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modath:I have not tried that before but I do Plank to push up. I will try the plank row tomorrow and see how I will fare |
GenBuhari:No I am not crediting Shagari. I said 'credit to Buhari' ![]() In as much as Shagari's government was unarguably corrupt, he tried to reign the raging degradation but it was too late. If not Buhari Who? Let me get some food and I will answer you! |
nethacker:If you have loads to do and have the resources to do them, you only need time management to pull it off. then you will still come out better equipped. The stress is worse when you have only one assignment in two weeks and yet you are not able to log into any database to get info you end up copying wikipedia. I met a master's student who wrote up an assignment with web info like you get from Netdoctor and wikipedia and he thought there was no need for any references. Studying abroad is easier and easier and easier unless your 20 hours work is more important to you than your academic accomplishment. Lecturers want you to pass they do not want you to fail. They give tutorials before exams and tell you how to answer questions. Structure of questions are the same and they repeat questions every year so you fail because you are careless. No comparison at alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll! |
GenBuhari:Oh General How can come up with this arguments when you have seen the compelling evidence I gave to you? Did you read Nwaobi's excerpt? Nobody is applauding Shagari who actually messed up. But do not forget that Nigeria and indeed the world was under depression. After the oil boom and the burst that started in 1978 shagari came into the mix. The period between 1980 to 1983 was at the peak of the depression which continued till late 80s. Shagari stayed 3 years in office within this period (36 months) while Buhari spent 20 months. Depreciation under shagari was 40%(0.77-0.55)/0.55 = .22/.55=40% and not 50% my friend ![]() For Buhari= (.89-.77)/.77 = .12/.77 = 15.6% 40%/36months= 1.1% depreciation per month for Shagari 15.6%/20 months= 0.78% depreciation per month for Buhari. Buhari reduced the depreciation by (1.1-0.78)% = 0.32% a month. Credit to him? His fiscal control measures showed improved but they were described as short-run which did not halt underlying economic rot. As I said earlier, Buhari inherited austerity measure which was put in place by Shagari in 1983. You cannot argue that it was not responsible to the 0.32% reduction in dep. Nigerias debt was not paid off by Buhari. There was an ongoing debt reconciliation which started in 1983 and ended in 1988. The debt was reduced to $3bn in 1988 3 years after he was gone. How can you say he paid off our debt? He cut govt spending, Shagari started severe government cut even before he was ousted. About IBB depreciation, we have discussed that and i gave you reasons. Devaluing the naira was not really the problem after all $1 =83 Japanese Yen yet they second largest economy in the world. What our problem was is that our poor economy was covered up by over valued naira. Borrowing increased even during the Buhari govt. People were not able to pay trade deficit and it acculated to about $5bn from 1983 to 1988. Babangida introduced the promissory Note in1988 to pay off trade deficit. This was offset quaterly or so and the last of it was supposed to be paid off last year. What did you say Buhari paid off? He had no clue. He was even able to get the transient improvement because he had military authority. What he did then, he cannot do now under democratic govt and it is very clear he cannot accomodate or listen to opposing views. The corrupt senate will impeach him within months or even make Nigeria ungovernable for him because as it stands his party cannot get the majority in either the senate or house of rep. Please read mty earlier submission again before you begin to talk like 9ijaMan ![]() |
Morning guys Exercise log 150 seated Oblique twists 170 bicycle crunches 80 press ups 100 cross over crunches plank The only time you realize that one minute is long is when you are doing plank exercise ![]() |
My reply to you 9jaMan is held back by spambot. It will apear soon or you can check it inside profile |
