Logicboy03:
Please add more bible quotes

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You sure are hungry for bible verses!
Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.
Pro 27:22

Logicboy03:
Please, I need more verses like this!

^Sure. Glad to be of service!
The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors. As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Pro 26:10-12

Logicboy03:
Lol....dont you just love that verse, psalm 14;1?

Not only that one but others such as this too. . .
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:19-22

Logicboy03:
lol.....why are you then angry when an atheists tells you that you're ignorant of the facts?

Why are you then angry when a Christian tells you that you are a fool. . .for denying the greatest fact of all.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. Psa 14:1

Logicboy03:

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Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:18-22

. . .he considered not his own body now dead. Truly if your faith is big enough, 'facts' don't count

Praise be to "God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were".

fuelsaver: 23 was inherited from the mother while the sole 'Y' reveals his divine essence. For we know and believe Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost and there was no man's human father's seed in His conception. Is there anything God cannot do? Why should mortal humans question the works of their creator? Hmmmm! Reprobates!!!

"Reprobates" for pointing out where your fanciful tale does not line up with revealed Bible truth (Heb 2:14-16). I can see you give credence to false fables over what is written in the Bible.
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1 Ti 1:4

But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
1 Ti 4:7

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Ti 4:4

And just a little Google search would have shown you how well documented a scam artist is your Ron Wyatt.

fuelsaver: . . .the chromosonal count was only 24. All humans have 46 chromosomes; 23 from the mother and 23 from the father.

A fanciful tale that does not stand up to scripture. Jesus Christ of Nazareth was fully incarnate in the flesh. Meaning He was fully Man. Meaning He had a full chromosome complement of 46. A being with a chromosome count of 24 is not fully man and without blemish. . .a necessary requirement for the atonement to be efficacious.

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Heb 2:14-16

Every tale, revelation, prophesy must be examined in the light of the scriptures. Any which do not align with the scriptures must be discarded.

Man is diploid. To suggest that Jesus of Nazareth was haploid+1 is to suggest He was less than Man.

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Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.
Jer 10:11

aletheia: For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth,. . .

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For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Co 8:5-6

obadiah777: THE HORNS ARE NOT MEN. HORNS MEAN STRENGTH. FOR EXAMPLE AMERICA HAS TWO HORNS ( WHICH AMERICA IS THE SECOND BEAST WITH TWO HORNS IN REV 13 ). THE TWO HORNS ARE ITS ECONOMY AND MILITARY

Horns in certain contexts can mean strength but the meaning of horns in Daniel 7:24 is stated plainly:
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Dan 7:24

It plainly tells us "the ten horns are ten kings".

The principles for interpreting the symbols of Revelation are given us in Daniel. Look at the description of the 4 kingdoms in Daniel 7:
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:3-7

Now consider the description of the beast in Revelation and note the congruence with Daniel's vision:
1. And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Rev 13:1
>> the beasts in Daniel "came up from the sea" just as this beast in Revelation

>> the beasts in Daniel have a combined total of seven heads:
Lion - 1 head
+ Bear - 1 head
+ Leopard - 4 heads
+ 4th beast- 1 head
. . .just as the beast in Revelation also has a combined total of seven heads

>> the beasts in Daniel have a combined total of ten horns:
Lion - 0 horns
+ Bear - 0 horns
+ Leopard - 0 horns
+ 4th beast- 10 horns
. . .just as the beast in Revelation also has a combined total of ten horns

2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. Rev 13:2
>> the 4 beasts of Daniel were lion, bear, leopard and a 4th with ten horns and the beast in Revelation is like a leopard and has the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion as well as the ten horns of the 4th beast.

By the interpretative principles established in Daniel (recall that Daniel had the vision explained to him), beasts = kings/kingdoms and horn = king = man.

