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Can you stop addressing me on this your tribal issues?

mrpataki:
Tell us what is your view on the topic, not raining invectives and infantile gobbledegook as it noted with your thousands of posts.

Why is my view important to you, slowpoke?

Well, since you want it (assuming you stupidly missed it earlier) I will make it clear to you.

1. Israel was not attacked in 1967 even though a lot of people (even on this forum) have been making such claims.

2. The US is a classical example of hypocrisy. They claim they are spreading democracy yet a democratically elected government in Palestine is not recognized. Instead they choose to deal with corrupt Farah government.

Next, slowpoke?

The contributions on 419 and energy were genuine because you agreed with them and any topic on Israel or US is not because you disagree with it.

The statement above captures your person as a whole and believe me you are simply a sycophant and a hypocrite put together.

It is people like you that cause problems in Nigeria because you will only say things you approve of and deny or hide anything that does not favor your thinking no matter how illogical or stupid your position is.

So, Afam started the insults on this thread? Do you have any shame at all? You lie without hesitation, I hope you don't train your children otherwise you will make them completely useless.

Kindly, go straight to hell with your advice that is based on sheer hypocrisy, sycophancy and bigotry, you stink to high heavens and people like you have no place in the world.

If you want to sing the praises of the US and Israel I am sure you know where the new topic button is on the forum, do you have to wait for someone to do it for you?

When some of us maintained that the selective fight against corruption in Nigeria was far better than no fight at all we were called names, today I am glad that even those that have been opposing the existence are coming to realize that ultimately Nigerians will be the winner because one person will remain in power forever.

OBJ's tenure and position in the scheme of things now should be a good teacher to those in power and those aspiring to get there.

chidichris:
afam, in your last two posts, i hailed u as a born again afam who has seen the light of truth but whatsoever is dragging u back to the muld will be rejected and resisted by all means.

Your quote above summarizes what I hate about people like you. Hypocrisy and sycophancy.

You praise people when they seem to agree with you on an issue and condemn them when they disagree with you on an issue.

I feel like throwing up whenever I read such nonsense.

I am sure the day I agree with you that Palestinians deserve to be killed by Israeli soldiers everyday, that Bust is the most intelligent president, that OBJ is a devil or that all Arabs are not human beings is the day you will continue to your praise.

I don't need your praise, I don't need anything from you. All I demand from you is that you have respect for truth and facts, simple. And by doing so you will be doing yourself a lot of good, it is not even in my own interest but in your own interest.

Hypocrisy is bad and should be avoided.

Enough of the sycophancy please.

Truth will not kill you. Why are you afraid of it?

texazzpete:
@Afam
Bush made silly comments, you guys go apeshit all over them. Ahmedinejad and Chavez make silly comments and you feel obliged to defend them?

It is the hypocrisy that I am bothered about.

Can you reproduce the silly statements made by Ahmedinejad and Chavez so that we will be clear on this issue before someone starts to compare them with Bush?

Is it not ironic and stupid that the same people that were crying about many mistakes or outright stupid remarks of Bush are here celebrating about 2 or 3 statements they consider funny or crazy?

If someone told Chavez to shut up then what Mandela said about Bush would have been a major hit but in reality we don't want to lose focus on the personalities of the leaders.

Bush, Chavez & Ahmedinejad.

Bush comes a distant last when compared to these men basically under any scenario and circumstance.

Before the thread is diverted to aid by the US make una try focus on wetin una start and stop dribbling like maradona.

@wendymanda,

Don't waste your time with naijaking1. He is a typical Mr-Know-It-All as you stated and this is not the first time he will be making a wrong statement and hoping that it will be accepted as a statement of fact.

To him, this issue is now about China's rapid development and/or what most of the people in the US think about China as if US is the world.

@naijaking1,

Can you define a 3rd world country? If yes, let's have it. If no, then shut the hell up.

dayokanu:
They all know how to look

to the other side when some countries are in trouble like Earthquake in Pakistan, Tsunami in Indonesia and Cyclone in Bangladesh but funding Hamas,

Hezballah, sending ammunition to Syria those are the thing Ahmedinejad uses his oil revenue to do. I can still remember how people suffered in Gaza when EU aid was

stopped when Hamas was voted into power, why didn't the rich Iran come to their aid but if its to fund terror they are always at hand to lend a helping hand in blowing up

Guess you were not following the news. Iran gave the Palestinians money and to begin with Palestine is not supposed to be dependent on aid if not for the wrong and crazy conditions the people of Palestine are made to live under.

presido1:
This does not make sence, since you know they have that oil no need making such statement. They have it thats why they make noise like wise US has money and military power hence they make noise as well. Its just like saying without money US will be like Nicaragua.

