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eph12:
I mean I can convince myself that this transfer is the deal because of his past attributes. I haven't really followed Cavani in the last 2 years to know if he's still got it.

He has barely played due to countless muscle injuries. 8 injuries in 2 years.

This will either go the Falcao way or the Zlatan way.

raumdeuter:
Guardiola on Bielsa

https://www.instagram.com/p/CF5WKCCoIIj/?igshid=1lrufeflp7b1a

Total respect

There are 2 people Pep worships. Cruyff and Bielsa.

codedguy1:
I swear, the way those guys just dart about a CB can even confuse the passer

Like they just disappear and appear, ready to shoot

That Cavani peel out na 10 unit course. That is the reason he was so prolific despite being fairly wasteful in front of goal.

Currently I see Lewandowski with very good movement as well but not as good as prime Cavani. However he beats Cavani in almost everything else.......especially finishing.

engrelvis:
OK.for lampard I think Abramovich is behind d whole deal.lampard is to identify. Cavani is old .At dat age is all about d Benjamins.

If it was Abramovic (or even Marina) I am sure you don’t expect Ole to be the one doing the same job at United.

You guys dilute your message when you start accusing him of things that are definitely not his fault.

I have been on record as saying Lampard is a better manager than Ole (he is at least a better trainer IMO, not sure about tactics).

I don’t rate Ole much as a tactician and he is probably a worse trainer than he is a tactician.

However he is not the one negotiating the fine details of deals with other clubs.

He is not the one negotiating the large contracts our players sign making them unsellable when they flop.

There are enough Ls to go around. Address the appropriate L to the right person.

eph12:
Nothing is guaranteed. Even Sancho delivering is not guaranteed. We can make a case that Cavani of days past is a better striker than Martial

Make a case ke?

What has Martial achieved? Forget all that trolling of Cavani for missing chances, which is valid to a point.

We can make a case that Cavani’s off the ball movement is the best in football over the last 10-15 years. Prime Cavani’s movement, especially the way he peels off the CB at an angle should be taught at University level.

Cavani and Falcao. That is the shortlist. Difference was Falcao was a much better finisher.

engrelvis:
Besides issues of money ,d coach in charge of a top club determine to some extent caliber of players dat will come.A rookie coach like Ole can't really attract quality players except d money is really good.young players (good ones)want an experience coach dey can learn from. I dnt believe lbra would v come to man UTD if ole was in charge.if coach like Anceloti, pep etc was here l dnt believe we will b ving dis kind of transfer problems.

This post is not based on fact. Which player are we having problems convincing because of our coach?

Sancho has already agreed but his club does not want to sell at the price we want.

Cavani has also agreed but his greedy brother wants plenty agent fees. This was the reason his Atletico deal broke down and their coach is the great Simeone.

Reguilon had agreed but Madrid wanted buy back clause.

Telles has agreed but his club wants extra money.

This problem is because of our negotiating team. Ole has his own flaws (poor tactician, mediocre trainer) you don’t have to ascribe other people’s problems to him as well.

Point fingers at Woodward’s university roommate Matt Judge who can’t close deals smartly.


Chelshit that closed their deals for Ziyech, Werner, Havertz, Thiago what seems like months ago was because of how much Lampard has achieved as a manager, abi?

GloryIsaac:
Ousmane Dembélé has told MUFC he will join before October 5 if they offer him a long-term contract. It is thought an offer of £65m would be enough to secure him [times]

Long term deal ke? Dembele wants to finesse us.

He is probably a top 3 talent amongst the young players in the world but the reports and rumors are full of red flags.

1) Misses training often, and when he attends he is usually late.

2) Does not sleep on time and spends all night playing PS4.

3) Bad eating habit. Lots of unhealthy snack eating.

4) Always injured. Possibly as a result of the 3 aforementioned points.

The guy has had 8-9 muscle injuries missing 84 games in the last 3 seasons. That is 28 games per season.

nitrogen:
I am indifferent. I only have issues with the manager. Have you seen me abuse any of our players before? I can count the number of times i have done that. Ibra was how old? we all saw how effective he was..........so, no wahala at all!

Of course I know that. Read my post again.

You just made that your initial post in order to come back in a few months and defend Woodward and his roommates and further criticize Ole in case things go south for Cavani.

elrony:
You mean apari na parapo man?

When you move from Barca B to 1st team within 1 year to be coaching Messi, Ronaldinho, Xavi, Etoo et al you suppose know say local connection dey involved.

elrony:
The way you like geriatric pensioners ala mercenaries tho

Lol. You no even get the idea. It is not about liking geriatrics.

He is just preparing soft landing ground in case Cavani flops. He will now come back and quote his post of today and say “ I said it, I knew they would complain”.

I just read his post and laughed at his Warri sense.

Panic buying a soon to be 34yr old striker who has had 8 muscle injuries in the last 2 seasons does not show any planning at all.

Na only wuruwuru to the answer Woodward and his university roommates sabi.

Panther7:
That is why he is yet to win any trophy in his managerial career
Even pep wey be his student dey flexible

Plus Pep use man know man to coach teams loaded with great talents.

