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malvisguy212:
listen!!!
God wrote the Ten Commandments a second time (Exodus 34:1), because Moses broke the first set of stones
(Exodus 32:19; 34:1).
This 2nd set was placed into the wooden ark (Deuteronomy 10:1-5). The
Ten Commandments were written on both front and back (Exodus 32:15).
The law of Moses was copied upon stones also (Joshua 8:32; 24:26).

All what you are saying here are without scriptural backing, you are forcing your interpretation on God word, and your explanation is contradicting Allah quran, NO muslim will accept your explanation here, I wanted to say this before, but I must say it."I do not believe the quran when it say Jesus was given a book,because Jesus do not write anything as claimed in the quran, the gospel Jesus bring was about the KINGDOM of GOD , Jesus preach the kingdom,it is only David and Moses that were given the psalm and the law."

Did you say the message in the bible is not much ? You muslims are one of the bias and untruthful set of people, why are you allowing satan to manipulate you ? Read the bible and quran, which book give more details about the teaching of Jesus ? Jesus never speak for himself in the quran.

. I said the words from jesus mouth in the bible are not up to a page of a newspaper,quote me anytime...the bulk of the new testament are stories from anonymous writers...the quotes from jesus in the bible was is not up to a page of a newspaper,quote me...the quran is not a story book to start telling u how this one did that,God is not a story teller,God just make us aware of the message he came to deliver which was ,"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one"mark 12:29,jesus said that's the most important commandment...so my brother since u say jesus was carrying a book up and down while he was preaching,bring us this book of gospel jesus used and we muslims we accept it

[quote author=Scholar8200 post=37145019]What was the background to Matthew 18? Why did Jesus pick the child?
Matthew 18:1,4
1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Settled!

Was melchizedek the Word that was with Father from the Beginning? Did melchizedek accomplish any redemption?! stop being ridiculous!

Jesus did not say the Holy Spirit was not around, He referred to the Latter's role in the New Testament
John 14:17
17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you
John 14:17 He dwells with you (NOW) shall be IN you (THEN).

the jesus tells u in plain english,'unless u become like the little children' no heaven for u,and it is a known fact only the righteous enters God kingdom,so I don't get wat other story is there to argue there,again to jesus tells u how to get salvation he say"unless ur righteousness exceeds that of the pharises and the teachers,u shall not enter heaven..."Jesus is telling u except u are more righteous than priest and scholars of religion,u will never enter heaven,and how can u christians be righteous than the pharises when u don't even obey the first commandment of all that jesus gave"hear o isreal ur God our lord is ONE",u christians say no,that God is in three forms,jesus already condemned countered that,he told u God is one, I brot the issue of mechizedek,becos u christians worship jesus cos he had no father,so I was now telling u,since that's the reason of u worshipping jesus,there's a man in ur bible greater than jesus,cos this mechizedek had no father,nor a mother,no begiining no ending....God says in the quran "and for anything which we have willed,we but say the word 'be' and it is" quran 16:40...that's how God acts,anytime he willed something he only say 'be' and it is,for God to create a billion jesus without father,he just says 'be' and it is,for God to create 100 earths,he only say 'be' and it is,just like that,that's the power and majesty of God,....in john 16;17 jesus gives a prophecy about the coming of a comforter,note the word he used pls..."Very truly I tell u,it is for u Good I go away,UNLESS I go,the comforter WILL NOT come..."This is clearly stating for the person to come jesus has to go,telling u about mohammad,I mean common this is english,it can't be the holy spirit,becos the only spirit was already with jesus...this is telling u about a man coming...mohammad and if u don't accept him and his message,u reject God,and God never forgives blasphemy,

malvisguy212:
nonsense, you say the injeel and torah is not a book but are just saying, but the quran say the injeel and torah were given to Jesus and Moses as a BOOK, do you know more than Allah ? The quran encourage the Jews to judge by the torah, if the torah was not an oral message , how can they judge by it ?

. Pls bro,always try to be calm wen reading my post,am putting in plain english,in ur bible God gave moses the tablet,bt moses broke it,that tablet is the original torah,bt he broke it,so how did moses revealed God's then? He started preaching using his mouth thru revelation from God,the hard copy from God,he already broke,so all was left,were the revelations he got from God,which he relates to the children of isreal,this oral messages he administered to the children of isreal is called the torah,meaning law guiding the children of isreal,so after a while,moses died,so the jews started compiling everytyn moses had said into a hard copy book,bt the original tablet,God gave moses,moses already broke,after moses died,the jews found a different religion,called judaism...tho they styl believe in God,but it didn't follow the teachings of moses,so they started twisting the words moses had originally had said,they started formulating things while attributing it to God....the same with jesus,jesus came with a revelation from God,called the injeel.when jesus was preaching up and down the in jerusalem,was he carrying a book?,and this is wat am telling that u styl don't get,he wasn't carrying a hard copy,the revelation jesus come with is called the injeel,revealed in the quran as the book....so in this injeel and torah,they basically saying the same thing,"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one",moses said exactly those words,moses said the same thing...but after jesus had left the earth,people started writing things on their own,decieving people it was from God,the original message jesus preached,they threw it away,for example in ur bible,the words of jesus are not even up to a page of a newspaper,all we have are the words of a man called paul,who is telling u,he is from God...so God rebukes such people in quran 2:79" then woe to those who write the book with their own hands,then say'this is from God' in order to exchange it for a small price,woe to them for what they have written,and woe to them for what they earn"..........pls read and get wat I said before u reply

Scholar8200:
Did I mention guilt or nature? (Hint: Just re-read the post)

Don't read your own meanings bro, the reference to children there refers to the humble and dependent nature of children, nought of sinlessness was mentioned!

That's why Jesus was born of a virgin by the Power of the Spirit hence He came without the inherited sinful nature, just like Adam, and He only could redeem us from sin!

