What is the truth about Jesus? What is the truth about the Christ? Are they the same truth? Are they the same person? Most people (religious and nonreligious) think of one person to whom they commonly refer as Jesus Christ as though Christ were this person’s surname. Christ is not Jesus’ last name but instead is an honorific title. It comes from the Greek word christos. The Greek christos is a translation of the Hebrew word messiah, meaning anointed one. This was the title of leadership given to Israelite kings and priests because they were doused or anointed with oil as a sign of their office. As it pertains to Jesus, he was called Christ as an expression of faith that he had been anointed by God as king and priest. Strictly then, the proper expression should be “Jesus, the Christ” or “Jesus, a.k.a. Christ”

Nobody is claiming that the knowledge of evolution is complete. We are learning every day. That is how the world progresses. New ideas are coming up every day, and they are subjected to the scrutiny of the scientific method. If they stand the scrutiny, they become accepted. Even then, they are being refined and polished every day! That is progress. Creationists want knowledge to remain fossillised to ideas of illiterate desert cattle rearers some 2000 years ago. It is interesting how creationists hold the genesis story as a sort of 'default' position, so that once they can find a small gap in the present knowledge of evolution, then the genesis story must be correct They scream blasphemy and threaten you with hellfire if you try to ask even the most basic clarification of the story they claim is infallable.

A question for creationists: Why do you assume that there was only one creator? Maybe there were two creators? Or three? Or a hundred creators, who themselves were so complex that they must have needed a thousand 'super creators' each! You can use the same twisted logic to arrive at any conclusion you fancy!!

mantraa wrote:
Not quite.

You'll have to take that up with the Jews, alaper. No one here wrote Deuteronomy, or anything in the bible for that matter. Between scuttling to the US for money and weapons and harrassing Palestinians, I'm sure they'll make the time for questions on what their ancestors wrote.







But this is suppossed to be the word of God!!!   Unless we now say the 'good' parts of the bible are the word of God, and the 'bad'  or embarrasing parts are not.

I have a problem with the idea of the word “destiny”.   If  future events relating to us are not fixed and unchangeable, then it cannot be defined as destiny.  If you can change your destiny, then it must have been your destiny that you will change your original destiny to your new destiny ==== and so on and on and on ad infinitum!  This means the original “destiny” was not your destiny to begin with!  It is an example of circular reasoning.   Destiny is just one of these meaningless religious ideas which do not make any sense when looked at closely.  Like predestination, prophesy, miracle etc.  It is just a ridiculous idea.

[b]Deuteronomy 13:6-16 (New International Version - UK)[/b]6

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known,

    7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other),

    8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him.

    9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.

    10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no-one among you will do such an evil thing again.

    12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in

    13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, Let us go and worship other gods (gods you have not known),

    14 then you must enquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you,

    15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock.

    16 Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin for ever, never to be rebuilt.

   
There endeth the lesson!

An interesting read in the Sun
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/newsonthehour/2010/may/16/newsbreak-16-05-2010-001.htm

Even if there is some sort of intelligent designer, that doesnt prove anything!  There is no evidence that mankind is central to its agenda or even relavant to it more than any other organism in this planet or even in the whole universe.  It could be that its central focus is some sort of life in some far away galaxy.  And there is no evidence that it demands 'worship' and subservience of any sort.  There is no way this idea of intelligent design can be stretched to prove or explain all the ornamental trappings of religion like scripture, churches, dogma, religious laws, tithing, prophesy, preisthood, etc  which have over the ages been put there to dress up what is essentially just an idea.  They have become so structured that everyone has forgotten that it was just and idea to begin with.  It is like dressing the invisible man.  Everybody sees him when he is fully clothed.  But soon everybody forgets that there is nothing inside, and they are only seeing the clothes.  Everybody has become so obsessed with the clothes that nobody is asking whether there is anything inside to begin with.  Sadly, that is the story of religion

Re: Why Did God Have To Take A Break After Six Days Of Actively Creating The World?
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Remember that God did not create the earth in seven literal days. For one day to God is a thousand years. God rest on the seventh day to allow what he had already created to develop according to his will or how he wanted the earth to be. There more to it, I leave it at this.



This is quite funny. Do you mean that we should change Genesis account to say god created the world in six thousand years and rested for one thousand years? No matter how much fundamentalists twist and turn, the bottom line is that the Genesis story doesn't make sense! Does any one have any idea how God rested on the seventh day? Was he sleeping? Playing golf? or eating suya? The Bible says he likes the sweet smell of roasted meat!

What then is the purpose of life then? What is the purpose of religion?

Anyone who believes we go to for judgement or heaven or hell does not believe in the rapture and vice versa. We cant have it both ways. Which one is correct?

Interesting links