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toba: 10000000000 likes.

These days, when im less busy with real issues and have little time for NL, i hardly engage atheists in argument cos its worthless. Some have been placed on my ignore list

Good soldiers of christ run away from atheists. This is a direct disobedience of your master that instructed you to preach the gospel to all people.

all4naija: Lol... What is Satanist? Who is Satan?

Read the bible or ask a priest

traeces: you want evidence that God exists? If yes then very good. Sit down and gather every material you can on your brain. read it up and come back here to tell your thoughts on how all you'll find out came to be. We should take it from there.

So you want him to go and find evidence himself to prove your assertion?

traeces: logicboy03, From someone like you who has guts to direct every kind of insult against God, I will not permit myself to feel insulted.

Why would you feel insulted? Are you god?

toba: ignorance and frustration

as opposed to repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Evil Brain: @advocate666

You're missing the point. Your pictures are irrelevant because the I was comparing the diversity of climates not the size of the continents. In any case, I hope you're not suggesting that Africa is bigger than Eurasia (hint: its not!).



Africa's long north-south axis is a disadvantage. Plus the variety of climates is nowhere close to Eurasia's.
The east-west distance is far smaller than Eurasia's. Read my original link again, including all the subsequent pages. It seems you don't understand yet.

I really don't understand you here. You said that size was irrelevant but then went ahead and stressed upon the diagonal size of Eurasia. It is either it is not important and we forget about size or it is important and we compare. Look at those maps again. There are enough width in both continents to effectuate the changes you assert. I assert again, that Africa has more variety in climate than eurasia. But I don't think we could agree on this so let it be.

Evil Brain: Like I said before, not enough time has passed for Eurasians to evolve to the degree you're suggesting. Also, your "harsh European climate" theory falls down for 2 reasons.
1. Eurasians left Africa 120,000 to 60,000 years ago but have only been farming for 12,000 years. If the European winter was so bad; what do you think they were eating for the first 50-100,000 years? The truth is that there plenty of food in Europe, even in the winter. They could hunt animals, dig up roots, eat bugs, fish, etc. And those who couldn't find any food simply moved south as the weather changed. No need to store anything, and no evidence that they did before the neolithic revolution. That's what hunting/gathering is all about.
2. Have you ever been to Europe? I don't know where you're getting this harsh weather idea from, but the weather in large parts of it is lovely. There is a wide belt with temperate, beautiful, sunny weather stretching all the way from Portugal to Japan, more than 3 times Africa's widest diameter (which happens to be where inhospitable the Sahara desert is). The winter is southern Spain is like AC weather. Meanwhile, unless you live in South Africa or the north african coast, here you only have a choice between crazy hot weather, and sahara desert.

Your first statement shows that you have limited knowledge on the process of evolution. Please not that it is not relative to time. That is, a population can take 2 million years to mutate into a new type, while this same population, in a different environment, may take only 20 years to effectuate the same evolution.
Early europeans processed their food by drying them in the summer and eating them in the winter.

You are also being biassed (towards Africans?) by saying that it's long north-south axis is a disadvantage while suggesting that that of europe is an advantage to them.

Evil Brain: Wrong. We know in fairly fine detail where most plants and animals originated, where they where first domesticated, and where they've been since then. Like I said, the science behind this is rock solid. Also I know that the Fulani's weren't herding cows 11,000 years ago because there were no cows to herd back then. And there were no Fulani's as we know now them. Take your time to think about how big a number 11,000 is for a while. Ancient Egypt was 4000 years ago. We are talking about 7,000 years before that!

@bolded, the same way we know that River Niger was only discovered in 1790, because there was no river to discover previously.

When it comes to justifying your shaky stance, 11000 years becomes a big number for Fulanis to exist but 100000 years is not big enough for the european to evolve. Who is hating his own people now?

About your rock solid science, please tell me which plants and animals make up the "crude oil" in southern nigeria?

Evil Brain: I'm not glorying in being better than in anyone. I'm just pointing out that we Africans are in the middle of the pack, not at the back. That's nothing to be ashamed about because in most endeavors, almost everybody has at least one person ahead of them. The same applies here.




You're totally wrong. The latest and best research shows that the differences are just that superficial. Though you can carry out your own genetic studies if you're so sure that the oyimbos are a superior race.

NB: Edited for clarity.