. I always read ur post carefully before responding,and I read it very well,how can u say jesus was not referring to the sinless nature of children,again in the bible,jesus say'bring the chridren to me,for the kingdom of God belongs to the like of them' who does heaven belong to if not the righteous servants of God,am amazed how people styl don't get simple english,u said I shouldn't read my own meanings,while actually u are doing that exact thing,by reading ur own meaning to jesus words..........so if u christian say becos jesus ws born without an earthly father,u say his father is God,and becos of that u worship him,now I have an even better man for u guys to worship in ur bible,hebrew 7:3"without father,nor mother,no geneology,without beginning of days and ending,he remains a priest for ever..."This verse is referrring to a man,called mechizedek,this man in ur bible is even greater than jesus,cos jesus had a mother,jesus had a begining,in his mother's womb,this man has no begiining,jesus died,this man didn't die,so since u christians want to worship jesus becos he has no earthly father,this man mechizedek deserves ur worship more than jesus.....in john 16vs 7,jesus say very truly I have to go,before the comforter can come...this comforter could never be the holy spirit becos the holy spirit was already with jesus (luke 4 vs1,10vs 38),from this any rational being already sees jesus was talking about someone else,who?mohammad...just like he's coming was predicted in the old testament with his name mohammad written in it........God doesn't work like that my brother,everyman will be responsible for his actions,how can God punish innocent billions for the sins of Adam,when they weren't in existence the,did Adam tell ur or me before he ate the apple,it is irrational for God to put the sins of ur father on u...

omasco92:
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth,
is come, he will guide you into all
truth: for he shall not speak of
himself; but whatsoever he shall
hear, that shall he speak: and he will
shew you things to come.
The HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD know all things. Accept and be save. REPENT NOW

. In this john 16 u jst quoted,u neglected to tell us how jesus ever mentions the holy spirit here? Jesus says in the beginning of that previous verse,' I have many things to say unto u,bt ye cannot bear them now'that is his desciples cannot understand them now,they haven't got the capacity,then he continues,'how be it when He the spirit of truth comes,he will guide u to all truth,for Him shall not speak of himself,for whatsoever thing shall he hear,he shall speak,he will tell u of things to come,he shall glorify me' what's all this he?jesus is clearly reffering to the comming of a man,that will guide mankind to all truth,8 masculine pronouns used,jesus was emphasing the coming of mohammad,the coming of a man!,this is clearly in plain english,but the christians don't listen,they said no jesus is talking about a ghost,so I ask u christians one thing,u know jesus said he styl has many things to say,bt the people aint ready to bear them,that when the spirit of truth comes he will tell them those MANY things...now answer me,if say jesus was talking about a ghost,tell me one thing the holy ghost has told you that jesus already didn't mention!,just one thing the holy ghost has told christiandom that jesus already didn't mention,just give me one,if u are indeed truthful

Now u say the jesus of the bible is different from the quran...u know my brother...I should be telling u that,in islam we believe jesus will come back again during the last days,u know if jesus was to appear then,let's say u recognise,if u were to start calling him 'jesus christ',he won't even answer u,becos that's not his name,his mother didn't name him 'jesus',his mother named him 'eisho' 'ishur' in jesus own aramaic language,which is a dialect of the arabic language,in arabic he is called 'isa',in the modern hebrew is name is translated as 'eoshua' or yeshua,so I wonder where u got 'jesus' the name 'messiah' simply means the annointed in hebrew language,in the arabic language it is called 'mesi',again how u people translated it to christ is beyond me...the hebrew and arabic are the same language with differrect dialect,the jews say shalom alaykum,the arab say salam alaykun,u can see there language is practically the same,that is becos they all speak ibrahim language,now if anyone is gettyn 'jesus' wrong,it is u the christians...jesus ddint claim the son of God for himself alone,when he tot u how to pray he said say "our father,who hath in heaven",he is telling u God is everyone's father,since he created everytyn,he doesn't mean God actually beget a son!,to beget is an animal act,and God is far above that,in the verse u quoted,when they were about stoning him,jesus said 'is not written in ur law,that I have named yee Gods' he was quoting the psalm,where God tells the children of isreal he has named them Gods,so jesus was telling them,y will stone me for saying I am a son of God,when God himself already told u he has named u Gods,but this doesn't mean they were God,it simply a meteraphorical way of saying if u are Godly u are son of God,u are Godly,same way if u are evil,they say u are a devil,or son of the devil,it doesn't mean u are God or the devil...yes jesus said is his the truth,the way and life,am asking u a question wen moses was alive who was the way? The answer is moses,every prophet in his time,his the way,the truth and life,because if u want salvation u must follow them,for the people of lot,who was the way? Of course lot,and becos they didn't follow lot,God destoryed them,for noah poeple,who was they way?the answer is noah,becos they didn't follow him,God destroyed them,same thing for mohammad,he is the last prophet,whoever doesn't follow him,God will punish the person in hell...that's salvation as it was prophesied in old testament

omasco92:
Point of correction, if it where to be me; I will not ask that man who is worshiping idol such question cos I already know how he get his power which you as a muslin don't know.

Due you know the Koran more than your Iman or whatsowever. Visit youtube and learn from your Iman that are converting to Christian every DAY because they are tired of Koran Taqiyya. you will hardly see pastor converting to Muslim. Just go and see for your self. youtube.com. Bye

. I don't have to go youtube to tell u christians coming to islam,jst last month adeboyor came to islam,I don't need an imam to tell me anything about the quran,its clear and simple to understand,so u didn't tell me wat u will ask the idol worshipper,its good to know u've run out of excuses..."And say the truth has come,and falsehood have vanished away,indeed false is ever bound to perish"...quran 17:81

OLAADEGBU:
4. Identity:

Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:24; 8:58) as well as a man. Jesus claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life. (John 14:6).

Muhammad claimed to be a man.

. It always amazes wen christians gather like this in threads and wallow in ignorance,its a pity u have the internet,the library and yet u choose to remain ignorant,insha allah I will save u the shame,u see of course mohammad said he's a man,becos he's no more than a man,we muslims don't worship mohammad,nor did he EVER say we should worship him,he was not more than a messenger of God "and mohammad is no more than messenger,other messenger have passed before him"quran 3;144....islam Is the only religion that makes it an article of faith for his believers to belive in jesus christ,u can't be a muslim if u don't belive in jesus christ,a muslim is made to believe in the miraculous birth of jesus,that he spoke while styl in infact,that he healed the blind,the leper,raised the dead,made birds out of clay drawing all with God's permission,we belive God gave him the gospel,we blieve his the messiah,meaning the anointed,translated christ,we believe in all of this,for those interested that want move away from ignorance quran 3:45 describes the birth of jesus,so the christians and the muslims all agree in this case,where we disagree is wen u christians say becos jesus had no earthly father God is his father,that's where we path ways,we say no,this man is simply a great messenger of God,not more than,he's not a partner with God,neither did he ever utter such words

malvisguy212:
@lexiconkabir
You don't have to rush and answer this question, take All you time and answer it, don't allow satan to manipulate you to war against the word of God. Thank you.

. I already wrote on how the quran confirms the torah and the injeel,u should read if first,bt seems u nt interested in watever answer we give,cos u didn't come to debate,

omasco92:
As far you are a NATURAL man you can never understand things of the spirit. You need some one to teach you. Or due you think is ordinary preach like the Koran.

1cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not
the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because
they are spiritually discerned.

. This is what amazes me about u christians,anytime u are cornered and u have no route of escape u bring the spirit,well seems u have the spirit my brother,so enlighten me on it...let me pose u a story,suppose u go to a village and u see a man worshipping idol,immediately u ask him y is he doing such a thing,wasting his time,if the man then says "u know u can't really understand it,u have to just accept it and the spirit will come on u",will u my brother not say this man is deluded....same thing u are doing to me now,u don't have a clue about where u are,the only knowledge u have is dt of ur preachers,jesus never said worshipped me,never did he,we've been on this thread for a day now,and u can't me a direct quote from jesus saying I am ur lord,jesus didn't die,he ws never crucified,God confams that in the quran.."And they say 'we killed isa messiah,son of mary,the messenger of Allah,the certainly killed him not,but it was made to appear to them so,and those who differ therein are full of doubts,they have no certain knowledge and are full of doubts,they follow nothing bt conjecture,for certainly the killed him not'quran 4-157,this verse of the quran kills the notion of the jews priding themselve in saying they killed the messenger of Allah,it also kills the notion of the christians saying he died for their sins...think for a minute brother

malvisguy212:
why do you muslims chose to lie like this? Do you know more than Allah or muhammed ? Allah say he gave Jesus a book and you are saying NO it is not a book.
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and
WRITTEN......

What does the above quranic verse indicate? The scripture are in WRITTEN material before the coming of muhammed .
Quran 4:54
Or do they envy mankind for what Allah
hath given them of his bounty? but We
had already given the people of
Abraham the BOOK AND WISDOM , and
conferred upon them a great kingdom.

Quran 4:163
….and to David We gave the Psalms

Quran 5:46
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the
Gospel: therein was guidance and light,
and confirmation of the Law that had
come before him: a guidance and an
admonition to those who fear Allah.

And this verse say the gospel that was given to Jesus is a. Book:

Quran 19:30
He [Jesus] said, "Lo, I am God's
servant; God has given me the BOOK,
and made me a Prophet."

Were is this book given to Abraham,Moses , David and Jesus ?

. Well u the christian,u claim to have the gospel of jesus,so produce it,cos all I see in ur bible is the gospel according to st mark,gospel according to luke,gospel according to john,produce for us the gospel according to jesus and we will accept it from u

[quote author=truthman2012 post=37127946]I may not continue to further talk on your questions after this. I answer you so that you would not think you are making points.

THE USE OF 'US' AND 'OUR' HERE SHOW ''TRINITY'': Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” (Gen. 1:26).

This again is the confirmation of the above verse:

For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one (I John 5:7).

JESUS WAS WORSHIPED AS A BABY:

After coming into the house
they saw the Child with Mary His
mother; and they fell to the
ground and WORSHIPED Him. Then,
opening their treasures, they
presented to Him gifts of gold,
frankincense, and myrrh (Mat. 2:11).

HEROD THE KING SAID HE WANTED TO WORSHIP JESUS:

And he sent them to Bethlehem
and said, “Go and search carefully
for the Child; and when you have
found Him, report to me, so that I
too may come and WORSHIP Him (Mat. 2:.

THE PEOPLE IN THE SHIP WORSHIPED JESUS AND HE ACCEPTED IT:

Then they that were in the ship
came and WORSHIPED him, saying,
Of a truth thou art the Son of
God (Mat. 14:33).

Jesus didn't need to tell people to worship him, the people themselves knew He deserved worship as we are doing today.
This word worship here simply means to adore someone,in the matt verse u quoted,the same herod dt wanted jesus dead will go and worship him as his God?,no this simply means he wanted to go adore this child,its a word of the jews,they use for themselves meaning to adore someone,to praise someone,never in the history of the jews did they EVER take a man as God,they were more knowledgeable than that,how can they worship a baby,never did the jews did such a thing,ask the jewish man,take it to him and ask him,this worship here,wat does it mean in his language,he will tell it means to adore someone,to shower love on someone,

now u said the use of We in bible shows God is 3,the mistake u are always making is the language which the bible ws written is hebrew,in hebrew they have two plurals,one of respect then another of number,same thing in my language yoruba,if I say to my mum "se e ti je un"if u translate to english it reads" have u all eaten" to the english he thinks am talking about more than one person,while am actually attaching a plural of respect to my mum,this is also in the language of the jew,hebrew,ask the jews,when God says we,ask the jews does it mean God is saying he is three,the jews will tell u no,this is a plural of respect to God,in quran too we have dt in arabic when God says we,ask the muslim man,does this mean God is 3,he will tell u no,this is respect,the jews never had any such knowledge of God being three,when moses already told them,"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one",jesus said the same thing,no my brother don't be confused the use of we in the bible is stating the respect towards God

Scholar8200:
Original sin refers not to acts of sin but a nature/likeness; a result of Adam's disobedience!
Adam was created , not born, and the purpose of God was that by Adam and Eve, the earth will be populated by descendants that are after Adam's likeness. After he fell to temptation, Adam was separated from God (spiritually) and those born by him came into the world in the same likeness: condition of separation from God:
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, after his image; and he named him Seth.
Genesis 5:3

What was the implication of the highlighted:

The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination and intention of all human thinking was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:5

Was that how God created Adam originally? NO

Said David:
5 Behold, I was brought forth in [a state of] iniquity; my mother was sinful who conceived me [and I too am sinful].
Psalm 50:5

That is why Jesus also came to bring an end to all that came by Adam's fall:
21 For since [it was] through a man that death [came into the world, it is] also through a Man that the resurrection of the dead [has come].
1Corinth 15:21

For just as by one man’s disobedience (failing to hear, [k]heedlessness, and carelessness) the many were constituted sinners, so by one Man’s obedience the many will be constituted righteous (made acceptable to God, brought into right standing with Him).
Romans 5:19




This is different from an inherited nature! An inherited nature that will express itself in a sinful lifestyle. Nobody can fully pay for his sins!!!
Psalm49:7
7 None of them can by any means redeem [either himself or] his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him—
Sin affects both time and Eternity and is judged in both realms! So whatever repercussions we suffer for sin on earth does not atone for our sins:
It is blood that makes atonement for the soul!



That is why apart from forgiveness, The Redemption accomplished by Christ is particularly directed towards transformation of the nature of man:
And He made no difference between us and them, but cleansed their hearts by faith ([d]by a strong and welcome conviction that Jesus is the Messiah, through Whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God).
Acts 15:9

25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the plate, but within they are full of extortion (prey, spoil, plunder) and grasping self-indulgence.
26 You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and of the plate, so that the outside may be clean also.
Matthew 23:25,26
Vs 25 describes that which religion does for you- whitewashes the external only while the heart/nature remains the same!
The highlighted describes what God does for those who seek Him for it , being one of the greatest blessing in the New Covenant ratified through Jesus Christ!

