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donjazet:
Our points align together exactly, on this issue. Nice one Doc.

My chairman. Me sef dey read books to understand na.
No be only you.

Lol all of una no well.

That would be a litmus test sha.

M16 rifle vs otumokpo ring.

Nihilist so na all these yankee boys carry lead?

Mehn, that’s TOUGH.

nihilistjnr:
Doc white people owned blacks in UK too.

Racism will never go away. You can't force people to like you. I'm not interested in trying to get people to like me.

Infact, I actually don't care about racial prejudice at all.

My own angle is that there MUST be systems in place to prevent you from acting on your dislike for me.

That way you can go on hating me from now till tommorow...as long as you cant carry a gun and shoot me, ko kan aye!

You can't be complaining that olopa are responding with disproportionate force in a country where any random 100 people have 120 guns between them.

You can't complain that police are doing too much when they work in a country where there were 15000 murders in one year and 10000 of the victims were shot to death.

Police will always escalate the violence. They are not paid much, and any simple interaction with the public is a life or death situation for them, because everybody has guns in America

On this thread alone, Raumdeueter has shown us his two guns. kimbeast has a pistol. I think roland17 is packing. Those are the Yankee regulars here and it's a 100% rate of gun ownership

In the UK, black people are still fighting racism, but in a different way - we're fighting to break the glass ceiling, we're fighting to be present in white dominated boardrooms and offices, we're fighting for better standards of living.....what we're not doing, is fighting to stay alive in the same way they do in Yankee.

We're not fighting to dodge police bullets. We're not being killed in the streets the same way they kill us in Yankee.

It's not because the police are less racist. Like I pointed out, a police internal report actually described the police in UK as institutionally racist.

We must focus on systems rather than people. You can't force people to like you, but you can create systems to discourage them from acting on that dislike.

Good points. It’s a very complex issue that I don’t think has a simple solution.
I actually agree with you in terms of tackling systems rather than people that is why i talked about police, prison, economic and social reforms.

One thing though, you can’t compare the black slavery that took place in the USA to that of any European country including the UK.
Not in terms of duration, extent, or cultural and economic significance.

seankafor:
https://www.nairaland.com/5897322/livinus-elem-uwa-vera-uwailas

What is the point of this rubbish you just posted here?

So if a girl uses your head and collects money from you the next thing to do is rape her and kill her?

Meanwhile i am hearing that Majek Faskek is dead.

RIP Majek Fashek.

nihilistjnr:
No doubt doc, no doubt.

But like I believe you have also said before, GUNS are also a huge inflammatory factor.

Police in UK were described as institutionally racist by itself after an internal investigation into the Stephen Lawrence case.

But we don't get the same level of violence here, because the police don't walk around with guns for the most part, and the criminals have relatively little access to guns as well.

Arrest situation is a less tensioned affair than in Yankee, when the olopa isn't thinking that the guy is going to arrest is packing an AK, whilst the guy beeing arrested knows the olopa coming for him is only carrying kondo and pepper spray.


I guess what I'm trying to say is that racism itself is not enough explain some of these egregious displays of police brutality in America.

Blacks are oppressed everywhere in western world, but the way and rate at which they die in Yankee suggests that racism, systematic damage, etc are in themselves not enough to explain why black people in Yankee are being used for target practice.

I think it is a combination of things. You are right when you say that the gun culture in the USA makes the society a more violent one and makes every police stop a potentially fatal interaction.

However one can’t afford to dismiss the racial element. The per capita stats comparing white to black casualties, the increasingly common videos, and the anecdotal reports all lead to one conclusion: Blacks are being unfairly targeted.

There is racism everywhere but the USA has the most wide spread, most entrenched and the most recent slavery culture in the world. This culture is the bedrock of their racism. “Our slaves can’t be our equals”.

Only 160yrs ago whites still owned blacks the same way they owned their cattle and horses.

They even fought each other in a bloody war that cost the most in terms of American lives, for their right to still own blacks as property.

Heck, only a few decades ago white civilians lynching African-Americans for little or no reason was still common place in certain parts of the USA.


Advocacy, moral suasion, policy changes, social justice reforms, police reforms, prison and judicial reforms, economic reforms, even effective affirmative action. These are the things needed to balance the equation, and it won’t all be fixed in one day.

A system that has been in place for 400yrs won’t change in a few years unless by violent revolution.

nihilistjnr:
Nigerian have heard so many jokes about police violence and brutality, because it IS the reality.

Any where there is police, police brutality must follow. The chances for brutality increase when the police have guns.

Before we start speculating about what could have been, let's not forget the facts...the guy resisted arrest, threatened to fight a police officer, and then tried to run...and all of this during a high-testeterone arrest involving dogs and helicopter.

Any ak with hot head can decide to teach the guy a lesson.

The real lesson here is that we should cooperate with cops during an arrest situation. It might not protect you from racism, but the odds are a lot better

Very good point. I have had 1 stop for not having my headlights on and a couple of breathalyser stops, and in all cases I co-operated with them. You make some valid points which would have been strengthened if this case was an isolated one. Unfortunately however, this is just another piece of the mosaic of police brutality on a particular people which social media has slowly but surely assembled before our very eyes.

It is easier for us to have that kind of Omoluabi reasoning when engaging the cops. It is another thing for a people that have been oppressed to unbelievable levels for generations by these same cops and the power structure they represent.
There are echoes of generational hurt in the resistance (which is often token by the way) that you see from some (not even all) of these black guys when they are stopped by cops.

Leyqute:
Nihi I get what you are saying and see your logical point.