You have stated the obvious. I guess the young man is yet to come to terms with his style of reasoning as he dismisses everything he does not like and embraces everything he likes whether they make sense or not and this is dangerous.

Boy!!!!

Na wetin you say you read for school again?

Wetin you dey do for US when I go die and Ali Baba dem dey make all the money for comedy?

Guy, come back home, we need your comedy to add to what we currently have in the industry.

In fact, I go dey by your CD anytime to release one and I am sure that those that have noticed this inherent talent like Buluti will buy your CD too.

When are you coming back?

The rabbi has spoken. Always in support of the US and always against anything that does not expressly support the US.

@presido1,

Thanks for making clear what Chavez said as it makes it easy for every to understand the context.

somze:
Purist and Afam

I do not know what kind of appliances you use in your offices. That may be where the misunderstanding is from.

In a house with fridge, freezer, washing machine, water heaters, ACs, electronic kettles etc, see how much you can save in a day. I assure you N2000 will be spent in a day.

Its too expensive period, but again we don't use as much appliances anymore, instead we put on generator for washing and stuff. Still its expensive.

That is the whole essence of energy conservation, in the article I stated that almost all the appliances out there have energy efficient alternatives especially those based on energy saving technology. From microprocessors to plain DSP based machines the story is the same, energy provisioning and conversion are done more efficiently.

There are energy efficient ACs, I have seen freezers with power ratings at just 70W just as I have seen freezers with up to 1000W.

You failed to mention bulbs, even though single bulbs may just be 60W see what they come up to when you have about 10, 600W!!!

If someone should pay N2,000.00 a day even when power supply is not steady what will happen when you have steady power supply?

N2,000.00 a day comes to about N60,000.00 a month and about N720,000.00 A year.

With less that N5M you can setup a hybrid system (solar and wind turbine) that will make you forget PHCN at least for 10 years.

Again, using electricity for everything is not cost effective, you have cooking gas, regular stove etc that could reduce your overall cost of energy in your home.

Little mind. Someone peddling inverters in Alaba market is better than established scammers like you who survive by maintaining multiple identities online and offline.

You are a real idiot, did we really need any debt relief? Little wonder you can't survive unless you are engaged in what you know best, running scams. Don't worry sooner or later you will end up in jail as that is where your type belong, not on discussion forums.

@dayokanu,

For starters we don't need aid from anyone because we have more than enough money to take care of our needs.

Yes, I saw and heard Hugo Chavez last year and he was right in my opinion about Bush, he claimed Bush was spreading democracy using wars and he was right.

After all Hugo Chavez is helping a lot of americans access very cheap heating oil and of course the main stream media won't tell you this.

Stick to the issues or go rot in hell.

I don't expect clowns like you to see my comments on the thread, not with the very low level of reasoning you display here.

mrpataki:
Just that Fisks seems a bit more intelligent and honestly has his own beliefs.

Concentrate on Fisk's beliefs and his comments, Fisk was not discussing Afam and I am sure that no matter how stupid you are such should be clear enough.

From your many wrong statements you have clearly branded yourself a complete nonentity so it is not surprising that you run away from any serious issue and look for posts to focus on individuals.

1. Kva is not a product, slowpoke.

2. There is nothing like "Renewable technology for energy consumption, clown.

3. There is a difference between synthetic ethanol and bio-ethanol, olodo.

I guess what is best is for you to be sold off and the money realized used to by a bicycle or a good shoe, you are worthless as a human being.

babasin:
last time I checked, it was Bush the comedian with his world famous gaffes

You dey mind these jokers that cannot stand to face facts in their lives?

From my inbox, as the search for truth continues,

Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

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Editor's Note:

Folks, here is a particularly idiotic reader comment that
I thought I would reprint with a brief answer:

<<Why don't you just call this blog anti-Semite viewpoint?
Funny how the author never states Israel was decided by a
UN vote, Also, this author never states Israel was
attacked, not the attackers in '67. This is absolutely the
worst GopherCentral blog. This is moveon.org against the
Israelis. It must be sad to have that much hate in your
hearts as you do towards Israel.>>

The author of the above does not live in the real world. He
lives with the mythology of a mistaken history. First, to
be against Zionism or a "Jewish State" is like being against
a "white state", a black state, or any ethno-national
state. One is NTO a racist for opposing racist policies.
Viewpoint is steadfast against any national identity imbued
with race at its core.

Israel has race at its core, not religion. It does not
define being Jewish as a religious characteristic, but
a racial characteristic. That is why you can still be
considered a "Jew" in Israel and still be an atheist.
Israel defines "Jewishness" in ethnic, racial terms.
Therefore it stems from an ethno-national ideology like
fascism and Nazism.

