toba: any atheist that votes against a fellow atheist is a bad atheist and any christian that votes against a fellow believer in God is a bad christian. Its even worse for a christian

That would make me a bad christian then...since I voted logicboy. In fact, your attitude on this thread made me to vote for him. . .and I hope he wins.

Gbawe:
Oyinlola took a relatively expensive loan to build six Stadiums as if Osun was planning to host the Olympics. Go figure. I don't know how you can compare the loan granted to Oyinlola, with stringent conditions, to the longer term bond utilisation under discussion here.

http://www.punchng.com/news/we-advised-oyinlola-against-n18-38bn-loan/

1. My point is this: I don't trust any politician of whatever hue (especially our state governors who have a penchant for profligate financial recklessness) that take out loans and further push their states into indebtedness. Depending on your viewpoint, any loan can be justified. Aren't there other means through which Osun could have raised the necessary funds such as increasing IGR, plugging loopholes for waste and corruption, a public-private partnership etc.

2. When it comes to issues such as these, my own opinion is that the people's voice should be heard. Did the people of Osun agree to this? Will they have to pay for this in future through increased taxation &c?

3. It is possible that the current governor of Osun may prudently utilize the funds but only time will tell.

4. Trust no politician.

Gbawe:
Contrast with Oyinlola who took a much condemned 18.38 billion loan at the twilight of his tenure.

The difference is that between six and half a dozen.

JeSoul: Na una sabi.

Abeg leave my NIV for me jor.

We 've had this conversation before.

It is no surprise that the NIV is what it is. . .it's source is the Vatican via the corrupted catholic Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus.

CrazyMan: Christians would have to unite if at all we want to win this election.

And "Winning" proves what exactly.

My vote goes to. . .logicboy.

Nominations:
1. Goshen
2. Frosbel

cjrane:
Victoria Gowon is an Igbo woman. She married Gowon in 1965. Now you go do your research. It is also your history.

Wrong. Gowon did not get married in 1965.

But also, in 1969, Gowon got married to Ms. Victoria Zakari in a State and Society wedding in Lagos

Is Zakari an Igbo name? There's already too many untruths and inaccuracies on NL. Don't add more.

So is frosbel is "giving up on God and going back to the world"? Can't seem to make sense of this thread.

Joagbaje:

It's not about God revealing, it's about a man picking wrong signal. There was a time a lying spirt came upon good prophet , a they prophesied wrongly. God allowed it to destroy ahab . But they were prophets of God.

The 400 prophets of 1 Kings 22 were prophets of God? Really? Will God send a lying spirit to a true prophet? Please engage in some forethought before rushing to defend men.

frosbel: of course the WORD of GOD is eternal , but the WORD of GOD as defined in John 1:1 is what is says , his WORD.

And this WORD was made flesh or fulfilled in the Person of Christ Jesus.

The Word in John 1:1 is not just His Word. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Do you think the underlined words will go away, just because you pretend they are not recorded.

Just go back to cutting-and-pasting. At least you were more coherent then. Now, you present a confused and incoherent hodge-podge of contradictions as in the post referenced here. It was so painfully obvious how you squirmed and turned just to avoid bringing into consideration these words: the Word was God.

frosbel: The bible does not say " in the beginning was the SON and the SON was with GOD and the SON was GOD ".

1. The bible says "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2. The bible says "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
3. So the Word was God and the Word was made flesh and so was revealed the only begotten of the Father.

frosbel: The bible simply says GOD's word, plan , purpose before the foundation of the world was manifested in the flesh in the form of his SON Jesus Christ.

In what way is "GOD's word, plan , purpose" God?. . .for it is written: the Word was God. Stop interpolating your own ideas into the plainly written words as Eve did in the garden.

frosbel: Wrong, a MAN was required to bridge this gap not GOD.

I repeat: There is a Bible verse that clearly states that no man can redeem another man or give a ransom to God for his soul that he should live forever. You know you cannot disprove this assertion.

frosbel: God is not a MAN.

But the Word of God who was God became a man. . .and the Son of man in heaven descended from heaven.

frosbel: To suggest that GOD himself became a man is an insult.