These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. Dan 7:17

And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:24

aletheia:
I don't think the beast is one single individual. It is rather a composite kingdom arising from or sharing the characteristics / possible geographic locations of the kingdoms in Daniel's vision:
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. Dan 7:3
Do note that the beast also arises from the sea like those of Daniel's vision. These beasts are described for us. The beast in revelation has the distinguishing characteristics of all the 4 beasts in Daniel's vision, lion, bear, leopard and the dreadful and terrible 4th beast. History shows us that these kingdoms were the Babylonian, Persian and Grecian and Roman empires. . .in today's world. . .Iraq, Iran and Greece/Turkey and Italy.

The horns represent men. . .so the ten horns represent ten rulers of this composite beast empire as we are already shown in Daniel:
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Dan 7:24

CrazyMan:
Note the word dragon...


Note the word beast...


Now in verse 2 of revelation 13:  The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

The beast and the dragon are two different identities...the dragon is Satan

The beast is the Anti christ
Revelation 13:5-10. The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God's holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb's book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.

10 "If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed."
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's people.

Satan (the dragon) would give his power to the anti christ (the beast) to deceive the nations.
Revelation 13: 4. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?"

Hope you get it.

I don't think the beast is one single individual. It is rather a composite kingdom arising from or sharing the characteristics / possible geographic locations of the kingdoms in Daniel's vision:
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. Dan 7:3
Do note that the beast also arises from the sea like those of Daniel's vision. These beasts are described for us. The beast in revelation has the distinguishing characteristics of all the 4 beasts in Daniel's vision, lion, bear, leopard and the dreadful and terrible 4th beast. History shows us that these kingdoms were the Babylonian, Persian and Grecian and Roman empires. . .in today's world. . .Iraq, Iran and Greece/Turkey and Italy.

The horns represent men. . .so the ten horns represent ten rulers of this composite beast empire as we are already shown in Daniel:
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Dan 7:24

sammaking:
'The Gold is mine the Silver is mine' 'the Cattles on a thousand hill is mine'
'The Earth is the Lords n the Fullness thereof'
God made Abraham super aboundantly rich in 'ALL' things n promise to make to make his children inherit these BLESSINGs.
The Idea of being a pooper b4 serving God is of the Devil n not God.
'Come unto me all ye that Labour n are heavy laden and I wil Giv u Rest'
U can not owe ya Landlord n Hav rest.
When u above al things sincerely GO to God he wil giv u REST of ALL THINGs
It is Gods wish n desire that u PROSPER n be in health.
Call ya Fake Prophetz GREEDY n SELFISH, not PROSPERITY PREACHER for a NON greedy n selfish man Preachese Prosperity he's inline wth Gods Perfect will.
I pray that u receive Wisdom n understanding of God to have these perfectly Clear to u.

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At the very least, learn to write proper English.

1. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
1Ti 6:6-11

2. And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Mar 4:19

3. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mat 19:24

Christianity may actually make your life worse.

inurmind: First you say the phrase "more suble than" indicates it was intelligent and could talk, yet it also indicates that it was motivated, how? Besides how come only the snake could talk? What of the other animals? Why was it the snake alone?

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1. If you want to argue about a word, then acquaint yourself with the connotations and denotations of the word. "Subtil" means crafty, cunning, prudent as used in the KJV bible. Craft or cunning implies intelligence. Intelligence implies motives.

2. This particular snake spake. . .the Bible record is clear on that. . .And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Did all snakes in the Garden of Eden speak. Perhaps or perhaps not. What is clear and evident is that this one serpent (or snake) spoke.

inurmind:
I thought you said we are talking about genesis 3 alone? If we go by that chapter there was not even a devil in the first place, just an animal called the serpent.

And the bible is clear that the power behind and motivating the serpent is Satan. If you are hinging your argument on the word "devil", then its pitiable. Devil just means false accuser and slander. So even if that word doesn't occur in Genesis 3, the false accusation and slander which is the activity of the devil is clearly and evidently seen. And so by the simple deductive principle of "if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it's a duck" applies.

inurmind:
One sentence: do some research on Buddha, Krishna, and the canaanite gods.

