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ElRazur:
Otawa, one key point you are missing. I am not exactly arguing, but merely presenting an alternative view point. I am not trying to prove anything or argue for or against anything. However, I am asking us to look at things from a different view.

Put differently, you stand for nothing, correct? You are not trying to prove anything or argue for or against anything? So, why are you still disagreeing with obvious positions based on facts, logic and common sense?

ElRazur:
@Afam

Once again, you are missing the point.

Hamas on this occasion have done exactly what Israel do to Palestine. That and that only is the point I was aiming at making.

Like I mentioned to you in the other thread, both sides are guilty. And I am of the belief that heaping blame on one side will not achieve anything in real life. Just the same way how blaming each sides on this forum, or taking sides on this forum lead to endless bickering over who is wrong and who is right, while the people concerned continues to suffer.

Your post have done nothing but continue the blame game.

I will never agree to be wrong just to justify a wrong position you may have taken.

When I am wrong I will admit it, certainly not before.

When 2 people fight it is almost impossible for the 2 people to be guilty for the fight so stop trying to defend what cannot be defended - all parties are equally guilty - it will not work.

ElRazur:
Still on the issue of Hamas, bulldozing buildings etc. I mean, one can present a point that Palestine is reported to be the biggest refugee camp in the world, so how is demolishing the homes of fellow palestine by hamas meant to help? Let us approach thing from a moral point of view for a second. It is reported that there are several blockage and embargo placed on these areas by Israel, and as such building materials are regulated in a tight manner. Surely, the little shelter these people can put together out of their own sweat and blood should be left alone? No?  Morally, Hamas acted wrong here.


I mean, Israel do the same thing, but I wonder how many of those who appears to do nothing but take sides see that Hamas is basically doing the same thing? 

The reason why you continue to wonder is because you have failed to realize the following

1. Isreali actions are meant to humiliate, maim, punish and kill Palestinians.

2. Hamas on the other hand work towards liberating Palestine from the likes of Israel who are bent on taking their lands and punishing them for what the Germans (Europe) did.

Ikomi:
And you think your making sense, your case is pathetic.

The Nigerian Govt. has the right to destroy homes built on Nigerian soil if it think it does not meet the plan of the area just like we have seen done in some areas in Abuja and Lagos, but for the Cameroonian govt., to come destroy Nigerian homes in Calabar, just because we share borders is another case entirely.

You have finally brought your ignorance to fore, accusing Ahmadinajad of issues you cant comprehend.

Don't expect me to come back on this, I ignored it the first time, but I could not let your ignorance pass unnoticed.

Actually ElRazur if brains were taxed you would get a rebate.

Well done for the perfect response.

Donpuzo:
But honestly A lot of people who call for job quotations and look for people to design sites in here are, most often than not, unserious time-wasters who know next to nothing about what they are talking about.(Apologies to the OP.This is not accusing you of anything)., that is true.

I rather never drop quotes here or even scout for jobs. Cause i am not a hungry developer, at the end na 10k them go won offer me.

Men since when i started this poo, i have never developed less than 60k for a site, and i am considering reducing my price.

I will advice you take some of these requests serious because people are looking for help or professionals to develop projects for them.

However, it is your duty to figure out the serious requests and respond accordingly.

I have responded to requests here that resulted in couple of hundreds of thousands worth of projects in a matter of days.

Do not generalize or you may miss potential projects that you can handle.

All we need is reciprocal policy, no need raising dust.

By the way this is a law that has been in place since 1994.

The day our own government focuses on protecting Nigeria and Nigerians things will get better. Until then, it's the same old song.

mbulela:
N800m Stolen at THISDAY
•7 arrested, 2 on the run
05.19.2010

THISDAY Newspapers has lost over N800 million to fraudsters in the employ of the company.
The fraud was perpetrated through the collaboration of Accounting, Audit and Circulation sales staff over the last one year.

The police have arrested seven of the suspects, while two of the ringleaders – Messrs Dirisu Andrew Eshorame from Okpella in Edo State and Sola Popoola from Okemesi in Ekiti State - are at large.

Dirisu was the newspaper’s Kakawa, Lagos Island, Sales Representative, while Popoola was its Sales Auditor at the Account Department.
The fraud was carefully carried out by the suspects who had been stealing the organisation’s newspaper sales proceeds using fake bank tellers.

In a petition to the Divisional Police Officer (DPO), Apapa Police Station, Apapa, Lagos, the organisation’s Managing Director, Mr. Eniola Bello, said: “On Wednesday April 28, 2010 a routine check of the account where our newspaper sales are deposited in GTBank showed some discrepancy in what was sold and what was actually paid in from our Kakawa sales point.”

