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[center]"Do not let yourself be tainted with a barren skepticism."[/center]
[center]Loius Pasteur[/center]

A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.

[center]William James[/center]

I'm disappointed with most of you.I posted this thread for us to sing the praises of our own intellectual giant whose role is being played down by racist white and fellow Nigerians chose to further use tribalism to pull him down. Sorry, Follem, I am sure the likes of you would rather celebrate football and movie stars who have multiple divorces, promote materialism and indecency than a man that could challenge the white man's brains. I'm sure you are more at home with the 419ers and looting politicians than a man that refuse to scramble for the national cake,rather decides to fight for black interest. If he is fake many foreign universities and media organisations wdnt have been inviting him.

Even if his computation was the tenth fastest in the world, how many Blacks have achieved such feat?I am really disappointed in u and other nigerians who would rather look at his Igbo origin than his "Nigerianness".

Many of u critics have never achieved anytn of repute in Nigeria let alone the world. I am not surprised anyway the greatest critic of the rich are the poor: Envy, Hatred and anger are part of their lifestyle, they are always angry at life
Grow up folks

The potential for progress and poverty alleviation in Africa relies on capital generated from the power within our minds, not from our ability to pick minerals from the ground or seek debt relief and foreign assistance. If ideas are capital, why is Africa investing more on things than on information, and more on the military than on education? Suddenly, I realized what this idea could mean for Africa. If the pen is mightier than the sword, why does a general earn more than the work of a hundred writers combined? If ideas are indeed capital, then Africa should stem its brain drain and promote the African Renaissance, which will lead to the rebirth of the continent. After all, a renaissance is a rebirth of ideas. And knowledge and ideas are the engines that drive economic growth. When African men and women of ideas, who will give birth to new ideas, have fled to Europe and the United States, then the so-called African Renaissance cannot occur in Africa. It can only occur in Paris, London and New York.

This is an excerpt from a thought-provoking Keynote speech delivered by Philip Emeagwali at the University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

READ THE ENTIRE SPEECH @ this Mental Revolution Blog

http://think2wize..com/2010/09/where-is-africa-going-wrong.html

@toba

What are u guys waiting for? To hell with all muslims. The quranic verse tells us how mohammad commanded u islamic terrorists to go to war. Come&fight me now. I repeat to hell with u. Go bring your bomb to kill. Sebi jihad is good for u. Dnt disobey quran fight for your life

Please Toba, take it easy with the Muslims; Our mission is to save them not lambast them.The Bible says the god of this world is blinding their eyes from seeing(2Corinthians 4:4). Its a spiritual battle,lets pray for them and feed them with the right kind of knowledge. They don't know why they are violent, because spiritual forces are blindfolding them. If you really want to understand the root of islamic terrorism, violence and suicide bombing visit Suicide Bombing According to the Bible on this link http://judewatchman..com/2010/01/suicide-bombing-according-to-bible-by.html
You will discover the Bible said a lot about Islam. Happy reading

[center]A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion. [/center]
[center](Francis Bacon) [/center]

@Oladaagbu
I love those cartoons,please post more of it. It has a big message that will bless people

This is not a thread about Obama if you want to know his opinion about muslims building a mosque a few blocks away from ground zero you can google it up or open another thread for it to be discussed.

This one is a copied work from a secular source you can verify. It is copied verbatim from Encarta Encyclopaedia under the topic: Scientific Revolution
Atheism, previously unknown in Christian Europe, gradually became an increasingly popular alternative to religion. Ironically, although all of the major figures in the scientific revolution were devoutly religious and saw their scientific work as a way of proving the existence of an omnipotent creator, the new mechanical philosophies were appropriated by atheists. Those who wished to deny the validity of the religious world-view could use the new philosophies to suggest that the world was capable of functioning in an entirely mechanistic way with no need for supernatural intervention or supervision.
Many of the central beliefs of the Enlightenment and new social sciences developed at that time owed their origins to the powerful stimulus of Newtonian science. But all too often it was a Newtonian science devoid of the God that Newton himself had believed in. Newton was especially devout and explicitly stated that his system was intended to demonstrate the existence of God, but he was powerless to prevent the irreligious interpretation of his science. From then on the secular scientific world-view became increasingly dominant.
Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Good answers but yet again you fall into the trap of conjectures and selective belief. Scientists once believed the earth was the centre of the universe, the atom was the smallest indivisible part of a compound and plate tectonics was rubbish!, It would be nice to present your facts in a rather scientific way.