GenBuhari:Yes by fixing price goods: You are as a business man bought a can of milk at the cost of N5, displays it in your shop and a customer comes in to ask for the price and you say N6 and he brandishes his military and you are under arrest. Why? The government price is N4 per can of milk. You are detained! That surely had a good effect on the economy. Do you the amount of money lost while he was controlling inflation by price fixing? Did that help the economy? GenBuhari:Oh no that is not true. Nigeria external debt increased from 5% of GDP in 1980 to 23% of GDP in 1985 Moser et al link above (p69). You may wish to read Nwaobi's scholarly write up. See an excerpt - start from page 8 The observed worsening economic and financial conditions and alleged widespread[url=http://quanterb.org/N%20POVERTY.pdf]Nwaobi[/url] What Buhari did was to cut Government spending in line with austerity measure which Shagari had already lauched in 1982. You do not have to thank him for that. Debt payment was carried out through reconciliation and this was initiated in 1983(Shagari) and completed by IBB administration in 1988. You cannot give him credit for that. Adesola It was not Buhari. BTW january 1984 to August 1985 = 20 months and not 18 months(1.5 years) as you claimed. GenBuhari:It was worse than it was when he came. At least you accepted 14.6% depreciation under a government controlled exchange rate programme that grossly over valued the naira. Shagari even faired better than him that aspect. GenBuhari:How will he do that? He did not tell how he will do any of those. It easy to say I will and I will but the problem is how to do that. Let him tell us my friend ![]() |
Kulu temper we are not fighting just put your points across as clear as you can. 9ijaMan:You cannot reference any rubbish you see if you want to make a concrete argument. You reference authorities. There is a difference between Nature Biotech when you compare it Nigerian journal of biotech ![]() One is an authority and the other is anything goes. 9ijaMan:That was why I preferred to discuss based yearly averages which was provided but insisted on pointing to a data in quasi newspaper. 9ijaMan:I am sorry if you did understand me but I am sure you did not read this agabaI23:If you read you would not think I assumed a single exchange rate for a whole year. ![]() 9ijaMan:I corrected the percentage immediately. It was a mathematical error and not a logical suicide 9ijaMan:I do not have that which was why I preferred using yearly average. You are the one using a days exchange rate not even a monthly average. Statistically that's criminal and you know it. The exchange rate of 1985 as stated is the average of the monthly averages and which in turn is computed from the daily averages you preferred to point to. Buhari was there for 8 months and IBB was there for 4 months. Which of the two will contribute more to the yearly average. You argued in the link I showed you above that 4 months is not enough for any economic policy to influence the economy. If I should go by your words, then Buhari should take whole credit for the 1985 average just like you gave him credit for the 5% inflation of 1985 ![]() 9ijaMan:Who is Sanusi Lamido (B.sc economics) that I cannot have a contrary opinion? He may be your alpha and Omega but he is neither to me. which status are you even talking about? BTW remember that my statement has solid literature backing and not based on sentiments before you start playing your game of truth and dare ![]() 9ijaMan:You can read my dialogue with GenBuhari on this issue if you want to. |
And how much is the profit in there? |
GenBuhari:No his economic policy initial was good. BB has no policy, has no road map for anything. He is just there claiming saint Buhari |
GenBuhari:No I do not support IBB. In that decision, IBB was realistic. There was a post I made in 'what we did not know about Buhari' thread. In the post , I said that IBB set out like a good man with good intention when he started. But just a way down the line, he brought out his real colours. What killed us was corruption. He is corrupt. He stole the country dry and introduced chop make I chop method of embezzlement which brought the economy to its knees. From there the rot continued. But by introducing Market determined forex, IBB was realistic. Are you out shock yet? ![]() |
9ijaMan:Is that the only thing you can pick out from that post to respond to? I cannot defend GEJ's gaffes. He will do that himself and if he has not learnt to think before speaking he will lose the election based on that , not very sure though because very few people in Nigeria have access to the media I have accepted that GEJ made some mistakes but he never claimed to be a saint fyi.Now can you address the concrete issues raised in my post? ![]() |
60 views and only one reply. Come guys say what you think here |
seunlayi:Did you listen to all of it? |
9ijaMan:You have not countered any of my fact based arguments. You do not have to brandish Salisu's article in truimph as your defense. Salisu was against exchange rate determination by market forces so what. I think you should read some academic articles on this issue before brandishing that to me. I will assume you have an independent mind that can critically analyse information for yourself. But if you choose to let Salisu speak for you. . . .all correct. BTW that article has no data on the exchange rate we were debating. Get that for me and stop bringing out all this mushroom newspapers. Triumph is a government sponsored news media, I have never heard of Thewill before. CBN website or any published journal article will do. Please address the issues i raised before calling me a liar. ![]() |