Ole should just secretly DM Bielsa for tips.

Panther7:
I like their system of 3-3-1-3 but!!! It leaves them too open especially when you invade their press, it's almost like their Midfield is non existent. They will probably win matches by outscoring the opponent but they will concede so many goals.
Beisla needs to be pragmatic with his approach and be flexible this Na EPL oo
All in all they are the only small team that can actually play out from the back even United no reach them for that aspect.

Bielsa will never abandon his principles. He is a football romantic and purist.

He is a proud football genius who knows only one way.

Panther7:
Mehh this Leeds are well coached

Bielsa is sort of a mentor to Pep na. He is probably the only living person Pep listens to when it comes to football tactics.

Look at the Mendy dey were hyping. Lol

elrony:
We, the youth team fans are happy. (Y'all should enjoy your first team shit storm)

Cc Afrodoc2

Yes o. Kambwala/Mengi partnership in 2 years loading.

Shame to bad people.

Gawd! See Pickford again.

This Pickford na mumu.

England's no1.

Sancho is trying to force a move. Dortmund might not blink however.

nitrogen:
I have heard you. This wahala started in the year the Glazers took over. Everybody (the press, fans, supporters, even David and Fergie) did not like them one bit. Fergie just came to the office one day, and resigned! no succession plan, despite the fact that he was with the club for over 2 decades. He now recommended Moyes, so the world can say 'yes, we told you'.......also Gill left at the same time so things can crumble.....

There is nothing wrong in sacking a manager, appointing another one, spending heavily to replace 4-5 players and hoping for trophies, if no trophies, then rinse and repeat! Nothing wrong at all, because other clubs do it, and it's working for them!

You are creating an argument in your mind and now coming to meet me to argue it. I am not arguing whether or not we should sack a manager.

My question is why are Woodward, Arnold, Judge immune from being sacked or even criticized?

If one considers that all these comical transfer windows came under their stewardship.

They appointed these useless managers.

They bought these non-performing players and offered them huge salaries, making them unsellable.

Even you once said Woodward was not smart when it comes to contract negotiations.

At what point do we point fingers at them as well.

Sacking and appointing managers at will is no guarantee of success if there is no planning.

AC Milan, Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid (in the pre-Simeone years) will teach you this.

The problem is not the sacking of managers but the sacking and appointment of managers without a plan.

4 consecutive managers with 4 different football philosophies should tell you there is no plan.

nitrogen:
Doc. First, regarding our transfers, I think you should ignore the media. They are just trying to make the narrative sound believable. Second, i think you should agree that they've been buying players since Fergie left, so what's the issue with our transfer process? Third, it's not transfer issues that is affecting us, it's the fact that we keep walking and talking DNA.......we are so used to the Fergie era, and we are not ready to move on!

I don’t listen to the media. You can go back to 2013/2014 on this thread. I was criticizing Woodward even before it became fashionable to do so.

My views and opinions are mine. It is not about just buying players but having a plan and going about it smartly.

Inter Milan and AC Milan usually buy 7,8 players every season but we all know there is no plan to it hence their long term struggles.

nitrogen:
Well, that is how it works. Execs dont get sacked easily, managers and players leave. Meanwhile, if you sack the three of them, our commercial side will suffer, and there is no assurance that out football side will pick up. Do you want to go through both issues at the same time? We might just be competing with relegation bound clubs within 2 years.

Meanwhile, Woody and Arnold dont negotiate, you can turn your attention to Matt, he takes his time. Only issue is, if you sack him, and put a football person, nothing will change, particularly with transfers.

We need to understand 2 things: we dont need a football person before we can get it right because most successful clubs dont. Also, we need to continue to sack managers for us to win trophies because most successful clubs do it!

So we should continue sacking the managers but we shouldn’t sack any of those 3 university roommates?

Even though we struggle with transfer negotiations and make a mockery of the process the people who are most directly responsible for this should continue with their jobs?

What a makanaki something.

So Man Utd now depend on Matt Judge for stability.

Omo see camera angle for under-18s against Man City. E be like say the camera man lie down for ground. Resemble that shameful Naija match.

nitrogen:
Hmmmmm, I am not saying we should get a SAF, I am saying that we should continue to sack and hire. That's working for many clubs. The managers and players that will come and go, most times, the executives and directors stay.



Again, the managers and players that will come and go. Also, Sacking Arnold, Judge and Woodward at the same time will destabilize the club. Number one, they've been with the club for years, secondly, the commercial side is booming even though we are going through some issues on the pitch, it's the commercial side that makes us stay afloat, finally, do you know what it will take to replace them? One thing I would suggest is to see if Matt can be replaced with a football person, but if you do that, then who negotiates? because a football person may not be able to negotiate and close tranfers o.

I don't get you. Are you saying that despite all the comical transfer windows we have all witnessed, and despite all the sacking and appointment of managers not working Judge, Arnold, Woodward have been excellent and none of them bears any responsibility in the position the club is in now?