Bello explained that on getting a query about the discrepancy in the payment, Dirisu quickly paid N1 million two days after he should have deposited the money into the account.
Also, Dirisu, Popoola and others paid another N10.8 million, triggering suspicion by senior management.

The suspicion led to investigation which uncovered massive fraud, showing that they had been stealing between N10 - N20 million per week by using fake bank tellers.
Furthermore, it was discovered that in Lagos Island alone, N175 million has been stolen from Kakawa sales point since January this year.

Bello therefore requested the police to assist the newspaper in apprehending Popoola, whose last known address was 9 Idowu Williams Street, Off Toyin Bus Stop, Agbado Road Iju Ishaga, Lagos.
In addition, the paper’s MD asked the police to apprehend Dirisu whose last known address was 30 Ogunbowale Street, Ilasamaja Lagos.

Bello added that THISDAY believes that both Popoola and Dirisu are in a good position to name others involved in the fraud.
The MD also called on members of the public who have information about the suspects to furnish the police with same.
Meanwhile, up to seven accounting and sales staff have been arrested and are currently facing questions.

Can't these guys put enough measures in place to check, prevent or track any fraudulent activities?

If this is a project that a client is paying you for then it is best you get a professional to do this forum. It is never a good idea to use a serious project as a learning tool otherwise you may disappoint both the client and yourself in the end.

Don't call potential clients for such projects.

You may send email to afam@justwebservices.com if you can with any other information you think makes sense.

The features listed can be implemented.

I believe the deputy governor is now the current governor. That settles it.

GenBuhari:
@ Afam,
It is very interesting to note that you now seem to be defending criminals / drug pushers.
It is seems to make sense that you would be opposed to Buhari who is against corruption, criminals and drug pushers.

I am not defending criminals neither am I defending drug pushers.

I am questioning the very wrong act of executing someone based on laws that never existed at the time the offense was committed.

The reason for questioning that action is this - Buhari could wake up one day and choose to execute all the Igbos based on a law that he just created last night.

Injustice to one person is injustice to all.

As a matter of fact killing someone for a crime that did not attract death penalty at the time of the crime is pure murder.

So, while those drug pushers were guilty of pushing drugs Buhari was guilty of murder.

I only hope you were Buhari so that you will defend the comment by other generals that Buhari believes that his ideas were always the best even when wrong.

I support his position on corruption but certainly not the execution of people who committed an offense that did not carry the death penalty.

If we ignore this then people who are accused of fighting may face firing squad under Buhari in future, that is my worry.

Speechless! The man wan hammer and then when he gets to power he will remind us that it is not easy to get to the top for example it is not easy to swallow wraps of cocaine instead of amala or akpu. Nonsense.

GenBuhari:
what democracy did he truncate?

The Shagari government.

GenBuhari:
Do we really have true democracy now? Have we ever had true democracy in Nigeria?

Is there anything to show us that you will usher in true democracy in Nigeria? 3 drug pushers were executed based on laws that did not exist and to me that is murder because he could round up Nigerians anytime and execute based on laws that don't exist. Admission of error and apology could suffice in this regard.

GenBuhari:
When a government is corrupt it ceases to be democratic and it is right and proper that it is made to answer for it is actions.
This is exactly what Buhari did when his regime intervened in Dec 1983, to prevent the Shagari administration looting us down to the last kobo.

Buhari today is not a soldier so the promises in 1983 may be almost impossible to fulfill today.

ElRazur:
With the phrase "Thread like this" I was referring to ones where the content tend to result into a West/Israel/whatever V Iran/Islam etc/ like it we have seen in the tone and content of this thread.

I am guilty of what I am doing wrong? Ehn! Sorry I am lost in translation. What is it am "doing wrong"? or "guilty of"? I am lost in translation. I suppose saying both sides are not to far apart is "doing something wrong" and making me "guilty". Nice.

Do you post are riddle with so much irony, the mind boggles.    You leave out sentiments? May be you should take a step back and read your own post in relation to my reply. Even when I have stated both sides are guilty, you are doing nothing but keep heaping blame upon blame on the west - I am guessing this is down to you missing the whole point in the first place. [as shown in your posts]



Meh.

When you are guilty of something feel free to accept responsibility. You cannot accept responsibility on the condition that every other person should agree that all are guilty. That is my point and a fundamental one for that matter.

ElRazur:
By the way Afam, I am not sure if you read from Retired generals - I am talking about those we have an insider knowledge of the Politics of international relations.

USA is lying. They have done so in the past, and nothing to stop doing so again.

