasted 40 days and faced a
spiritual crisis on a mountain.
Moses told people about the need for a
Passover lamb.
Jesus became the Passover lamb.
Moses founded a new religion
Jesus founded a new religion
Moses communicated directly with God
Jesus communicated directly with God
Moses performed miracles
Jesus performed miracles
Moses revised an existing religion
Jesus revised an existing religion
Moses was a law giver – gave the ten
commandments
Jesus was a law giver – gave the great
commandment.
Moses was hated by the ruling party
(Egyptians)
Jesus was hated by the ruling party
(Pharisees)
Moses had brothers and sisters who
misunderstood him.
Jesus had brothers and sisters who
misunderstood him.
Moses chose 12 leaders to follow.
Jesus chose 12 leaders to follow.
Moses gave his people a new identity as
a people.
Jesus gave his people a new identity as a
people.
Moses had followers who strayed from
his teachings.
Jesus had followers who strayed from his
teachings.
Moses is arguably the lead figure of the
Old Testament.
Jesus is the lead figure of the New
Testament.
Moses taught his followers how to pray.
Jesus taught his followers how to pray.
Moses chose people to carry on when he
was leaving.
Jesus chose people to carry on when he
was leaving.
Moses led his people to the promised
land.
Jesus leads his people to the promised
land.
Moses sent 12 spies to Canaan so he
could bring people to the promised land.
Jesus sent 12 disciples to the world so he
could bring people to the promised land.
Moses appointed 70 rulers over Israel
Jesus appointed 70 disciples to the
nations.
The people picked up stones to stone
Moses but they did not succeed.
The people picked up stones to stone
Jesus, but they did not succeed.
Moses controlled the waters of the Red
Sea
Jesus controlled the Sea of Galilee
Moses brought living water out of the
Rock
Jesus brings living water to all of his
believers.
The face of Moses shown with glory on
Mount Sinai.
The face of Jesus shown with glory on the
mount of Transfiguration.
Moses lifted the brazen serpent up in the
wilderness to heal people
Jesus was lifted up on the cross to heal
us from our own sins.
Moses was a shepherd
Jesus was the good shepherd

. U said jesus led like moses,where did jesus lead jews to?,moses didn't turn water to wine,the jews accepted moses,they rejected jesus,jesus didn't die on a hill,stop brainwashing ur christian,he died on a cross,stop the lies haba,jesus and moses never found any new religion,moses didn't found judaism,he never heard the word wen he was alive,jesus never even heard the word christianity in his life,jesus himself said he didn't come with a new law,he said he came to fulfill the pre existing law of moses,so where did he found a new law,why do lie like this?which brothers and sisters did jesus have?oh my God!,wen will stop playing games this people!,which new identity did jesus give the jews,cos I know they rejected him!,jesus taught his followers how to pray,but name one follower that follow it,again which promise land did jesus led the jews,this is a religious forum,and yet u are making up lies,which 70 rulers did jesus appoint over isreal?are u a literate brother,don't u know wat similarities means again!?,u said they both performed miracles,then u started mentioning their miracles,that aren't even alike,moses turned a rod to serpent,did jesus do that?,no!,moses brot a law,did jesus did?no,moses was loved by the jews,jesus hated by them,moses migrated his people,jesus never migrated the jews,in the verse in question God said"I will raise a prophet from among their bethren.."God didn't say within ur brethren,who are the brethren of jews?arab,yet some people reject mohammad!,but God already knew that,so God said"and it shall come to pass that whoever will not harken to the command he shall give in my name,I will require it of him" this is God saying whoever doesn't harken to the command of the prophet,he shall revenge of it,so if u don't follow the command of mohammad,God will require u of it in the day of judgement,u will come to know

Uchan4u:
The genealogy is not the important thing. What is important is that Jesus Christ died to save humanity from eternal damnation. On the third day He rose from the dead to show that He has triumphed over all. If u believe, u enjoy the benefits, if not u lose. Your believing is for ur good and not for His.

. For a man that we muslims believe has no genealogy,a man born without a father,this bible writers who were 'INSPIRED' by God gives him 100 different grandfather,islam take offence to this kind of insult on this great prophet of God,and yet they say this bible is the word of God,quran 2:79"then woe to those who write the book with their own hands and say'this is from God'..."

olaboy001:
The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

. Funny how u christians play games with ur bible words,u take the ones that suit ur purpose,so tell me what God means when he said this in jeremiah 31:9"....because I am isreal father and ephraim is my first born" this is God calling ephraim is first born,luke 3vs38 adam is called the son of God,psalm 2:7,God calls david is BEGOTTEN son,"I will tell of the lord decree,He said to me'u are my son,today I have BEGOTTEN thee'...the problem with u christians is that u have been programmed,in the bible the righteous servants of God are always described as sons of God,God has thousand of sons in ur bible,but preacher have programmed u to think,jesus is the only son of God,they've brainwashed u so much that even if u are seeing it in ur bible,u will styl be understanding the opposite,surrah 2:18"deaf,blind and dumb,they will not return(to the right path)"

BRIGHTRIVERS:
Bravo.. But it all boils down to the fact that there's a God somewhere!

. My brother there is indeed a God,bt u are not just in the right path to Him,pls don't mind wat people say,my brother find out about Islam on ur own,don't let here say cloud ur judgement,in the quran God says,how can you not believe in God,when he created u out of nothing,then u will be brought back to Him

PROVACATEUR:
GTH, Islam is our problem today in this world. A world without islam is paradise.

. Did islam also kill those 10miilion souls in the word war,did islam kill those 8000 muslims in bosnia,did islam kill those 1million iraqis destroyed by US and their cohorts,did Islam kill those 3000 women and children destroyed by Isreal last year....quran 2:11-12
"and when they are told stop spreading evil in the land,they say'we are only reformers"indeed they are the evil mongers,but they are not aware"

PROVACATEUR:
GTH, Islam is our problem today in this world. A world without islam is paradise.

. Did islam also kill those 10miilion souls in the word war,did islam kill those 8000 muslims in bosnia,did islam kill those 1million iraqis destroyed by US and their cohorts,did Islam kill those 3000 women and children destroyed by Isreal last year....quran 2:11"and when they are told stop spreading evil in the land,they say'we are only reformers"indeed they are the evil mongers,but they are not aware"

malvisguy212:
trash. If you cannot defend the quranic contradiction here, were will you want to defend it ? In public so that you will have the opportunity to strike off my head as the quran encourage you to do?

. Then u can take the debate to ur village,invite us we will come meet u there,u can make the debate in anywhere u feel safe if u feel ur conscience is making u feel insecure...if u are not a coward,this is very easy,anywhere in nigeria,we will come and debate u...then we shall see which of us is erring

malvisguy212:
trash. If you cannot defend the quranic contradiction here, were will you want to defend it ? In public so that you will have the opportunity to strike off my head as the quran encourage you to do?