. From ur right up what it seems u are saying is that all man including a new born baby who know nothing is guilty of sins,simply becos Adam sinned,so becos of something he didn't do,God will punish him,and so to redeem him God kills and innocent man for his inherited sins,so according to ur believe God punishes u for a sin u didnt commit,so after God punished adam and Eve,he will styl ask u for the sins they committed,how can u reason like that,so let's ask jesus if man was born a sinner? Jesus says matt 18 :5"I tell u the truth,unless u change and become like little children,u will never enter the kingdom of God"jesus is telling u unless u become as innocent of sins as children u will never make heaven,he's clearly telling man was born sinless,I don't know y jesus says something,and u people unbelivably understands the opposite,this is english 4 God sake,God says in the quran 35:18"and no bearer of burden shall bear another burden,and if one laid with burden werre to call another,nothing of it will be lifted even if he were to be of kin". God is not unjust my friend,he already gave u free willl,watver u do with that,its u and only u He will question,not ur son,not ur dad

Now am begining to question ur knowledge of the bible,how can u tell me to prove that john 3:16 was jesus words,pls try and learn more about ur bible then.in john 10 that u quoted jesus saying he and father are one,I already stated the context bt u said no,it means God and jesus are equal,so let's take another verse of the bible,in the same john,17:21,jesus talking about his followers he says..."That all of them maybe one,father just like u are in me,so that they maybe one in us..."Now I guess with ur logic of john 10,this verse clearly means the desciples and,jesus and God are the same and equal, now I guess the jehovah witness are anti christ,....how is it different,am explaining to u dt lord in hebrew doesn't always mean God,it also means master,rabbi,priest,but u said no it means God,now I show u a place sarah refers to abraham as lord,u are saying she doesn't mean God,y are u then saying the man was referring to jesus as God,the word worship there means he adored him,like we say everytyime in plain english,I can say I worship my mom,dt doesn't mean I take as my lord it simply means I adore her and love her, again u say I should prove luke 24 and john is nt Jesus words,I direct u back to study ur bible and check it,I hope u using the king james version,the words of jesus are mostly in red there,so check it urself it that quote ws in red,God already told us what jesus taught in the quran,quran 19:28 after people accused his mary of giving birth to a illegitimate son,mary points to jesus,and this his the first miracle of jesus,so jesus defends his mother speaking as an infact"I am indeed servant of allah,he has given me the book and made me a prophet and made me blessed whoreover I be,and He has enjoined one me prayer and alms giving as long as I live and made me dutiful to her who bore me and hath not made me arrogant and unblest..."So in here we clearly see the message jesus came with in the quran...this was the message he came with,he like other prophets can never say anything of their own will,so when u christians worship him,we muslims simply beg u to stop lies against this man,so my friend show me where jesus says "I am ur lord,worship me"

Scholar8200:
I did not say that! You actually do not realise that the judgement for sin was death (in Eden) and still remains death today! Hence:

But we are able to see Jesus ... crowned with glory and honor because of His having suffered death, in order that by the grace (unmerited favor) of God [to us sinners] He might experience death for every individual person.
Hebrews 2:9

All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has made to light upon Him the guilt and iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:6

Said Jesus:

For even the Son of Man came not to have service rendered to Him, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for ([y]instead of) many.
Mark 10:45

. U styl not giving me wat I need,pls my brother reason with me,where did jesus mention original sin,cos I know that's where u are leaning,did Adam and eve tell u or me or my mother before eating 4rm the forbiden tree?no they didn't,why will God then punish u for a sin u no nothing about,this concept of original sin ws brot out from by preachers to programme,jesus didn't say,none of the prophet said it...so adam and eve eats from the tree,God causes them,dt adam from now on u will sweat for bread,so 2day man is always sweating under the sun looking for a way to survive,the woman God curses her too,from now on,in pain and pain will u suffer to give birth,from their on,women give birth in pain,some die even,and yet God styl throws them out of eden,am asking u,is this punishement not enuff?,why would God blame u for something u didn't do,sumtyn u know notyn about,that's not God nature,ezekiel 18:20 the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father,nor the father the son...this is how God works,wen u sin God makes u pay for it nt and innocent person,not ur dad,don't let ur preacher cloud u,think by urself my brother,how can God punish u for sins committed before u existed,then he will now scarifice an innocent man for the sins u didn't commit...is that a show of mercy,blaming u for sins u didn't commit,then killing an innocent soul to pay for the sins,haba my brother don't let the white man lead u to astray...

malvisguy212:
English dictionary's defined scripture as bible, your defence is weak. Okay, where is the book Allah referred muhammed to ? Allah continuous making reference to this book indicate how holy this book is, allah will not referee muhammed to a none existence book. Where is the book?

. Seems u didn't bother reading my post,that's y u styl asking this questions,I already told u moses came with a message called the torah,david came with a message called the psalms,jesus came with the message called injeel,I was jst trying to correct u,becos no prophet came with anytyn called the bible,the bible word was gotten for greek word called biblos.moses message was lost wen he broke the tablet,meaning all dt was left were the words he spoke to the jews,In my earlier post I told u,this jews after moses died,started changing it to please their new religion...judaism,moses never preached judaism,if u should wake moses up today and ask him,o moses wats was ur religion he wouldn't say judaism,rather he will say my religion is the one in which I submit my self to God's will...one word for that in arabic is islam...when jesus was alive also,wen he was preaching to the multitude,was he carryiing a book to read from?of course not,it was his sayings...those sayings is what is called the injeel,and if u were to check the bible the words of jesus in it...are so small it can't fill the a page of a newspaper,the bulk of the new testament are the words of a self appointed prophet,a man called paul,who never even met jesus,paul brot out christianity after jesus died,jst like the jews brot judaism afta moses,if jesus was to be alive today and we ask him,o jesus wats ur religion he won't say christianity cos he never even heard the word rather he will say my religion is the one in which I surrender myself to God's will,for example wen he ws being pursued he cried unto God,God let this pass by me,but let their will be done,in the prayer also he said our father who hath in heaven....let their will be done on earth as its in heaven...so u see from here jesus religion is the religion in which he surrender hiimself to God will...one literal word for that in arabic is islam...and the person that surrenders himself or herself is called a muslim.... Mohammad didn't say jesus was nt the son of God,but I am the son of God,mohammad didn't say don't worship jesus,worship me,he only came to deliver the message God sent him,by reminding man that he should serve God directly,by not associating partners with,becos this is blasphemy,and we both agree God never forgives that

malvisguy212:
trash. Weak defence.