There is nothing like a superior race. Oyibos are better than us in certain things. We are better in others. Everybody adapts to one's own environment. Is somebody who is struggling to get what you already have superior to you? Depends on perspective.

SNCOQ3: I believe in miracles. God blessing the works of my hands his one of them. I'll get back to you on the gene thing.

If I understand you well, you are saying that the result of hardwork is a miracle?

^^^shyt, he ran away?

SNCOQ3: As for Hard work, I am not comfortable with the phrase "God and hardwork" because a belief in the God of the bible mandates you to work hard.

SNCOQ3: I repeat. Hard work is an integral part of the christian faith.
In a society where cronyism prevails over merit, where injustice, corruption is the order; you need more than hardwork to scale through without compromising noble values- You need God to bless your hardwork:

So you don't believe in miracles?

frosbel: It's called 419 or should we say theft or armed robbery !

If you give him this money and start suffering , it is your fault.

"Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." - 2 Corinthians 9:7

I don't know why it is 419 when they could just stop going to the church.

Chygirl2: If my hlep will come from u nd ur satan,then I don't need it.I only know satan as a killer nd nothing more.too bad no christain is here.thanks nd God bless,bye.

Who has He killed?

all4naija: I wish I understand you clearly. However, how are you doing? What is your view on Atheism?

So you don't understand grammer and were asking for the op to change his.

Anyway as I said before, All atheists are Satanists. https://www.nairaland.com/1105108/all-atheists-satanists

Chygirl2: Thanks so much my fellow ctristains for not helping a sister in need.God bless u all,bye.

Think again and know that the door is always open and wide.

Evil Brain: Eurasia has hot deserts, cold deserts, temperate, Mediterranean, arctic and tropical climates. Plus, as long as you keep avoid going north or south, you can travel for thousands of kilometers in one direction and still get roughly the same climate, making it easier for agriculture to spread. The long east-west axis is probably the most important advantage Eurasia has.

Africa has semi-desert, the Sahara, tropical, and some small areas with Mediterranean climate. Nowhere as diverse as Eurasia.

I think a picture (or 3) speaks a thousand words.
https://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/true-size-of-africa-compared-other-countries-map-image.png [img]http://www.bu.edu/africa/files/2010/10/covimg11.gif[/img] https://www.calacademy.org/exhibits/africa/exhibit/facts/africasize.gif

Africa is huge. Not only do we have the north/south axis of diversity, we also have the east west continuity in the sahara and immediate tropical sub-sahara. There is reality as shown by the maps above, and there is perspectives as shown by school atlas.

Evil Brain: The hunter gatherer lifestyle cannot support a large or urbanized population. Thats why gorillas and chimpanzees dont live in large cities. This stuff about Africans gathering food in the bush like monkeys is rascist bullshît. And our ancestors have been farming for 12,000 years. They were not lazy.

I think you completely misunderstood me here. Maybe the term "lazy" got to you but it was a necessary evolutional lazyness in that it was the optimum thing to do at that time. It is just how evolution is. 99% of european plants shed leaves in autumn. We have fruits all year round. Of course our ancestors were farming but because of lack of extremely harsh climate conditions, didn't need to process and store food. We can plant divers crops in diverse seasons, so why invent a mass storage system? The eurasian had to store food so as not to starve in the winter. He thus had to constantly invent better ways of doing such: farming, transporting and storage. Thus increasing his technological know how.

Evil Brain: We know where plants and animals originally came from from archeology, paleontology, genetic studies and sometimes historical records. The science is pretty solid so I'm not going to waste time arguing about it. Either use Google to educate yourself, or just take my word for it. And FYI, cattle were first domesticated in Mesopotamia about 11,000 years ago. I don't know what the Fulanis were doing before that, but they definitely weren't herding cows.

archeology, paleontology, genetic studies and historical records do not tell us where plants and animals originally came from. They tell us where plants and animals have been at a certain point in time.
If you didn't know what the Fulanis were doing how are definite they were not herding livestock?

Evil Brain: Wrong. The first modern humans left Africa only 100,000 years ago. We haven't been evolving long enough for that amount of change to happen. Besides, the differences between the races are mostly superficial and much less than the variability within each race. For some reason, you are looking down on your own ancestors and accusing them of being bums. And you're so focused on us lagging behind the Europeans that you haven't even noticed that we're way ahead of the native Americans, Australian aboriginals Polynesians and countless other cultures around the world. You need to stop all the self-hate and learn to appreciate where you came from, even thought it's not perfect.

