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blaqoracle: [size=18pt]you don't own land, you only own the structure.[/size]

Gbammmmm that is the point I am trying to pass across.

i wonder why this is not on the fp

By Mrs Aniekwe [size=14pt]"And you people have started again to ask if we are willing to go back there, anybody that wants to go is free to do so, but I will not cry for any Igbo killed in the North.”[/size]

Madam hope they listen to you and stop arguing stu.pidly.

redsun: Look at this primitive man.Are you talking of somebody that is supposedly living in his/her own country or some nigereans that have waywardly found their ways to nigeria and make it their own,like you?

SMH, Am I the one getting killed ? NO CAPITAL N......O NO

If you are da.ft enough to keep going to Boko haram zones even after all the warnings then good luck. Wetin consign Nigerians with una problem

you would not see any South-southerner, rich hausa, yoruba or middle belters in boko haram zones.

Keep arguing with logic even after giving you instances in other countries.

GotNoBrainsYo: I gotNoBrains, YOu most definitely Got[b]NON[/b]brains

Ok sir. It is always better to let people liek you do what your heart pleases so you don't blame people. I wish you a safe journey to borno even when indigenes are travelling to Abuja and co you an Igbo Christian from nowhere would go there. Good luck sai sannu

eduson55: not us..mind your statement.
they use our political leaders so that they can suppress us never to compete with them.

Yes but how do you tend to change the case ?

Let me remind you that African even within the same FAMILY don't love themselves to a point of selfless acts.

My brother, the only solution I think would bring Nigeria to the limelight (Not africa) is if Nigerian Leader both Local and international STOP LOOTING AND DO THE BASIC things to be done eg electricity then watch Nigeria private sector grow.

eduson55: it will not come to pass.
rather we go for peace.

Yes o !

GotNoBrainsYo: E be like say.. e get some questions when we nefer settle for this country.
And e be like say e go lead to another waR. This new war go confirm to the rest of the modern world say africa na real bush.
I can only imagine the atrocities. Choppping of limbs, cutting tongues, disemboweling pregnant women, rape, torture, starvation/scorched earth.
This would be worse than Rwanda and Sierra Lone and Liberia combined. In fact na African World war 1. Our civilization just dey start.
The black man will eradicate the black man from the earth.
Na real wa!

It would not happen in Nigeria so stop dreaming. Nigerians are too busy looting to worry about that.

berem: so are you gonna blame the igbos who buy these lands or the people who sells it to them? Is there anything wrong if I decide to buy land outside my state? Is there a law prohibiting non indigenes from buying lands where they reside?

No I am not blaming Igbos for it, I agreed with eduson that it is unfair and inhuman but my sister I would not deceive you it is what it is ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD.

People inculding Igbos don't like when aliens come to their land acquire lots of properties and bring more people in. People don't like it does not mean it is Igbos fault. It is just like that

eduson55: dont say that..
its their land tho...Igbo's cannot react to it why because,they hardly retaliate and before they retaliate,
it must have gone worst.
...secondly,we are not so united and loves our biz and investments more than anything.
if Igbos can stop this much quest for money and be united,i bet you westerners cannot compete us in anything.quote me right

But westerners are not in any competition with us. They are just using us.

GotNoBrainsYo: So all of our People wey do use our money go buy property for S. Africa,Dubai London nko?

Because our people are du.mb and have no foresight

GotNoBrainsYo: Abi our people no dey wear shokoto and buba for oyinbo man country?

An do those people wear buba and shokoto everywhere ? Do they use it when they are buying and selling ?

Even at that, is it not the same "du.mb our people" that scream racism, they hate us etc

why would they not hate you

GotNoBrainsYo: Why be say when Ibo man wear Ibo dress for Kano- Na invitation to kill am?

No you do not get my point, my point is that after spending 20 years in a place, you behave like an indigene and NOT MAINTAINING THE VILLAGE MENTALITY.

GotNoBrainsYo: So why did we think it was unfair when South Africans begin Kill Nigerians. WEtin the world call am: Xenophobia.
The level of thinking in tis country sef. na wa o

I never thought it was unfair, afterall they did not beg una to go S.A. The only reason I was a bit towards the Nigerian side was because Nigeria fought for South Afrian.

It is the same mentality that has not made Nigeria buy properties in huge numbers in Germany, Brazil, Pakistan, India etc

eduson55: WRONG.
I quote,
any land purchased with your own money,signed and well documented with certificate of ownership,bro,America cannot temper that land
without your consent.and if you decide to leave the land for them,a huge recompense must be paid to you.
do you know what it means to have a C of O of a land?

LMAO !!!

