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ngozievergreen: That's what I was telling them.
babanriga is not of Yoruba origin,
I don't see the big deal there

My sister you are not saying anything, should we give credit to someone who did not have any influence ?

Fulaman198: Takrur or Tekrur was a Fulani empire. We have a Songhai group in Nigeria called Zarma. Fulani have always had different kinds of clothing based on region.

Riga is just a shirt. Babban riga is what Yoruba's call Agbada

Yes but just like different groups in africa, they are divided into clans and what I am pointing out is that some clans of fulani were still walking naked when the Hausa and yoruba had clothes.

Moreover they are different, Agbada can be done with Aso Oke. It is the material I am talking about not the design

Ibrahim mr fish: northern walking naked,what have u guys been smoking?Just look at the nature of Hausa buildings and urs and tell me which one is from a lesser civilization.800year ago people 4m egypt ,tripoly and morroco come to kano to buy cloths and shoes.And even nupe borrow a lot 4m Hausa.stop lying to urself , Hausa kanuri nupe have the best civilization in 9ja.And have been wearing cloths long b4 u guys.

LOL, best civilization. Nigeria in general is nothing to write home about.

And what is wrong in walking naked ? are their not still ethnic groups in adamawa and taraba still walking naked ?

olumidaie: About the Agbada, I'm not sure if it's Yoruba or Sahelian( likely); but it did not originate in Hausa nor Fula; though, dandogo was borrowed from the Hausa. Aso-Oke and Adire and one wonen material this "shines" were Yoruba clothing. These are the following Yoruba clothing:

TOP:
buba( short tunic: both long and short sleeve).
"ghana-styles" body wrapper(like in the statue of Oduduwa.
Beaded vest for royalty.
e.t.c

BELOW:
sokoto
kembe
One form of 3/4 trouser that the body(lap side) is big/look like skirt with two small projection for the for the legs.


For more information picture google "oyo horsemen". You will see a 15/16th century horseman figure with short sleeves and kembe trouser.

Also check Leo Forbenius book on Ife. Someone posted the pictures on Yoruba clothing on Nairaland.

Thank you, nicely put. Most of us don't know our facts before posting.

For example, it is obvious that if you see an Igbo man wearing Agbada or riga it is from the North or West the influence came from. But saying Agbada came from the Northern Nigeria to yorubas, ghanians, camerounians etc is a big lie because even Hausa wore danshiki and fulanis were half nake by the time Yorubas were wearing Agbada and Aso Oke. Now in turn, Nupe people had more influence on the dressing of Yorubas and Hausas than the other way around

ngozievergreen: Agbada is northern, don't argue it.
@ Op, yorubas wear some loose shirt - that flares at the down part.
with trousers

Ibrahim mr fish: Guy even a child knows that it's a northern cloth.So is ashoke and use of Calvert by Yoruba,all are northern culture borrow by Yoruba.Why do u think Hausa call Yoruba children of bayagida?

That so called loose shirt that flares down part is Aso Oke. Agbada was never of northern origin but influnced

Its origin lies with the clothing worn by the Islamized Tukulor, Mandé and Songhai peoples of the historic 8th Century Takrur and Ghana Empires, and 13th Century Mali and Songhai Empires.

This was not from Northerners but from a set of people that has not only influenced northerners but others, Are fons too influenced by Northerners ?

Here is the making of Aso Oke

https://yorubanation.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/aso-oke-weaver.jpg

Here are ancient yorubas

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnzA-M-tp14CEmHFNNaGmPE8tPob5MW-8y03CAGMOdKbBG-tTUYQ[/img]

Aso Oke in Agbada form

Brazilian Yoruba ( Was he also influenced by Northerners far off in Brazil ?)