. Then u can take the debate to ur village,invite us we will come meet u there,u can make the debate in anywhere u feel safe if u feel ur conscience is making u feel insecure...if u are not a coward,this is very easy,anywhere in nigeria,we will come and debate u

parisbookaddict:
Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1.400 years may have done catastrophic damage to their gene pool. The consequences of intermarriage between first cousins often have serious impact on the offspring’s intelligence, sanity, health and on their surroundingsThe most famous example of inbreeding is in ancient Egypt, where several Pharaonic dynasties collapsed after a couple of hundred years. In order to keep wealth and power within the family, the Pharaohs often married their own sister or half-sister and after a handful of generations the offspring were mentally and physically unfit to rule. Another historical example is the royal houses of Europe where royal families often married among each other because tradition did not allow them to marry people of non-royal class.The high amount of mentally retarded and handicapped royalties throughout European history shows the unhealthy consequences of this practice. Luckily, the royal families have now allowed themselves to marry for love and not just for status.The Muslim culture still practices inbreeding and has been doing so for longer than any Egyptian dynasty. This practice also predates the world’s oldest monarchy (the Danish) by 300 years.A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred: In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between first cousins (so-called "consanguinity" and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30 percent (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants"Statistical research on Arabic countries shows that up to 34 percent of all marriages in Algiers are consanguine (blood related), 46 percent in Bahrain, 33 percent in Egypt, 80 percent in Nubia (southern area in Egypt), 60 percent in Iraq, 64 percent in Jordan, 64 percent in Kuwait, 42 percent in Lebanon, 48 percent in Libya, 47 percent in Mauritania, 54 percent in Qatar, 67 percent in Saudi Arabia, 63 percent in Sudan, 40 percent in Syria, 39 percent in Tunisia, 54 percent in the United Arabic Emirates and 45 percent in Yemen (Reproductive Health Journal, 2009 Consanguinity and reproductive health among Arabs.).A large part of inbred Muslims are born from parents who are themselves inbred - which increase the risks of negative mental and physical consequenses greatly.The amount of blood related marriages is lower among Muslim immigrants living in the West. Among Pakistanis living in Denmark the amount is down to 40 percent and 15 percent among Turkish immigrants (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants".).More than half of Pakistani immigrants living in Britain are intermarried:The research, conducted by the BBC and broadcast to a shocked nation on Tuesday, found that at least 55% of the community was married to a first cousin. This is thought to be linked to the probability that a British Pakistani family is at least 13 times more likely than the general population to have children with recessive genetic disorders.” (Times of India, 17/11 2005 Ban UK Pakistanis from marrying cousins).The lower percentages might be because it is difficult to get the chosen family member to the country, or because health education is better in the West.Low intelligenceSeveral studies show that children of consanguineous marriages have lower intelligence than children of non-related parents. Research shows that the IQ is 10-16 points lower in children born from related parents and that abilities related to social behavior develops slower in inbred babies:"Effects of parental consanguinity on the cognitive and social behavior of children have been studied among the Ansari Muslims of Bhalgapur, Bihar.IQ in inbred children (8-12 years old) is found to be lower (69 in rural and 79 in suburban populations) than that of the outbred ones (79 and 95 respectively). The onset of various social profiles like visual fixation, social smile, sound seizures, oral expression and hand-grasping are significantly delayed among the new-born inbred babies." (Indian National Science Academy, 1983 Consanguinity Effects on Intelligence Quotient and Neonatal Behaviours of nsari Muslim Children".The article "Effects of inbreeding on Raven Matrices" concludes that "Indian Muslim school boys, ages 13 to 15 years, whose parents are first cousins, were compared with classmates whose parents are genetically unrelated on the Raven Standard Progressive Matrices, a nonverbal test of intelligence. The inbred group scored significantly lower and had significantly greater variance than the non-inbred group, both on raw scores and on scores statistically adjusted to control for age and socioeconomic status." ( Behaviour Genetics, 1984).Another study shows that the risk of having an IQ lower than 70 goes up 400 percent from 1.2 percent in children from normal parents to 6.2 percent in inbred children: "The data indicate that the risk for mental retardation in matings of normal parents increases from 0.012 with random matings to 0.062 for first-cousin parentage." (Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, 1978 Effect of inbreeding on IQ and mental retardation". The study A study of possible deleterious effects of consanguinityconcludes, that "The occurrence of malignancies, congenital abnormalities, mental retardation and physical handicap was significantly higher in offspring of consanguineous than non-consanguineous marriages."Mental and physical diseases and deathThe risk of stillbirth doubles when parents are first cousins (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants). One study analyzed the risk of perinatal death (the child dies during its own birth), infant death (child dies while still infant) and autosomal recessive disorders (serious and often deadly genetic diseases such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy):

More details here : http://en.europenews.dk/-Muslim-Inbreeding-Impacts-on-intelligence-sanity-health-and-society-78170.html

. Incest is categorically forbidden in islam,pls don't copy and paste from sites,always make ur own research quran 4vs23"prohibited for u(in marriage) are ur mothers,ur daughters,ur sisters,ur father sister,ur mother's sisters,ur brother's daughters,ur sister's daughters,ur nursing mothers,the girls who nursed from the same mothers as u,ur wives' mothers,the daughter of ur wives' who u have consummated marriage,if the marriage has not been consummated u may marry the daughter,also forbidden is the women who have been married to ur genetic sons,also u shall not be married to two sisters at the same time,and do not break up existing marriage,God is most forgiving,most merciful". As u can see from this verse madam,we don't wed our first cousins in islam,pls always verify infos before posting to avoid embarrassing urself

[quote author=malvisguy212 post=37233135][/quote]. I just can't seem to understand ur obsession about islam,I seem to be seeing u in a lot of threads about islam,bt as soon as the muslims start engaging u,u flee,its easy to be a coward on the internet,so get a hall in anywhere in nigeria,call all ur christian brothers and sisters,then invite us muslims to a debate between u and us in an open place for all to see,stop being a coward,surely if u are so sure about ur religion,this must be easy for u...quran 17vs81"and say'truth has come and falsehood has vanished,verily falsehood is ever bound to perish"....we will be waiting positively for ur reply

murmee:
What I don't like about his story is that he has been receiving threat calls etc. That is a Lie. Christians do not harrass or threaten anyone who change religion. It is the Muslims that make life unbearable by disassociating or even killing Muslims that crossover to Christianity. People should be free to practice any religion.

. So the people here on nairaland criticising him are not christians abi,and his fellow ibos dis owning him are not christians abi,keep on deceiving urself,

Medicis:
Point of correction... Usa, Britain and Germany are not christian countries. These countries are free societies that allows for freedom of religion I.e you can practice your religion freely without being harrased. But it so sad that in your so called islamic countries, a christian cannot freely practice his religion. A muslim who converts to chritianity will be killed(Apostacy), and this is why a lot of Muslims who now know the thruth about Jesus cannot openly declare for fear of being killed. WHAT A RELIGION!!!

. So now USA is nt a christian country?I laff @ u,britain,the country that wrote the king james bible,the country that found the anglican church is nt a christian country,go to britain and tell them that,and see wat the british man will do to u,US has a christian population of 70 percent...now let's see the punishment apostacy in ur own bible,deute 13:6-9 u must stone them to death,deut 17:3-5,jesus says I have not come to abolish the law,but to fulfill it,jesus says "for God said honor ur father and mother,and anybody who curses his father and mother must be put to death"matt 15vs4,paul said it 2chronicles 15vs30"all who will not seek the God of isreal were to be put to death,wether small or great,man or woman" again in romans 1vs32 he said it,jesus again said it"and those my enemies who will nt have me rule over them,bring them to me and slaughter them in my front"luke 19vs 27....seems u know nothing about the law which guide ur bible,pls try and read ur bible more and follow the law

ByfireByfire:
Christians are being killed and churches are being burnt in Egypt. Google can tell you better. Saudi Arabia have already ran Christianity to a near zero hence there's no need to kill people they've already erased.