. I wasn't defending anything,becos u clearly didn't attack me with anything worth defending

Scholar8200 post=3712sought Him! For example:
And behold, a leper came up to Him and, prostrating himself, [size=13pt:
worshiped Him[/size], saying, Lord, if You are willing, You are able to [a]cleanse me by curing me.
3 And He reached out His hand and touched him, saying, I am willing; be cleansed by being cured. And instantly his leprosy was cured and cleansed.
Matthew 8:2,3

and why are you by your words calling God a liar?!

'christian scholars wrote the NIV'!!! I wonder why you are quick to refer to them when they do something that agrees with your claim! Meanwhile I hope you realise that the true believer in Jesus knows this:
But also [in those days] there arose false prophets among the people, just as there will be [b]false teachers among yourselves, who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies), even denying and disowning the Master Who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

God bless you greatly for this blessed admonition! Now explain what these mean:
And now, Father, glorify Me along with Yourself and restore Me to such majesty and honor in Your presence as I had with You before the world existed.
John 17:5

And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man [Himself], Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven.
John 3:13


Then Who said this:

45 Then He [thoroughly] opened up their minds to understand the Scriptures,
46 And said to them, [b]Thus it is written that the Christ (the Messiah) should suffer and on the third day rise from ([l] among) the dead,
47 And that repentance [with a view to and as the condition of] forgiveness of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:45-47


As per the highlighted, shall we ask Moses how Animal substitutionary sacrifice dealt with sin and guilt of the sinner and why it was said that:

11 For the life... is in the blood, and I have given it for you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life [which it represents].Leviticus 17:11

. So God stopped the use of animal to start the use of human blood? Is that what u are saying?so God takes an innocent man,and kills him for a crime he didn't commit,all to pleasure himself in blood thirst?subhana allah,is this what ur merciful God does,my brother reprogramme urself and think for a minute... Now ur john 3:16 u quoted,was it jesus that uttered those words? Of course not,he didn't utter it,I said show me where jesus said he is God,english bro,where jesus SAID he is God,all u could do is quote ur historian again...now the john 3;16 u quoted is not even in the bible ur christian scholars wrote,they threw the word out,u can't even quote jesus who u worship,where he said worship me,no where in ur bible can quote and yet u claim to follow him. In the person that called jesus lord,u clearly don't understand the language in which bible was written,hebrew,this people also used lord in place of master,rabbi,priest,for example in ur bible sarah adressed abraham as lord,was she worshipping him,of course no,so they use lord also for master. Now ur other proof u are claiming jesus did miracles of his own,so let's ask jesus whether he did anything of his own?"I can of myself do nothing"john 5:30,he has no pewer except the power God gave him,and anytime he does any miracle he gives glory to God,where did this great prophet of God say am God ? I definitely didn't write the bible,ur scholars did those jobs themselves,they say it was insult to God so they threw out. Again in john 13 u quoted and in the luke 24:45 u mentioned,was it jesus saying all those things?absolutely not,it's the words of hear say and historians,jesus didn't say those words,don't make it like his,I ask for a simple thing,quote where jesus SAID"I am God,worship me"if u can give me that,I will be a christian today,cos I know prophets of God don't lie,and we muslims know jesus will never tell a lie,give me the quotes,and in a thousand years on earth u won't get it,cos jesus will never utter such blasphemous words,follow what jesus preached and u are a muslim

Scholar8200:
Prove it!!!

Oh yes He did! John 3:16

But He accepted the worship of those who sought Him! For example:
And behold, a leper came up to Him and, prostrating himself, [size=13pt]worshiped Him[/size], saying, Lord, if You are willing, You are able to [a]cleanse me by curing me.
3 And He reached out His hand and touched him, saying, I am willing; be cleansed by being cured. And instantly his leprosy was cured and cleansed.
Matthew 8:2,3

and why are you by your words calling God a liar?!

'christian scholars wrote the NIV'!!! I wonder why you are quick to refer to them when they do something that agrees with your claim! Meanwhile I hope you realise that the true believer in Jesus knows this:
But also [in those days] there arose false prophets among the people, just as there will be [b]false teachers among yourselves, who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies), even denying and disowning the Master Who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

God bless you greatly for this blessed admonition! Now explain what these mean:
And now, Father, glorify Me along with Yourself and restore Me to such majesty and honor in Your presence as I had with You before the world existed.
John 17:5

And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man [Himself], Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven.
John 3:13


Then Who said this:

45 Then He [thoroughly] opened up their minds to understand the Scriptures,
46 And said to them, [b]Thus it is written that the Christ (the Messiah) should suffer and on the third day rise from ([l] among) the dead,
47 And that repentance [with a view to and as the condition of] forgiveness of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:45-47


As per the highlighted, shall we ask Moses how Animal substitutionary sacrifice dealt with sin and guilt of the sinner and why it was said that:

11 For the life... is in the blood, and I have given it for you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life [which it represents].Leviticus 17:11

. So God stopped the use of animal to start the use of human blood? Is that what u are saying?so God takes an innocent man,and kills him for a crime he didn't commit,all to pleasure himself in blood thirst?subhana allah,is this what ur merciful God does,my brother reprogramme urself and think for a minute...

Annunaki:
https://www.nairaland.com/2511448/contradictions-quran

. When the trumpet will blow one blast,I think this is simple english,it didn't say the only blast,it said one blast meaning the first blast,the quran was revealed in arabic,thera are some words,u can only find the nearest in meaning to english,it doesn't say the only blast it said one blast meaning the first blast...now the verse u quoted said the jews and the christians who belived in allah"this verse was directed to tell people that whoeever of the jews that died following the message of prophets will be rewarded by allah,so they must belive in moses,and after moses died,jesus came the must follow him,so for the christians that followed the teachings of jesus also,Allah will reward them,and what did moses and jesus preched...islam...believe in one word,the first commandment moses gave was "hear o isreal ur God our lord is one"deut 6:4,thousands of years later jesus preached the same message,the pharises came to ask him,jesus what's the first commandment of all,so jesus says"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one"mrk 12;29,so they are preaching the same thing so if u believe in jesus and follow his monotheism message,then allah rewards u,so u can follow one and reject one,as one prophet goes another came,so u must accept all the prophet dt allah sent,600 years after jesus,prophet mohammad came,so some missionaries asked him,what's ur first commandment,so allah reveals to him"say he is allah,the one and only..."U can see moses,jesus,mohammad all saying the same thing,none of the prophet could ever say they are God,or that their followers should worship them,never could jesus have said so,rather he's always saying my father is greater than all,I by myself can do nothing..he was always attributing all praises to Allah,where did jesus say worship me,no where in ur bible,I challenge u to produce it to me if u indeed follow jesus christ,give me a verse

malvisguy212:
In the United States,and the west, freedom of religion is a constitutionally guaranteed right provided in religion clauses of the First Amendment.
Freedom of religion is also closely associated with separation of church and state, a concept advocated by Thomas Jefferson.