[img]http://1.bp..com/-gYEwsdlO3L0/UT9T5hkthFI/AAAAAAAAIIk/oBonRi5G38c/s640/babasi.jpg[/img]

When did our interaction with northerners start ? DAYS of Alimi and Afonja ?? Nupes are not Northerners BTW but a Yoruboid group

It is of recent they became Northerners, The kings of Nupe mostly had Yoruba origin back in those days even to the extent that Sango is actually of Nupe origin (Yes the popular sango being worshiped in Edo, SW, brazil, Cuba etc)

This was way before Aso Oke, any Northern interaction etc

[img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfEg-wxFYLKfEIjp5tTxwghlXc5vXf_mQqrgWmxkfFVcSR9Xw1gg[/img]

Now it is safe to say since Agbada was from Mali aka Fulani right ? But compare the yoruba from Oyo in 1910 to fulani in futa jallon in 1905 (5 years difference)


Yoruba

https://lh6.ggpht.com/_o3RfR0wD8Y8/S3aPl47soRI/AAAAAAAAFVU/ZWjuS2GvM0A/yoruba_thumb.jpg?imgmax=800

Fulani

https://lh6.ggpht.com/_o3RfR0wD8Y8/S3aPmgARB9I/AAAAAAAAFVc/25yT8hAzers/MALINKES_thumb.jpg?imgmax=800

Here is hausa in 1950 in kano

https://lh6.ggpht.com/_o3RfR0wD8Y8/S3aPnzv0NjI/AAAAAAAAFVk/M7EOXIx3MB8/hausa_thumb.jpg?imgmax=800

Lagos yorubas in 1890

https://lh3.ggpht.com/-zRd22b84dSk/Ud_TXmjtFHI/AAAAAAAALaM/RAe8D0-haEM/nigeria005_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

Here is hausa

https://lh5.ggpht.com/-ez5-_5gK4V8/Ud_TgE2tOQI/AAAAAAAALbc/bn6E7LNiUUY/nigeria053_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

Their distribution owes much to the diffusion of Islam along key trade routes, although not everyone who wore them was a Muslim. There were a number of mainly quite rare local variants but the predominant type was associated particularly with the[i] C19th Sokoto Caliphate centred on northern Nigeria and primarily the product of Hausa, Nupe and Oyo Yoruba textile workers (cotton spinners, dyers, weavers, tailors, embroiderers, beaters.) The Hausa name for these robes is riga, while among the Yoruba they were called agbada. It is usually not possible to attribute a specific ethnic origin to this type of robe on stylistic grounds alone.[/i] Although today they are often still made from hand-woven cloth, the painstaking and beautiful hand embroidery that was used in the past is very rarely seen. Fine old robes have become family heirlooms passed on from father to son and worn with pride at major celebrations.

Eyo festival Lagos Agabada .

https://lh5.ggpht.com/-LbbhGAg9_FQ/T7uO4DIVyLI/AAAAAAAAJss/k3wucPuO5t8/adamorisha_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

Hausa man in Lagos praying wearing Aso Oke material in Agbada not Babanriga

https://lh5.ggpht.com/-4Ml5OsdjN5U/Tq5_HLmKeeI/AAAAAAAAJTg/-_4a4dBW9eM/hausa_thumb%25255B2%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800


bayagida is coin used to by people to talk of how they interacted before the advent of Nigeria. Hausas had not interaction with Igbos or Ijaws that is why they are not bayagidas, if they had interaction they will be bayagida.

First and foremost, agbada was not introduced by northerners but influenced the dressing.

Secondly aso oke was worn before agbada and even before aso oke, there were cloths we use to wrap ourselves and this was way before any influence by anyone or group

lastly, Edwin clark should shut up. We don't need his praises, Let our work praise us not some baba suwe old looking man

khayce: wait palz,re we really experiencing development in the western regions, or den in the days?