. Pls show me where in egypt christians are being killed,8 thousand muslims where killed in bosnia and the world didn't say a word,jst becos of their faith,isreal killed 3 thousand palestinans last year and the world didn't say a word,isreal literally bombs them at will,all helpless civilians,USA invaded iraq and killed thousands all in the name of looking for non existend weapon,and the world didn't say a word,saudi has always been an islamic country,the biggest act of terrorism was performed by the biggest christian country in the world..USA,killing over 500 hundred thousand people with nuclear weapons,japan will never 4get,germany a christian country killed over 6million all becos they didn't share the same color with them,pls again I beg u to show me,where the arab government are killing christians...pls I dare u to show me

Nuhusky:
This is to show you how peaceful is Christianity you are free to worship whatever you like because only God can judge but if to say a Muslim convert to Christian the muslims will killed him that same day why cnt you leave him with God to judge him?

. Yet the punishment for apostacy in ur religion is death,deut 13:6vs9,deut 17:3-5,incase u say its old testament,jesus said I have not come to abolish the law,but to fulfill it,matt 5vs17-18,paul said it 2chronicles 15:13,jesus said so matt 15:4,again jesus says so,luke 19vs 27"for those enemies of mine,who will not want me to be king over them,bring them here and kill them in front of me...u have clearly not been reading ur bible before speaking...try to read ur bible more ok?

Trailblazer1:
I would have loved to cure your ignorance, mis-perceptions and mis-conceptions of the bible, but unfortunately, my explanations will never change your opinion, since you are already determined to prove it wrong.

less I forget, the bible existed before the advent of Koran, muhammed and islam. The same bible was copied to reproduce the Koran without anybody being charged for plagiarism. Jewish names where changed to arabic, making Abraham, Moses, and even Jesus arabs lol. Since Koran fell from the sky nobody can sue you for copyright.

. Instead of scoring cheap points,simply counter the man by ur facts if u have none,this guy just showed u clear cut contradictions in ur bible which all eyes can see and u can't even defend ur bible,and yet u say holy ghost inspired this writers,can holy ghost be saying God is peace,another time,God is war,that God is light,another time God is darkness,haba,guy holy ghost didn't inspire this people,they inspired themselves,hence the contradictions,the only ignorant person I see here is u,who the white man already programmed to think in one particular way,of even if the the person jst showed u clear cut cases showing u this can't be God dictating,u styl believe other wise,even tho u know this is contradiction...may God help u my brother

Scholar8200:
You appear to readily agree with pharisees, gnostics & their apocryphal writings, false teachers/scholars and people possessed with the spirit of the antichrist simply because their deeds and actions agree with your position! But realise that only the Truth will call forth frantic efforts by the father of lies, to destroy, corrupt, edit,twist etc But God Preserves His Word!
Psalm 12:6,7
The words of the Lord are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever

. So I guess u are saying the bible scholars of the NIV are devils,and the jehovah witnesses are devils,next time I see one,I will tell him,his fellow christian said he's a devil....this wat am telling u,that ur preachers already polluted the words,they are attributing to jesus wat he didn't say...ur bible is in pure english,and yet u are understanding the opposite of wat jesus is saying,its amazing hw people get deceived,jst amazing

Joule30:
Please! please! I have a life. I can't spend the required time to read through all this. Cut the inferences and go straight to the point.

. Am telling u,since the creator himself created logical beings,he must deal with them in a logical way,he created the logic in them,hence he must communicate with them in a logical,and nothing about christianity goes with logic,u can't say God has three heads,the father,the son,the holy ghost,when logic will tell u two captains can't be in a ship,so christianity can never be the religion from God

Scholar8200:
Prove your claims! But you are deeply biased! Jesus said John 3:3, Matthew 5:20 but not John 3:16!!! What criterion did you use in your cherry-picking exercise? And how will you say what you are practising right now exceeds that of the pharisees? Remember pharisees believed the greatest commandment in the law!

christian scholars,jehovah witnesses etc are not the Holy Spirit. Besides can you name some of such scholars? We already know that the last days will be characterised by deception and unfortunately here you are quoting their deception! I hope you know the judgement awaiting those who take away from or add to God's Word?


So John 3:16 is not in red??!! This action of yours is bias vividly illustrated!


John 14:2 are Christ's Words and are in red!
In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you

Was this spoken to grasses and shrubs?
42 Jesus said unto them, [size=14pt]If[/size] God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:42-44


1 John 4:1-3 said to test the spirits! WHY? Because there are many teachers and scholars that deny Jesus and claim to have the Spirit but they lie! What they have is the spirit of the antichrist! Beware who you support!

. I try to be simple with my words as easy as it could be,the NIV bible threw jhn 3:16 out,the jehovah witness also threw it out,becos they didn't find it in the most ancient bible manuscript they found,It wasn't me that said it wasn't there,it was ur bible scholars who said it,so I said,since ur bible scholars already said its a fabrication,let us now check for the other jesus words that they said is nt a fabrication,and in these words of jesus,there's no place where he said I am God,absolutely no where....now u see there are about thirty thousands ancient manuscript of the new testaments...and and there's no two of this that are identical,some of the manuscripts don't even mention the cruxifriction of jesus,some say directly he didn't even die,another manuscript written by barnabas one of the 12 desciples of jesus,didn't even mention death of jesus,this manuscrip also states the coming of a prophet after jesus...and all this writers claim to have had the holy spirit...ur early preachers,just went to these different manuscript and picked the one that suited them,they didn't ask for the holy spirit,the jst decided to pick the one that suits them,becos they wanted to catch fish...now u mention the holyspirit concerning jhn 3:16,ur scholars that reject this verse claim to have the holy spirit,the jehovah, witness also say they have the holy spirit and they reject it,and yet u also claim u have the holy spirit u accept it...u guys are deceiving urself,any spirit of God,will never confuse humans,rather it will guide them to all truth just like jesus said,and that spirit of truth is mohammad,he guided man to all truth,all ur problems,he gave us the answers...the white man jst came and told u that someone died for ur sins,and u could nt even him ask him questions,becos u already think the white man is always right,u are reading the bible where jesus says,ur God is one,bt the white brain washes u and says no,ur God is three,jesus is saying sumtyn and the white man brainwashes u to understand the opposite...pls my brother,remove urself from this brainwashing and ask ur preachers questions,and believe me,they will never be able to give u answers becos it's nt 4rm God,the hindus also claim buddha is God incarnate,so they worship buddha,christians say jesus is God incarnate so they worship jesus...this is pure blasphemy

lexiconkabir:
salamualaikum bro, jesus is coming back an arab. see up, what i typed there

. Wa laikum salam brother...may Allah bless u for the correction,nice work...jumat mubarak

Haykay80:
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Learning from Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)

on August 21, 2015 / in Facing The Ka'aba, News 12:54 am / Comments

By Haroon Balogun

As Allah’s Prophet and Messenger, he delivered the message, explained it and applied it on himself and on his household. As a human being of excellent morals and character, we pattern our behavior and character after his example. Allah praised His prophet’s high morals and exalted character and said: “ You are indeed on exalted standard of character and morals “Al-Qalam 68: 4.

To be truthful, honest and sincere. The act of honesty guides to righteousness and that leads to paradise. We also learn to be humble, never to glorify him in place of the Creator rather call him the servant of Allah and His messenger. We learn to be kind, gentle, patient and tolerant. Spreading useful knowledge is all a trait imparted by the Prophet on Muslims.

