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@ Kimba,
I am not an atheist. I believe in God, but not the way you believe. Also I believe that your bible is definitely not the word of God. I'll show it to you -- just be patient.

LOL! I think I like this Afeni of a guy -- he's wonderful. Keep it up, bro. I'm amused by your antics. You're saying the truth to some extent, though.

@ syrup,
Not at all. I don't say things I can't substantiate. If you want me to show it to you, I will -- mos def.

[b]It is surprising that hundreds of millions of Christians follow blindly outdated biblical commandments. They are prepared to sacrifice everything, even their lives, for their belief. The only sacrifice they are not prepared to make is to use their common sense - their God-given intelligence - to spend a few hours, may be days, to investigate the roots of their faith.

In this respect they are not guided by their churches either. Details of how the bible came to us are hardly given by Church leaders. Amazing discoveries of the Dead Sea Scrolls or the lost gospel of Thomas, which may well be the oldest one we have, and which gives quite a different view of Jesus' sayings, are not being discussed.
Scholarship has already established centuries ago that it is untenable to maintain that the bible is the word of God. But their findings were hushed up by the churches which fear that it might undermine their sway over the minds of believers. A great deal of attention is paid to the translation of what is termed the original text. This has the appearance of a diversionary tactic to draw away attention from the fact that we have no original text but only poor copies of written traditions. [/b]

@ Reverend,
Well said. May the Lord continue to grease your elbows. And, to those of you who're still blindfolded from the truth, I'm still coming to show it to you that your bible is certainly not the word of God.

For those who disagree with Jesus being the founder of Christianity, we might extend the search to the lives of people like Apostle sPaul, Peter, James and John.

Absolutely, there's no doubt about that. Saul (Paul) was the founder of christianity. Christians are rather called Paulites.

@ Dearzi,
Wow! That makes you a person of an exemplary character. I admire you. I have got to go pray now. I'll try to talk to you more tomorrow, Allah willing. Thanks.

It makes reading more easy. Cuz i cringe every time i read swear words and stuff like that.

@ Dearzi,
What if you're the originator or a contributor, does it still make you "cringe"?

@ Dearzi,

My dear, from now on, you're far-removed from my wrath, as long as you don't allow those with evil intentions to come between us.

So, are you a teacher?

@ Dearzi,
LOL! Na wa for this your "headmistress" approach o. Whoa!

Oh, yes. The Muslims believe in the Coming of Jesus, but unlike the corrupt way in which the christians hold their beliefs. Please, continue to read your Qur'an with an open mind. Allah will surely give you guidance. Amin.

Anyway, I intend to let you know who I am, as we go along. I hope we get there.

@ Dearzi,
As you can see, I have chosen to ignore a handful of these miscreants. They can rant till Jesus comes.

Oh, yes, my dear. I'm artistic.

@ Fimmy,
Nice one there. Par excellence.

@ Logical,
You're a reasonable person and I respect you, man. What I'm saying is that these christians are quick to turn the table on the Muslims, calling us "terrorists" violent and so on. Whereas, they're living examples of all that they call us. George Bush and men of his ilk in the GOP and christian fundamentalism have no regards for human lives. To me, there are no differences between George Bush and Osama Bin Laden or that "follow-follow" Blair and Zarqawi. The Western ones are just too timid to go into the trenches and do their evil biddings themselves, so they are sending the innocent kids and school-leavers to go kill and die for them. They're all TERRORISTS! Plain and simple.

@ Dearzi,
Thanks for the Ibo dude's correct spelling. But, alas! You continue to make excuses for the Caucasians evil intentions. I'm yet to meet a white person that'll say it won't matter to him if Jesus is painted black. Why do we Blacks have an innate slave mentality? Huh? You all see clearly how wrong you're, yet continue in error manifest. Mind you, the argument here actually surpasses whether christianity is wrong or right -- it's only calling you black christians to open your eyes and see the truth. The Old Testament was written by some Jewish "intellects" in Hebrew. Paul wrote the New Testament, at least 75% of it (and nothing but letters[epistles]) in Greek. The early christians merged both books into what is known as bible today. The Romans stole a copy and took it to their country. The eccentric and homosexual King James of England sent for a copy; commisioned some writers to translate it and added his own corrupt thoughts -- that later became the celebrated King James's Version that you all thump gladly today. I just want the so-called Black christians to see the picture. That's it.