Yes we are still experiencing development in the western region even till date. Rome wasn't built in a day, the western region just built 3 bridges this year, Plantations, Schools, Electrical power plants etc compare to other countries and regions of Nigeria.

can you imagine this shameless governor ...... That's why his people will kill, sell land and do all sort of illegalities to get to Lagos, Kano, Port harcount, Abuja and all over the world.

lagos

Ok first of all op, you have aired your point in a very Stu.pid way lol . Yes I am not from ondo but Lagos. Akure can be a capital and I have no objection to that but the reason why you are a but Stu.pid is that in Yoruba land, where the capital is located is NEVER AN ISSUE SO DON'T MAKE IT ONE. For all I care, warri or yagba can be the new capital, it does not change the relationship. What is most important is how we see ourselves. Tinubu is from osun and was a gov in my state, fashola is from ekiti not Lagos and is a governor in the economic capital so in all these it is clear location of a capital has no bearing.

You remind me of a typical silly igboman tbh

jking001: We know ourselves i don't need to prove to you on nairaland that am one because its not necessary and would not change anything.

keep deceiving yourself

GOD BLESS THE ITSEKIRI NATION


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-G5gMGIbWY

and I can translate this to you if you need help

BTW Jking is NOT ITSEKIRI BUT AN IGBO PERSON. I have no doubt in my mind on that.

Typical Igbo people @ Itsekiris here

I am an Awori Lagosian as well, these Igbos have lied even to a point of suggesting we are Ijaws. These people are ID.IOTS truthfully

We shall see

Katsumoto:

What is yours Alj Harem? I don't believe you are Yoruba jor.

And the folks in Kwara are not kids, they can decide and speak for themselves.

I am 100% Yoruba o. Part Awori omo Lagos Island and Part Egun Badagry.

Yes true, I just wanted to shed more light to my experience in Ilorin

Yesterday

Members of the Oodua Nationalist Coalition and the Arogbo Ijaw Union, on Friday, agitated that regional autonomy should be discussed at the proposed National Conference being organised by the administration of President Goodluck Jonathan.

Members of the Oodua Nationalist Coalition armed with placards bearing various inscription, lined up at the entrances to the Babafunke Ajasin Hall, Akure, the Ondo State capital, where the meeting was held.

Some of the banners read: “50 million Yoruba people enough to form a nation, Stop Oppresing Itsekiri.”

The group’s demand was also contained in the recommendation it presented to the committee.

The recommendation was signed by 13 groups which comprise the Odua Nationalist Coalition include; Oodua self-determination committee (OSDC), O’odua Liberation Movement, The Covenant Group, Oodua Peoples Congress, O’odua Student Alliance, Itsekiri Nationalist Coalition, Yoruba Human Rights Research Centre, Yoruba Federalist Coalition, Apapo Oodua Koya and others.

The coalition said each region should be empowered to create states or countries on its own, stressing that the South West region be made up of Lagos, Oyo, Ogun, Osun, Ondo, Ekiti, Kwara (Not part of Kwara but whole of Kwara) and Yoruba speaking parts of Kogi, Edo and Itsekiri part of Delta state.

They also demanded for the abolition of the Nigeria Police Force.

The Arogbo Ijaw Union led by Chief Francis Williams also canvassed for regional autonomy saying any ethnic group seeking to go should be allowed.

http://www.punchng.com/news/national-conference-yoruba-ijaw-agitate-for-regional-autonomy/

At the end of the day, Kwarans will decide.

lertee: I know all these oga , all parts of kwara speak yoruba but it doesn't mean all kwarans are yoruba.
Then history on yoruba: I dint write anything on that,you can see that I am catching humour with the guy that said ijebus are not yoruba.

LOL I understand. @ bolded; very true

Katsumoto: This is a good question. The risks outweigh the benefits in my opinion.

The people of Kwara are as Yoruba as the other groups and they must decide, in any eventuality, for themselves. By decide, I mean a plebiscite where all vote and not one Saraki fellow voting for all Kwarans. The Kwarans also seem to place religion above Yoruba culture which may make them seem less Yoruba than other groups.

Hmmm but even Ilorin has about 40% Christians. Ilorin might be of not obvious advantage to a yoruba nation but THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE SHOULD DROP WHAT IS OURS IF IN AGREEMENT.