Do good always even to those who offend you, give alms to the poor, help the needy without expecting any material reward in return. Also, every Muslim must also work hard and do their job to the best of their ability, not to harm others or offend them in any way for selfish gain. Muslims are also taught to follow his example as a husband , a father , a friend , a teacher and a ruler.

He emphatically warned that a Muslim is the brother of another Muslim; he does not wrong him but helps him . Therefore we learn from Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) how to develop morals and good character . He was truthful and honest and people trusted him because he deserved their trust. He did not lie or cheat and always kept his promise . He was nicknamed : As-Sadiq , Al-Ameen ( The one who is truthful and the one to be trusted ).

A person does not get to that level by words , his actions and his character must be such that people would believe what he says and would trust his word . To illustrate the importance of being truthful and not lying , the Prophet (s.a.w) said : ( For truthfulness guides to righteousness , and righteousness guides to paradise . A person keeps on saying the truth till he is written with Allah a truthful person ; and lying guides to wickedness , and wickedness guides to Hell . A person keeps on lying till he is written with Allah as a liar ) .

The prophet of Allah was not arrogant. He was humble and never elevated himself and treated everyone with respect . He said to his companions : ( Do not glorify me like the Christians glorified the son of Mary, but say: the servant of Allah & His messenger ) .

Therefore we learn to be humble and not look down at others . This requires confidence and Taqwa ( God-Consciousness ) . We are all Allah’s creation : if I have more in money or knowledge or prestige , it is because Allah allowed my effort to succeed . Someone else may have not been so lucky . But each person has some merit and was given something good by Allah . It is much better to cultivate that good side , rather than ridicule or look down at other people’s deficiencies .

The prophet of Allah was kind , patient and tolerant . He was not harsh or severe . He did not use bad language or curse . He did not get angry or loose his temper . It is this gentle , kind nature that attracted others to him and made them love him and obey him . They loved the man as well as the messenger .

They learned from him and they learned from his example. They became better human beings by associating with him *This is the mark and influence of a true and genuine person . You can feel his presence by observing those around him . How much did he impact their lives and did he change it for the better or worse . Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) had and still has the ability of improving the lives of so many people , that is a testament to his genius and great character and influence .

The prophet of Allah cared about spreading useful knowledge and teaching morals and proper behavior by example . He was very keen on instructing the young minds because he knew that they represented the future.

Teachers andeducators

His companions were young men , who in turn became the teachers and educators of future generations . The Prophet (s.a.w) said: (The best amongst you is he who learns the Qur’an and teaches it to others) . He emphasized the importance of knowledge that helps as one of the few things that will continue to benefit us even after we die and all our deeds cease .

We learn from Allah’s prophet the true meaning of patience as an active process of perseverance and struggle , not passive acceptance , nor giving up . We accept the fate that Allah has willed for us , and work through our difficulties and trials , in order to change our fate to another fate that Allah may will for us . We do not blame “ our fate “ , nor “ accuse our misfortune “ or become lazy and say “ it is useless , we cannot do anything about it “ .

The Prophet of Allah struggled throughout his life and withstood the ridicule and abuse of the Kuffar ( unbelievers ) in Macca ; then the hypocrites and Jews in Madinah. He lost his sons in early infancy and lost three of his daughters.

He lost his faithful wife. He lived the life of a poor person. The house of Muhammad hardly had any food except water and dates . He did not complain , but was patient and had absolute trust in his Lord. He said : ( Patience is a light ) : meaning a light that increases one’s faith ( since patience is half the faith as related in one tradition ).

Or , it may mean that patience fills our heart and replaces our anxiety and uncertainty with calm and assurance that we are not alone , and that Allah is with us and knows what we are going through.

The Qur’an explains:

“No kind of calamity can occur except by the leave of Allah ; if anyone believes in Allah, Allah guides his heart , for Allah knows all things “ At-Taghabun 64 : 11 . We also learn from Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) to place our priorities correctly. The most important thing is to live our lives upright and straight , obeying Allah and seeking His pleasure , and to do the best job possible , each in his area or specialization .

It is not how much money or power or fame that we have , but it is how sincere and devoted we are to Allah and how much effort we spend in order to help others and improve their life and guide them to Allah . The Qur’an is clear that we should live our lives as true and upright individuals and not wrong ourselves , nor wrong others :

“ Therefore stand firm (in the straight path) as you are commanded , you and those with you who turn to Allah , and transgress not , for He sees all that you do . “ Hud 11 : 112 . It is very easy to get distracted by the pleasures of this life and to be fooled and set our priorities wrongly.

We may loose sight of what is really important : doing good , helping others and serving Allah , and replace that with the pursuit of selfish pleasures , power , money or fame . The Qur’an reminds us that all these material things are transient and their value is not as great as Allah’s pleasure or His reward :

“ The material things which you are given are but the conveniences of this life and the glitter thereof . But that which is with Allah is better and more enduring . Will you not then be wise ? “Al-Qasas 28 : 60 .

We learn from the prophet of Allah the importance of hard work and doing our work to the best of our ability . Amana (being trustworthy ) implies that we watch our behavior and that we do our work as best as we can . We do not need someone to watch over us , because we understand that Allah is watching and that whatever we do is recorded .

Also we feel responsible and we are honest and do not cheat anyone . We try to improve and do not lie or cheat or cut corners , for our goal is to please Allah and do an honest day work . This is what will count in our favor on the Day of Judgment , not how much money we got for our work . The Prophet (s.a.w) said : (Allah loves for each one of you , when he works to do the best possible job possible and to perfect his work ) .

We also learn from Allah’s prophet not to harm others in word or deed , but to help them . If we have nothing good to say , we should keep quiet and control our tongue . Words can cause a great deal of harm . The Prophet (s.a.w) said : (Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day , let him say something that is good or he should keep quiet) . He also said : (The Muslim is he who other Muslims feel no harm from his tongue or hand ).

It is easy to talk about other people especially behind their backs . Most of the time , what is said is not complimentary or is harmful . Many talk without thinking or realizing that their words can cause a great deal of harm to the feelings or reputation of other people . They take it lightly and as a joke .

Following the example of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) :

The Prophet of Allah was a father and a husband . He was a friend to his companions . He was a teacher and educator He was a leader of a nation and a statesman . He was a judge .How he faced and solved the problems that he encountered ? What can we learn from him in all these roles that he played .

This aspect of the Prophet’s life is less well understood or commented upon . It is important to study and learn from his example since he was guided by Allah and had the strength of character and morals to behave admirably under different circumstances. This is the meaning of the Qur’anic order : “ You have indeed in the messenger of Allah a beautiful example of conduct for he who rests his hope in meeting Allah , and in the Last Day , and engages often in the remembrance of Allah “ Al-Ahzab 33 : 21 .

We learn from the prophet as a husband the importance of treating our wives well and that we should be patient and tolerant . He emphasized that the best is he who is best in treating his wife . He advised the Muslims to take good care of their wives and to provide for them and support them . He himself was not above working at his home and helping in dusting the floor or mending the clothes or milking the goat .

As Aisha said : ( He used to help his wife and family at home ) . He was kind and tender and tolerated the arguments and jealousy exhibited by his wives . He never raised his voice nor hit any woman or a servant , nor said anything indecent . He accepted whatever food was offered to him and thanked Allah for His blessing . He was content in living as a poor Muslim and did not long for money or other material things in life .