You agree that scientists sometimes make mistakes and you expect me to follow science always. NO!!!Those that made such flaws you pointed out above also presented their arguments in a scientific way.

Human cause of climate change is debatable and would continue to be till tangible evidence is brought forward by one side of the argument to shut the other up forever. Bill Gates once said people would not need more than 256KB of data personally, now we know better.

One of the areas covered by the blog link I sent is why we should not always trust the experts

You can not say geologists mainly speculate and then turn around and use same geological principles to explain away a hole in your story.

We are created as spirits that have a soul that lives in a body. as spirits we deal with the immaterial world, but we have a soul (where the mind is)with it we deal with the physical universe.that is where science comes in. A man who depends only on science to direct his life is very blind, the same way a man who only depends on the spirit while he is still living in a physical universe. As a spiritual man I use science appropriately and recognize it has limitations. The Word of God is both Spirit and life (John 6:63) and helps me to draw the demarcation. Hebrews 4:12 says
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The Word of God helps me to divide what is spiritual and what is soulish(scientifically explained)

Point is, stop being lazy with copy and paste jobs.

I have discovered that most Nairalanders use this statement when they run out of answers/points. ;DIf you have been reading through the lines of my argument, you will know there was not a copy and paste job except when i need to lift something from the internet and i normally give the source. I don't follow my faith blindly. I study what I follow. An intelligent person like you should be able to know when some1 copied in an exam hall, let alone here. Even if we are chatting I will still flow the same way. because the Word of God is living in me and the Holy Spirit is alive, coupled with the mind of Christ that I have. I have studied both sciences and history, I know my faith as well and that its superior and doesnt contradict REAL science. that is why most of the foundational fathers of science are deeply spiritual men. Learn from Louis Pasteur, the Father of Microbiology
Posterity will some day laugh at the foolishness of our materialistic philosophy.
The more I study nature, the more I am amazed at the Creator
Louis Pasteur

@Olaadegbu I like that. I had thought your posts were only directed towards Obama.lol

@Wirinet

You are just wasting your time trying to reason scientifically with people who are desperate to spread their dogma using falsehood and lies. I think it gives them a sense of self righteous euphoria convincing people with little understanding of how the natural world works, with their little understanding of science.

I hail your vast understanding of the workings of the natural world. but consider your next statement,

The continents did  not drift apart 25million yrs ago, according to geological studies (not by spiritual methods as employed by our spiritual geologist), the continents drifted apart some 180million yrs ago. So except our spiritual geologist and biologist can tell us that Noah or any other mammal for that matter was living 180million years ago.

You debunked both the geologic and the scientific points of view. so where do you stand? and where did you get your own evidences?Or may be you were alive 250million years ago to have observed it. look at the authoritative statements you make. Now consider your next statement

I think religion affects the smooth functioning of the neo-cortex

I really don't know whose neo-cortex is malfunctioning now, when you have no evidences to back up your belief. you dont believe in God and you are very dogmatic about it.another believes in a God with proofs and you say he has brain problem.

Finally, this tread is very misleading as it is just an attempt at evangelizing and nothing more. The poster did not even tell us why the fabled Noah's ark floated and the Titanic sank.

If you say its misleading because its an attempt to evangelize, then you are wrong.Yes it is an attempt to evangelise and there is nothing misleading about that purpose. Why do you think i will spend hours online answering questions about my belifs. You think i'm jobless? NO! The reason is because I want people like you to be saved and come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. I belief its the truth you have not known thats why you have failed to embrace Christ. My point is that Religion makes more sense than atheism. And christianity(though not a religion in the true sense) holds the key of knowledge and of life
You say i didnt tell you why the Ark floated, and titanic sank, that is because you didnt read the blog i refered you to in the thread. READ IT, It will help your life. Link once more
http://judewatchman..com/

Now the emboldened says South America is moving away from Africa at the rate of 10cm/yr or 0.0001km/yr and the shortest distance between Africa and South America is approximately 2500 km i.e. Senegal to the outermost part of Brazil(Not taking into account the possible drift point from the mid-Atlantic ridge) . This means according to you, Continental drift started (2500/0.0001) years ago = 25 million years ago!
If we use the Mid Atlantic ridge as the drift point and assume both continents move away at the same rate whilst keeping 10cm/year constant, we still arrive at (4500km/2)/0.0001 = 22.5 million years ago!