9jacrip: My friend, Oduduwa did not give birth to Yoruba. He only introduced the Obaship/Kingship system which his sons spread across Yoruba land and this is why he's a very significant figure. Before Oduduwa, there had Yoruba people living in in Ife but operated a loose political system which Oduduwa forged into a monarchy system - there are several journals/books on this and if you search through NL you'd find interesting threads where such topics have been discussed at length. If you look in the posts of Katsumoto, DuduNegro, TonySpike, Tolexander to mention a few, you'd find enlightening reads.

Well put, you are a true Yoruba son.

Please educate her properly.

lertee: I can see you just joined this and you are trying to make a point,go through the thread from page two and check if oduduwa has been mentioned severally or not.
One talk leads to another and therefore it is relevant in the discussion.

exactly, Oduduwa should not be the subject of discussion here. Your History on yoruba is quite poor and thus misleading others. Read Katsumoto's post in light of that.

Kwarans especially Ilorin people are not fulanis but yorubas but other migrants such as the hausa and fulani are present in the city. This does not apply to the whole of Kwara state and certainly does not mean Yoruba speaking parts stops at Ilorin. Moreover there is not part of Kwara that does not speak Yoruba even Edu and Patagi. Go to Niger state especially Jebba, their is an Oba there speaking yoruba etc after river Oya or Niger as we know it.

lertee: Thumb down for this.

Hahahaha bliss4lyfe

lertee: I am curious as well,where is the origin of yorubas then if not where oduduwais from? Who gave birth to the yorubas? Orunmila,sango,obatala or who?

So Oduduwa gave birth to the Yoruba race ? LOL

Oduduwa is just a uniting figure whether myth or real does not matter and does not relate to this discussion

Desola: but Kwarans are not part of the Yoruba region now, are they? Kwara is a conquered territory now and except you are willing to shed your blood to break it away, it would forever remain so. The only people who can determine where they belong are the indigenes of that area itself. As it stands now, it not only belongs to the Yorubas but the Hausas too and the mixed Yoruba/Fulanis are saying they want the status quo to remain.

Who are you to tell them otherwise?

Very wrong.

lertee is a troll really

@ Op you are absolutely correct not only about Kwara or even Illorin in particular but also Kogi west/central and delta west.

The truth is that Illorin people are not enlightened about their history and have been brain-washed for years but fulanis. I met someone was called himself/herself fulani and it took me an hour to convince and tell the person why Islam DOES NOT EQUATE TO BEING A FULANI. He/she is Yoruba, speaks yoruba (although halfyorubafulani father and halfyorubafulani mother). A very interesting mix I said to myself. This person is from the ilorin caliphate quite alright but I gave the person history and actually convinced the person why his/her kids are yoruba.

They speak Hausa,Fulani and Yoruba in the house quite fluently but their lifestyle is yoruba. I believe if I can convince such a person then it is possible to educate a minority of them. Although NO ONE SHOULD FORCE ANYONE. IF THEY ARE MORE YORUBA OR MORE FULANI LET THEM BE anything but IGBO is fine by me JK jk jk just let them be

note: apologise for not specifying the gender cus the person knows me

Abagworo: Welcome back Alhaji after the long hiatus and temporary "ijawnization". Its good to be bold and not coward as you've portrayed yourself with that your ijawcitizen moniker.

this is serious Ok I am now Ijaw

ijaw citizen: LWKMD

How a simple name ELUE became a "complex" mathematical expression that went thru' calculus, BODMAS and other mathematical processes and ended up as CHUKWUDEBE & CHIDEBE as the final answer. Is it a quadratic equation?

Why people no go fear mathematics?

i just love the way you ignored these people. Anyone that does not agree with an Igboman is Alj harem LOL I love you jor

founder of PDP.

I will miss the Igbos, their complains like women and obnoxious people. Such fascinating creatures sorry people.

I so love them