Iran is lying too, heck Israel are. You see they are all looking after their own interest - A mentality we have to do away from if we are to remotely have anything close to a world peace. But whether this happens is another story.

We are neither Iranians, Israelis nor Americans so analyzing what they do or say is easier in this regard as spectators.

ElRazur:
And one of the many reasons, topics like this are getting less and less reply. Again sir, the bigger picture is what am all about with my original point.

Wrong again. The only reason why this thread is not getting more replies is because the facts are too glaring and obvious.

Did you miss the excuses and justifications given by the US supporters? Some even claimed that using atomic bombs on civilian populations was ok as long as it was the US doing so.

I only hope that more and more people will have respect for facts.

You are guilty of what you are doing wrong, I am not guilty of the same thing because I have respect for facts and I leave out sentiments when debating any issue.

ElRazur:
Again another irrelevant post. I was merely highlighting the irony that is ever consistent.

Please point at out how this fits into the point I made originally? Price of tea in china and riots in Thailand.

So, the post is irrelevant yet you introduced the issue by talking about countries who disagree with the West and yet are using technologies from the West. Don't you see that you are clearly inconsistent and going round in circles here? You make a statement, a reply is provided and you turn around to claim that the post is irrelevant. Get a mirror and look hard.

ElRazur:
Speaking of tarring everyone with the same brush, it is a bit ironic that you said "This is the problem with Nigerians". Clearly, my post is my own view and not a representation of Nigerians? But yeah nice one.

My mistake, I meant to write some Nigerians.

ElRazur:
Just in case you are about to miss it again - Both sides are just as guilty as one another. I have noticed, you are an advocate for world peace in some of your post etc. If you really are, I am sure it will make sense to you as to what I am saying in my original post. Unnecessary bickering and what not is just not needed sometimes. And to be honest a waste of bandwidth.

Wrong, both sides are not just as guilty as the other. This point will never fly because you want to hide under it to cover up your blunders or wrong positions.

Your position is like that of an arrested armed robber who says "yeah, I agree I am an armed robber but all of us are criminals". Such statements won't work here.

Why are you diverting attention from the core issue in this post and when the diversions you created are addressed you begin to determine what is relevant and what is not.

Stick to the issues or create another thread to discuss your "we are all guilty" position.

On this thread, you have been wrong, proven wrong and until you recant those positions of yours you will remain wrong.

Stop the diversion. Focus on this thread.

ElRazur:
Afam one thing that strike me about you is how you are quick to miss the point.

I have stated this is an attempt of highlighting of how both sides have plenty of similarities in common - Although we hardly see this - but you appeared to have missed this and just kept talking about the US.

Look, I have never said anyone is wrong, and to be brutally honest, I am merely drawing how both sides are similar more than the people may or may not realise.

Where is it in my post that it is directed at you or claimed you said something?

It may not work for you, but it do not rule out the observation I made - A very valid one. Thank you very much.

This is the problem with Nigerians.

You believe your observation is correct and should be accepted. I disagree because you are trying to make it seem that we all argue alike which is incorrect otherwise we will not be doing what we are doing now.

On my part, I believe that facts should be respected at all times and wonder when people attempt to argue issues that are glaring and facts.

So, I am not missing any point, I am merely emphasizing the obvious since you are just trying to paint everyone with the same brush.

ElRazur:
Finally, you get people accusing the West of this and that, whist using western made technology - Internet, computers, live in western-influenced type of democracy governed nation etc. It is ironic, but that is human nature for you.

This is funny because people who use these technologies pay for them and those that produced them make money selling the technologies so what is the problem here?

What makes it right for the US to maim and exterminate the native indians and take their lands and makes it wrong for say Iraq to pay for internet for its own use?

ElRazur:
Just to turn the debate on its head and present a broader picture, instead of staying put in one view.
Afam let me quote you here to make an explanation - Mind you, it is not a reply to your post.

It is amazing how if we turn around the tables, what will happen. Heck let's do that:

You know sometimes I get to wonder if these people do not understand what they are doing to themselves when they try to defend the indefensible just because Iran is involved.

For example, Iran supports hamas strategically to wage proxy war in Israel. Their president - Ahmadenajad - is on record denying the Holocaust etc Yet some people in here will claim those things are false and it is all media fabrication by the west. "Even when the facts are both clear and glaring you still get to see someone trying to turn logic on its head".

It is amazing how a simple twist in words is applicable to both sides of the debate isn't? If we sometimes see beyond our own views and perhaps share the views of others, we may just realise that we are not too far apart to be honest.