Are you saying it is the fault of LVG, JM, Moyes, Ole only even though none of them was here for more than 2-3 years but Arnold, Judge, Woodward who have been here for an average of about 10 years have no share in this blame cake?

Why do we need 3 money men who all went to school together and who are obviously struggling with transfer negotiations? Why don't you want our transfer windows to be better organized and executed?

Why are you so quick to sack coaches after 1-2 seasons but still want to keep transfer negotiators who are currently the laughing stock of Europe in office for several years?

nitrogen:
Well, they kept the 'working' system until 2015 or so, Woody was in charge of everything till they made Matt the 'director of fooball'. Matt gets a list from the manager, secures approvals from the CEO and Woody, before going ahead to negotiate and close the deals.

Okay but now that it is obvious that this system is not working you don't want them sacked?

nitrogen:
But we tweaked the system after David left, because he had all the powers (negotiations, approving etc.). Now we have Matt, Arnold and Woody. Either systems are used by top football clubs in Europe. Not all leading clubs have 'football' directors, and very few football directors knew stuffs about football before joining.

Come to think of it, the combo of David Gill and Fergie worked because Fergie was a very good manager, and David was excellent even though he had no footballing experience but a good manager. See why the manager role is key.

If you are banking on getting another manager like SAF easily instead of improving your system you might just be on a long thing.

We have sacked and appointed 4 different managers now, each one with a style different from the others, but there has been no real improvement.

Why don't you want us to sack Arnold, Judge, Woodward and see if there will be an improvement. After all they are the only constants in this era of mediocrity of the club.

nitrogen:
But we tweaked the system after David left, because he had all the powers (negotiations, approving etc.). Now we have Matt, Arnold and Woody. Either systems are used by top football clubs in Europe. Not all leading clubs have 'football' directors, and very few football directors knew stuffs about football before joining.

Come to think of it, the combo of David Gill and Fergie worked because Fergie was a very good manager, and David was excellent even though he had no footballing experience but a good manager. See why the manager role is key.

So are you saying we changed a system that was working for a system that does not work?

nitrogen:
But David Gill knew nothing about football. He was also a banker and a chartered accountant before he joined man Utd. In fact, he joined as a finance director before working his way up.

So, you wanna tell me why knowing ‘football side of things’ is needed for those roles?

cc afrodoc

David Gill had the ultimate equalizer which was Sir Alex Ferguson. That is the difference.

It is clear to most of us now that SAF was able to make a broken system work. There is no SAF now which means the broken system has to be fixed.

We won because of SAF DESPITE our outdated system of running the club. If you can't understand this then i can't help you.

P.S Your stance would have made sense only if the Woodward, Judge, Arnold combo had brought on the field success. But it has not, and yet you want us to persist with the same system despite it being clear that it is not working.

We keep changing player after player and manager after manager YET the only people who have remained in position since our struggles started should not be questioned, at least according to you.

I don’t know why people are so agitated. This level of incompetence is not new to Woodward and his boys.

Have you guys forgotten 2013 and 2014 seasons and the mysterious men in black suit that travelled to Spain?

Just read that Woodward the CEO, Matt Judge the transfer boss/head of corporate development, and Richard Arnold the Group MD all went to university together.

So what you have is a group of 6 to 7 people (including the active Glazers) all of them with zero prior experience in football and probably zero prior interest in football as well.

They are all money men ( businessmen, bankers, accountants) who are interested solely in the books and have no idea how to go about the football side of things. This is why the decision making at the club is so poor in terms of footballing matters.

Any reasonable owner would have either taken Woodward completely off the football part of the decisions by now and/or sacked his campus friends.
The Glazers are complicit in this not only because they allowed the squad to be weakened in previous years but because they allowed these inept people to continue running (or ruining) our transfers and contract negotiations.

olabode89:
Solid inputs as always!

Bernard is looking like them typical youngsters that got into academy football mainly as a result of early physical progression. I hope he is able to have a career with a lower EPL or a Championship team in the future.

Harvey Neville and Ercollani are very poor, especially Ercollani, It is painful watching Ercollani play.

Hehehe. When i saw Ercolani i almost fainted. What is that old man still doing here? It can't even be good for his football development to still be here.

Consider that he is being benched and shifted to playing fullback because of a player like Fish who was at least 2 sets behind him.

Lana1:
I can already see United fans starting a "Fish FC" movement for the guy in a couple of years.

LOL. What i like about his game is his maturity. The first time i saw him for the Under 18s he was 15 and was playing alongside Mengi and he played like a much older player.

He is decent and is taller than Mengi even though he doesn't have Mengi's athleticism and speed reserve.

olabode89:
In the first half, he made a Van Dijk like tackle, got the ball with the ease and left the attacker helpless on the floor.

Fish and Mengi were very good together at Under-18 level. I liked that combo because they both played with physicality. Bernard is slightly older than them and more stylish on the ball but he was prone to the odd error now and then.

His occasional errors plus the fact that he joined the club relatively late mean that he has to work much harder than both Mengi and Fish if he wants to make it here.