As a father he was kind and loving . He wept when his son died but accepted Allah’s decree and sought patience . He was kind with the orphans , as he was an orphan himself . He taught us to be just and equitable and not differentiate in our treatment nor favor one child over another .

He emphasized the importance of raising our children well aware of their duty in serving Allah . He also told us that each person is a guardian and is responsible for and accountable for those under him . The husband is a guardian in his home , and the wife is a guardian also . They work together and cooperate so that their family may succeed and prosper .

As a friend to his companions he was close to them and never separated nor elevated himself . He was always available and visited them during happy and sad occasions . They celebrated together and fought together . He listened to their opinions and took their advice . He emphasized that Muslims must care for each other and help one another . He said : (Allah will continue to help the servant who is helping his brother ) .

He said : (A Muslim is the brother of another Muslim : he does not wrong him , nor leave him alone to his enemy . Whoever shields another Muslim , Allah will shield him on the Day of Judgment ; whoever helps another Muslim , Allah will help him ) . As a leader of a nation and a statesman , he taught us the importance of diagnosing the ills and problems that face and afflict our community , then coming up with the right solution .

He put into action a plan that solved many of the problems that faced the Muslims in Madinah and his plan was ingenious . Instead of adding more economic burden on Madina’s meager resources , he placed the burden on individual Muslims and asked each one to adopt a brother and help him and treat him as such . The resources were used efficiently and cooperation , friendship and love developed , rather than mistrust or enmity or division .

The Mosque became the focal point in the lives of Muslims ; the place where they would meet , pray together , know one another and help each other . Law and order and equality governed the lives of Muslims . They cooperated with their non-Muslim neighbors who were guaranteed the same rights as Muslims and their freedom and liberties safeguarded , as long they lived in peace and cooperated with their Muslim brothers As a teacher he placed emphasis on teaching by example and spreading useful knowledge .

He was particularly interested in nourishing up young minds and preparing them to take their place as future leaders . Most of his companions were young men and women eager to learn and apply what they learned . He encouraged questions and spoke in short clear sentences , easy to understand and remember . He encouraged us to seek knowledge and to teach others , starting with our families .

As a judge in disputes among contenders , he taught us to listen to both sides and not jump to conclusions and to always seek the truth and be just and wise . We should not favor those whom we love , or rule against those whom we may dislike , but judge according to the merit of the case and be objective . We should remember that one day we too have to answer to Allah and await His judgment . He gave us the example of the three judges : two in Hell and one heaven : those in Hell are those who ruled in ignorance or followed their desires and not the truth . The one in heaven is he who learned and followed the truth .

Muhammad ( PBUH ) was human:

There is a tendency to glorify leaders and make them more real than life . In the case of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) some ignorant Muslims have elevated his status to above that of a prophet and even almost worshipped him . The Qur’an is very clear that Muhammad is only a human being and as such is subject to all the laws that govern human beings . He was born and he died ; he reacted to events around him .

He made the best possible judgment when he received no divine inspiration . His judgment was correct most of the time , but on few occasions he erred . An error of a prophet is always corrected by Allah , otherwise his action becomes law . The Qur’an mentions few instances in which divine inspiration came down to correct the prophet’s action .

For example accepting ransom from the captives of Badr , or allowing the hypocrites to join in the battle field , or frowning upon the blind man , or staying away from his wives for a long time . Obviously these are minor mistakes . Under no circumstance does a prophet commit major mistakes or indulge in sinful acts .

The prophet was very keen on guiding his people and was deeply hurt that they did not believe in his message. This shows his humanity and how much he cared . Allah stresses in the Qur’an that He sends to each community one of their own . Someone they knew and trust. He applies the message in his behavior and becomes an example to follow . Allah does not send angels as messengers o human beings otherwise they are held to standards beyond their ability .

Some ignorant Muslims believe that going to the prophet’s grave in Madinah and asking him for help is useful, for it will gain them his intercession. The prophet (s.a.w) is dead and as such he cannot help anyone in our life time . If we do good, obey Allah and obey Allah’s messenger , then we may gain the prophet’s intercession on the Day of Judgment .

Our duty towards prophet Muhammad (s.a.w):

Is to obey His orders and follow his example . Obeying the prophet means that we obey Allah , Who sent His prophet and inspired to him divine revelation. The Qur’an is very clear that obeying the prophet of Allah is a sign of belief and a sign that we indeed love Allah: “ Say : “ if you do love Allah follow me : Allah will love you and forgive you your sins , for Allah is often forgiving , most-merciful . “ Al-Imran 3:31 .

We are also commanded in the Qur’an to follow the example of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) character and proper behavior ; and to send peace and greetings on Allah’s prophet as a sign of respect .

Another important duty is to study his life story and his sayings and use them as guidelines in our life . He was a mercy from Allah to the worlds . He is dead , but his example and teachings are alive Then it is our duty to spread the message of Islam that prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) started .

His message is alive and contains many answers to the ills that afflict mankind today . We will be asked on the Day of Judgment whether we delivered the message of Islam or not “ Say : “ This is my way , I do invite to Allah with knowledge and conviction , I and those who follow me . “ Yusuf 12 : 108 .

Prayer: ‘O Allah make our hearts believe; our tongues always remembers You; and make our deeds good and acceptable to You. Give us knowledge that is useful; and make our souls to be contented and blissful.’

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. Very beautiful article,may Allah bless u abundantly

Scholar8200:
Semiramis/Isis mother of Horus/Osiris aka Tammuz etc (not a virgin by the way but a widow), wanted to maintain the glory she enjoyed when Nimrod her husband was still alive so she , being pregnant at the time of Nimrod's death, lied that the child was Nimrod coming back again and that he is the Seed God spoke about in Genesis 3:15 (this promise of Christ's coming was given after the fall and was passed down. After the flood, there was a dispersion and it appears each group maintained this lie of Semiramis and updated same as events unfolded). Of course people believed her (Nimrod had been a mighty man after the flood,founder of Babylon most important city in ancient Mesopotamia) . (More from,"The Two Babylons", by Alexander Hislop)
Genesis 10:8-10
8 Cush became the father of Nimrod; he was the first to be a mighty man on the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord.
10 The beginning of his kingdom was[b] Babel[/b], Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar [in Babylonia].
Note that Babel was where the tower of Babel was to be built, thus was his influence!

The roots of the Oldest of them all (horus/tammuz/osiris) whence the other 9 got their'inspiration', clearly shows an aim to steal from a prophecy God had declared which was to be fulfilled in His time.
And as God's plan unfolded, they also were updating their lies to make it look real! How do I know this?
History proves Herod,crucifixion being a Roman practice etc existed at the time of Jesus, but whence the proof for Horus?

An angel spake to Joseph to take the child to a place because of Herod, since horus' exponents did not anticipate a legal father, they changed theirs to the woman who interestingly was called a goddess! Well Mary was not, and shall never be a goddess!(Pointer to why those who derived article of faith from gnostic gospels worship and rever Mary.)

Unlike Jesus Christ, why is the name of the others so hidden? Didn't they also command their 'disciples' to preach?

Where are the records of their life and sayings like we have in the Gospels?

Who were the pharisees that occasioned their 'crucifixion'?

