₦airaland Forum

texazzpete:
Most charges of US and bush bashing levelled against you have been in response to some of your more unfounded, vitriolic posts vilifying the US incessantly. I do not believe the invasion of Iraq was justified, but i'm not dumb enough to suddenly give credence to any half-assed conspiracy theorist story because of that.

Na today? We have been through this road before and the facts on ground supported those that objected to all manner of bad policies, hypocrisy and sycophancy of the West especially the USA.

The poster provided enough information on the workability of his system.

The keyword here is intranet.

@my2cents,

I no fit shout. Excellent submission.

And when you state these things for those in the business to step up their games rather than complaining all the time they begin to call you names.

Why do you prefer to show the world that you are not up to speed on this inverter stuff.

I should research abi? You are always asking people to do what you should have done which will make life easier for you.

There is something called efficiency maybe that is what you have not been able to relate with your positions.

According to you some people you have provided the information are already making N5000.00, who is paying?

This is the classical explanation by people that organize seminars to teach people how to make millions without applying the skills themselves because the only way they make money is by charging people for the seminars.

They have rules in the senate and if Mark asked that the ethics committee meet, deliberate and issue a report on this matter then we cannot say that he stopped anyone as you don't just stand up and call people names in the senate as if you are in the market.

Good, so people should understand that replacing the battery with a bigger one may take up to 20hrs or more to charge and that they may need an external charger which comes at a cost for the charging to make sense.

Thanks.

mecussey:
AFAM, 2500 is 2.5kva that is 2500va. and 200 is the assumed load, and 2500/200 is not 20 but something above 20. But considering losses, like heat, eddy current, histerises and resistance you will have like 20. Therefore, if you buy 2.5kva inverter, what you actually bought is 2KVA. Let me know if you don't understand

I should let you know if I don't understand abi? Ok

1. 2500/200 is not something above 20, it is 12.5

2. A 2.5kva is not 2.0kva, only God knows where you got this idea from

3. Losses do not increase backup time but decreases it.

My dear, be careful how you mislead Nigerians on issues like this, better still take time to understand how these things work.

We build inverters from scratch, my office has never used a generator for more than 3 years now and we have offices and homes with up to 4 days backup in place.

See www.justalternativepower.com if need be.

PDP - Spread.

The statement above na my own ooo, just realized my neighbour while using my laptop last night signed in with his username without informing me.

chronicles:
When we been dey talk am ignorant people say na US and Bush bashing dey worry us.

Una good morning.

The statement above na my own ooo, just realized my neighbour while using my laptop last night signed in with his username without informing me.

From my inbox.

Interesting views from an Israeli.

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The Hands of Esau -by Uri Avnery

WHICH OF the two men is the leader of the greatest power
on earth and which is the boss of a small client state?

A visitor from another planet, attending the press
conference in Jerusalem, would find it hard not to answer:
Olmert is the president of the great power, Bush is his
vassal.

Olmert is taller. He talked endlessly, while Bush listened
patiently. While Olmert anointed Bush with flattery that
would have made a Byzantine emperor blush, it was quite
clear that it is Olmert who decides policy, while Bush
humbly accepts the Israeli diktat. And Bush's flattery of
Olmert exceeded even Olmert's flattery of Bush.

Both, we learned, are "courageous". Both are "determined".
Both have a "vision". The word "vision", once reserved for
prophets, starred in every second sentence. (Bush could not
know that in Israel, "vision" has long become a jocular
appellation for highfaluting speeches, usually in combin-
ation with the word "Zionism".)

The President and the Prime Minister have something else
in common: not a word of what they said at the press
conference had any connection with the truth.


ONE OF the most moving dramas in the Bible tells about our
old blind forefather, Isaac, who wanted to bless his eldest
son, Esau, a reddish and hairy hunter. But the second son,
the homebody (or rather tent-body) Jacob, exploited the
absence of his brother and went to his father in order to
steal the blessing. He wore Esau's clothes and covered his
arms with hairy goat skins. The ruse nearly failed, when
the father felt the arms of Jacob and his suspicion was
aroused.