Secondly, the author of the note COMPLETELY distorts
history when he says that Israel was ATTACKED in 1967.
This is a bald-faced lie. Even Israel admits it launched
a pre-emptive strike. For those that do not EXACTLY know
what a preemptive strike is, this means "striking BEFORE"
being attacked.

But the author uses a well worn Propaganda technique of
saying a lie, over and over again (see video clip) and
may eventually believe the lie. The author's entire
worldview might crumble if he would be able to absorb
true facts rather than historical mythology.

Now, back to our regular programming,

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Robert Fisk: Welcome to 'Palestine'
Published: 16 June 2007

How troublesome the Muslims of the Middle East are. First,
we demand that the Palestinians embrace democracy and then
they elect the wrong party - Hamas - and then Hamas wins a
mini-civil war and presides over the Gaza Strip. And we
Westerners still want to negotiate with the discredited
President, Mahmoud Abbas. Today "Palestine" - and let's
keep those quotation marks in place - has two prime
ministers. Welcome to the Middle East.

Who can we negotiate with? To whom do we talk? Well of
course, we should have talked to Hamas months ago. But we
didn't like the democratically elected government of the
Palestinian people. They were supposed to have voted for
Fatah and its corrupt leadership. But they voted for Hamas,
which declines to recognise Israel or abide by the totally
discredited Oslo agreement.

No one asked - on our side - which particular Israel Hamas
was supposed to recognise. The Israel of 1948? The Israel
of the post-1967 borders? The Israel which builds - and
goes on building - vast settlements for Jews and Jews only
on Arab land, gobbling up even more of the 22 per cent of
"Palestine" still left to negotiate over?

And so today, we are supposed to talk to our faithful
policeman, Mr Abbas, the "moderate" (as the BBC, CNN and
Fox News refer to him) Palestinian leader, a man who wrote
a 600-page book about Oslo without once mentioning the word
"occupation", who always referred to Israeli "redeployment"
rather than "withdrawal", a "leader" we can trust because
he wears a tie and goes to the White House and says all
the right things. The Palestinians didn't vote for Hamas
because they wanted an Islamic republic - which is how
Hamas's bloody victory will be represented - but because
they were tired of the corruption of Mr Abbas's Fatah and
the rotten nature of the "Palestinian Authority".

I recall years ago being summoned to the home of a PA
official whose walls had just been punctured by an Israeli
tank shell. All true. But what struck me were the gold-
plated taps in his bathroom. Those taps - or variations
of them - were what cost Fatah its election. Palestinians
wanted an end to corruption - the cancer of the Arab world
- and so they voted for Hamas and thus we, the all-wise,
all-good West, decided to sanction them and starve them
and bully them for exercising their free vote. Maybe we
should offer "Palestine" EU membership if it would be
gracious enough to vote for the right people?

All over the Middle East, it is the same. We support Hamid
Karzai in Afghanistan, even though he keeps warlords and
drug barons in his government (and, by the way, we really
are sorry about all those innocent Afghan civilians we are
killing in our "war on terror" in the wastelands of Helmand
province).

We love Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, whose torturers have not
yet finished with the Muslim Brotherhood politicians
recently arrested outside Cairo, whose presidency received
the warm support of Mrs - yes Mrs - George W Bush - and
whose succession will almost certainly pass to his son,
Gamal.

We adore Muammar Gaddafi, the crazed dictator of Libya
whose werewolves have murdered his opponents abroad, whose
plot to murder King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia preceded Tony
Blair's recent visit to Tripoli - Colonel Gaddafi, it
should be remembered, was called a "statesman" by Jack
Straw for abandoning his non-existent nuclear ambitions -
and whose "democracy" is perfectly acceptable to us because
he is on our side in the "war on terror".

Yes, and we love King Abdullah's unconstitutional monarchy
in Jordan, and all the princes and emirs of the Gulf,
especially those who are paid such vast bribes by our arms
companies that even Scotland Yard has to close down its
investigations on the orders of our prime minister - and
yes, I can indeed see why he doesn't like The Independent's
coverage of what he quaintly calls "the Middle East". If
only the Arabs - and the Iranians - would support our kings
and shahs and princes whose sons and daughters are educated
at Oxford and Harvard, how much easier the "Middle East"
would be to control.

For that is what it is about - control - and that is why
we hold out, and withdraw, favours from their leaders. Now
Gaza belongs to Hamas, what will our own elected leaders
do? Will our pontificators in the EU, the UN, Washington
and Moscow now have to talk to these wretched, ungrateful
people (fear not, for they will not be able to shake hands)
or will they have to acknowledge the West Bank version of
Palestine (Abbas, the safe pair of hands) while ignoring
the elected, militarily successful Hamas in Gaza?