What Mosaic laws did those pharisees claim to be protecting? And as for horus, where was he hidden since the great dispersion had not taken place and the world then was in single location before the dispersion? etc

The same contamination was attempted by the gnostics with the Gospels but they failed: none of their 'gospels' made it into the Bible. (Though unfortunately, many have been deceived by them and the world's largest denomination was concocted therefrom)

. I have one question to ask the house,do the christians believe that budha and kisna was God incarnate?,of course they say no,becos the christians will believe its illogical,now bt the same christians are now saying exactly what the hindus,romans,greeks are saying by telling the world jesus came as God incarnate,so the logical questions we ask all this religion is this,thank God they all have books,so we ask them...did this people tell u they were God incarnate?and believe there's no statement from either,buddha,kisna,jesus ,saying they were God incarnate,so we wonder how they got their religion,rather after this great persons died,becos they were rigteous,their people started taking them as God,that's how Buddhism came out,that's hw christianity came out,that's how...so we wonder where they got their religion from

Joule30:
" ...surely this
creator MUST abide by this logic,since he's
dealing with logical beings,..."

That's what I talking about. That is logical thinking in play. You are dictating how you want the Almighty to respond to you. We are about 7 billion on this planet. Many more have died long before you were born and you feel so unique, Yahweh should come down to do what you want the way you want it? Hmmm.

Isaiah 55:8
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither
are your ways my ways, saith the Lord."

. Brother am not an atheist,bt since the atheist belives in logic,I have to logically explain the existence of God,and why God punishes human or reward him,that's what's am explaining...and from normal logic,if anyone obeys the law u get a reward,and if u disobey a law u get punished,there will be no sense to tell people not to steal,if there is nt a punishment for stealing,it will make no sense,and so God also,he gave us logic to use,hence if u obey God also,wiil be rewarded and if u disobey him,u will be punished...I was trying to tell the atheist the logical reason why God will punish u or reward u,that's the point am trying to make.....now u see this God,a lot of people claim to be in contact with,the hindus of india say this God always incarnate to become human,so he can show men the right way to live,in this sense they believed buddha to be ninth incarnate of God,they also say ghandi was the 11th incarnate of God,so for any religion that claims to worship any thing as God,the first logical question we should ask those people is "did this person say he was God',if the people say no,then that means there religion is invalid,Cos this person doesn't even know his been worshipped...same thing applies to christianity,they say jesus was the incarnate of God,that God came down to die for their sins,the one that ADam allegedly committed,so we ask them the same logical question "did jesus say he was God,or did he say I will come and die for ur sins",and there's no where in their records where this man say such a thing,so there religion becomes automatically invalid...now we ask the muslims,who do u worship,they say God,we ask them"did this God say u should worship him"they say yes,so we ask another logical question,"have u seen this God before"they say no,so we ask again,"then who told u to worship this God"so they say God always said messengers to mankind telling him wat was required of him,so it is this messenger coming with the same message that told them they should worship only God,that their God is one...that is logical reasoning,so now all we have to do is to ask this muslims,if this God is really the creator,then he must be able to logically tell us why he created us,how he created the world,and wat happens wen we die and why we even die....

Medicis:
Muslims can be so dull... They actually think when we say Jesus is the Son of God, that God had s*x with Mary and begat Jesus. The Sonship of Jesus is a physical manifestation of the father in flesh. JOHN1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
 
John uses the Greek word logos to describe Jesus "in the beginning," or before creation and time began. Logos means word, but specifically it means the spoken word or a statement. Jesus is God's spoken word,
John then explains that the Word (Jesus) was "with" God and "was" God. This statement yields two important conclusions regarding Jesus and the Trinity: Jesus is God and existed from the beginning as God, yet Jesus' existence is somehow distinct from God the Father. Jesus was "with" God and "was" God at the same time. This is the mystery of the Trinity: all three Persons in the Godhead are One God and yet all are distinct from one another.

Moving to verse 3, John says that it was the Word (Him) that created all things. From this statement, we begin to see why Jesus is called the "Word" by John. Consider these facts we learn from John's Gospel and elsewhere in Scripture:

First, we know from scripture that God the Father is Spirit (John 4:24), meaning He doesn't exist in physical form. So, there is no physical substance to God the Father. The Creation cannot experience the Father as He truly is, since we are bound to a physical dimension yet He is not physical.

Secondly, we know that God's Spirit is likewise invisible (John 3:6-. He can only be known by observing His work in the Creation.

On the other hand, Jesus is the member of the Godhead responsible for all physical matter. As John said, all things were made by and through Jesus. Paul says the same thing in Col 1:15-17. 

More over, Paul teaches in Colossians that Jesus is the "image of the invisible God." Therefore, He is the only Person in the Godhead Who has entered into and become a part of the physical creation. Jesus can be seen in a physical sense, because He is the One Who entered into the Creation and become a part of it (i.e., became incarnate).

Therefore, Jesus is the One within the Trinity Who is associated with Creation, both as its source and as an ambassador of the Godhead to that creation.

Next, consider how the Creation itself was established in Genesis 1. Genesis 1 teaches that the world was created by the spoken word of God (note the repeating phrase in Genesis 1, "Then God said...". So when God the Father determined to created the universe and everything in it, He "spoke" it into existence. But as John said in verse 3, Jesus was the One who made all things, therefore we can say that Jesus was God's logos, or spoken Word.

We can begin to understand this partnership (at least to some degree) by drawing an analogy to how our own thoughts and words reach into the physical word. When we desire to command something to happen in the world around us, we must first conceive the idea in our minds. No one can see our thoughts. They are invisible, yet they certainly exist. Without our thoughts, we could purpose to do nothing at all.

If our thoughts are to become visible in some way, they must move from the invisible realm of our mind and into the physical world. The progression from invisible to visible requires we transfer our invisible thoughts into a spoken command. The brain communicates our thoughts to our mouth where it becomes logos: spoken words.

Once the spoken word leaves our mouth, it enters the physical world and yields its intended effect. This simple analogy helps explain how God the Father worked with God the Son (i.e., the Word) to establish Creation.

This is John's meaning when he says that Jesus is the Word. He meant that Jesus is the physical manifestation of God the Father, just as a spoken word is the physical manifestation of our inner thoughts. Until Jesus took action and created the universe, there was no physical reality to God's presence. But when God "spoke" (i.e., when Jesus took action), the Creation came into existence.

Later, Jesus arrived in Person to meet with His creation, and as Jesus spoke His words to His disciples, He fulfilled the Father's purpose by providing a physical representation of the Godhead to His creation.  Hebrews says it this way:

 
Heb. 1:1  God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
Heb. 1:2  in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Heb. 1:3  And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power...
 

Paul reiterates this same thought in Colossians when he says:

 
Col. 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Col. 1:16  For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
 

Jesus is the Word because He was the means through which the Father brought all physical reality into existence and because He is the One Who represents the Father's invisible nature and character to that creation. Just as your spoken word is the physical manifestation of your thoughts and personality, Jesus is the "Word" of the invisible God to His creation. This is why Jesus said, "before Abraham was born, I AM!"(John 8: 58) because he existed as the WORD but that same WORD now became Jesus(the WORD became flesh)

. So from ur statement,u say jesus is God's word meaning anytime God say sumtyn,it is jesus that actually construct it?I hope I got u right?this I wat u tell me...but let us pls ask jesus if he has any power...jhn 5vs30"I can of my self do nothing.."Jesus is telling u clearly he has no power of his own,time and time again,when he performs any miracles,he will say this not my doing,bt my father's doing,this is in ur bible,where does jesus say he is God in three,absolutely no where? That book of john u are quoting,all ur scholars agree it wasn't even written by john,no one knows who wrote them,because in the book of john,u will find words like this "and john said to jesus,and jesus said to john"if it were john, it would have been,"and I said to jesus,and jesus said to me",this is clearly telling u someone different is writing the story....I believe u christians say u follow the teachings of christ...so tell me then,where did jesus say God is three in one,show me where jesus said so...absolutely no where will u find such a statement attributed to jesus,becos such a statement will be blaspshemous,and the prophets of God never say anytyn apart from the truth,rather jesus says...mark 12vs29 that God is ONE,he didn't say father,son,holy ghost...bt u christians insist on following the words of anonymous writers instead of the direct teachings of jesus,its amazing that jesus is saying something and u christians are doing the opposite,yet u claim to follow him,its jst amazing

Medicis:
Will this your Jesus come back as a Jew or an Arab?