That's when he uttered the famous words: "The voice is
Jacob's voice, but the hands are the hands of Esau."
(Genesis, 27: 22).

Yet Jacob, the impostor, did receive the blessing and
became the father of the nation which was named after
him (he was also called Israel). It seems that Ehud
Olmert is a true successor: there is no connection
between his voice and his hands.

Anyone who listens to him - not just at the press
conference, but also on every other occasion - hears
words of peace and reason: The Palestinians must have
a state of their own. The "vision" must be realized
while Bush is president, because Israel has never had
and never will have a truer friend. The settlement
outposts must be removed, as promised by us again and
again. The settlements must be frozen. Etc. etc.

That is the voice of Jacob. But the hands, well, they
are the hands of Esau.


BEFORE ANNAPOLIS, during Annapolis and after Annapolis,
nothing at all was done to promote the Two-State Solution.
The negotiations were about to begin - any moment now -
a year ago, and now they are again about to begin - any
moment now. Yes, the "core issues" - borders, Jerusalem,
refugees - will be addressed. Sure. Any moment now.

But in the meantime, the hands of Esau are working fever-
ishly. All over the occupied territories, the settlements
are being enlarged. The existing outposts remain untouched,
new ones spring up from time to time. Around them, a well
choreographed dance has evolved, a kind of formal ballet
executed by the settlers and the army. The settlers set
up a new outpost, the army removes it, the settlers return
and set it up again, the army dismantles, and so forth.

In the meantime the outpost gets bigger and bigger. The
government connects it to the electricity and water systems
and builds a road. And the army, of course, protects it day
and night. We cannot leave good Jews at the mercy of the
evil Palestinian terrorists, can we?

Bush knows all this and still continues to blabber that
"the illegal outposts must be removed". And so it
continues: the voice is Jacob's voice, the hands are the
hands of Esau.


BUT ONE cannot fool all of the people all of the time, to
quote another American President who was slightly more
intelligent than the present incumbent.

And so, after Olmert and Bush repeated the mantra about
removing the outposts and freezing the settlements, one
of the journalists popped an innocent question: How does
this fit together with the announcement about the building
of a huge new housing project at Har Homa?

If anyone thought that this would embarrass Olmert, he
was sadly mistaken. Olmert just cannot be embarrassed.
He simply answered that this promise does not apply to
Jerusalem, nor to the "Jewish population centers" beyond
the Green Line.

"Jerusalem" - since the time of Levy Eshkol - is not only
the Old City and the Holy Basin. It is the huge tract of
land annexed to Israel after the Six-Day War, from the
approaches to Bethlehem to the outskirts of Ramallah. This
area includes the hill that was once forested and called
Jebel Abu-Ghneim, now the site of the big and ugly Har
Homa settlement. And the "population centers" are the big
settlement blocs in the occupied Palestinian territories,
which President Bush so generously presented to Ariel
Sharon.

This means that almost all the extensive building
activities that are now going on beyond the Green Line
are not covered by the Israeli undertaking to freeze
the settlements. And while Olmert publicly announced
this, President Bush was standing at his side, smiling
foolishly and painting on another layer of compliments.

The following day, Bush visited Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah
and told the shocked Palestinians that the innumerable
Israeli roadblocks in the West Bank, which turn the life
of the Palestinians into hell, are necessary for the
protection of Israel and must remain where they are -
until after the establishment of the hoped-for democratic
Palestinian state.

Condoleezza Rice was quick to remind him in private that
this was not very wise, since he was about to visit half
a dozen Arab countries. So Bush hastened to call another
press conference in Jerusalem, talking about the "core
issues": there would be a "contiguous" Palestinian state,
but the 1949 borders (the Green Line) would not be
restored. He would not speak about Jerusalem. Also, the
refugee problem would be settled by an international fund
- meaning that none at all would be allowed to return.

Altogether, much less than Bill Clinton's 2000
"parameters", and less than most Israelis are already
prepared to accept. It amounts to 110% support for the
official Israeli government line.