An insult to your sensibilities and pride, but clearly and unambiguously written:
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Ti 3:16



The scriptures warned about the likes of you:
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2 Jn 1:7-9

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1 Jn 2:19

By and by, it shall be apparent that the same false spirit that actuates the RCC is what drives you hither and thither.

plappville:
The verse contradict your belief that Jesus is God. Moses said "like Me", If you believe Jesus is "God" and the prophecy says The coming prophet will be like Moses, then Moses is God also abi? Or that Jesus is Not GOD But a prophet like Moses, full stop.

You lot are. . .endlessly rehashing Muslim and Jewish arguments.

1. The Word of God became flesh means Jesus came as a Man --- indeed as the Son of Man. So 'like me' is only highlighting the fact that The Word of God descended from heaven as the man Jesus.
2. The Word was with God and the Word was God.
3. Ergo, God became flesh and we saw Him as the man, the Son of God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. . .the only begotten, not adopted.
4. Understand this: the Incarnation is the necessary means to salvation for only God could bridge the chasm between Man and God and He did this by becoming a Man and thereby reconciling Man to God. There is a Bible verse that clearly states that no man can redeem another man or give a ransom to God for his soul that he should live forever.
If you consider yourself a diligent bible student then search out that verse in the book of Psalms. . .but understand this only God becoming a man can give a ransom to God for mens' souls. . .something that Job understood in the midst of his suffering. . .(9:33) and you do agree that Jesus gave a ransom for us. . .?

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:5

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:15

The prepositional clause And for this cause is basically summarizing Hebrews chs 1:8. Study them again.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 Ti 3:16

Jesus Himself had much to say about who he was. Consider for example this:
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:62-63

Note two things here:
1. The Son of man ascending up to where he was before? This states that the Son of man was somewhere before coming down to earth. Jesus Himself clearly states this: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Joh 3:13
Some OT prophets: Isaiah, Ezekiel and Daniel did see the Son of man before he descended to earth.

2. The words of Jesus are spirit and life. That is a clear claim to Deity. Tell me. Are your words spirit? That the words of Jesus are spirit is clear when you consider these:
i. God is a Spirit
ii. The Word was God
iii. The Word became flesh
iv. Isn't it then obvious how the words of Jesus are spirit and life?

But this are the days spoken of in prophecy and so it not surprising that you lot have arisen. . .

frosbel: 1. If Jesus pre-existed, what did he pre-exist as

In heaven Jesus is the Word of God, whether in the past, at present or in the future.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:1

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:13

frosbel: 2. Why did the Spirit of the Son not overshadow Mary , why the Holy Spirit

Irrelevant straw man argument. Does the Bible mention or talk about "the Spirit of the Son"?
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luk 1:35

frosbel: 3. Was the process of conception bypassed

What do you understand by "the process of conception"? Conception in this context simply means "the action of conceiving a child or of a child being conceived." So you clearly know the answer to your question. . .but here is a hint to help you reason out the answer:
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same. . .

frosbel: 4. How could God fit into a zygote

Your sticking point. Here's an imperfect analogy: Man to God is like the bottle to the oceans. You can not pour the oceans into the bottle but you can put a portion of the oceans into the bottle.
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:7

Here is a question to you: why is it necessary for the scriptures to qualify Jesus with words such as was made in the likeness of men. Has it ever been necessary to qualify the sons of Adam in such terms?

frosbel: 5. Why did GOD have to exalt Jesus if he pre-existed as GOD , why did he not just take his original position

Your reading is incomplete. The exaltation is in relation to his descent from heaven into the lowly estate of man. Having descended and laid aside his glory. He is now exalted following His resurrection and ascension. Note that Jesus Himself testifies to His pre-Incarnate glory with the Father:

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:5

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 3:13

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:6-7

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:9

frosbel: 6. If Jesus was begotten, when was he actually begotten

The answer is plain in the scripture. He was begotten at the specific point in time when the Word became flesh. Which is why this is written for our benefit:
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:7

The phrase this day refers to the specific point in time when Jesus is brought into the world. . .this is clear from the written record:
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:20

The Greek word translated "conceived" in Matt 1:20 is the same word translated "begotten" in Acts 13:33, Heb 1:5, Heb 5:5 etc.

And so. . .
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Rom 1:3-4

The verse above definitely references the hypostasis.