. Jew is a jew,and as such I don't expect him to come back any other than that

OLAADEGBU:
Let me take you up on the bolded sentence above. If you Muslims don't worship Muhammad why do you kill whenever anyone makes fun or draws a caricature of him? I don't see you getting up in arms when people desecrate Allah like you do when Muhammad is criticised.



If you truly believe in Jesus you will believe and trust that He is the way, the truth and the life and that no one goes to God without Him.



What makes me know that your qur'an is not a divine book but a compilation of Jewish folklore stories and some OT passages. The fact that a folklore saying in the apocryphal books as highlighted above made its way into the Qur'an proves my point.



If you believe that God gave Jesus the gospel why does the Qur'an deny the very truth of the gospel that Jesus was crucified, died, buried and resurrected on the third day? That was the purpose He came to earth so as to make man become sons of God but you insist that you are and will continue to be slaves of Allah.

. And this is where u christians exhibit lack of knowledge,muslims don't worship mohammad,no muslim worship mohammad,we worship Allah(God),ask the arab christians wat the call God,or infact come nearer to nigeria,ask the northern christian what he calls God,he tells u Allah...ur second point,u see jesus was the way the truth and the life,I agree hundred percent,bt when moses was alive who was the way for the children of isreal?,moses,if u wanted salvation in the time of moses,u have to follow moses,if u wanted salvation during the time of noah,u have to follow noah,if u wanted salvation during the time of lot,u have to follow lot,every prophet of God is the way during their time,when mohammad came,if u want salvation,u have to follow mohammad,every prophet is the way during their time,when the children of isreal didn't follow moses again wat happened?God punished them,when the people of noah didn't follow him again wat happened?God punished them,when did people of lot didn't follow him again wat happened?God punished them,so during the time of every prophet,that prophet becomes the way,and for u to get to God u must pass thru them,by following wat they teach....ur third is actually funny,cos if u don't believe in that miracle of jesus,then I should be telling u don't believe in jesus,there are miracles in ur bible that is even greater than that....now ur fourth we all believe in the gospel(injeel),that was the message jesus preached,and in this message of jesus,no where did jesus ever say"I am God,worship me,or that I will die for ur sins,or that God is three in one"...so wat message did jesus preach,let us ask jesus,shall we?,jesus said this is the most important commandment"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one"mark 12vs29,but if I should u christians ur most important commandment u tell me"believe in God in three person,the father,son and holy ghost"jesus said ur God is one,u christians are saying the opposite...so u see my brother u people are the ones nt following the teachings of jesus...and the believe in one God,the word in arabic is called islam...that was the preachings of noah,moses,abraham,lot,jesus,evry prophet said God is one...but u christians,u say no,that God is in three person,and this God died for ur sins,did jesus ever said that?no capital NO...so u are following ur own way,not jesus,

Joule30:
One of the reasons He is called God is that you don't tell Him what to do. You can as well tell Einstein to pay you a personal visit or tell planet Neptune to move to your backyard, or else(you make it sound like a threat, lol) you won't believe that either exists.

. My brother just relax and read my write,I think I made it in plain english,u said u are thinker,so am making it simple for u....every human being born has a tendency to believe someone created him,that someone must have created everytyn he sees,the sun,the moon,the animals,he belives this person is watching him from a place,but where he doesn't know,bt u see the human mind has unlimited thinking capacity,so the human starts asking questions,how did he get here,he has a lot of question...bt in the centre of every human life is the believe he has that somebody created everytyn he see,and this thinking is logical and scientifically proven,because the human knows anytyn that comes from a vacuum must have a source...so now the human believes someone made him on earth,bt he doesn't know how to get to this creator,now if @ all there's a creator,he should be able to give this human the answer he seeks...so this creator sends him messengers,among telling him wat to do,the man is lost in ignorance,he doesn't have a clue to why he is where he is,he's curious wat happens wen he dies,he wants to know why he even dies,he's got so many questions,that he can't answer for himself,bt this (all human beings when born)believes in a creator...so surely this creator shuld be able to tell him wat to do if it infact he exists...so the creator actually sends him messengers...now this messenger tells him,wat the creator expect from him,the creator tells man his rules and regulations....now for every law,any law,there is a reward for keeping to it,and also a reward for breaking it,for the law states don't steal,so if u steal,the govt denies u ur freedom,by putting u in jail,bt if u obey the law,u get to enjoy ur freedom,so for any rules and regulations,there's always a penalty for breaking it and a reward for following it...surely this creator must abide by this logic,since he's dealing with logical beings, hence the creator tells man,if u follow my rules,I will give u something,bt if u break my rules I will punish u,from this explanation my brother,u can see the human is not dictatting 4 the creator...I never said that

Scholar8200:
Sure! Let's go to where HE used that word shall we?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is[b] born of the Spirit[/b].
John 3:5-8 While the man wondered He went forward to tell him how this will be done:

John 3:16,18
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Before you rejoice it doesn't say you accept Him as a mere prophet! Note that!

Not only repent,
and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.Mark 1;15.

What is the Gospel?
John 3:16,18
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Interesting!!! Learn to consider all that is said about a topic in the Bible before making claims. That place you quoted is not referring to atonement for the soul through good works (Lev. 17:11), there's nothing like earning forgiveness! :
46 and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day
47 And that repentance [with a view to and as the condition of] forgiveness of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46,47

Yes and it takes true repentance (not a daily confession of sins with no genuine desire and burden to be free) and faith in Jesus for the highlighted to be possible! John 3:3 also said we need to be born again to enter the kingdom!

that's your prejudice in summary!

John 6:28,29
28 They said therefore unto him, `What may we do that we may work the works of God?'
29 Jesus answered and said to them, `This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'


John 9:35,37
35 Jesus heard that they cast him forth without, and having found him, he said to him, `Dost thou believe in the Son of God?'
37 And Jesus said to him, `Thou hast both seen him, and he who is speaking with thee is he;'



YES:
28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;
Matthew 26:28

28 even as the Son of Man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.'
Matthew 20:28 etc

In agreement with Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.

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28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;
Matthew 26:28

28 even as the Son of Man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.'
Matthew 20:28 etc

In agreement with Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.