This is not an answer, just empty bluster and posturing behind the fig leaves of pretend scholarship: If the book of Genesis antedates your Buddha and Krishna by 1000s of years, how then can these be examples of "less evolved versions" of the bible. You need to try harder. Again I ask you:

aletheia: Do show us the "less evolved" versions of the Bible.

inurmind: The book of genesis was talking about the snake. "beast of the field" is a word used to describe animals. I reckon it was the later scribes who wrote the other books of the bible who misinterpreted it to be the devil.

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You are just running around chasing your own tail. Again:

aletheia:
The serpent was a creature. . .the power behind the serpent is shown to us in scripture:
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Gen 3:1
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Rev 20:2

Your wilful ignorance stems from your supposition that the form of the snake today is what it was then. The creature you see today is cursed and has undergone a shape-shift. The bible verses clearly show that the serpent was a creature set above other "beasts of the field". The use of the word "more subtil than" indicates that it was possessed of some intelligence and motivation and the record does show that it had the power of speech.

The bible record also shows that the power that motivated the serpent was none other than Satan.

inurmind:
See, the bible is a book that has been modified countless times.

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You need to provide proof of this claim. Of course, this is untrue.

inurmind:
It is a book that keeps evolving.

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Do show us the "less evolved" versions of the Bible.

inurmind:
I know this might sound crazy to you but if you read the read the book of genesis, you will find out that there was never a devil in the first place, there was never even a Jesus or a holyspirit. All these things were added later on to make the stories more credible.

This is irrelevant and diversionary. Genesis 3 is the issue here. Besides which Bible has stories of Jesus added to Genesis?

@inurmind, advocate666, Ymodulus et al;

There is much richness and treasure in the Holy Scriptures: which careful meditation on them will yield.

God knows the beginning from the end.

Isaiah 46:9-10. Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Since God is All-knowing; He knew even before He created Adam that Man would sin. You may argue that God could have created Man in such a way that Adam would not sin; but that would render the man an automaton, devoid of free will. Yet you need to remember that "Man is created in the image of God". . .to render him incapable of free will is to render him incapable of love and God is Love. Man incapable of free will is less than the image of God. . .incomplete.

So knowing that Man would sin; God still went ahead and created Man with the free will and the ability to choose out of Love, but at the same time He set in place a plan to redeem Man and bring him back to God. God's character is that of Perfect Love; so creating Man in any way less than capable of exercising free will and choice would fall short of the perfection of love; and God cannot act out of character. And God's Love is further revealed by His fashioning out a plan of redemption even before creating the world.

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5: 6-8.

A common misunderstanding by a lot of people, even some Christians is to suppose that Jesus' death was accidental. It wasn't---it was a deliberate plan of God. God already planned for Jesus to die for the sin of the world even before creating the world!

Concerning Jesus; this is written in Matthew.
Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Romans 16:25-26. Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

2 Timothy 1:9-10. Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Titus 1:2-3 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The full details of God's plan of salvation were kept largely hidden until the fullness of time when it was gloriously revealed in Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Yet even though partly hidden; the pages of scripture from Genesis 1:1 onwards are replete with parables, prophecies, types and similitudes that foreshadowed God's redemptive plan.

That this is so is plainly revealed in Hosea: "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets" (12:10). And further elucidated by Jesus Himself: "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself" (Luke 24: 25-27).

God's wisdom and foreknowledge is demonstrated for us to see in the scriptures right from the get-go, for even in Genesis Chapter 1, we begin to see foreshadowings of His plan. Consider for example:

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Genesis 1:4-5)

Of course you know that light and darkness are spiritual metaphors as well. Light then is a representative principle for God, while darkness itself represents sin and anything abhorrent to God. From the verse in Genesis, we see that quite early on God divides the light from the darkness, thus showing us that the light and darkness cannot abide together; showing us by way of metaphor and similitude that He is Holy and does not abide the presence of sin; showing us that sin separates us from the light of His presence.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all (1 John 1:5).