This is the typical African man's complex brain reasonning! As long as he destroys those better than himself, he can wallow in the glory of being better than everyone else. You have just mentally destroyed european superiority as racist while glowing in your superiority of other races. Instead of fighting to make ourselves better, we continually lie to ourselves.
Evidence gathered so far shows, as you said, that the first humans left africa about 100,000 to 200,000 years ago. These populations mixed with other humanoid populations in the world. (the neantherthals are the most common). Their offsprings became genetically superior, because that's how evolution works. (see Obama. ) Please note that a slight insignificant genetic change can have gigantic physical and mental consequences. Consider that all the difference you see between us and chimps are based on only 2% of genetic viariation. And one extra chromosome gives you a special needs baby. So it may not be as superficial as you think.
I am not looking down on my ancestors. I am just being realistic.

plaetton: I agree with most of what you wrote in the beginning, until you got to the god part.
Its funny and sad how goddism always messes up a good intellect.

Your last sentence of your conclusion is complete baloney, a glaring contradiction.
How can success be a product of god and hardwork?.
It is either one or the other.
Let god make up his mind.lol

You goddists are so mischeiviously clever in always to trying to sneak god into every success and sneaking him out of every failure.

If success comes as a result of hard work,which is self evident, then give due credit to hard work.
If success comes from god, then kindly show us who,where, when and how god bestows success. Tell us the criteria or formula that god uses to determine to whom he should bestow success, and to whom to deny such.

Right here in Terra Firma, Man is the master of his destiny, for good or for bad.
Man's journey and ultimate destination in this part of existence is neither determined nor influenced by the machinations of any god or gods(real or imagined) in the sky or in the earth.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

you have followed a foreign god
you are now in misery
you will pay tenfold
your iniquities shall multiply

all4naija: Lol... You too missed it. I agree it is grammatically correct, but not conventional. It is colloquial form of if I were... Stop encouraging something like this.

non conventional? Whatever that means. Grammer is grammer. One or two twists may entirely change meaning or change nothing at all.

tell me the difference between these two pairs of sentences:

1
-If I was in Abuja yesterday, i should have bought some oranges.
-If I were in Abuja yesterday, i would have bought some oranges.

2
-I come.
-I am coming.

Lovethywilbedon: Please hasten up and give us 15 more "USELESS THREADS" before today runs out.

He is making a killing of the godly and that is paining you. I am sure you would rejoice if a fatwa is placed on his head.

christemmbassey: @Frosbel & Goshen, with ppl like you guys there is hope for the church in Nigeria, if u must know, christemmbassey is a pastor in living waters, a new church in Calabar, remain blessed.

That's it then. Nigerian church is doomed then, if these two are your hope.

Satan has already won. Hahaha.

Evil Brain: Geography: Eurasia's long axis is oriented east-west, while Africa and the Americas axes are north-south. This is a huge deal when it comes to the spread of agriculture, as you would see if you bother to follow my link.

Climate: Eurasia has by far the most diverse climate of any continent on earth. This means a very wide variety of plants and animals have been able to evolve in various different climactic conditions. More biodiversity means more varied plants and animals for domestication. Agriculture is the key to human development as history has shown. We Africans aren't even that far behind, native Americans were still in the stone age in the 15th century and some pacific island dwellers apparently didn't even have fire.

Plants and Animals: Basically all domesticated animals except guinea fowls and llamas originated in Eurasia. These animals didn't spread to Africa for centuries because they had to first adapt to the weather which changes rapidly as you move north or south (as opposed to east or west). This goes double for plants that depend on temperature, rainfall patterns, and seasonal day-length variation to grow.

This means that whenever a new plant or animal was domesticated, say horses in the steppes, its use easily spread over thousands of kilometers in both directions to Britain and China. Meanwhile, even today, horses don't really thrive in sub-saharan Africa.

The end result is that Europeans, Indians and Asians had access to cows, sheep, horses, camels, goats, dogs, pigs, rice, wheat, millet, beans, and peas for millennia before people on other continents. That means they could farm more efficiently (e.g.using oxen) travel more widely, eat better food and develop their societies faster. Thats why they are ahead.