Could you help me address this anomaly in your argument?

Well your judgment is based on what geologists call the principle of uniformiterianism where you assume that if i say 10cm,then it must have been 10cm from the onset. what you also fail to acknowledge is the fact that some scientific principles is based on  ceteris paribus(i.e all things being equal)but you and I know that all things can never be equal. Cataclysmic events happen ones in a while to disrupt the sequence of events. unlike physics and chemistry that can be controlled in the laboratory and results verified,some geologic interpretation of the past are based on speculations. The same goes with the prediction of the future.
For instance, The popular believe that dominated the 20th century was that climate change is responsible for natural disasters.This judgment was based on the report by the UN Climate Change panel. but on 24th of January this year UK Timesonline reports it was a hoax. for proof, read the link http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7000063.ece
In fact, the UK Telegraph reports
Last week the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was forced to admit it made a mistake by claiming the Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035. It made the assertion two years ago, saying it was based on detailed research into global warming, but has now conceded it was an error and the claim would be reviewed.
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/7074446/UN-report-on-climate-change-and-natural-disasters-was-balanced.html.
So how dare you trust scientific analysis of the past and future.they are blurred and shrouded in speculations. I will expose them in my next blog(Global Warming or Global Warning)
Though this may still be hard for you to swallow but Only the Bible is a dependable source in telling the past and forecasting the future

Also the table of nations in Genesis 10 makes no reference to Negroid or Mongoloid races which may lead us to conclude that such races were not included in the flood.

What we call these races now is not what the Bible called it. The Negroids as you call it came from Cush, the son of Ham (one of Noahs sons) Cush means black and the Bible translators sometimes translate Cush as Ethiopia. that is why you find River Ethiopia as one of the Rivers that cross the Garden of Eden and some translations say its the Cushite river.

Noah had three sons, Ham Shem and Japhet

The descendatns of Ham -Noahs son are four namely
Cush(Gen 10:6-12;1 Chro 1:8-10;Isaiah 11:11) progenitors of various Ethiopian tribes that settled south of egypt
Mizraim(Gen 10:6,13-14;1 Chro 1:8-11)Progenitors of several Egyptian tribes. Mizraim means Double. Tribes of Double egyprt (Upper and Lower Egypt)called the land of Ham (Ps 78:51;105:23-27;106:22). the Phillistines also came from Mizraim (Gen 10:14)
Phut: (Gen 10:6,15-19;9:18-27; 1 Chroni 1:8-13)progenitors of the Libyans and other tribes in North Africa(Ezek 27:10;30:5; 38:5;Jer 46:9; Nah 3:9)
[b]Canaan[/b]Gen 10:6,15-19; 9:18-27; 1 Chron 1:8-13) Progenitors of people that settled mainly in Palestine, Arabia, Tyre, Sidon
etc
I know you have enough assignment now to study. only the Bible followed this chronology systematically till the birth of Christ. No other religious book does. That is why the existence of Noah is not in doubt. The Bible written by about 40 different writers, in different countries over a period of about 1,500 years has a continuation without contradiction and yet the writers did not collaborate.
The Book itself is a Mystery-one of the supernatural acts of god

The Historical Series Problem
How did the human population rebound so fast? Genealogies in Genesis put the Tower of Babel about 110 to 150 years after the Flood (Gen 10:25; 11:10-19). How did the world population regrow so fast to make its construction (and the city around it) possible? Similarly, there would have been very few people around to build Stonehenge and the Pyramids, rebuild the Sumerian and Indus Valley civilizations, populate the Americas, etc.

I dont know where you read in Genesis that put the gap btw the Flood and the Tower to be approximately 150 years. Noah was 600 years when the flood came Gen 7:6 and died 350 years after at the age of 950 years (gen 9:290 and did not witness the building of the Tower which occured much later. so check your source

How did animals get to their present ranges? How did koalas get from Ararat to Australia, polar bears to the Arctic, etc., when the kinds of environment they require to live does not exist between the two points. How did so many unique species get to remote islands?

Why are so many animals found only in limited ranges? Why are so many marsupials limited to Australia; why are there no wallabies in western Indonesia? Why are lemurs limited to Madagascar?