Logicboy03:
I am not asking brainwashed peeps like u

But to you all Christians are brainwashed, so why bother asking Christians to defend Image123? Indeed, why should you be bothered that All Atheists are Evil?

God doesn't exist according to you so appellations of Good & Evil should not matter to you. Yet we see you agitated that All Atheists are Evil.

The truth is that it does matter. . .but your error lies in supposing that you are an independent arbiter of what is Good or Evil. This is the temptation held up to Eve by the Serpent. . ."you shall be as gods --- knowing good and evil". So you act true to your fallen unregenerate nature as a god who thinks he knows what is good and what is evil. . .though the examples of good and evil you advance are laughably childish.

There is only one True God who is the Source and Arbiter of Good. You on the other hand though a "god knowing good and evil", will die as the man you are. That is the written word of God.

All Atheists are Evil. That is the fact. They are evil fools.

Logicboy03: Are all atheists evil?

You still asking even after been told yes --- All Atheists are Evil.

Logicboy03:
All muslims are evil
All christians are evil
All atheistic Buddhists are evil
Do you now see the simple problem with your foolish line of thought
64% of japanese are atheists. Can you comfortable say that an absolute majority of japanese people are evil? Just remeber your Toyota/Honda/Sony/Sharp products an remember that the Japanese are very reserved people.

Your understanding of evil is flawed. What you may think of as good may in reality be evil. Evil is often attractive in form.

All that is not good is evil. There are no shades of gray. One of the lessons from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in Genesis 3 is that we often misplace evil for good.

Unless you are clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ, you are evil.

@At topic:
All Atheists are Evil. Case closed.

aryzgreat: My experience at LUTH simply x-rayed naija health system decay.
I had fever coupled with difficulty in breathing, cough and fast pace breathing on little exercise like walking around. I went to LUTH as an out-patient and was treated for malaria, after 3days my condition worsened to the extent that i was rushed to the emergency, from there investigation commenced ECG report was 106bpm (meaning my heart beat at 106 beats per minute rada than normal 60bpm or 70bpm). Medical students used me to do practical, their Reg after checking me said it was PNEUMONIA, come see injection upon injection! i was placed on Augmentin intravenous injection 4 times a day, for 2 weeks no improvement on my breathlessness. I was only relying on God, meanwhile medical students were busy taking my blood sample, urine, stool etc for their personal test like HIV at my cost even when i told them my status(God will punish them)

When the endocrine unit got tired, they transferred me to Respiratory unit after i told them, i will not receive the augmentin injection again, God sent a young Dr from the respiratory unit who after examining me, told me that 2 tests will be needed and my ailment will be diagnosed. He sent me for sputum test and spirometry(lung test). True to his word the spirometry showed a narrowed or swollen respiratory track(which limits the air intake and obstructs my breathing and the sputum test showed my body is resistant to augmentin but susceptible to ofloxacin, so i was placed on ofloxacin anti-biotic tablet and predinisolone (anti-infamatory steroidal drug) as my whole body has been riddled with injection, withing 4 days i was discharged as the anti-biotics relieved me a great deal. The young Dr said it was respiratory track infection.

with d crop of medical students i witnessed in LUTH who will be "pinging" during ward round while their Reg lectures, i wonder what the future of our health system will be. Most of them are just there to answer Dr but not passionate about the job, Human life is nothing to them. I witnessed 9 deaths in my ward alone and was even afraid i might not come out of LUTH alive, but God saved me through that Young Doc. It was a terrible experience but i thank God.

Pneumonia is synonymous with Lower Respiratory Tract Infection. . .so your initial diagnosis was not wrong.