But consider this- all thinngs being equal (gang buster, threatening others, etc) do you think that guy will be treated that way if he was white?

Exactly. These guys have become experts at subtle (and not so subtle) ways of dehumanizing a person.
When you kneel on a person's neck for more than 2 minutes after he has become unresponsive, when you amateurishly try to pull a dog's fangs off another man's leg despite knowing the command sound/word that can make the dog disengage immediately.


You have a combination of sadism and racism at work here. Too many low IQ, mentally unstable, sadistic white men are being accepted into the police. These policemen are just the armed tip of the iceberg of racism that permeates American society. There are many others like them who luckily do not have the legal backing of the state to use black men as point and kill.


Lastly, what we have to understand is that the culture of racism in a country like America with its legacy of industrialized black slavery is a bit different from what one would find in the UK, Canada, Australia or any other Western country.

nihilistjnr:
I 100% agree with you that it was police brutality.

What I'm saying is I dont think it was motivated by race.

The guy is on parole for gun charges. He's literally just come out of jail for running around with guns.

The police then get a report that a man that went to jail for running around with guns is threatening people with guns....which could explain why they came tensed up.

When I watched the full video, these people came with a police chopper in the air, and they blocked 2 streets.

They came in tension mode. If you see that at least 3 olopa came to arrest only you with dog and helicopter support, then if they say kneel down you should kneel down and not drag with them.

Again not justifying the force. Just looking at things in context.

Race was a major factor.

This likely only happens to a white guy if he attacks them or poses a major threat.

For a black guy attacking them and posing a threat in such a situation is almost certain death.

What has become clear and is undeniable over the years is that (at least for America) the thresholds for violent action by the police are very different for white and black people.

That should not be the case.

See surgical excision.

iamoyindamola:
That man just they give people reason to doubt him, it's obvious there will be more babies because husband and wife are in lockdown.
Even a blind man will see through that

There is no doubt in my mind about him.

Andrew Phillips and Donatus. Tom and Jerry.

chic2pimp:
Yup!....A mini one at Peckham yesterday and a Larger one at Trafalgar Square today. We are showing solidarity with our neighbours right over the pond.

There is an ongoing protest in Berlin too.

I just really hope the protesters outside the US keep it peaceful.

It is alright to protest in solidarity but looting would make especially no sense in those places.

What a penkelemes

iamoyindamola:
Na that lordcat own weak me, with all his mouth he couldn't pay. I backed out on a bet with him because he went on calling his fellow scummies to witness bet of 100k in-between 3 years

Lordcat was my guy but e phuck up. Because na faceless forum no mean say you go dey renege on that kind agreement.

BlueRayDick:
Weak was an understatement......

I just later decided to use the bet troll him since I Don see say alaye no get any shishi to pay.....each time I read his response I just laugh out loud

The thing initially vex me. People like that go everly wound cos you can be sure that he does that in real life I.e bet on events that he can’t afford to pay for if he loses.

Those guys wan dirty United fans name but their otumokpo no reach.

iamoyindamola:
And the guy was everywhere making mouth and threatening blueraydick not to run with his money...lol

Na dat time I respect Blueraydick. Me no get forgiving spirit like that.

BlueRayDick:
Na Dozie onigbese dey owe me

Una wealthy scummies no carry una people along at all

That Dozie own was comical. The guy confess sharp sharp say e no get money.

I sure say you sef weak.

People are demonstrating in London too?

Last last na this George Floyd matter go end all the isolation and lockdown measures?

Victornezzar:
Where's Weedtaker

He should come and carry us to page9000

Will you settle his debt for him?

larride:
Obiano will definitely make us proud.

He is a smart guy. He has already penetrated deep into Aussie society and is on top of things going on around him.

larride:
Them don settle Obaino matter. No be ordinary eyes. Baba go with jazz ni.

The kind agro wey those babes go get now after Corona lockdown I pity Obaino.

ManBeast:
Ultimate Warrior,

I don't know how this man stilll has the strength to wrestle after the marathons he does before entering the ring.

Lol. Reminds me of when Ultimate Warrior sped into the ring and beat the Honky Tonk Man in 40 seconds at SumerSlam.

odizeey:
Inside life. Happy Sunday. Gunners. Una go experience championa league victory like this?
World go soon end o.

Better port

You will notice that Arsenal has a high proportion of born again people.
They want God to rapture them away from this earthly suffering. It is known.

Expert17:
Emirate Champions league

Thanks bruv. So na dis trophy sod dey shame to show me?

Spy360:
I wasn't talking to you Mr.

T
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donjazet:
You are dangerous
I see you.

I just want to deescalate the place. I saw this coming but egungun wey wan cross express go cross express.

But why do you like bringing people's fathers, mothers, and family names into debates here?

iamoyindamola:
Leave me alone I'm not in the mood, don't let us derail from the fight.
I'm sure nihilist won't let this slide

Au contraire, my friend. I expect him to let this slide because the diagnosis is clear, and there is no cure. Any response would be in the realm of "the operation was a success but the patient died".

iamoyindamola:
Tell me that when lingard reach his potential

Wetin we gain if Lingard never reaches his potential and Arsenal never wins the champion's league?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlfrQ9xZtzM

iamoyindamola:
I'm not spy, Everyman for his fvcking self

Hahahaha. You didn't know that one when you put condition?

So even the Arsenal intelligentsia could not bail Spy out.

A club with no champion's league receipts.

TOUGH!

elrony:
Abeg when I go come Australia?

Next year. Alternative is Minneapolis this year.