I would have to disagree with you on this one. Although Europe has more diverse seasons than Africa, it doesn't have more diverse climate. African climate has everything european climate has (except snow in subsahara) and even more, like extreme dryness, harmattan, etc. Africans didn't much need to develop agriculture because food was readily available all year round in the bushes and forests. This easy availability of resources was more of a curse for us as it made us lazy.

What proof do you have about all domesticated animals originating from eurasia? I don't believe it. What were the fulanis doing before those animals decided to emigrate? Please check your facts. Secondly, Africa has more variety of fruits and plants that eurasia.

Africans had everything, stopped evolving and rested on their oars. Europeans had fewer things and had to fight and expand in order to survive. Through their many fightings and wars, they eliminated the weak and foolish amongst themselves and their offsprings evolved to stronger and smarter population.

alexis: Human choice decides what turns out to be evil and what turns out to be good. God has given us the freedom to decide and that is the only true freedom we have. If God had made all of us robots to do EXACTLY what He wanted/wants; then you probably wouldn't be posting on this thread. When a man robs a store, it has nothing to do with God; the thief decided that on his own.

So why did he create humans?

all4naija: @ OP. Please, change the title to 'If I Were Atheist'.

Maybe he was an atheist. Look it is a grammatically correct sentence. The fact that it is rarely used doesn't make it any less correct. It just has a different meaning.

frosbel: Stalin disagrees

Communism is NOT atheism. Get that into your skull.

I believe it is genetic. The black man is merciful, kind, hospitable, etc, thus naive and is open to exploitation and swallows every foreign tale he hears hook, line and sinker. He is very impressionable. The whiteman on the other hand is ruthless in all his doing thus guaranteeing him only two possible outcomes: success or death.

frosbel: Given the fact that the New Atheists are becoming more bold and violent against Christians, and the fact that Atheism has the most violent history of all religions against followers of Christ, some Christians have become fearful. This is wrong. Fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate.

I think you are confusing atheism with islam.

^^^ see vex.

plappville: That photo is not a true color of CHRISTIANITY, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF SUCH CRIMEs FROM atheist all over the world.
The issue here is the kind of heart the father has. I think the picture was removed because the child was not clothed.
Nothing more you are the one reading meanings to it.

And for the accident, It just shows You know nothing .....Insurance is an obligation here..You can't drive your car without Insurance...
I stated it was a minor one, so it didn't warrant me going to my insurance, the man wanted to but i was not interested.
This made him surprised. You can't scratch someone's car here and HE allows you to go.
I hear you sir!

You christians are very good at making excuses for every evil your kind commit. You even make excuses for your murderous mysogynist god. So I am not surprised by you calling "unchristian", an act committed by a leader and overseer of a christian congregation. If you people can't emulate your leaders, who will you copy? Satanists?

Coming to the accident, You first said that the man would have "spent some euros from His pocket". Now you are saying that the man wanted to go through insurance. How could he have spent from his pocket if wanted to go through insurance? You don't make sense. So either you lied about this whole episode or you have something to hide from the authorities for refusing to go through insurance but instead letting a faulty party go free, prefering driving a scratched car and crediting Jizz-Us with your inefficacy.

Chygirl2: Good day everyone.not even a single person could help me.pls be ur brother's keeper nd God will do more than u asked for you.God bless.

I will help you but it wont be free. You have to give something in return and acknowledge Satan.

So do you want my help?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Ah.....so that's what you lot mean by "debunked"? Oh I see.[/quote]Yes. When debunked, he started denying mentionning the bible when his whole faith and talk was based on it. Then he started the useless christian trick of asking the other person to prove his imaginary god and heaven and hell does not exist. He insisted foetus are babies. All these while doing Anonyism trick of asking questions and never giving a direct response. Cindy reminded him that he based everything on a book somebody wrote thousands of years ago. He kept asking stuppid questions. Cindy shut him up at 5:40 mark. The look on his face was at 5:42 priceless.
He kept judging Cindy based on his imaginary godly morals but Cindy forcefully reminded him that he was the one making the judgement. Then he finally at the end does the most christian of things: He fell back to his denied bible and started using it to justify his arrogance and pettiness.
So yes, he was debunked. Severely and Severally.

plappville: YES I HAVE SEEN IT, IT SAYS IT WILL EXPAIREs IN MARCH 07. What is offensive in my post/threads is what i am not getting!

Not being pro muslim in an islamic thread is very offensive to them. There is a separate rule for islamic section: NEVER CRITICISE ISLAM.