@frosbel:

"If anyone does not accept as sacred and canonical the aforesaid books in their entirety and with all their parts, as they have been accustomed to be read in the Catholic Church and as they are contained in the old Latin Vulgate Edition, and knowingly and deliberately rejects the aforesaid traditions, let him be anathema…" (Council of Trent, 4th Session, April 8, 1546, "Decree Concerning the Canonical Scriptures" )

There is a strong body of evidence that the Old Testament canon found in the Christian Bible (non-Catholic) is the same as that used in Palestine at the time of Christ's ministry. That canon did not include the Apocrypha. Christ referred to Scriptures in Luke 24:44:

"And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

Neither Jesus nor any of the New Testament writers ever once quoted from the Apocrypha. There are 263 quotations and 370 references to the Old Testament in the New Testament and not one of them refers to the Apocrypha

The RCC herself acknowledges that the Jews did not accept the Apocrypha, for it was not a part of the Hebrew canon. A respected Catholic source informs:

"For the Old Testament, however, Protestants follow the Jewish canon; they have only the Old Testament books that are in the Hebrew Bible." ("New Catholic Encyclopedia," Vol. II, 'Canon, Biblical' (Washington D.C.: Catholic University, 1967), p. 29)

And from the book that "ministered to you greatly":

A verse in the Apocrypha can be stretched to support the RCC's heretical doctrine of the immaculate conception of Mary:
"And I was a witty child and had received a good soul. And whereas I was more good, I came to a body undefiled." (Wisdom 8:19,20, Douay-Rheims Bible)

And so Rich4god is right in saying this to you:

Rich4god: Frosbel... You will keep running around until, you find your feet at were you started from.

frosbel:

I don't take advice from Calvinists, the once saved always saved brigade, lol.

But let's be honest , the words are power packed in that book.

Did I lie? The Book of Wisdom is already part of the Roman Catholic Bible. Funny thing is you once were Roman Catholic. Are you now returning to the fold?

frosbel:
After reading it's content, I think it should have been included in the bible.

. . .just become a Roman Catholic. It will then be part of your bible.

frosbel: . . .God is so far removed as to be almost unknowable. . .is exactly what the Trinity is , now you know where the mysterious madness called Trinity came from.

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Your confusion and trajectory is evident. Clearly you don't know what you believe any more. Poor frosbel, having taken on atheists and Muslims in debate from a faulty foundation, they so ran riot over you and sowed seeds of doubt, that your overcompensation for your secret doubts is plain to see. Need I remind you again:

A fanatic is a man who consciously over compensates a secret doubt.

Even in the very presence of the Risen Lord Jesus --- it is written that some doubted like you. But we who did not see and believe that Jesus is he are indeed blessed.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Joh 20:28-29

In your peregrinations and tempestuous wanderings, you did not see Thomas' confession?

So you say: "God is so far removed as to be almost unknowable is exactly what the Trinity is. . .

But plainly this is not true for it is established that:
1. In the beginning was the Word.
2. The Word was with God
3. The Word was God.
4. The Word became flesh.
5. In Him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
6. He who has seen Jesus has seen the Father.

So indeed the historical truth of the faith delivered to the saints is that God revealed Himself to His children through Jesus Christ of Nazareth who is God manifest in the flesh. You are right in using the word mystery though it is unfortunate that you blaspheme by conjoining it with the word madness. Only God can help you,; turn to him in repentance, but will your self-righteous pride allow you?

Your contradictory beliefs are actually neo-Platonism and Gnosticism repackaged. . .though you tried to deflect attention by claiming that it is us not you who are gnostics. Here are two key beliefs of yours:
1. Frosbel believes that Jesus is a mighty god.

One such Gnostic, Cerinthus, took the teachings of pagan Gnosticism and mixed them with Christianity. Cerinthus also proclaimed that "Christ" was the aeon (a lesser god) who made the earth

Of course seeing as you cannot deny or remove even from the watered down bible translations all scriptures that show the Deity of Jesus, you resort to playing footloose with words in order to try to square the circle. Now we know plainly from scripture that there is only One True God. . .meaning that any so-called lesser or other god is a false god. . .thus you try to undermine Jesus to a rank of false god.

So it is seen just exactly the gnostic root of your "Jesus is a mighty god" belief.

2. Frosbel believes that the Word of God in John 1.1 was just a notion, a plan or a thought which only took on embodiment when Jesus was born
In this you echo the neo-Platonists concept of nous:

Demiurge or Nous

The original Being initially emanates, or throws out, the nous, which is a perfect image of the One and the archetype of all existing things. It is simultaneously both being and thought, idea and ideal world. As image, the nous corresponds perfectly to the One, but as derivative, it is entirely different. What Plotinus understands by the nous is the highest sphere accessible to the human mind, while also being pure intellect itself. As nous is the most critical component of idealism, Neoplatonism being a pure form of idealism.[10][11] The demiurge (the nous) is the energy, or ergon (does the work), that manifests or organizes the material world into perceivability.