The earth mass was once together in what scientist (geologist) call Pangeae. Due to Continetal drifting the earth have seperated to its present state. This is a truth the scientists just discovered in the 20th century through the work of Alfred Wegener. That is why I say science will eventually grow to catch up wt the Bible. Alfred Wegener died while trying to prove that the continents were together. it was after his death that scientists discovered he was right and they brought a unifying theory called Plate Tectonics which happens to be the most important theory in Geology today. By that theory, South America is still moving away from Africa continent at the rate of 10cm a year. so these animals were togethr in a place before the earth divide. Science and bible disagree on when this division took place. Science said it happened millions of years ago while Bible said that it was after the flood. Genesis 10:25 reads
Gen 10:25
"And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan." KJV
What I am saying is that all the animals were together before the continents drifted so its not difficult to understand How so many unique species got to remote islands if i'm to borrow your words

@lagerwhenindoubt
Your reasoning has more wisdom than any in this thread. I must appreciate your insight into most of the discourse. One line of argument that particularly struck me was your explanation of the universality of of the flood story as a testimony to its possible occurrence. It is just like my grandies tell us of a day when night came amidst daylight. They didnt know what an eclipse was but the event was too remarkable it has passed from generation to generation.

From the global accounts of a Historical Cataclysmic Flood and new Scientific Evidence, it is safe to say that such an event occurred. Now here is the snatch, Did Noah and his Ark ever occur? There is very little evidence to support it even in the slightest imagining. (Save for a group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical Christians who claimed to have discovered its final resting place)

The Bible says so and like you pointed out-archaeologists have discovered remains of the ship at Turkey. Even if the later account is wrong the former can't be. The Bible says that the earth is round (Isaiah 40:22; Job 22:14)and that the earth is hanging on nothing (Job 26:7); it has taken scientists many millenia to discover it was true. The Bible prophesied the Jews will be dispersed as a people but will come back together, history has also proven that right. The Bible prophesied Earthqukes, Famine pestilence etc as what will follow the Jews coming together. All these have happened. So I have every reason to believe the Bible to be true no matter what science or anybody says. Anyway my next blog: Global Warming or Global Warning will throw more light on that(will be out this week)

The Problem of Logistics
Judging from a commonly recognizable table of species that currently exist, how did Noah fit enough Animals and Food sufficient to repopulate the earth, especially if animals that are now extinct were required to be aboard and how did he determine and provide for animals with special diets. as many animals require their foods to be FRESH. If so how did he keep food supplies fresh? ( i guess some sewage flushign system must have been invented to deal with animal wastes but i doubt so)

I already answered this. If man can invent refrigirator that can preserve food for a long period, is it hard for God to preserve food for animals in other to bring His divine purposes come to pass. Notice what He told Noah "Come Into the Ark"Gen 7:1 Not "Go in". It means God was already in the Ark with him. If God be for us what situation can be against us. When Jesus is in the boat with Peter he calmed a storm not with science but with HIS WORD. Because His Words are Spirit and Life. These are not within the jurisdiction of a scientific minded person to comprehend being too shallow in understanding.

How did predators survive? How could more than a handful of the predator species on the ark have survived, with only two individuals of their prey to eat?

What you may never have known was that the lion was not a predator when God created it. It was the fall of man that changed the equation (for details,visit my blog http://judewatchman..com/2010/02/once-upon-snake-serpent-science-and.html ) that is why in the New heaven and new earth, The wolf will lay down with the lamb and the lion will eat straw like an ox. And a little child will lead them.(Isaiah 11:5-9; 35:9-10; 65:24-25), sounds strange to a scientific mind

Hi Bro! Sorry but you made a mistake here. Truly there was a flood but it was not global - it was localised.

The bible says it covered mountains,so it wasnt a localised event, and even science confirms a one-time earth that was flooded. Also, every human being on earth are descendants of Noah.I dont know if you are a Christian. If you are then you will understand more. because the story plays a significnat role in the journey to redemption and the future of the earth.

What you may want to consider is that mankind was not spread over all the continents at the beginning. In effect, all were in "Mesopotamia" which therefore, was the entire KNOWN "world". Any flood covering that would have been considered by a writer, to cover the whole world since there was no other known world/lands.