@ Dearzi,
Even the video you watched was produced by the christian West (100% white) with a hidden agenda. They are particularly interested in maintaining their "superiority" (in their dreams). In that video, was "Jesus" depicted as a white dude or as a black dude? Please, don't repeat that lame excuse of "it doesn't matter what color the Lord is": It's an eye sore. If Jesus was supposed to have come from that part of Africa, what business do the Caucasians have painting him white? But you and other Black christians continue to give excuse that it doesn't matter what color he is. Haba! Let change all the paintings, movies, and whatnots that have Jesus white to Black and see how the white people will run away from christianity in a bit. I'm sure some Blacks will even join them. I know what i'm talking about. Do you remember when they were trying to enthrone the new Pope, and everybody thought Cardinal Azinge -- that Ibo guy -- (is that his name?) would be chosen? I met many Blacks who were so unhappy, saying things like: "that's impossible, how can a pope be black"? And you don't need to be friends with people who have no intelligence at all. You need to ally yourself with intelligetsia, christian or otherwise. If you still want to be my friend, same here. We can even discuss intelligent religious issues beyond this forum. But don't force me to respect those who are openly blasphemous and have become reprobrates until the Day of Judgment. Thanks.

@ Logical, my friend:
Don't work yourself up over nothing. If they like they can go ask for Dan Brown's head. Why are they asking us to learn a lesson from his work? The dude is not a Muslim, for one, and if any soul should learn a lesson, methinks, it's the christians. They have even refused to learn from their lousy past. They want us to forget about the past. Whatever. They should tell that to the "crying baby" jews.

@ Dearzi,
Oh, my dear, how I wish you and I could eraze all bad things we had said about each other. Maybe we can talk to Seun about that -- what do you think? I am a gentleman, but I'm easily riled up by the nonsensical outbursts of certain christian extremists. Your given name, Zainab, happens to be one of the names I love best in this world. As a matter of fact, it's the best name in this sense. OK? I recently finished a script and the title is "Zainab." Maybe, later, Allah willing, you'll be able to read it. As for the "picture of Jesus," being embedded in you, that's a great disservice that both Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo Simone did to the world. They intentionally confused the inhabitants of the Universe with their works of art. They painted very European looking images (in most cases, using their family members in Italy). Please, my dear, you need to resist the pomps of this ephemeral world. Read the al-Qur'an with an open mind. You'll see what I mean. By the way, are you a Nigerian? If so, Yoruba or Hausa?

[b]Logical,
I don't think we should look at the issue of Iraq invasion in isolation. While some claim it has to do with oil, I really can't say. If it was due to oil, then there must have been a miscalculation somewhere because it is now going for record price.
America takes action to protect it's interests and that of their allies. The Iraq war wouldn't have come about if there wasn't an invasion of Afghanistan because of 911. 911 wouldn't have come about if America, under Clinton, had taken out Osama Bin Ladin when it was easier to do so. Saddam didn't help himself when he used chemical weapons on his citizens (the kurds).
The issue of Iran will eventually lead to a military confrontation. America is not really bothered about the developing of nuclear weapons. These cannot be fired to reach american soil. Europe should be the one losing sleep over this. However, America is more concerned because of Hezbolla who are sheltered by Iran. This a a terrorist organization and they have the means to hurt america bad in the near future. That is america's major concern.
Just to correct a misconception. America may have had a christian foundation, it is by no means a Christian State. Saying that an american action is a christian action is totally ignorant. As Christians, we are fighting here to keep our faith alive in the public sphere. Unlike Moslems however, we are doing it through constitutional and peaceful means like voting, demonstrations and lobbying. [/b]

What a myopic conservative nonsense!

Some muslims might be aggressive, I agree.