Readers can judge therefore between you and I whose stated beliefs are Gnostic &c.

To my brothers in Christ, consider and remember this words:

That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:2-6

frosbel: I have quoted hundreds of verses, as usual with your grasshopper attitude you refuse to address them, instead you take 1 verse here and 1 there and jump back in to claim victory grin

Below is the post in question. Show me the "hundreds of verses". You quoted from a lexicon.

frosbel:
Jesus is referred to as Lord and not God in this quoted scripture , so you got this one right and at least this proves that this verse cannot be used to support the doctrine of Trinity.
Somebody is speaking , guess who it is , Lord Almighty God or Jehovah.
2 statements were made here .
1. I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me - John the baptist
2. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. - Jesus Christ

If you had taken the time to check a lexicon rather than jump to conclusions as you are apt to do , maybe you would have noticed that the 2 Lords mentioned represent two distinct titles

The first Lord which refers to Christ means :

הָאָדֹ֣ון

113 'adown aw-done' or (shortened) adon {aw-done'}; from an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, i.e. controller (human or divine):-- lord, master, owner. Compare also names beginning with "Adoni-".

The second Lord who was speaking refer to Almighty God and means :

יְהוָ֥ה

3068 Yhovah yeh-ho-vaw' from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God:--Jehovah, the Lord. Compare 3050, 3069.

Judges , rulers and kings were referred to as Lords in the bible, so the presence of Lord in scripture is not an indication that the person referred to is God or Christ.

When I have some time today, I will dissect the logic of your other comment.

Stop being dishonest about "hundreds of verses". Your mindset is quite telling. . .that you see this as a contest wherein one "claims victory". How sad.

frosbel: God of course, Yahweh, no ?

And does the verse use the word adon or Jehovah? Which one is used here?

frosbel:
Again, Jesus never made any clear cut comment to suggest rather erroneously that when we die, our soul separates from the body. If he did , can you kindly show me where.

^
Really? Matt 10:28 and that one that you dislike so much, Luke 16.

aletheia:
See how you are gyrating all over the place just to try and fit the simple words of Jesus "both soul and body", into your confused doctrinal view. Let's subject your post to simple logic.
Both implies "two", it 's really all simple arithmetic.
1. Body + Soul = both Body and Soul
2. The Body can be killed by men, but the Soul cannot be killed by men.
3. When the Body dies, what happens to the Soul? According to you the Soul dies when the Body dies, because. . .
4. If the soul ceases to exist then it means the soul is dead, whether at the physical death or at the judgement, it makes no difference because it has ceased to exist in both cases.

(If you think about what you have written above): your words imply that there is no difference between when the body dies (physical death) and "eternal irreversible death".

. . .but Jesus Christ clearly teaches us the opposite of what you write: which is there is a difference between the physical (First) death and the second Death.

frosbel:
Plato's tripartite theory of soul is a theory of soul proposed by the ancient Greek philosopher Plato in his treatise the Republic. In it, Plato argues that the soul is composed of three parts: the appetitive, the rational, and the spirited. These three parts of the soul also correspond to the three classes of a just society.[1] Individual justice consists in maintaining these three parts in the correct balance, where reason (aided by spirit) rules, and appetite obeys - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_tripartite_theory_of_soul

Tangential and of no bearing. So which part of Man is appetitive, rational and spirited? Why don't you tell us then? I get a sense you are only just repeating something barely understood. This has no bearing whatsoever to what is taught in the Bible.

frosbel:
Together with the Trinity and eternal torment, you will be shocked at how close the brand of Christianity you practise is to Gnosticism than Christ.

Think about it.

Gnosticism considers the body to be evil, that the universe was created by a demiurge and that God is so far removed as to be almost unknowable. . .and that Christ was an emanation from God.

The irony is that you are closer than I to gnosticism by holding in your confused views that "Jesus is a mighty god" through whom God created the world. . .and that God could not have taken on flesh and become a man.