The author of the Bible is God not men who only see in part. He only used men as 'Secretaries'


In that then, you were right (it was the world they KNEW) but in absolute terms, you were wrong. Today, we know better. Also, only animals local to that portion of earth would have been required to be in the ark. I do not know if lions are found there but if they were not, they were probably safe in Africa. Same with all others. Don't be suprised to find there were probably relatively few of such.

What you are trying to say will be understood by a Christian but you've used wrong (not enough) information to pass across your point. Also, Titanic was a major disaster and it seems (to me) wrong to compare it for it makes God to look proud, uncaring or vengeful.

God is known of these. it all depends on your definition of those words. We as humans are not to be proud because our lives is only but a moment.But read the bible and see how God talks about Himself,"Besides me there is no other", "my glory will i not share with another" etc. God is very caring but if a people rejects Him, He withdraws, and the Devil can handle those people. He doesnt force himself on people

Questions for the poster -

Initially, I wanted to avoid answering you because your nairaland name zodiac tells me something about you but at a second thought I thought you may learn one way or the other. Who knows, and REPENT

What were the dimensions of Noah's ark?

This shows me you didnt read the link.You were only tryng to be heard. The info is in the blog. I suggest you read the blog so we be in the same page in our discusiion

How many animals did it carry?

How does that concern this discussion?

Were the meat eating animals separated from the others?

We believe in the supernatural. It is a supernatural act for Daniel to sleep with a lion without being hurt,for Jonah to be swallowed by a whale for 3 days,for Jesus to rise from the dead etc. these events may not make scientific sense to a man who operates by the 5 senses, because all his knowledge is based on empericism. But we that are born of the spirit can testify that we have experienced supernatural (beyond scientific explanation events) in our lives. beginning with our salvation which science cannot explain, and the natural man can not undertsand.there is no way i try to explain it to you here that you will understand it till you experience. Unfortunately, you dont experience it by scientific calculations, it is by FAITH.

How did it avoid breaking apart in the face of such violent storms?

That is what we are saying.God was behind it. Read that blog you will understand

Who fed all the animals and generally catered for their needs?

God who created them knows how to take care of them within that period. If mere man with science can keep a man in comma from eating for years, is the ability of God you doubt?

Who cleaned after the poo of the thousands of animals (I am being generous with the numbers)?

still another question coming from measuring God with man's ruler

Was there sufficient supplies of of, say, bamboo for the pandas, for instance?
How long did Noah have to wait for the kangaroo, the sloth, the mammoth and all other animal that had to come from thousands of miles away?
How did the polar bear survive in an environment hostile to it?
After the flood, how did the animals get back to their natural habitats?
How did the kangaroo cross the ocean to get back home?
Was it two pairs of each animal or was it seven pairs of clean animals and two of the unclean?
How were eight people able to look after all those animals for that amount of time in such close quarters without succumbing to disease?

So many questions you cant answer or even understand it if i try to explain.my advice is BE SAVED and be sure of making it to heaven. When you get there, you have all the time to ask God
It is more dangerous that you die before you discover that there is God the ALMIGHTY afterall

Proper answers please. The bible says so will not do.

My reasoning Myopic? Your reasoning is dogmatic. Your are attempting to push down your religious dogma as science, history and philosophy when it is just that - Dogma. So you decide to turn science and logic on its head.

Sorry,I didnt mean to insult you by saying your reasoning is myopic,I am saying u are leaving a lot out

Why do you not tell us why the Titanic hit an ice berg, maybe your God wanted to prove that he was unhappy with the building of a ship that is said to rival his anointed prophet, so he had to kill about 1000 people to show his displeasure.

The reason you are generating all these questions is because you have not read the blog. Plz do, it answers your question

The Ark could not have hit an Ice burg because the story was set in ancient Mesopotamia so there was no ice berg.

Mesopatamia is also filled with mountains, why didnt it hit one of them.This is the reason I say u leave out a lot in your reasoning

Finally, you need to update your knowledge and quit your obsession with the Titanic because of the human tragedy it created. Titanic was an engineering feet in its days, but today it pales into insignificant when compared with modern ships.

The reason I am revisiting the Titanic incident is because it has a lot of lessons for modern man that build structures after the pattern of the tower of Babel. Like the builders of the Tower the chief engineer of the Titanic project was said to have boasted that 'not even god can sink this ship". God didnt destroy it, he only allowed the devil do the havoc.