Finally, you get people accusing the West of this and that, whist using western made technology - Internet, computers, live in western-influenced type of democracy governed nation etc. It is ironic, but that is human nature for you.

My two cents. Just in case no one is getting my point, let me re-explain. When it comes to issue like this, each side are just as guilty as the other. There really isn't much difference if we can only see the wider picture. This is not an attempt to debate with anyone, but to shed light on some of the things we tend to miss that end up leading to endless bickering.


Peace to both sides jare. I'm out.

Nice try but it won't work.

Just because your position is obviously wrong doesn't mean everyone is wrong and admitting to being wrong does not translate to other people being wrong.

Stop generalizing and address issues as they come.

For the records I have never stated that Iraq does not support Hamas as there is nothing wrong in supporting Hamas as I see Hamas as a freedom fighting organisation. So, Hamas, Hezbollah etc gets support from countries that are sympathetic to their courses just as US supports and arms Israel.

So, facts are facts and they don't change so I will be stupid arguing against a fact.

There is no fact to prove that Iran is planning to acquire nuclear weapons.

There is a fact to prove that the US used atomic bombs on 2 civilian populations in the past so it is more dangerous for the US to own nuclear weapons than for other nations they call axis of evil.

There is a fact to prove that US lied to the world about Iraq's WMD program and used this lie to illegally invade Iraq, today people are still dying and peace (that was there under Saddam) remains elusive.

Need I go on?

KnowAll:
[size=14pt]I think Gov Jang of Plateau State is a bad example of a Christain northern Governor, Kaduna State are afraid that this Christain Deputy Governor might become another Jang, using Police Men attached to him as a Murder squad in a ethnic cleasing operation of getting rid of the Hausa / Fulani from Plateau State. We all know power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. [/size]

Ethnic bigotry is bad but religious bigotry is worse.

tpia.:
Enugu Sets Up Poverty Eradication Ministry


http://www.thisdayonline.com/archive/2003/10/09/20031009e-b07.html

English comprehension wahala.

2003 and sets up don't make sense.

13volts:
You may as well take the same trip to bayelsa, enugu, ebonyi and see the same level of poverty. Least you forget 11 million pple live in lagos slum. Taking of education, i heard of educated pple branding their children ar wiches and witzards in akwa ibom.

Stop talking about what you don't know. The same level of poverty in Enugu? Are you on drugs or what?

Meanwhile, ensure your spelling is in order before making false allegations against a people.

Katsumoto:
How did a debate about a christian governor in Kaduna turn into potential war[b] between Igbos (note the spelling) [/b]and Yorubas? Please engage your brain before typing.

Hmm, I guess you are at your best when the thread is not about Igbo vs Yoruba, thanks for correcting the guy.

harakiri:
Guy,

Don't even bother arguing with these people.They have been brain washed by the western media who present themselves as peace keepers and role models for the world to follow. Yes, there are fanatics would might want to cause mayhem in this world but the U.S is the worst culprit. The real terrorists of this world is the U.S. They rule by terror.Their method of "democracy" and "peaceful resolution" is a sit down where they give you THEIR OWN TERMS and if you refuse to comply, you will be labelled all sorts of names and have all sorts of trade sanctions leveled against your country.They assume they are the only ones who have the right to have nuclear armaments and they determine who stays in the stone ages and who doesn't.For the love of common sense, what moral right does the U.S have to determine the left and right of this world?The respect accorded to the U.S is not based on the "morals" but to the nuclear warheads sitting pretty in under ground silos.As they say, it is not wise to argue with a man holding a gun!

That is U.S terrorism for you.

You know sometimes I get to wonder if these people do not understand what they are doing to themselves when they try to defend the indefensible just because US or Israel is involved.

Even when the facts are both clear and glaring you still get to see someone trying to turn logic on its head as if the person's stay in a foreign land is tied to complete defense of the host nation in cyber space.

kettykings:
what did the christians in north do when Beroms where being slaughtered like rams on daily basis ,

They retaliated, this one does not support the point you are trying to make.

auwal87:
That is the way an educated and literate person will understand the situation. The simple ideology of the North West region is that all are Muslims, and all governors of this region should be Muslims. By the way, I am not hoping for any crisis to happen.

Then it is the duty of the educated and literate person there to educate his/her people so that they understand fully the consequences of their actions.

Let them know that it is possible for the christians to fight back and it is very possible for the state to be divided into 2 with muslims control one part and christians the other and lastly tell them that if such leads to war even the christians in Kaduna could support their christian brothers and sisters down south to form a strong and very prosperous nation.

It is your duty to do this.

Even Nigeria Police go tell you say "Ignorance of the law is no excuse".

auwal87:
Salute You too!