After that, Bush had dinner with Israeli cabinet ministers.
He cordially shook the hand of Minister Rafael Eitan, the
former spymaster who controlled the Israeli spy in
Washington, Jonathan Pollard, whom Bush refuses to pardon.
(Eitan would be arrested the moment he set foot on American
soil.) He spoke cordially with the ultra-rightist Minister
Avigdor Liberman, urging him to support Olmert. Throughout
the dinner, he talked and talked, until Condi sent him a
discreet note suggesting that he shut up. Bush, in high
spirits, read the note out loud.


I HAVE mentioned more than once the British World War II
poster which was pasted up on the walls in Palestine: "Is
this trip really necessary?"

That is again the question now: Is this trip of Bush's
really necessary?

The answer is: Of course. Necessary for Bush. Necessary
for Olmert. Necessary for Abbas, too.

For Bush, because he is a lame duck, in the last year of
his term, and therefore almost paralyzed. In the United
States he is rapidly becoming irrelevant. His touted Middle
East tour has been drowned out by the primary elections
mayhem, which produces a new drama almost every day. While
Hillary wrestles with Obama and the glib Bill competes with
an impressive black grandma, who cares where the worst
president in American history is traipsing around?

Olmert is well aware of the situation. When he declares that
the last year of the term of his noble friend must be used,
what he really means to say is: he cannot exert any
pressure on us, he cannot even "nudge" us, as he promises.
There is no need to remove even one single outpost for him.
So let us squeeze the last drop of juice out of his
presidency, before he is thrown onto the trash pile of
history.

But Olmert needs the presence of Bush at his side, because
his position is not much more secure than Bush's. Bush is
bankrupt in a big way, after starting one of the most
pointless and unsuccessful wars in US history. That is
true for Olmert in a small way. He is bankrupt too, and
he also started a pointless, failed war.

In two weeks time, the Winograd Commission will publish its
final report on Lebanon War II, and everyone expects it to
come down on Olmert like a 16 ton weight. He may survive,
if only because there is now no credible substitute. But
he needs all the help he can get - and what better help
than the "Leader of the Free World" gazing at him with
liquid eyes?

It's the old story about the lame and the blind.


THIS WAS NOT Bush's last presidential visit to Israel. He
has already promised to return on the 60th anniversary of
the founding of the state, which falls this year (in
accordance with the Hebrew calendar) on May 8. What else
can a president do in his last months in office, except
star in ceremonies with kings, presidents and prime
ministers?

Perhaps he had intended to finish with a big bang, a
historic climax that would overshadow even his invasions
of Afghanistan and Iraq, such as a grand attack on Iran.
But it seems that the US intelligence community, in a
patriotic act that makes up for some of its earlier sins,
has prevented this by publishing its sensational report.

True, this week something happened that put on a warning
light. Some small Iranian boats were reported to have made
a provocative gesture against the powerful American
warships in the Strait of Hormuz.

That takes us right back to 1964 and to what has become
known as the "Gulf of Tonkin incident". President Lyndon
Johnson announced that Vietnamese vessels had attacked
American warships. That wss a lie, but it was enough for
Congress to empower the president to widen the war that
killed millions of people (and buried Johnson's career).

But this time the red light went out quickly. The US
Congress is not what it was, it seems that the Americans
have no stomach for another war, the historical parallel
was too obvious. Bush has been left without an option for
war. He has been left with nothing.

Apart from Olmert's flattery, of course.

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Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer, ex-soldier and advocate
for Palestinian rights.
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If I replace the 7Ah battery with a 200Ah battery how long will it take to charge the battery?

If I even connect 2 or 3 of them in parallel how many hours will it take to charge them?