The reason they spend a lot on maintaining the SUPERPOWER status is to keep dangerous leaders like Iran's president in check. they spent money on the Apollo project when USSR was a competitor. Now theres no need. But be that as it may, they achieved the feat of sending a man to the moon and Nigerians have a lot to learn from it. The lessons are analyzed in the blog link given above

Mr. Beaf (what a name),I believe the US went to the moon. the reason people no longer visit the moon inspite of technological advancement is not unconnected to its expenses. It is very expensive and yet has no financial profit for the nation that embarks on it.
If you had read the blog you would have seen the cost implication of the project. Excerpts read
“At the peak of Apollo preparations in 1965, NASA employed 36,000 civil servants and 376,700 contractor employees, and had a yearly operating budget of $5.2 billion. Between 1961 and 1973, NASA spent approximately $25.4 billion on the Apollo missions”
In fact after the project, the US senate cut down the cost allocated to space projects and NASA was forced to relax her plans in exploring other planets
They did it for glory not for the gold

First Noah without any engineering background, almost single-handedly built the ark with God's help , so it would be misleading to say that it was built by amateurs. Noah was not an amateur ship engineer because he had never built a boat in his life. Just like Mohammad could not claim to be an amateur author as he had never written before writing the Koran.

I had explain in another post of the same topic that it was impossible for water to flood the whole earth up to 17,000ft (actually up to 29,000ft to be able to cover mount Everest). To do that you need over 30times the quantity of water we have on earth today. Where did the water come from and where did it go after the flood?

The Titanic was a feat of Engineering because it floated and sailed, it sank because it stuck an ice berg. There is no physical evidence that a wooden boat that is capable of accommodating two of every specie of plant, animal and probably fresh water fishes of the world ever floated not to talk of sailing. And besides the ark would have to strike an ice burg or a rock on a mountain before we can conclude that it is unsinkable or unbreakable.

Sorry your reasoning is too myopic for an answer, Why did it hit the iceberg?why didnt the Ark hit it?or is it possible it hit it and didnt collapse?Muhamad didnt write the koran. there are so many scientific, historical and philosophical errors in your post

left for many people like the poster, Goodluck would not have been elected. but please since he got there without your vote, allow him time to work. Though I have a personal advice to Mr. President, and I believe every Nairalander can benefit from the message. check it out: http://judewatchman..com

Beaf:
Whether Americans went to the Moon is quite debatable. What is certain though, is that "Moon landing technology" has been lost, so nobody, even in this high tech age is venturing out to the Moon; not the Russian, not the Chinese and not the Americans.

---Scratches head---
Hmmmmmm!!!!

OP, please stop quoting Moon landings as an achievement, its pure tosh.

Are you doubting their claims. Well the purpose of this thread is not to generate a debate but to learn a lesson from how promises are made and fulfilled. though its an old post.the lessons are still fresh

You did not elaborate on the principle of the word of God, which was absent in other ancient and contemporary societies until the bible was introduced. First tell me what aspect of these principles that the Europeans applied to pre-colonial Africa, I hope Slavery was not among them, then tell me how our post colonial Africa is better off today as a result of those principles.

What you dont understand is that the Europeans came in for three reasons: Gold, God and Glory. While the non-religious europeans were concerned about the economic gains, their godly Christian counterparts had another purpose:to spread the Gospel. The developments and improvements in the quality of life we see today in Africa cannot be removed from European influence. Its impact is seen all over Africa today. If not for Mary Slessor for instance, many twins would still have been standing the danger of death. that is to mentions a few

Many people would disagree with you that the Bible was the light of Europe - Including the Europeans themselves. The Bible brought numerous wars, conflicts and instability. In fact Europe was more stable during modern times that when it was under biblical rule.

Only the skeptics like yourself who dont want to hear the truth would disagree. The key players of the then Europe would not
As concerning the British Empire, historians have labeled the Victorian Era as “a long period of prosperity for the British people, as profits gained from the overseas British Empire, as well as from industrial improvements at home, allowed a large, educated middle class to develop.”(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_era) Queen Victoria, for whom this era is named, publicly identified the source of their prosperity when she said,
“that book [the Bible] accounts for the supremacy of England.”

The Europeans did not colonize the new world (Africa, Australia, etc) because of religious persecution. Colonization was state policy to exploit other Nations of their resources. Please refer me to the history books your are reading.