. Now wen u are quoting the bible for me,always give me the quotes of jesus,don't give me the words of paul or historians in the bible,all I need is the words of jesus,the jhn 3:16 u quoted above as the gospel of jesus,jesus didn't even said those words,jesus never said it,now ur christian scholars called it a fabrication,so they threw it out of their bible,even the jehovah witnessess threw it out,cos its not in the acient manuscripts,jesus never said those words...so anytime u want to quote the bible to me,pls give me the words of jesus,and its very easy now to get exactly wat jesus said,most modern bible always print jesus words in red,so if u want to quote anytyn from the bible,always quote the ones in red,those are jesus words....so let's us ask jesus the most important part of the gospel,shall we?so jesus answers...mrk 12vs29"hear o isreal ur God our lord is ONE",he never said believe in a begotten son,jesus never claimed the only begotten son,NEVER,in the bible they asked jesus,how do we pray,so jesus replies "OUR FATHER,who hath in heaven.."He didn't say my father,he didn't say God beget him,ur preachers say that,rather he said,God is the father of everybody...that for u to be saved,u have to beg this Father to forgive ur sins and that u repent...repentance means to leave something totally,so in jesus message all he talked about was belive in God,repent from ur sin,be righteuous...then u will get God's kingdom...no where in the bible does jesus say I am the begotten son of God,absolutely no where,ur preachers made that up,and now ur scholars have thrown it out as a fabrication...that it wasn't seen by in acient manuscript...and yes for ur infomation,these scholars also claim to have the holy spirit,so except u want to say the holy spirit is taking u in different directions,but jesus never said beget,walah jesus would never say such a blasphemous statement...begetten is an animal act...it belongs literally to poultry animals,God never begets

malvisguy212:
Jesus message in the bible is not much ? What about the quran ? Did Jesus speak His word in the quran ? The message of Jesus can be found ONLY in the bible.

I was arguing against the claimed made in the quran, the quran claimed Jesus was given a book, which I don't believe, you are the first muslims that is denying this. Jesus was not given a book as claimed in the quran but he preach the word the father gave to Him:

John 8:38 I SPEAK that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

And Jesus did not speak His own word but the word which the father gave him:

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Mark1:14-15
» Now after John was put in prison,
Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the
gospel of the kingdom of God, and
saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the
kingdom of God is at hand. Repent,
and believe in the gospel."

Luke 4:43
» [Jesus] said to them, "I must preach
the kingdom of God to the other cities
also, because for this purpose I have
been sent."
Luke 8:1
» Now it came to pass, afterward, that
[Jesus] went through every city and
village, preaching and bringing the
glad tidings [gospel] of the kingdom of
God.

Luke 16:16-17
» The law and the prophets were until
John. Since that time the kingdom of
God has been preached, and
everyone is pressing into it. And it is
easier for heaven and earth to pass
away than for one tittle of the law to
fail. )

Matthew 24:14
» And this gospel of the kingdom will
be preached in all the world as a
witness to all the nations, and then
the end will come.

The inspired Word of God makes it
abundantly plain: The "good news" that
Jesus Christ brought was about the
Kingdom of God! The "gospel of Jesus
Christ" is simply the message of good
news that Jesus preached,not a message about Jesus. So the quran misinterpret Jesus by saying He was given a book. Thank you for your time.

. My brother,I don't know hw to tell u this,if u choose not to understand it,there's little I can do...I have explained to u the book talked about in the quran,refers to the message jesus came with,which is the gospel,injeel "and we sent in their foot step,jesus son of mary,confirming the law that had come before him,We sent him the gospel,therein was guidance and light,confirming the law that had come before him,a guidance and admonition to those who fear Allah"quran 5:46....in jhn 8;38,luke 4:43,jesus his telling u the same thing that he was sent a message by the Father,in the quran I quotes,God is telling us he send jesus a message...this message jesus was sent his called the gospel,that his wat am telling u for ages,jesus was not walking carrying a hard copy book,he was preaching a message directly from God,cos he didn't speak for himself,that is wat jesus himself said john 12vs 49"...the Father gave me commandment,what I should say and speak" he didn't utter a word of his own,everytyn he said was from God,this message of jesus was called the injeel,and it came to confirm the law of moses that came before jesus,that is why jesus said "don't think I have come to destroy the law,I have but come to fulfil it"matt 5:17 and the most important part of this message according to jesus was"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one"mark 12:29,he was preaching the message that God is one,if I should ask any christian today,their most important commandment they will 'believe in God in 3 persons,the father,the son,the holy spirit' but here someone asked jesus,jesus simply replied that God is one,he nver preached trinity in his whole life,never...this belive in the One God,is called...islam,jesus ws never a christian,and if u follow jesus teachings u can't help bt be a muslim

krattoss:
but is it our fault to doubt his existence, taking into cognissance of all the absurdities and irregularities in religion and his existence,,


IS IT OUR FAULT to find it hard to comprehend a supposed god who created us in his image and likeness?

Or is it the creators fault?

. How much I love those who use reason when it comes to religion...now from reason we know anytyn that comes from a vacuum must have a source.,every human have this tendency him then right from birth to belive in a supernatural being...their creator,every human have their belief about this creator,becose they reasoned that all this tall moutains,this cattles,the big shining lamp in the sky,all this thing perfectly made must have been arranged by something...so he rationalises and seeks a way to communicate with this creator,so he can know his purpose for life,we humans generally we easily get scared by things we don't know than things we know,so the human mind is wondering,wat happens to me wen am dead,how did I get here,who all put all this tyns there,he's seeking answers for this,so he believes someone must have put him,he believes this person is watching him from somewhere he can't know,so he looks to sky,and the best rational reason he comes up with is that,this creator must be in the uppermost world,watching him from there...now if there was a creator,he surely must not let man remain like this seeking for knowledge he doesn't have,this creator must tell him wat to do,why he was created...so the creator sends him messenger telling man,wat was required of him,telling him why he was created in the first place...

Scholar8200:
It is equally plain that the word humble was mentioned!
Since you accept Jesus' Words do you believe this:
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


It means the heart must be dealt with not just the external actions! From where you got that, did you see this:
Matthew 5:6
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
If yes, then you may ask how can a heart become pure?
and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith
Acts 15:9 Has your heart thus being purified as Cornelius' was by faith in Jesus Christ or are you just looking for points with which to argue?


What is Mohammed's role in (i) God's promise to Abraham (ii) the New Covenant?

. Of course I believe u must be spiritually born again,but what does it mean to be born again,so let's ask jesus...luke 13 vs 3"unless u repent u shall perish",mark 1vs 15,matt 6:15,jesus says,"forgive others and God will forgive u",simple and straight forward,jesus is telling for u to be born again,repent of ur sins,to earn God's forgiveness,forgive others,for u to enter the kingdom of God,he says matt 5vs 20"verily I tell u,except ur righteoness exceeds the pharises....u shall nt enter the kingdom of heaven"...simple straight forward to enter heaven u must be righteous without sin...the most important commandment of all,if I should ask christians,they will say,belive in God in three person,the father,the son and holy spirt...but let us ask jesus,his most important commandment,he say "hear o isreal ur God our lord is one"mark 12vs 29,simple plain english...but ur preachers say no,that God is three in one,they say no man cannot just repent,he must believe in the original sin,that God died for him...did jesus said that? Did he?...ur preachers are programming u,my brother deprogram urself...God says in the quran 5:75"christ the son of mary was only an apostle of God,many were the apostle that passed before,his mother was a woman of truth,they both ate daily food,see how We clear Our verses to them,but see how they are deluded from the truth"...God is telling u,don't allow ur preachers be delude u from the truth...jesus never said he was God,he never mentioned original sin,he never said I will die for ur sins...the white man brot this lies and programmed u with it,its time to deprogramme urself my brother...may Allah help u