@odapo,

Thanks. As discussed earlier, once the issue of charging time is agreed upon I will get one from him.

pnkydbrain:
1) The Nigerian Syndrome I talk about is making use of assumptions when facts are available

2) By the simple design of a voltage stabilizer, power cannot flow from output to the input

3) Two (24v 200AH will give out power of 9600WH, and one 48v 200AH will give out power of 9600WH

Just trying to give advice no harm meant

I believe it is more honorable to accept your mistake than to cover them up.

mecussey:
Re: Imported Inverters For Sale
« #23 on: January 17, 2008, 08:19 AM »

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I am planning in getting a 2.5 KVA inverter and 2 nos of 200AMPS deep cycle batteries for my house household. Please my question

Sorry could not paste all, your answer is calculate your load before you buy. 2.5Kva inverter can only carry your fridge and your electronics. The time it will last depends on the load you apply and the power of battery you use. Try this equation if you know physics P=IVT where P is the power of your inverter, IV is the power of the load you apply and T is time, mesured in Hours. Therefore, T=P/IV. If you apply 200watts of load to your 2.5kva inverter, the time the battery will die is 2500/200= 20hrs considering losses. therefore, your battery will last for 20hrs with 200watts of load. Give me your appliances, and I will tell you how many batteries you need and how long it will last

Where did you get 2500/20 = 20hrs? Where is the 2500 from and the result of that mathematics is not 20 hrs.

Diversification is key to success in life. From Microsoft to google to Dangote it is the same story.

www.justwebservices.com & www.justalternativepower.com for now, in the near future we shall be going into smart card development.

@nduaj,

The difference between N15k website and N200k website is not just about professionalism or hobby, after all how much do you get to pay for a website from yahoo or google?

Spoke to someone on phone 2 days ago and based on the requirements I charge N60k. The person came down to make payment but introduced other time consuming functionalities for the project and the dynamics changed, I took time to explain why N250k won't do the project.

The good thing is that based on questions, clarifications and suggestions the person still wants the project to carried out and expects a proposal today so as to effect payment accordingly.

Educate, advice and guide your clients properly, once they trust you the rest is easy. Honesty is also key. The person wanted a feature that I cannot handle based on the time frame and I made it clear. However, the person asked me how long will it take for me to handle that particular task myself and I asked for 100% increase in the time frame and the person agreed as long as no part of the project goes out of my control.

Bottom line is that more and more Nigerians are becoming aware of the internet and if you are good in what you do you will make a lot of money.

That said, diversification is necessary if you really need to make a lot of money but tapping into other viable markets.

Death penalty will be a natural and appropriate punishment for all the soldiers and officers involved in this wicked and shameful act.

Hmmm, how much is the 25kva and what is the DC voltage for the inverter?

pnkydbrain:
Hi All,

The Nigerian syndrome strikes again. It seems like nobody really has all the answers to a simply issues like the rating for an inverter. At this rate,I doubt if NEPA will improve in the next 10years.

How?

pnkydbrain:
1) The lower the current passing through a battery the longer its life span; In simple English, its better to use batteries in parallel, than in series.Two 24v,200AH batteries in parallel is better a 48v,200AH battery.

Your information is contradictory, check the statements above again and see if you believe they are correct.

pnkydbrain:
6) Never connect your inverter without a voltage stabilizer. Connecting without a stabilizer between NEPA and your home, may allow you to give your precious energy to other tenants. And if the have heavy loads on, someone's going to hear a loud bang.

The statement in bold is not correct. How can a stabilizer prevent one from sending power to anyone assuming you can do so?

my2cents:
Static or "unstatic" site, to me, they are all the same - they both involve my time and my time is very precious to me, be it 5 mins or 5 hours, but thatz just me.

Static website and dynamic website are the same? Well, what more can I say? If we cannot understand what it takes to setup a static website and a dynamic one then it is clear that we are not on the same page.

tundewoods:
The story told at the begining of this thread is a simple and quite explainatory one.The Dude stated that he charged a cleint 200K while the client offered to pay at first 15K but later offered 25K. He was willing to budge by giving 25% of his initial charge of 200K.

So, the client wanted to pay N25,000.00 from the initial N15,000.00

The developer stepped down from N200,000.00 to N50,000.00

Or is it N200,000.00 to N150,000.00? If positive then disregard the comments. below.

[s]Now, is cool now to charge N50,000.00 as against the original N200,000.00?

What some of us don't understand is that it is easy to prize yourself out of any project or at best a prospective client may see you as unprofessional if you are ready to come down from N200,000.00 to just N50,000.00.