On just this point did the Gnostics flounder. . .that God became a man.
You bandy terms you probably don't understand. Go back and study more. Begin with the Bible.

frosbel:
spirit and soul is a plain statement, no ? This Word can divide the Soul from the spirit ( God's life in us ) and the Joints and marrow , how on earth can you use this clear statement to deduct the three part man

How about joints and marrow. You no see that one?

frosbel:
Mate , be careful of your theology, it is scary !!

Scary to you.

frosbel: one of your tantrums in action, watch your health, permanent anger can be bad for you.

Your post is disjointed and chaotic in terms of organization. Why is it that you are most coherent only when you are cutting-and-pasting others' articles?
I repeat. . .you are a hypocrite. You appealed to the Hebrew lexicon and yet when others do so you accuse them of trying to appear "a step above the others intellectually." Your own words indict you --- self-righteous Pharisee:

frosbel:
A copy and paste Job with the intention of appearing a step above the rest intellectually

frosbel:
Deceptive nonsense, I carefully took the time to point by point tear your incorrect commentary on Malachi 1:1-3 to shreds, and you have now jumped to Malachi 4:13, stop being a grasshopper mind, let us complete these points one by one.

You are dishonest and lazy. . .hence you avoid the main issue raised and go after red herrings. Typical debating tactic! The main thrust of your argument is simply that in Malachi 3:1-3 since adon clearly refers to Jesus Christ, it cannot then be referring to Jehovah. I simply pointed out to you and others who may be reading that adon is used of Jehovah several times in the OT, even providing an example from Micah (or don't you understand what the words "for example" in my post mean?).

aletheia:
This a rather lame explanation. The Almighty is also referred to as "'adown aw-done' or (shortened) adon {aw-done'}" in several OT scriptures. For example in Micah 4:13 both adown aw-done and Yhovah yeh-ho-vaw appear. Does the adown aw-done here refer to any other than Yhovah yeh-ho-vaw

In the OT where context shows that the Person in consideration is Yhovah yeh-ho-vaw, adown aw-done refers to Him.

Obviously you are afraid of what the scriptures clearly say. . .and we are at liberty to quote from Genesis to Revelation for the whole scriptures testify of Jesus.

Tell us frosbel in Isa 6:1. . .which Lord is sitting on the throne?
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Isa 6:1

I repeat my question to you:

aletheia:
1. He will send his messenger "who will prepare the way before me". [size=14pt]What do the words "before me" tell you?[/size]

. . .but of course you will go haring off at another tangent since you wont be able to find an article to cut-and-paste in response

frosbel:
The Body dies and this is a physical death which is why Jesus said do not fear those who can kill the body.

However at the resurrection , when the spirit of God will be put back into this body for judgement, this body shall become a living soul once more, and if found guilty will be sentenced to eternal irreversible death.

This is why the bible says the soul that sins shall die and of course this is the second death , the last and final everlasting punishment.
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Man is a soul ONLY because he has the spirit or breath/wind of God in his body.

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See how you are gyrating all over the place just to try and fit the simple words of Jesus "both soul and body", into your confused doctrinal view. Let's subject your post to simple logic.
Both implies "two", it 's really all simple arithmetic.
1. Body + Soul = both Body and Soul
2. The Body can be killed by men, but the Soul cannot be killed by men.
3. When the Body dies, what happens to the Soul? According to you the Soul dies when the Body dies, because. . .
4. If the soul ceases to exist then it means the soul is dead, whether at the physical death or at the judgement, it makes no difference because it has ceased to exist in both cases.

(If you think about what you have written above): your words imply that there is no difference between when the body dies (physical death) and "eternal irreversible death".

. . .but Jesus Christ clearly teaches us the opposite of what you write: which is there is a difference between the physical (First) death and the second Death.

aletheia:
. . .these words of Jesus show that the soul is separate and differentiated from the body.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mat 10:28

It says "both soul and body"

And note how this verse references soul, spirit and "body":
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:12

frosbel:
Jesus is referred to as Lord and not God in this quoted scripture , so you got this one right and at least this proves that this verse cannot be used to support the doctrine of Trinity.

Jesus is referred to as Lord in many scriptures.

frosbel:
Somebody is speaking , guess who it is , Lord Almighty God or Jehovah.