The amendment prohibits the making of
any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion.

LET US SEE WHAT FREEDOM OF RELIGION MEANS TO ISLAM:
To Muslims, freedom of religion means
practicing Islam only. This means, Muslims are obligated by the Quran (2:193, 8:39 etc.) to destroy all other religions – Christianity,Judaism, Mormonism, Hinduism and others – by
whatever means necessary for establishing Islam as the only religion in the whole world.

Freedom of religion in the Western democratic world is aimed at protecting the rights and dignity of different religious communities, so that they can practice their respective religious rites and rituals without fear and interference.

However, religious freedom to Muslims that is, allowing them to practice what they are obligated to by the holy book – means allowing them the right to establishment Islam as the state religion, murdering and subjugating
infidels (9:5, 9:29), murdering apostates,
dhimmitude for Christians and Jews, enslaving and raping of kafir women and children, subjugation and repression of Muslim women, extermination of unbelievers, killing the critics/ blasphemers of Islam, and most of all, for America and all other democratic countries , destroying her constitution with its imbedded freedom and democracy, and replacing it with
Sharia Law. These are all demanded of Muslims by their sacred texts, namely the Quran and Ahadith (Sunnah). We can see all or most of these happening in Islamic heavens like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Eqyot, Somalia, Saudi
Arabia, Iran and even Turkey and all other Islamic countries.

As per the Quran and Sunnah, following are Muslims’ religious obligations, therefore, their religious right, and America must allow them act accordingly as per their constitutional right to freedom of religion as Romney has promised:

God has granted Muslim men the divine right to unleash jihad – the Islamic holy war to conquer all kafir nations and force them to submit to Islam. There are 164 Quranic teachings of
Jihad. (Quran 29.6, 29.53, 22.52)

God has granted Muslim men the divine right marry and have sex with to pre-Pubescent children, which is deemed abhorrent rape of minors or pedophilia (65:4)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to polygamy (4.3)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to gang rape infidel women (24:13)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to sex slavery (4:24)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to torturing non-Muslims (22.19-22)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to whipping fornicators (24.2)
God has granted Muslim men right to
amputation and crucifixion (5:33)

Under Sharia Law, there is no freedom of religion, speech, thought, press and artistic expression; no equality of peoples – a non-Muslim, a Kafir, is never equal to a Muslim;no equal rights for women;women can be beaten by the husbands; non-Muslims are dhimmis,
third-class citizens; there is no equal protection under Sharia for different classes of people with one set of laws for Muslim males and different laws for women and non-Muslims. Death is the
punishment for apostasy, homosexuality, mocking anything in the Qur'an or the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammad, criticizing Islam, shari'ah law or the Sunnah of the prophet
Muhammad. Muslims, who states a preference for democracy to shari'ah law or questions anything in the Qur'an or Sunnah, is a kafir (disbeliever) and apostate, liable to punishment to death. Punishment for theft is amputation of
the right hand up to the elbow. The penalty for premarital sexual intercourse is 100 lashes with a whip and one year of exile. The penalty for
adultery is death by stoning.

. And where in egypt saudi arabia,pakistan e.t.c do they kill and rape women,have u ever heard christians say they are being killed in those country,pls let's talk with knowledge,this is a forum,and u are meant to come here with facts not lies or to get quick minutes fame,pls try come up with something worth presenting in public,that u can stand on.

truthman2012:
The quran is a bundle of LIES woven together.

Allah said the Jews and Christians corrupted their Scriptures yet he told Muhammad to tell them to be making use of them. CONTRADICTIONS.

ALLAH SAID TORAH WAS TO BE USED AT MUHAMMAD'S TIME: How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43).

ALLAH SAID GOSPEL WAS TO BE USED AT MUHAMMAD'S TIME: Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47).

At what time were they corrupted?

. Now I can help u when u clearly came here not do debate but u came with a heart not ready to listen,I already answered ur questions,but here u are begging the question,so since it seems u don't know wat to say again,maybe u can't provide me the answer to a simple question,can u provide me a verse in the bible where jesus said worship me or dt he will die for the sins of man?,and after that pls can u give me the verse in the bible where God says he is three in one or where abraham,moses and the rest worshipped jesus?ur responds will be deeply appreciated in time

Scholar8200:
It's alright, as believers and disciples of Christ we know all books in the Bible complement each hence the screening of any portion thus accused is done in the light of what other books and passages in the Bible says.

Just as there were false prophets there were false scribes too but God preserved His Word!
Psalm 12:6,7a
6 The words and promises of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in an earthen furnace, purified seven times over.
7 You will keep them and preserve them, O Lord;
Corollary? God was, is and will always Preserve His Word!!

also
Isaiah 34:16
16 Seek out of the book of the Lord and read: not one of these [details of prophecy] shall fail, none shall want and lack her mate [in fulfillment]. For the mouth [of the Lord] has commanded, and His Spirit has gathered them.

That's left to them! Point we should be concerned about is Truth and agreement with God's purposes and prophecies! Besides have you heard of people going to Bible 'seminaries' and coming out confused, deluded and at the brink? It's because we have 'bible scholars' who are actually working for their master- the one that twisted the Word to Eve. Truth has its enemy and there must be tracks of his frantic efforts on all sides!

It does not say the same thing. I am surprised that to you, Believe=not sure!!!
Believe=to accept or regard (something) as true

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/believe
It is to be persuaded and the same Paul ministered the same blessing to others!

You just re-echoed what the unbelieving jews wrongly accused Paul of! His emphasis was that salvation through Christ was not a result of circumcision but faith (Paul himself was circumcised) Meaning no one get's saved by circumcision but by faith! Many christians still circumcise their kids today not because they hope that saves them but because of the health benefits!


Whereas paul too was circumcised but the bone of contention arose when some people, in seeking relevance, tried to corrupt the Gospel in Acts 15:1!
But some men came down from Judea and were instructing the brethren, Unless you are circumcised in accordance with the Mosaic custom, you cannot be saved.
Even Jesus never enjoined anyone to seek salvation by being circumcised:
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([d]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life
John 3:16
Recall that the audience Jesus spoke to here was a high-ranking Pharisee and ruler among the jews and He emphasized believing on Him as the only way of Salvation!