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?(2 Cor 6:14).

In fact one could go all the way back to the very first verse of the bible to demonstrate this principle.

Gen 1:2-3 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Remember Jesus said: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Verse 1 does say God created the heaven and the earth and then goes on to describe the state of the earth as without form and void and covered in darkness. One could read this as a metaphor for the universally spiritually void condition of men without God. There is an allusion to this in 2 Cor 4:6: For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Furthermore; we could consider the cycles of the day as recorded in Genesis. "And the evening and the morning were the first day." This shows darkness preceding light. This once again hinting at the darkness falling upon the earth as a result of Adam's sin before the glorious light of Christ dawning upon the sons of Adam. To put it succinctly, the fall of Adam brought evening and darkness, while the triumph of Jesus Christ (the Last Adam) brought the light of day. It is no surprise then that Christ rose from the grave on the first day of the week at dawn:

Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Now consider this: God could have created the earth without night or darkness; but he choose to do it this way. I believe He did it to show us his foreknowledge of what was going to happen and to provide hints to us of his redemptive purpose in history. For we see this in the Book of Revelation in the new heaven and earth:

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Why is there no night in the new heaven and earth? Simple. There is no darkness of sin.

There are other foreshadowings and similitudes concerning Christ and God's purpose in Genesis; when we consider Adam, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac & so on. . .but time and space constraints will not permit me to go into them now, but you can take out time to study them. The whole point of my discourse is to show that God did not make a mistake in creating Man. . .rather that God created Man because God is Love, knowing that Man would rebel against Him and because God is Love made a way even before creating Man for Man to be reconciled to Him.

Ymodulus:
are u for real? did he do something about the world war 1 and 2?

Yes, he did something about "the world war 1 and 2"

Ymodulus:
he saw tomoro yet he allowed thousands of innocent soul suffer and die.

Who is to say that they are "innocent"? You?

Ymodulus:
he saw tomorrow yet he allowed people weep pass through suffering. ?

All creation is fallen and in bondage to sin. Pain, death, suffering is given.

Ymodulus:
finally if he saw tomoro y didnt he c d possibility of satan disobeying him? or did he see it and still went on with creatin satan even afta knowing he wud cause suffering?

Whatever has happened and will happen did not and will not take God by surprise. He is fully in control.
Again I say to you: He did something about it.

inurmind: How can you love, then regret loving, then love what you regretted loving?
Sounds like an unstable human being to me.

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You prove my point. . .

aletheia:
You have no understanding or experience of love.

Try harder.

inurmind:
Funny how you said he did something about it, then you immediately say I have no understanding or experienced of love.

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Try to maintain some coherence with respect to your own questions. You are all over the place.
You said:

inurmind: I mean what's the point of seeing the future when you can do nothing about it?
Why couldn't he even do something?

I responded:

aletheia:
He did something about it.

You also said:

inurmind:
If a man marries a woman who he is certain would die in a few months, she dies and he starts crying and regretting would you not call him foolish? More so if he marries another woman who is in the exact condition his previous wife found herself to be?

I responded:

aletheia:
You have no understanding or experience of love. Think of another example / analogy

It is clear that you know nothing of Love. God is Love.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 Jn 4:8

inurmind:
If it was the devil then how come the snake was punished for it not the devil?

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Perhaps you may reconsider what I wrote:

aletheia: The serpent was a creature. . .the power behind the serpent is shown to us in scripture:

Everyone involved in the tragedy was punished. . .man, woman, serpent. . .so the excuse "the devil made me do it is not tenable".

inurmind:
Besides, the verse you quoted does not in any way imply that it was the devil, it infact implies that it wasted snake. The term "beast of the field" could only be describing an animal.