Historians refer to America as the 'New World'. go and study history plz. It was called the New World before they changed it to the United States and all that. I used the New World to refer to the America

You and your quoted source make so many wrong assumptions and speculations that i do not know where to start. But you really need to brush up on the Industrial revolution, where when, how and why it started. It has very little to do with protestants. Except you also want to tell me that the industrial revolution of Japan and China has protestant imprints also. Nothing concerns Newtonian science of Mechanics, optics and calculus with social sciences, they developed in quite parallel lines.

Sir I used a secular source that you can easily verify not a religious one. That makes me believe your mind is made up, and that badly because you have so many false assumptions that lack facts.

The Bible influenced the Government of all developed nations - What of Japan and china?
I didnt say 'all'.read it again.the right word should have been "most". Even Japan was influenced by a professor from the United States. No time for that now

How can you say that the Bible is relevant to every generation? The Bible was not relevant to precolonial Africa, the Bible was not relevant and is still not relevant to most nations of Asia, middle east and places without European influence. The Bible is not relevant to at least half the world's 6 billion population.

Maybe you misunderstand the use of 'relevance'.By that I mean the principles of the Word of God(the Bible) can be applied to any society.The Europeans applied it to the precolonial world and we are better today for knowing Christ and dropping our barbaric lifestyle. Till tomoro the Word of God can be applied to any society.

Europe did not loose it status as the world powerful nations because of the Bible, it was due to adopting new priorities of socialist economies that emphasize social welfare as against Military Armaments. Also at the time of the establishment of The US, Europe was still under the firm grip of the Bible (Christianity) and heresy was still a capital offense.

When light disappears any other thing can cause a failure but we may not attribute the grand cause to the absence of light. The Bible was the light of Europe, when they started replacing it with science and reason, the light started fading.Better differentiate between Christianity (as a religion of Roman Catholics) and Christianity (as followers of Christ). The people that escaped to Form America or the New World were those looking for freedom to practice their faith. They were being persecuted by 'religious' christians

Further more, The US has Abandoned Christianity as a state policy and adopted secular religious policies in Government, schools, etc.

The Foundation of the United States is still based on Christianity and it was this foundation that made God bless them in the first place. Just like God protects the Jews because of His covenant with Abraham. Many of them dont know Him today but He cannot abandon His Covenant with Abraham. Read how the Jews have defeated the surrounding Arabs. its an amazing story.

As i said earlier, industrialization does not favour the Bible, because the Bible cannot help in tackling industrial related problems, of better and efficient means of production, it does not help in creating new machines and materials - science does.

I am afraid you dont know history. the industrial revolution followed closely the Reformation and John Calvin is a known figure. When the Industrial Revolution started to power its way onto the world stage, it was fueled by what is today known as the Protestant work ethic pioneered by John Calvin a pastor. Go and study the protestant work ethic very well. this is why some call John Calvin the father of the Industrial Revolution.
But let me point out here that Science and Bible are not opposites. they are meant to be complementary. The founding fathers of Science were devoted Christians who believed their work were expression of God. Let me paste this piece from the Encarta Encyclopaedia on the "Scientific Revolution"
Atheism, previously unknown in Christian Europe, gradually became an increasingly popular alternative to religion. Ironically, although all of the major figures in the scientific revolution were devoutly religious and saw their scientific work as a way of proving the existence of an omnipotent creator, the new mechanical philosophies were appropriated by atheists. Those who wished to deny the validity of the religious world-view could use the new philosophies to suggest that the world was capable of functioning in an entirely mechanistic way with no need for supernatural intervention or supervision,
Many of the central beliefs of the Enlightenment and new social sciences developed at that time owed their origins to the powerful stimulus of Newtonian science. But all too often it was a Newtonian science devoid of the God that Newton himself had believed in. Newton was especially devout and explicitly stated that his system was intended to demonstrate the existence of God, but he was powerless to prevent the irreligious interpretation of his science. From then on the secular scientific world-view became increasingly dominant.
Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Also the form of government of the Bible - Monarchy, cannot work in Industrial societies, it is best suited for Land and Landlord based agrarian societies. It is Democracy that is suited to an Industrial society. It helps regulate the relationship between the government and the govern, and between the workers and their employers. The needs of industrial societies is democratic power and not an all powerful autocratic God that do and undo.