. I wonder y u people say u follow christ,becos u doing exactly opposite of wat he tot,the verse u quoted above me is not a quote of jesus,jesus never ever said he was the begotten son of God,he never said worshipped me,y are u people putting lies on this great man of God by accusing him of blasphemy,this verse of the bible was thrown out by the christian scholars who wrote the NIV,the said it was an invention so they threw,it wasn't arabs or jews that did it,it was ur christian scholars,and the in the footnote of that bible,they said the verse was a fabrication,that it could not be found in the old manuscripts,the jehovah witness also throw this verse of the trinity out of their bible,they said it was a fabrication,so the two main bedrock of christiandom were thrown out of these bibles by christian scholars who said its a fabrication,its amazing,jesus never said worship,nor did he say he was God incarnate,read ur bible its in plain english,read what jesus said,he never said he will die for ur sins,never did he say so,but ur preachers are using it to programme u,u see becos the white man can go to the moon,becos he predict the weather,becos of his sophiscated technology,u all now believe he must be always right,so when the white man tells u someone already died for ur sins,u don't bother asking him how,how can someone take paractemol for ur headache,u can't even ask him if this was merciful to kill an innocent man for the sin of the world,when the man in question never he mentioned such...its a shame to see african become so programmed

truthman2012:
Firstly, this issue of Muhammad marrying his adopted son's wife is just one of the questions, what about the others? Why are you silent on them?

1. What made Zaid (the adopted son) divorce Zynab before Muhammad married her? Give authentic hadith, which was the words and deed of Muhammad and not the opinion of an islamic cleric that has no authoritave backing. I believe Zaid was forced to divorce his wife for Muhammad to marry.

2. Which prophets of old married the divorced wives of their adopted sons that allah was referring to as stated in the OP?

3. Which prophets before Muhammad satan cast his words into their mouths, which they declared to the people before God came in to cancel them as asked in the OP?

When allah knew he was going to cancel children adoption, why did he say it was no more a sin for muslims to marry the wives of their adopted sons? Did he not know he would cancel it?

Please answer the questions directly and not irrelevant talks. I have to repeat the questions because I suspect cover-up and avoidance.

. To answer ur first question God revealed to mohammad that his adopted son will divorce his wife,that was a prophecy,and when this happens he will marry the woman,but the prophet was shy of saying that to his son,this was neccessarily so people to know the law,now for ur second questions,it simply said it was acceptable to do in the past,and God is now saying its styl acceptable,becos His law never changes,its like saying a muslim can marry up to four wives,u can do it if u want to,but its not a must,there are muslims with one,two,wives,but four is allowed,that is if u deem it fit to have,its not a sin on u,and God is saying it wasn't a sin on the people of old that passed,so it won't be a sin now,so for the people to have no doubt,God told the prophet he will marry his adopted son wife,after he divorced her,now for ur third question...I hope u understand english my bro,cos there's no where did it state satan cast words in their mouth,when the prophets made any revelation to the people,satan tries to add lies by decievig the people from the path,like when moses told the children of isreal to worship God only,but satan add lies to it by telling them the calf was their lord and moses lord,that moses already forgot his lord,so God makes his truth prevail,by making moses burn the calf,and ordering the person responsible killed,so the truth of God always prevails,now ur forth questions,in islam one of the most rewarding deed of a believer is adoption,it is highly adviced,there's now where in any verse of the quran or hadith where adoption is prohibited,prophet says in the hadith"whoever takes care of the orphan will be like close with him,like two pair of finger" so I repeat islam totally supports adoption

Annunaki:
And clearly the fruits of mohamed(terrorism, paedophilia, sex slave raping, stealing, killing, incest. Philandering) are evil and that makes him a false prophet. That said the quoran is the most poorly written sick piece of literature on the surface of this earth. It is full of errors, contradictions and it inspires hatred. Another evidence that mohamed is a monumental fraud.

. I tot this is a debate,anyways,mentions the contradictions in the quran,give me one contradiction,we all know the many contradictions in the bible,that will take a whole new thread to list,bt give me one contradiction in the quran,u can't,where is the error in the quran,all this things u mentioned above takes place more in any christian country than muslim country,compare the rape in US or europe to any arab country,where have u ever heard incest in muslim word,I can give a lot more in ur bible where incest take place,seems u more suited for a boxing fight than a proper debate,when u are ready to have u can make up a reasonable thread,then I'll reply u

malvisguy212:
you are trying to twist it here, the quran say .Let’s review the evidence of what the QURAN says about Jesus and the Bible:

The QURAN says the BIBLE IS GOD'S
PREVIOUS WORD TO MAN meaning contrary to your claimed,the bible is unchanged during the time of muhammed because God cannot ask you to search for guidance from a corrupted scripture:
Surah 2:136
Say, [O believers], "We have believed in
Allah and what has been revealed to us
and what has been revealed to
Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and
Jacob and the Descendants and what
was given to Moses and Jesus and
what was given to the prophets from
their Lord . We make no distinction
between any of them, and we are
Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Surah4:163
"Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O
Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah
and the prophets after him. And we
revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac,
Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job,
Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to
David We gave the book [of Psalms]

And the Quran also says that NO ONE
CAN CHANGE GOD'S WORD (Sura 6:115;

"And the word of your Lord has been
fulfilled in truth and in justice. NONE CAN ALTER HIS WORDS, and He is the Hearing,
the Knowing."

Every sane man will know what's this all about, an ominipotent Allah will not direct you to a corrupted book OR reffere you to a book that cannot be found. But if you guys insist the bible is corrupted, when did this happened ? Before muhammed had die or After ?