Because some christians are equally aggressive and are killers. That messianic George Bush is living up to this right assertion. Plain and simple!

mrlawng,
I'm not surprised by your vituperations, that's typical of you and your boot-legging leaders in christendom. They'll kill the stone-throwing youths with evil weaponry, and foolishly call them "terrorists." It's true, the Qur'an says: A bad tree bears nothing but bad fruits. You're a classic example of bad eggs in christendom. Your covers have all been blown! We Muslims owe you no apology. You can scream "terrorism" till eternity. You and your killer-leaders in the West are the BIG TERRORISTS!

@ Dearzi,
I thought we were friends -- why didn't you answer my questions? Again, what's your Muslim name? Why did you leave Islam to join the crusaders? Maybe you and I can actually preach reasonably to each other, aside from other myopic evangelists. I'm waiting, girl.

mrlawng,
Please, dont cry for exposing how silly you are. when you just came out of nowhere and quipped: "muhammad was a terrorist. plain and simple" -- that was silly even in the way it was written. Silly and childish.

That "somebody" is nobody.

As for you, mrlawng,
Have you ever read the Qur'an, the Hadith (traditions and teachings of the Prophet), and Seerat al-Nabwi (Lifestory of the Prophet)? Please, don't say, dismissively, that you've no business reading those. I, as a proud Muslim, have read the bible, psalms, hymns and whatnots in christendom. That's why I could understand everything about your christian religion. If you read the aformentioned, with an open mind, you would understant nd have the answers to your questions. Since I have no way of knowing whether you were sincere in your questioning; nevertheless, I shall do my best to answer you. For so many years, Muhammad and the believers weathered the storm of persecution at the hands of the idolators in Mecca. They later followed Allah's Command to flee their homeland of Mecca. In Medina, the idolators pursued them unrelentlessly by waging many incursions into the Muslim stronghold. Still, the Prophet told the believers not to fight, (even though certain brilliant military commanders and strategists like Umar and Uthman were in their midst) until the permission to fight was given by Allah. So, tell me, why he's a "terrorist. Or, you people in the West are just plain dogmatic that you only repeat what your drunk and messianic political leaders say? My friend, do some reading.

Muhammad was a terrorist. plain and simple

Could you expatiate a bit? You cannot just throw a cheap shot like that. That's silly.

Alright, Gbade the rapper, cool.

@ TayoD,
Your intentions are always dubious. You ask your questions or pass insults aggressively, and when I personally answer back you start screaming my name. That's why I have decided to just ignore you and certain persons on this forum. You lack the knowledge to understand the issues at hand (whether Islam or your christain faith). Yes, the Holy Prophet Muhammad himself led numerous campaigns against the pagans, initially, and later down the road aginst the aggressive Byzantine armies (who never turned up on the battlefield, anyway). A good example will be the would-be expedition in Syria, but the "mighty' christian army obviously ran away (50,000 christians versus 3,000 Muslims). As per your assertion that your religion's "author and finisher" was "Jesus" -- that's definitely not true. Jesus had nothing to do with christianity. It was Saul, later Paul, that fashioned the style now known as christianity. "Christianity= Christ-like", so how did he know how and who Jesus was since he was not there when he lived? Well, the answer to that was that Paul lied that he saw Jesus on the way to Damascus! And the rest is history. Also, you claimed that Jesus never shed a drop of blood -- the answer to that is this: Jesus lived a very short life; he was here for just 33 years. His life was full of turmoil, aches and pain. He was a destitute -- a wanderer; none followed him, except the cajoled 12 disciples. We know how he got each man to follow him. I have corrected you before and I'll repeat it: Muhammad was not the "author and finisher" of the religion of al-Islam, It's Allah (SWT). Plain and simple. Although you people have deified Jesus and made him into a god, our Holy Prophet was a human being who happened to be the Chosen One with a heavy task. With the help of Allah he was able to surmount all the hurdles. Look at all the so-called "leaders" today, -- they're nothing but "chicken-hawks" (George Bush and Tony Blair are classic examples) they sent young boys to their death in different military expeditions, but they and their immediate families sit their butts at home. Muhammad was not a "chicken-hawk," and because he believed in his Duty, he readily partook of the numerous campaigns. Tell your leaders today to even go to Iraq and fight since they're sending innocent kids to go die for them. Muhammad had a great and superb following and, unlike Muhammad, if your "Jesus" had enough people to believe in his teachings and follow him he would not have been simply and effortlessly cornered and overpowered by the Roman soldiers and ultimately "killed by the Jews."