As a client I will not give the project to the developer for allowing for such wide margin.

There is something called appropriate pricing and if done well clients will even pay you whatever you charge them without removing a kobo.[/s]

It is not what I say that matters it is what makes sense that matters.

There are websites (static websites) that can be developed for N20,000.00.

There are websites (database driven websites) that can be developed for millions of naira.

If you choose to do a N200,000.00 website for N20,000.00 website then it is your business.

The point is that we must realize that websites cost different amounts based on the list of deliverables, simple.

The problem with making statements that are unpopular on this forum is that those who cannot stand views that are not original to them will start throwing insults around.

Cost of web development

It is neither here nor there. It is about the value you bring to a web project.

My question is this - as web developers how much can we pay for our own websites assuming we needed to pay for them instead of developing them ourselves?

A lot of people I know that kept talking big in the web industry have since abandoned web development because they find it difficult to make money because they do not face reality.

With the level of internet appreciation in Nigeria I find it hard to understand why web developers expect the average person or company to pay hundreds of thousands of naira for a website.

Now, considering the fact that we do not have demanding applications out there (strictly speaking of majority of websites owned by Nigerians) I wonder why a company will give Mr A N200,000.00 to setup up a static website or one with one or two animations.

It is good to stand your ground on what you believe in but learn not to insult others simply because they differ.

I design N20,000.00 websites, I design N200,000.00 websites, I even setup some for free, it all boils down to the value you bring.

Show me a N200,000.00 website and let us see if it is worth it or if one can do it for more or for less.

People still build websites for millions of naira no doubt but we must remember that we have many web developers seeking very few clients so please look at issues critically and do what is best for you and your business, don't try to impress others or do things because others believe it is the way to go.

Companies like yahoo and google started small, I wonder where these companies would have been today if they were owned by Nigerians web developers. Maybe the free email or even free search tools would have been pegged at $5.00 per email or per search.

Sorry for the long post but we must begin to face reality in this web industry otherwise some of us will end up switching to other businesses very soon, trust me I have seen a lot of people that held similar "big man big talk" view disappear from the web business because people could and would not pay what they are asking for.

Good luck.

@my2cents,

Ok, I was surprised.

@tundewoods,

This is what happens when people don't understand issues, they turn to outright lies to support their erroneous claims. You believe outsourcing is the key to becoming a successful web businessman, I disagreed with the statement because outsourcing makes sense in some cases and don't make sense in others.

So, who is being factual and reasonable here.

It is a known fact that a lot of Nigerians don't like to be proven wrong and rather than try to get the facts on issues they just say anything and expect people to agree with them and when this don't happen they get angry.

Your position on outsourcing is flat wrong, that is the point I am making, as simple as that.

@smartsoft,

I should change my mindset so that I sit down from morning till night waiting for other web developers to outsource jobs to me, is that it? No, thanks, my mindset right now won't give room for such bad strategy.

Is it not funny that the likes of tundewoods believe that outsourcing is good because they outsource projects they cannot handle inhouse to others where as the likes of smartsoft believe that outsourcing is good because they expect other developers to outsource jobs to them.

Breaking things down again, is it the domain name registration, web hosting plan, database, web programming, web design, or testing that should be outsourced considering the fact that almost all the tools necessary to complete the tasks above are already being handled by different companies?

What do web developers do in reality if you take away design, programming, setting up a database and testing? Is applying your skill on what you know well now wrong simply because some believe you should outsource even when those you are supposed to outsource to do not possess the skills you have inhouse?

In the final analysis people don't make money by claiming to make money, they do make make, those that brag and talk big will as usual turn around to accuse others of doing same, what a shame.

my2cents:
Based on this article, Nigeria may be officially adopting this measure

http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/business/article02//indexn2_html?pdate=170108&ptitle=Nigeria%20moves%20to%20become%20ICT%20outsourcing%20destination

@my2cents,

Are you really serious about your statement above? Did you really read the Guardian article well?

The problem we face as a people is that a lot of people that know little about issues make the most noise and when you come down to the basics they disappear.