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I guess you don't read others' posts:

aletheia:
What is clear here in Malachi is that the Lord Almighty Himself is speaking. . .

frosbel:
2 statements were made here .
1. I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me - John the baptist
2. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. - Jesus Christ

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I guess you don't read others' posts:

aletheia:
1. He will send his messenger "who will prepare the way before me". What do the words "before me" tell you?
2. The Lord Himself will come to his temple. The Lord who comes to his temple is the messenger of the covenant.

The identity of the messenger who prepares the way in Malachi 3:1 is clear, identified and established without equivocation by none other than Jesus Christ Himself:
This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Luk 7:27

And the identity of the Lord in Malachi 3:1-3 is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

frosbel:
If you had taken the time to check a lexicon rather than jump to conclusions as you are apt to do , maybe you would have noticed that the 2 Lords mentioned represent two distinct titles

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So now you appeal to a lexicon? Aren't you just the hypocrite?

frosbel:
The first Lord which refers to Christ. . .

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This a rather lame explanation. The Almighty is also referred to as "'adown aw-done' or (shortened) adon {aw-done'}" in several OT scriptures. For example in Micah 4:13 both adown aw-done and Yhovah yeh-ho-vaw appear. Does the adown aw-done here refer to any other than Yhovah yeh-ho-vaw

In the OT where context shows that the Person in consideration is Yhovah yeh-ho-vaw, adown aw-done refers to Him.

So I repeat the question I asked you comrade in the post that you are responding to:

aletheia:
1. He will send his messenger "who will prepare the way before me". [size=14pt]What do the words "before me" tell you?[/size]

frosbel:
Man + spirit = Soul
Man - spirit = DEAD

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Wrong. . .these words of Jesus show that the soul is separate and differentiated from the body.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Mat 10:28

It says "both soul and body"

truthislight:
is this simulteniouse equation that you are solving?
Lol.
Job talked about the time he will be resurrected by Jesus a messenger of Yahweh.
Infact you are inputing wrong ideas into those scriptures, the scriptures does not need your help, just allow the scriptures to speak for itself.
You mixed alot of things up that are unrelated.

So you don't understand these words: "yet in my flesh shall I see God."?

And you are silent after your dishonest twisting of Malachi 3:1-3.

BARRISTERS: @Alethia
you claimed that the book of job has many verses to back your claim,but it will be noteworthy that you CANNOT QUOTE JUST ONE, but to rely on someone else, and even the one you relied on is not even related to what you claim. . .

I have not even started quoting the relevant verses in Job. . .yet. The reference given by Olaadegbu is one of them. And it is obvious you have not understood what this words mean: For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God.

1. This verse shows the pre-Incarnate existence of Christ.
2. It also shows that the redeemer is God Himself.

You string together verses and yet do not understand what they are telling you: e.g.
I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.

But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness,

You dishonestly highlighted the first part "I will send my messenger" of verse 1 and "But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?", the beginning of verse 2. Whereas the subject of the part "But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?" is actually this part of verse 1: the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,
That is the one whose coming is referred to in verse 2 not the messenger who will prepare the way.

What is clear here in Malachi is that the Lord Almighty Himself is speaking and he says:
1. He will send his messenger who will prepare the way before me. What do the words "before me" tell you?
2. The Lord Himself will come to his temple. The Lord who comes to his temple is the messenger of the covenant.

The identity of the messenger who prepares the way in Malachi 3:1 is clear, identified and established without equivocation by none other than Jesus Christ Himself:
This is he, of whom it is written, [u]Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Luk 7:27

And the identity of the Lord in Malachi 3:1-3 is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

The evidence for the deity of Jesus abounds in nearly all books of the bible but your perception filters cloud your vision and prevent you from seeing them.

truthislight:
reign/rule over who?
This should be a very simple question that deserved a very simple answer, why the run in circle?

truthislight:
the Angels there mentioned are the fallen Angels,
besides, this judginging of Angel is a passing phase and all the faithful still have eternity befor them after the judging, what or who will they rule over after the judgement?

God's loyal Angels in heaven have not done any thing wrong that warrant their being judge.

So, the question remains, who will "all" the righteous people going to heaven rule over?

The scripture clearly states: "we shall judge angels". Simple. All your cavilling is nonsense.

Read these verses again:

aletheia:
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev 5:9-10

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:17

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:6