GenBuhari:Seriously I did. I was actually treating 9jaMan's response as yours. However I have something to say about the period between 1974 and 1985 when the exchange rate was determined by import-weighted basket of currencies aka nominal effective exchange rate (NEER). If you look at the depreciation rate with Shagari who was clueless, you will notice that it was always below 20%. Infact, it took three years for him to achieve a depreciation of 17.9 which was reduced afterwards. The NEER system was not viable method of determining exchange rate because it overvalued the naira against the dollar considering that non oil export shrinked with the oil boom of the seventies and the oil price depression of 80's Nigeria's export was grossly reduced. Government savings fell from 24% of the GDP in 1980 to 12% of the GDP in 1985. Yet the exchange rate remained comparative stable even in the face depreciating dollar. So Buhari could not do anything to salvage the economy and like I said he had no solution then and he has no solution now. Now about IBB killing us, no he did not kill us. He was more realistic. When he realised that NEER was not viable Ogiogio, 1996 (also see Moser et. al in my post above) and was not doing the economy any good, he ditched it for market determined exchange rate (SFEM now FEM). There was public auction of currencies and the exchange rate was based on the demand and supply instead on trade (import) flow between countries of selected currencies. The naira value nose-dived because of worsening economic status of the country. No one paid attention to non-oil export and corruption was also depleting the external reserve. The value of the naira cannot improve without our export increasing. Like I said in my last post, Buhari was there when the foreign reserve was drawn down from 6months import allowance 1980 to just two months at the end of 1985. But he will be here shouting of drawing down of foreign reserve. He did not help the economy because he had no clue. He used physical fiscal policies like banning foreign currencies and changing the naira but their effects ephemeral. Because his policies were unrealistic, artificial and draconian, it could not arrest the underlying economic and financial degradation. It is not enough to claim he did not steal as his only reason to come back. It is just like telling us that Yar'Adua left $6.5 billion dollars in the Katsina state's account and yet the people of Katsina state had nothing to show for his 8 years as a governor. It makes nonsense. Like I said, Buhari' Kaduna Campaign speech is watery and vague. It had no clear road map and there is not solution to any problem I read through. In an interview in Oct last year he told us he was not going to prosecute past leaders and also that he will not go to court if he loses. In February, he turned back to say that those who will leave the country when he wins should get ready to do so from the same mouth. The guy is power hungry and has no clue of what he want to do. |
he should go and sit down |
prolly not real ![]() Does she know what internet is? |
caringchi:leave him and come to me and GEJ will have no influence again ![]() Then you will laugh in Spanish |
GenBuhari:Everything! ![]() BTW you too like nuts [size=4pt]not as much as me anyway[/size] |
Both pictures are in the extremes for me. Somewhere in the middle is it for me |
modath:We are lazy my dear you no lie. But Hudson's transformation is amazing. Mel's flat tummy is hot and she flaunts it. Go for it. Even Nollywood Ini Edo shaped of recent. It is all about determinatons. There are pains after but it feels good ![]() |
kwantri fefle ![]() |
I was scared by the ferocious wind(excuse) so i could not run 200 Bicycle crunches plank 60 press ups 160 seated oblique twists with medicine ball 100 cross over crunches |
Jakumo:Good man! If you need a witness call me ![]() |
People should stop reading meanings into what was just a simple mishap. So the bird strike that happened in Lagos was caused PDP? The cattle invasion in Port harcourt was caused by PDP? We are talking we have forgotten how the fulani animal rearers deal with their livestock. No accessible land with green forage is holy to them and their livestock On a second thought, it could some registered voters who came to welcome the presidential candidates. ![]() BTW Ribadu and Tinubu were in different aircraft. This account seems unbiased http://thenationonlineng.net/web3/news/30260.html |