Call your dad -- let me talk to him. You've passed your bedtime. C'mon, go call him.

In fact, I thought that I have seen it all. This one is extra-ordinary. The kid is indeed crazy.

@ emmie4j,
Honestly, you need help and I hope you get it fast. Didn't you say that after you received explanations to your evil questions you would keep your mouth shut and go to sleep? Why are you continuing in this your foolishness? Let your mama and papa come on board -- I want to talk to them. This is way out of hand, you need your medication. Autistc patients are not supposed to be left unattended. Let me talk to your parents.

Left to me, I don't really think this kid, emmie4j, is sane. To be honest with you, the kid claims to be from the West and, yet, continues to ask himself a redundant question and writes like a primary school kid. I think someone needs to call his parents to give him his medication. He may just be an autistic patient -- only God knows.

@ me, myself:
It seems as if you're one sick little kid. From now on, I'll ignore you like I have done to the select few amongst those ignorant buffoons. Since you've faked yourself that you're a "Muslima" I asked how you would handle the insults such as the ones by the accursed emmie4j, in your futile attempts at pleasing the disbelieving folks, it's me you continued to blame. Shame on you! You talked about me "[having] sinned greatly by callin Jesus, an european demi god, as Jesus is not a god in islam but he's one of our prophets!and as far as i know, u don't insult a prophet and get away wit it!" I said it before and I'll repeat it: If by "Jesus" you all meant that white-looking portrait, created by Michelangelo, yes, he is nothing but a European demigod! But if we're talking about the highly-esteemed Prophet Yisa/Issa, he's my prophet and I shall accord him the utmost respect due everyone of the prophets of Allah.

As for that Western kid, emmie4j, he's only a very sick extremist (like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson) and in need of an assylum like that seminary fool that burned down a porn shop the other day. So, I won't lose sleep over animals like him.

p.s.
the existence (or not) of any higher power still doesn't detract from the fact that the Bible was written by incredibly ignorant men (by modern standards) and is full of inaccuracies,

Nice one there.

Guys, I have not forgotten about my promise. I'll show it to you one-by-one why bible is not the word of God.

AND BE REST ASSURED,, AMERICA WILL TAKE OUT IRAN, an if Bin Laden doesnt get it yet,, WE WILL TURN MEDINA AND MECCA INTO A PARKING LOT, JUST WAIT AND SEE!!!!

@ somebody,
You asked what America's bombings have to do with religion, right? The fact that America claims to be "Judeo-Christian" and now wages preemptive wars against Muslim nations, the very fact that certain conservative pundits and christian extremists and fundamentalists in America have said things like" Let's bomb them all, take their oil, and make them christians," and the fact that brainless assertions like the one above could come from small-minded christians and jews say it all. And if that's not killing in the name of christianity can you tell me what it is? If you like you can make yourself sick a thousand times for all I care.

Oh!!! u are just and ignorant fool, until u tell me what business your mohamed, master of all pedophiles, has sleeping with that little girl, then I will have a word for u!!, Thats all MOhamed is, A PEDOPHILE, he F**KS CHILDREN, I SPIT ON HIM!!!!

AND BE REST ASSURED,, AMERICA WILL TAKE OUT IRAN, an if Bin Laden doesnt get it yet,, WE WILL TURN MEDINA AND MECCA INTO A PARKING LOT, JUST WAIT AND SEE!!!!

@ me, myself:
How would you handle these? Or, your good old "Islam means peace" is the answer? As you can see, so many of these stuff I see and just ignore. I have even forgotten some of these people (as they themselves asked to be forgotten) lest I merit their ignorance with rejoinders. Even though you blamed me for causing it but, as a true Muslim who loves her Deen so dearly, I want to know how you would handle the above situations.