There is basically no tangible point in the article to link Nigeria with any plan to make it an outsourcing destination. I have attended meetings where top executives talk pure nonsense about IT, thinking that by using technological jargons they will be making sense.

The 2 companies/agencies trying to harmonize their activities since some of them overlap is certainly not the same as outsourcing.

@tundewoods,

Now one begins to wonder who is suffering from inferiority complex when you imagine that foreign exposure is necessary for someone, I really pity you.

People like you argue over nothing and in the end will agree with what you may have spent time arguing about.

Maybe it's your level of intelligence that is the problem otherwise I cannot still figure out why anyone would have any problem with my position on this issue that outsourcing works in some cases and does not work in others.

If your level of reasoning is what foreign exposure offers then you would have been a better man had you not left Nigeria at all. Trust me I don't belong to the group you can fool with your meaningless rhetorics.

@smartsoft,

Can you please state your issue with me in a simple and clear statement as I honestly cannot make out with the issue is from your post?

tundewoods:
Simply as Akin alabi has stated in his post that "Outsourcing from a business perspective is a very smart thing to do".

I wonder why Afam has decided to take the job of John the Baptist to keep screaming in the wilderness about his reality oriented sermon and cry for earing respect and trust of clients by admitting what you can't so but can outsource.

I have keenly observed that people of your mindset can't afford to outsource,too bad but folks like the rest of us can.I wonder how that seems to offend you.

1. Outsourcing makes sense in some cases and don't make sense in others. - Fact

2. I never stated that outsourcing is a bad thing. - Fact

If the 2 statements above are facts I wonder what is eating tundewoods.

Now, tundewoods, are you a contractor, web developer or web designer?

You talk big all the time but I am yet to see a personal or a business website that relates to web development.

I have seen people like you that brag and talk big but in reality remain inconsequential from year to year.

Again, I never stated that outsourcing is bad. I still maintain that it does not work in all situations. At least you should base your silly remarks on facts and not what your think is reality.

Only an idiot would outsource what he/she can do as long as it makes economic sense to do so.

Leave Afam alone and carry your cross.

Great post.

Bottom line is you outsource services that you cannot handle in house as long as they make economic sense to do so.

sojioguns:
Hi all, I recently bought an inverter (pure sine wave) from a company called USG Technology in V/I and guess what? The engineers connected an a/c socket to the inverter even after I specifically told them to leave out all 15amp sockets. I installed a new a/c there and BOOM!! that was the end of the inverter. I called them up and they are denying that I pointed out that socket. Initially I said the best i could do was to split the repair cost 50-50 with their company. They agreed to this after admitting their fault. After remitting my own part to them and they kept my inverter for about 2 weeks, they call back to tell me my inverter cannot be repaired. And I am like, "who is supposed to pay for a replacement?" They bring up the issue of me not pointing out the socket again, which i think is really annoying. I have told them to return my inverter and refund my money that was meant for the repair. This is really sad that a corporate body can do such a thing and leave me with a burnt inverter and not even care. WHAT DO I DO NOW? Anyone that can check the inverter out? I would really like to sue their asses. This is the kind of thing that will make me always want to buy stuff abroad, not minding the stress of shipping. STAY AWAY FROM USG TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!
N.B: The brand name of the inverter is Sukam.

It is the duty of the service provider to do the installation, however if you insist on doing it and something goes wrong you are on your own.

Get a reasonable and enforceable warranty, that's your only sure way of not getting disappointed.

For those with issues with charging or questions you may read the article titled "Inverter backup - Battery charger, the weakest link" at http://www.justalternativepower.com/article_view.php?aid=6

NB: Inverters are really not like regular electronics and for inverter backup systems to work well you must do a lot of things right. Walking into a shop and picking an inverter and hoping that it will deliver on all promises may not be the best way to provide a backup system.

Anyone thinking that solar technology will help provide electricity for any average home in Nigeria must be joking because it will be terribly expensive to do so.

Solar is cool, expensive and not what you think of when you are looking at replacements.

For small applications, yes but for typical homes unless you have a lot of money to spend/waste it does not make any economic sense, at least not now, maybe later.

@topic,

YES.