It's easy, of course, to call down a curse on both their
houses. But that's what we say about the whole Middle East.
If only Bashar al-Assad wasn't President of Syria (heaven
knows what the alternative would be) or if the cracked
President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad wasn't in control of Iran
(even if he doesn't actually know one end of a nuclear
missile from the other).

If only Lebanon was a home-grown democracy like our own
little back-lawn countries - Belgium, for example, or
Luxembourg. But no, those pesky Middle Easterners vote
for the wrong people, support the wrong people, love the
wrong people, don't behave like us civilized Westerners.

So what will we do? Support the reoccupation of Gaza
perhaps? Certainly we will not criticise Israel. And we
shall go on giving our affection to the kings and princes
and unlovely presidents of the Middle East until the whole
place blows up in our faces and then we shall say - as we
are already saying of the Iraqis - that they don't deserve
our sacrifice and our love.

How do we deal with a coup d'état by an elected government?

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So,while we are at this search for truth can anyone categorically state that Israel was attacked in 1967? Or, as the author states Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against its Arab neighbors just as the US did in the illegal invasion of Iraq based on lies?

@nigeria1,

I have not seen anyone in my life that is as tribalistic as you are. Or, do you imagine that Hausa presidents must appoint Hausa ministers? Is that your line of reasoning?

nigeria1:
i have not finish with my calculation, coming.

I thought as much, can't wait to see the concluding part of your calculation.

@davidylan,

You problem is a comprehension limited one and there is nothing anyone can do to help you. You can only help yourself if you so desire.

Don't worry about my ego, it is my problem, face and handle yours because you are a complete disappointment in terms of your thought process and level of reasoning. So, don't worry about others as you have a mountain of basic problems you need to overcome.

I-man:
If Afam no mention Israel and the US,im never start to contribute

And if you don't see Israel and the US you never contribute.

davidylan:
One of the "realities on ground" is that Yar Adua had threatened at some point to declare an emergency in the energy sector.

Guy, it is obvious that you are in unfamiliar terrain - it seems you lose your voice anytime threads are not laden with insults and abuses.

Sometimes it is better not to contribute than to contribute nonsense. Take some time out and try to find out the relevance of your post above.

nigeria1:
i have nothing against george bush, he had problem in his youth and he over come it . that is a success.

Problem? What kind of problem?

If by your standards he is a success who then is a failure?

@nigeria1,

Please, arrange for you and anyone that thinks like you to leave Nigeria.

I will advice you to focus on the issues and leave Afam alone.

I am not here to make friends nor to seek praises otherwise I will be busy on friendster.com or myspace.com, I discuss anything I want to discuss and in doing so I have utmost respect for facts.

I am not a blind supporter of anyone or any nation like some of you here who will be ready to wage a war if any wrong doing by US or Israel is pointed out.

So, stop advising me and instead take advantage of the advice because you are one of those people that easily abuse others when they disagree with you.

On the topic, you stop stop making ridiculous statements like "Nigeria does not have energy or power" or that "there is nothing to conserve" because you are very very wrong and such comments are indeed misleading to anyone that is not aware of the reality on ground.

It is this type of misinformation that caused a lot of bad blood on issues concerning Muslims, Christians, Israel, Palestine, US, Arab etc so stick to facts and have respect for truth. That is the only way discussions can be meaningful and useful.

For those that see power at all conserve.

For those that don't see power at all (like your folks in Enugu) wait for generation and transmission.

Case closed. I guess this is simple enough.

naijaking1:
Let's talk about energy conservation when we have energy or power available.

Until then, I'm afraid we would be beating about the bush.

You are the one beating about the Bush because energy conservation is what a lot of people are going into today especially those using prepaid meters.

It is yeilding immediate benefit and please stop talking as if there is no power supply, such simplistic and wrong statement should be reserved for idiots that are always scared of the facts on ground.

Your hypocrisy is stinking to high heavens, good luck.

And these stupid foreign companies will keep offering bribes only to turn around to say that corruption is high in Nigeria.

Companies like these should be shown the way out while the government officials should be jailed for life if death penalty seems too harsh for now.

texazzpete:
@Everyone
Can we call a truce on this one and focus on the issues pertaining to Sudan and Darfur? We're african and sudan is an african country, the people of Darfur are black just like us. If it comes up that China is a major player in the continuation of violence, we must direct our ire there. it does no good to rope in the US or Israel at the moment in this topic.

My dear, I find it hard to understand why you always oppose anything against the US and you are here advising that we focus our attention on China for trying to protect its interests, something that is clearly wrong, as wrong as what the US keeps doing in the middle east with its constant support for Israel.

It is important for the world to see the hypocrisy and sycophancy being displayed here.

However, if we must not involve the US then we should as well not mention China unless double standard is what you prefer.