I am not peddling any falsehood. Your source said that his source is central bank website. I quoted for you what is written in central bank website but you rejected it for an article published in TheWill. If you cannot get an authentic source for me, then it means your article misquoted. or deliberately used the lower figure because he was trying to put IBB in a bad light. Can you please get me the source where it was stated that the exchange rate on 27th August, 1985 was 0.765? The foreign reserve of Nigeria depreciated from 6months import allowance in 1980 to just 2 months at the end of 1985 Moser et al The exchange rate as at that time was expressed as nominal effective exchange rate (import-weighted basket of currencies) a method very different from the market determined exchange rate used today. Therefore the exchange rate for a month is the average of the daily exchange rates which in turn was determined by the import vs export ratio of in seven currencies in the weighted basket. It is very clear from the link above and many other sources that Nigeria was importing more than it was exporting which was the reason why the foreign reserve was depleted reflecting huge reduction in govt savings. How could the exchange rate be stable in that condition. 's[b]hort-run fiscal stabilization measures and quantitative trade controls dominated the adjustment efforts, while underlying economic and financial condition continued to worsen'- moser [/b] In other words, Buhari did not do any thing economical. His economic policies like I said before were artificial and physical and had no effect on the countries economy. In this thread https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-605263.0.html You argued with your cronies that Buhari was responsible for the 5% inflation in 1985 even though he left office in August. You did not look for the inflation figures per month. You argued that 4 month was not enough to reduce inflation but now you think that 4 months was enough to shoot up exchange rate. You want us to believe that the effect of 4 months exchange rate would have significantly influenced the overall average. May be you provide evidence to convince me also if you are not being biased in your analysis. As to how a I came about the % depreciation which should have been 26.4% not 34% is very clear on the table.He recorded 11.6% depreciation in 1984 and a further 14.6% in 1985. Add that together general. |
modath: Good answer |
9ijaMan:year rate 1973 0.66 - n.a - n.a 1974 0.55 -20.0 n.a - n.a 1980 0.55 0.0 0.90 - 63.6 1982 0.67 17.9 1.14 21.1 70.1 1984 0.76 11.8 3.25 64.9 327.6 1985 0.89 14.6 3.79 14.20 325.8 1986 2.02 55.9 4.17 9.1 106.4 1987 4.02 49.8 5.55 24.9 38.1 1988 4.54 11.5 6.05 8.30 33.3 1989 7.39 38.6 10.55 42.7 42.8 1990 8.04 9.3 9.61 -9.8 19.5 1991 9.91 18.9 13.04 26.3 31.6 1992 17.30 42.7 20.03 34.9 15.8 1993 22.05 21.5 36.23 44.7 64.3 1994 21.89 -0.7 59.79 39.4 173.1 1995 81.20 73.0 59.79 39.4 3.1 1996 81.20 0.0 83.09 -0.7 2.3 1997 82.00 1.0 85.00 2.2 3.7 1998 84.00 2.4 87.90 3.3 4.6 1999 93.95 10.6 99.20 11.4 5.6 2000 102.10 8.0 112.00 11.4 9.7 2001 111.93 8.8 132.36 15.4 18.3 2002 121.0 7.5 137.42 3.9 19.1 2003 129.3 6.4 n.a n.a n.a 2004 133.5 3.1 n.a n.a n.a 2005 131.1 -1.8 n.a n.a n.a http://www.cenbank.org/OUT/PUBLICATIONS/BULLION/GOV/2007/BULL%20JUL-SEPT06.PDF This is taken from central bank report. And the value there corresponds to your earlier value from Wikipedia. The authority of this overrides those from your newspaper articles. Do not try to make Buhari what he is not to score political point. There were two 'policies' under Buhari which actually affected the exchange rate at the time. 1. The banning of foreign currency 2. The changing of the naira notes. The first one devalued the naira because of the scarcity of the foreign currencies while the second one created scarcity of naira which should have increased the value of naira. Both of these measures were artificial and were not sound economic policies. Unfortunately the effect of the second policy was not strong enough to counter the effect of stifled forex flow so the value of the naira kept depreciating. There is no way you can explain that away. The value of the naira when he took over was 0.72 to a dollar which you accepted and when he left office, it was 0.89. That was 36.4% depreciation from when he took over and he could not do anything about it with his draconian policies. I support GEJ because he is the all round best amongst the lot. He has clear road maps which BB does not have except for his flawed claim to sainthood. I read through his Kaduna campaign speech and there were no clear solutions. Everything was vague! There was no road map on how to tackle all the issues he raised. He was able to point out the problems like all of us can but he ended up criticising PDP without proffering any solutions. Instead of apologising to you, I will thank you for informing me. I did not blaspheme BB, the over all context was that the Forex depreciated under his regime and that has not changed. |
Good one! |
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