Again. . .

aletheia: The serpent was a creature. . .the power behind the serpent is shown to us in scripture:

inurmind:
The reason you gave is inconsistent. How is he being like god by leading man to death?

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aletheia:
The reason was a desire to be god and is given thus:
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:13-14

I will ascend into heaven.
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God
I will sit upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds
I will be like the most High

This is Satan's manifesto so to speak. Part of his plan to achieve his end is to co-opt man and angels in rebellion and disobedience to God.

inurmind:
So the fruit was a perfectly normal fruit? Do you know what you are saying? Another funny thing is that you have started making it seem metaphoric.

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You want Genesis 3 to be metaphor? In what way is saying that "it also contains for us archetypes about the condition of man" making it seem metaphoric.
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.Gen 3:6
I reiterate:

aletheia:
It is not what the fruit contains. . .but rather what its source is and what it represents. The fruit comes from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The fruit is the outward, visible manifestation of nature of the tree. As Jesus says (to paraphrase): "Make the tree good and its fruit will be good. Make it bad and it's fruit will be bad."

inurmind:
Anyway, if the knowledge of good and evil Is not about gifts of reason then what is it about?

Man before the fall was a rational, thinking being so the tree of knowledge of good and evil "is not about gifts of reason". It is about a life lived apart from God, outside of God's will. It is about desiring like Satan to be god.
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Gen 3:5
Thus Satan tempts by presenting us with the same desire that actuates his rebellion. . .to usurp the position of God.
So long as you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you cannot eat from the tree of life.

inurmind: In the bible, god is described as all powerful and all knowing, infact he can see the future. So we can fairly conclude that god was quite aware that the following things would happen: human beings were going to sin greatly, he would be grieved by that, he was going to regret creating them. But can you imagine?! He still goes on to create them!
Please what is the sense in this?
I mean what's the point of seeing the future when you can do nothing about it?
Why couldn't he even do something?

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He did something about it.

inurmind:
What makes even less sense is that after killing all the people on the earth, he still goes on to raise a mass of people as sinful as the previous one.

If a man marries a woman who he is certain would die in a few months, she dies and he starts crying and regretting would you not call him foolish? More so if he marries another woman who is in the exact condition his previous wife found herself to be?

So please my dear Christians, do some thinking for me and answer the questions mentioned above?

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You have no understanding or experience of love. Think of another example / analogy

inurmind:
Okay, what was the serpent's reason and what did the fruit contain?

The serpent was a creature. . .the power behind the serpent is shown to us in scripture:
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Gen 3:1
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:2

The reason was a desire to be god and is given thus:
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:13-14

It is not what the fruit contains. . .but rather what its source is and what it represents. The fruit comes from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. As I stated earlier the account of Genesis 3 is history but it also contains for us archetypes about the condition of man. Every man (and woman) is presented with a choice. To eat from the tree of life or to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. To live or to die.

Atheist:-D:

wow...

Bold...

You would probably believe anything written in the bible.

Not just anything is written in the bible.

Some things are written in the bible.

Yes, I believe that the bible is a true record / witness of everything written in it - including the events of Genesis 3.

inurmind:
So you believe a talking serpent for some unknown reason chose and was able to tempt eve to take a fruit which contained reasoning powers and which god for no good reason placed in Eden?

The serpent's reason is not unknown neither did the fruit contain reasoning powers and God has a reason for all He does. Yes I believe the events of Genesis 3 happened as recorded.

Atheist:-D:

I was waiting for someone to quote that nonsense. Parables serve no purpose other than to deceive. If Christ didnt interpret the parables to his disciples they would never have known the message. The language of a deceiver is neither clear nor concise. The secrecy is so that you can claim and interpret the message into multiple translations.

The bible is one BIG parable which is why there are multiple translations for every denomination. The bible allows you to do whatever you want.... incest even

^
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. Titus 1:15

inurmind: Do you really believe that this happened? Or do you think it's metaphoric?