. The quran never at any time mentioned the bible,no prophet was given anything called bible,u christian brought the word bible from greek word biblos meaning book,then u add holy,so the word bible is a man concorted term,have explained to u dt God gave moses a revelation called torah,meaning law in hebrew,prophet david was given the psalms,prophet jesus was given the injeel,the christians add this all up in a book,and call it the bible,but u find in the bible that moses didn't write the chapters of numbers,levitucs,exodus,but u find in the bible that this chapters weren't written by God or moses,cos u will always find"and God said unto moses,and moses said unto God"this is simply telling us dt neither moses or God wrote the book,if it were from God or moses,it will have been "I said unto moses,or I said unto God"but u don't find this there,meaning this were words of another person,probably an historian or eyewitness account,its not the word of God,the message of moses we believe were the preaching of moses...which was worship"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one"deut 6vs 4-9,u can see the emphasis on one there,one in hebrew language is echad,in arabic ahad,that message is islam...belive in the one God...thousands of years later some pharises comes to jesus while preaching the gospel,pharises means the learned men of religion,so the ask jesus what is the first commandment of all,if u were to ask christians today their first commandment they will tell u...God in three forms,the father,the son,the holy spirit...but the answer jesus gave was amazing he said"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one"mark 12;29 its amazing jesus repeating the exact words of moses thousands of years ago...this is jesus confirming the message of moses,telling all the prophets have one message the believe in one God...islam....so 600 years latter in medina a group of christian missionaries came to question the prophet mohammad,so the ask him what is his view about God,so the prophet started praying to God for what to say,so God commands to say"qul huwa allahu ahad,allahu sama,lam yalid wa lam yalad, wa lam yaalid lahu kufuwan ahad"meaning"say is he the one and only,allah the eternal,absolute,he neither beget nor was he begotten and there is none like unto him"quran 112,its amazing moses said echad meaning God is one,jesus said echad God is one,mohammad said ahad,God is one...they all saying the same thing God is one...but the christians says no,God is three in one...so this prophets never said that,its ur preacher that are saying that...but to sell it they needed to put in the bible,so the put it in the book of john so they use to brainwash people,but moses never said so,jesus never said so,abraham never said,God never said so...so the put in there and sell it for u innocent victims,so my brother the quran came to confirm the message of the scripture telling us God is one...

lexiconkabir:
@bolded i opened the thread and i am not a christian, could you modify you post? Salamualaikum

. Walaikum salam,sorry about dt typo error

jcross19:
are you sure? Is that an embarrassment? Am only trying to explain what he/she did not understand and you took it as an embarrassment.!!!!!! Well truth is bitter than bitter leaf. Okay then tell your imam and your scholars to stop calling christians names in their public teachings.

. U didn't say any bitter truth for me to swallow,ur fellow christian open this thread in the hope of arguing with the muslims,and u can't even say anytyn worth a respond...the person u claim to worship,doesn't even knows he's been worshipped,never he even claimed God,show me in ur bible where jesus states am a God worship me,no where,why are u tarnishing this man preaching and saying by claiming him to be wat he didn't even say he was...show me anywhere jesus said dt worship me

malvisguy212:
you muslims are one of the most bias and deluded seth of people ( sorry) where you there when the Jews throw out the original scripture ? Where is your prove ?
Quran 7:157
Those who follow the Messenger
(Mohammed), the Prophet who can
neither read nor write, whom they
will find described in the Torah and
the Gospel (which are) with them
Quran2:89
And when there cometh unto them
(Jews) a Scripture (the Qur'an) from
Allah, confirming that in their
possession

If what you wrote is true, why will Allah ask muhammed to make confirmation from a corrupted book which the Jews twist ? Did Allah not known that the Jews had corrupted the torah before asking muhammed to STILL make confirmation
In it ? Infacte
This verse exposed your lies:
Quran 5:43
How come they (come) unto thee
(Muhammad) for judgment when
they have the TORAH, wherein Allah
hath delivered JUDGMENT (FOR THEM)?

The interval between Jesus and
Muhammad was about 650 years. If the torah is corrupted as you claimed, why will Allah encourage the Jews to judge by the torah given to them ?

All what you wrote can be say of the quran, when was the quran compiled ? Is it not after the death of muhammed ? How can you sure the scribe did not make mistake in the quran ?

. U are throwing stones in all my direction, I don't even know which to attend to,I jst answered ur questions above,allah say a book confirming what is in their hands,that is confirming the message of the prophet of old,their message was simple,worship one God,so the quran was confirming,u see in the time of the mohammad there was a major sickness then,the jews and the christians in medina where @ each other throat,becos of jesus,so the quran confirms jesus,moses and other prophets,.the torah was the sharia of the jews,bt affter moses,they started adhering to some part,while ignoring other part,for example in the torah clearly states don't steal or lie,but the jews felt its nt a sin if do any of this against the gentiles...gentiles are non jewish,that is the rest of the world...so the quran is referring him them to follow the law with them to latter...the quran was written in the lifetime of the prophet,may allah blessing be upon him,under his strict supervision,so anytime he recites a new revelation to them,they write he down,then he tells them to recite wat the've written,that's hw the quran was compiled,u can styl see the sample today in the museum at instabul,no even a change in one word,so if am reading the quran in naija,and another person is reading the quran in denmark,we are styl reading the exact same revelation revealed to the prophet 1400 years ago...

jcross19:
okay what will happen between a father that believes in idol worshipping and a son that believe in jesus? Are they going to be in peace? Use your common sense now to comprehend what jesus meant by that statement. Please can you please state a verse in the bible that says jesus led a battle with sword or campaign with an horsemen and swords men like mohamMAD? Even your book call him the best of mankind.......let me tell you one thing!!!.can you still remember the ayat says jesus used clay to fashion a bird and breath into it and the clay became a lively bird? To you what does that mean? Who can give life? Why jesus has the authority to give life if is not supreme than allah himself even your book claimed that he still alive till now. JESUS I throw away salute ooo!!!!!!!!.

. Someone was trying to explain a point to u as simple as he could,and all u could do is throw insults at him,u are simply embarrassing ur religion,I hope its nt ur religion teaching u this,learn to speak in public,and if u can't pls I beg u,lean not to embarrass urself

basilico:
For those Muslims who believe that Muhammad split the moon into two.
Why did he have to perform a bombastic miracle to benefit his status? What was more important to the ordinary Arabs? Him healing the sick, raising the dead or splitting the moon into two?

. U see this ur problem u ask for miracles,but I ask u back this,is miracles the criterion for true righteousness? The answer is absolute no,who said so?,jesus said in matt chapter 24,for many false prophets with great miracles and signs,if possible to deceive the very elect,that is this false prophet can decieve even the most learned person,so miracles is not a criterion for righteousness according to jesus,so they asked him,how can we know the real ones so he said by their fruit ye shall know them,u see the hindus perform miracles,the babalawos perform miracles,but the pagan in the time of mohammad ws also asking for miracles,but God already gave us a miracle His direct words unchanged...al quran,that is the miracle of miracles and has stood the test of man and science for 1400 years

malvisguy212:
I challenge ALL muslims to answer the following questions, if properly answered, you will discovered soo many lies has been told against God word:

1. At what point did the people corrupted the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE islam, during Muhammad's time of AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah refer Muhammad to something that is non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how was he able to receive the revelation that the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow man throw away His words before He would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make confirmation of the corrupted scripture(injeel and torah) ?

. Insha allah,have already answered ur questions in the thread created for it