My friend, stop saluting people up and down (you be soldier?), try to justify or defend your posts that seem to be not only unwarranted but smacks of unnecessary religious sentiments.

auwal87:
Kaduna State has a history of religious crisis and tensions, when Islamic Shariah was introduced in the state the Xtians in the state were opposing, now it is very much possible for the Muslims in Kaduna to reject a Xtian as the Governor of the state. Save me! I am just voicing out what I think may happen, I did not say it will happen for sure.

Prevention is far far better than cure!

Save me!

And the prevention is for the deputy governor to be removed so that only a muslim will become governor if the current governor becomes VP?

Does this your prevention make any sense even to you?

As a matter of fact if the muslims refuse to allow the deputy governor to take over it will be a good sign that will help in the case for a possible break up.

Thank God everyday we now see that the North is not all about muslims if a christian is even a deputy governor in that state, something you cannot get in states like Sokoto and Zamfara states.

I think this forum is achieving its aim, at least it allows people to put down in words how their minds work.

Having this type of information will help us understand why people act or react in certain ways.

This means that it is not always the case that people are incited by politicians, even literate people can think in the most illogical manner as well.

Abeg, poster, continue to educate us on how some of these religious problems start, thanks.

otawa:
indeed.

History also told us that USA is only country to have drop nuclear bomb on hapless Japanese people.

History also told us that USA is the country that wiped-out a nation of people: the red indians.

Thanks for the facts.

bawomolo:
you are stuck in the past.

The past shapes both the present and the future so it matters a great deal.

Kay 17:
it was kind of necessary in the view of the carnage which would have occurred if US invaded Japan, probably more than a million lives.One of the worst human rights abuses goes to Russia for the cage Gulag and the Polish massacre.

Would you have subscribed to this explanation if any country but the US used atomic bomb on a civilian population?

@topic,

How are we sure that the number disclosed is correct? It could be 1000 times more.

It is funny to see some of us excuse and defend the US that is on record to be the only country that has used atomic bombs on civilian populations.

You cannot have peace in the world when we display all sorts of hypocrisy and sycophancy. Majority of the so called terrorists cite these as the main reasons for their actions and in principle I agree with those reasons but disagree with the targeting of civilians.

It is one thing for the Ikemba to ask the Igbos to vote for IBB and it is another thing for the Igbos to vote for IBB.

Ikemba has the right to air his opinions just like every other Nigerian.

Ikemba is not forcing anyone or cannot force anyone to do what he wants.

Ikemba is well respected in Igbo land but as you all know the Igbos are republicans and they naturally do not do what any single leader says as they are highly independent thinkers and when they do not agree with a position they make it clear with their actions.

So, instead of allowing this thread to derail and end up being about Ojukwu, Igbo, Biafra hate filled thread let us recognize Ikemba's right to say what he wants and the rights of the Igbos to say "no wahala" or "lailai" to that.

Avenir:
If you live and work in Lagos, then your case is even more hopeless and pathetic than I initially thought! Continue in your Biafran delirium!! I rest my case.

Your thoughts have been proven wrong on this thread so they are meaningless to me. Someone who does not think before writing anything is a complete mumu and you have not disappointed in that regard.

I am not a supporter of Biafra and everyone knows that. However, should I have a good reason to support it I will while making known those reasons and trust me my reasons are always based on facts, logic and common sense.

Keep posting rubbish based on lies and misinformation on the forum since you are allergic to truth.

Avenir:
Who will stop you if you try to become governor of Lagos state provided you get enough votes? Are you this silly? When was the last time you went to Nigeria? Get real! Visit Nigeria. Don't rely on what Eziachi posts on Nairaland. Eziachi has never been to Nigeria since 1960!

This is what happens when you argue blindly.

Who told you that I live outside Nigeria?

I live and work in Lagos so don't come here telling me things I know about the role of tribes or ethnic groups in the scheme of things.

Get your facts before making categorical statements please!

It seems the diversionary tactics have crept in and very soon this thread will turn to Biafra vs the rest of Nigeria even though the original post was not about this.

The problem here is that a lot of us are pure hypocrites and sycophants.

I have never supported anything Biafra after the war or MASSOB today because Biafra ended in 1970 and the then Eastern region has been balkanized into states that belong to different ethnic nationalities.

MASSOB as it is today will also not work because we have Igbo House of Reps members, Senators, Ministers and Governors in the same Nigeria.

These are my views and I am bold enough to have them so when silly tribal bigots come here and try to manipulate statements to read what their hate filled hearts want I will address them accordingly.

Or, are some people ashamed of their tribes on this forum?