It wasn't an apple. And, it happened as written.

tomzman:
sorry sir, I don't seem to get you.

Simply that, there is a time for praying out loud, and a time for silent prayer. Examples abound in the bible.

Atheist:-D:

Xtians and their riddles .... err.... parables.

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Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Mat 13:13-15

@OP: To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: . . . a time to keep silence, and a time to speak.

Bro Goshen, this is nice. I'm learning some new stuff here. Please update ASAP.

toba: . . .drivel
. . .read through the previous pages and see that i've made some comments that caused no harm. . .

. . .some more drivel

Stop trying to be disingenuous. Your very first comment on this thread after 4 pages of nominations was to cast aspersions on the nomination process which was transparent and easily audited by everyone.

toba: something is wrong somewhere. This nomination isnt fair at all

I am not deceived by you. I know exactly what you are. A petty, envious, insecure child. Your contributions on this thread have been actuated by nothing but envy and jealousy that a relative newcomer logicboy is getting the recognition which you have not so secretly craved, but which has eluded you. . .despite your claims to "power and influence on NL".

Someone was right to dismiss you as a Davidylan wannabe. . .for it is obvious that you really are so insecure as to crave recognition as one of the leading lights of the religion section of NL.

You really are full of it.

toba: . . .i seldom post in this section these days. . .

. . .and yet you are making such a to do about how the nomination is "not fair" and so on.

Well since you seldom post in this section, kindly leave and go back to doing what you do best on NL, which is to infest the Islam section and lust after Muslim females.

Begone hence and stop disturbing us here.

toba: How does anything that's happening on this thread affect ur life personally? If its a meaningless award/online poll, then shut da fu4k up and move on. What will u say to Frosbel who said this? 'It's now a contest between that PEST and the BROTHER'. are u going to insult him or call him names? Grow up and get a life. There's more to life than crying on NL. Mtcheeeeeew.

Yours is an example of cognitive dissonance. In what way does this NL poll affect you personally that you are getting so unbalanced and worked up?

I did not address frosbel because he did not appear on this thread with passive aggressive cavilings and trying to blackmail others to vote for his preferred candidate as you have done.

You on the other hand are clearly failing to take your own advice. Indeed this online poll seems to have so enveloped you that you have descended to profanities e.g.

toba: . . .shut da fu4k up. . .

Clearly you are coming unhinged if an online contest can get you so worked up. But why should I be surprised seeing that for you Nairaland is the be all of your being:

toba: thought u ve known me for a while and can decipher how powerful and influential i am on Nairaland.
dont play with fire, u dont need to be told it burns

O, I am quaking in my boots at the awesome power and influence of toba of Nairaland. Not.

You need to develop a sense of proportion. This thread was peaceful until your disruptive self appeared on it. On this thread you have been a shame and a disgrace to the name Christian. . .seeing how worked you get about this online contest does indicate to me that there is high probability of mental illness affecting you. Go see a doctor.

toba: I dont care. I maintain my stance.

And what stance is that? You sound like a churlish two-year old throwing a tantrum because she didn't get her way. Grow up, you silly child! It is immaterial and of no importance whatsoever who wins poster of year. . .though it is sad & amusing to me every year the shenanigans and manipulations that some of you so-called "Christians" (of which you are a chief Pharisee) undertake in trying to win a meaningless online poll which basically nothing but a pissing contest.

Already on this thread, there are observable attempts by you lot to blatantly rig this poll. Everyone should vote as he or she feels like and not be pressured through blackmail to vote the "Christian" candidate.

God's-Word:
I have written a book titled: why non-tithing christians stay poor and How tithing christians can become rich.
The book is available in PDF format. Total of 88 pages.
It reveals the hidden secrets. . .

God's-Word:
I hav'nt written the book yet.

At OP. . .you are a liar.