You may not know how the Bible influenced the Government of Developed Nations. I consider that a topic for another day. But just know that the three arms of government the legislature, the judiciary and the executive were gotten from the Bible where God was seen as the three of them
Isa 33:22
For the LORD is our judge(Judiciary), the LORD is our lawgiver(legislature), the LORD is our king(Executive);
KJV
AMERICA'S FOUNDATION IS STILL CHRISTIAN, THEY MAY HAVE INVENTED SEVERAL INTERPRETATIONS TO WHAT THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DO

They simply did not understand the world the way we do now. Their knowledge was lacking which is not a bad thing in itself; but to use that as a basis of making important decisions today with the information currently available is not a good way to proceed in my opinion.

The information available today does not nullify a flood. In geology, which I studied, I know scientists do not refute a flood covering the entire earth. Their own interpretation may be different, but let God be true and everyman a liar. Was it not science that predicted health, wealth housing etc for all by the year 2,000 when the Bible prophesied natural disaster, famine, diseases to come. today science is adjusting their prediction and its corresponding to the Bible. well, watch out for my coming blog topic: Global Warming or Global Warning, Coming soon. It will show you how science is shrouded in speculation and how the Bible is far ahead of Science in many ways. You can subscribe to follow the blog so you dont miss it. visit http://judewatchman..com to subscribe

wirinet:
Try not to think in terms of right and wrong. It has more to do with which one is useful to which society and in which period or age.

The Bible (old testament)  had its usefulness, during the time of the Babylonian exile to the even the present day to the Jews, to create order, justice, maintain cultural and family ties and even help in solving some physical, psychological and social  problem of that time.

Likewise the new testament was able to deal with problems facing the Roman Empire from the time of Constantine to very recently in Europe.

Meanwhile Science came along to deal with different set of problems for different time and  society - the age of industrialization. The Bible can be used to solve the problem of Agriculturisation but will be useless when trying to use it for an industrial society. That is why the Bible is usually abandoned when a society transform from an agrarian one to an industrial one.

No Sir, the Bible is relevant to every generation. even the Old Testament is filled with stories of how people can become blessed of God and abandon their source. It does not mean the word of God was no longer relevant, but that men abandoned it to seek their own  ways. another man comes,picks it up reads it and applies it and start seeing the results.
"The Lords people grew rich, but rebellious; they were fat and stuffed with food. They abandoned God their Creator and rejected their mighty Saviour" Deut 32:15 (GNB)
When Europe started departing from God they started loosing their status as the most powerful nation. they lost it to an emerging nation who built their country on Biblical values.(America)
Read this Blog, it will bless you
http://judewatchman..com/2009/09/tale-of-two-ships_29.html

thehomer:
@ PrinceEmek

If this is what you actually think, I think you really need to educate yourself on basic science. It's a very sad thing to find in this world that we live in someone this ignorant about basic scientific theories. I think you should first educate yourself. Wikipedia is also online and is free. I'm sure simply reading the introduction to the topics you're alluding to should give you some insight.

I should believe you are the one that needs education. Probably, you studied one of the arts and thus mystified by scientific theories. I was opportuned to study the sciences, Geology in particular and can tell you that scientific theories change with discoveries. Never rely even on the Wikipedia articles, most of them were written by skeptics like you who do not understand spiritual truths. Our faith in God is not based on such science or wisdom
in 1 Corinthians 2:4 Paul says
"and my teaching and message were not delivered with skillful words of human wisdom, but with convincing proofs of the power of God's Spirit. Your faith then does not rest on human wisdom but in God's power. Yet I do proclaim a message of wisdom to those who are spiritually mature. But it is not the wisdom that belongs to this world-or to the powers that rule this world-powers that are loosing their power. The wisdom that I proclaim is God's hidden wisdom, None of the rulers of this world knew this wisdom"

It went further to say
"so then we do not speak the words taught by human wisdom, but in words taught by the spirit, as we explain spiritual truths to those who have the Spirit. Whoever does not have the Spirit cannot understand spiritual things, they are nonsense to them, because their value can be judged only on spiritual basis" 1 Corinthian 2:13-14
Good News bible

Most likely then, you may not have the spiritual antenna to decode spiritual waves. thats why its nonsense to you. Please give your life to Christ and recieve His Spirit, it will help you a lot in judgement