1. America has the land mass to accommodate more people. Texas which is a state out of 52 is the size of the whole Nigeria the most populated country in Africa

2. Even at that, YOU CANNOT BUY LAND IN CERTAIN AREAS OF TEXAS because you are black and not a white american indigene. The treatment they would give you alone, you would have no choice but to sell the house and look for a more friendly place to live in. Same with UK. China, Malaysia etc are even worse

So tell me, if developed countries with highly educated population can do this, what is stopping Nigerian that are even less educated and multi-ethnic ?

eduson55: come to think of it,so igbo's have been banned from a part of Nigeria which they claim is one?
its not fair oo.
maybe tomorrow,Yoruba's will start theirs and we still hover around calling ourselves Nigerians where as we have been
literally and politically deprived of the nationality.

Certainly it is only not fair but very inhuman but that is how the world works especially if their land is valued.

Yorubas would NOT AND NEVER DO THAT TO THE IGBOS and you know it. Rather they would work around it.

berem: how do you mean bros? How is it a leased land? A land you bought with your money now becomes a leased land? Abeg make you explain.

You see your idealogy ? Ok for example, if I go to the USA and buy a landed property. Would I say if the people of the USA are killing Nigerians that they cannot trespass my property because I bought it with MY OWN MONEY ? Or do I consider my property/house as my safe haven ? CERTAINLY NOT !

It is the same that is occurring in Nigeria. An Ikwerre (Indigene) would sell land to you in port harcourt at a very high price, then other indigenes do not like the idea of you having their ancestral land. You as a person are not ready to sell it for a low price or give it up. Animosity starts in the heart of the indigenes. It gets to a breaking point the indigenes plan on how to get their land back.

It occurs everywhere in the world.

evidence

Jews and Nazi

Isreal and Gaza

White farmers and Zimbabweans

etc

eduson55: cant grab your point..futher more

My point is that

1. We do not have a government or any form of security in this nation to protect the lifes of her citizens

2. Important* Looking to why Igbos make themselves the annoying people of a region. This reason lies in the fact that when an Igbo man buys a landed property, he sees it as his own castle and every thing money can solve. In reality the indigenes of the region see it as a leased property to be returned to them in future years. This was the problem South-southerners have with Igbos.

My suggestion is for an smart Igbo man to go back to the east, invest there and live there with his family with occasions when he stays in Abuja and or buys properties in Lagos if he so wishes. Lagos and Abuja are the only places in Nigeria outside your region, you can be grantee your landed property would NEVER be a taken from you by miscreates

berem: Hmmm! What a pathetic story.........am speechless!

well it is no longer pathetic because as Mrs. Aniekwe said, "Any Igbo person still in the north,but I will not cry for any Igbo killed in the North."

Yes silly igbo person that still want to live in the core north as a Christian without the consideration of Boko haram is an ideeiot.

FACT.

When Muslims too ain't safe, then I think it is du.mb for Christian Igbos to live there.

What are the IG, commissioners, President, gov etc doing about this security issue ?

The problem is that when an Igbo person gets to a place buys a land, he/she considers it as her own land but in reality it is a lease land. This is what makes people angry at Igbos. When you live in a place for 20 years and don't think it is necessary to become a full indigene without bring the Igbo culture to the new land, then you are seen as an invading alien rather than a settler in Nigeria context.

Morning Mods, Please can this hit the FP

https://www.nairaland.com/1092925/achebe-got-it-all-wrong

Thanks

zameen: Where have you been sir?...

Good morning Sir, I have been around just siddon dey look statue for now.

[quote author=*556#]The reviewer is not even a Nigerian.[/quote]I know, he is from Kenya right ? I read the whole articule and all I did was clap as the writer know what has always been on my mind about this Achebe issue (the worse tribalist after Nnamdi the worst and before Ojukwu)

The best analysis in years. God bless you my brother

I feel exactly the same way even before reading the book. I knew it was going to be too one sided typical of them and I was right. You actually read the book

@ Gerald

Look I love your topic and I am glad you know Yorubas love you. I mean what is the gain to hate igbos if at all we lose if we hate Igbos.

Not withstanding, All ethnic groups love Igbos but ( A BIG BUT) Igbos must look and criticise their leaders when wrong. That is the only way things would go smoothly.

I don talk my own

berem: realise wetin? I have told you at times you talk like someone who is...... make I sharrap. How on earth can you say that ndi igbo leaders are the real enemies of their fellow igbos? Who tell you that kind thing?

Berem this is the problem with most Igbo youths and you are falling for the same trap. If you calm down and have a deep think then read some history on Igbo leaders and how the present day Igbos are in this shape, you would realise that very few Igbo leaders have ndi-Igbo love at heart.

I don't want to go back in history but as of now, the most obvious person that has the Igbo interest to heart and want to give Igbos a sense of pride and unity with a force to reckon with is Orju Uzo Kalu. Now this might sound a bit strange to you given the history of OUK but I can tell you his ambitions are far greater.

You see my sister, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE psych OF YOUR PEOPLE. Igbos are individualistic which is a good strength if channelled right. The problem now lies when the LEADERS too are individualistic, OUK wants to stop that and give Igbos one voice from himself.

This information I am telling is, NO ONE WOULD TELL YOU.

naijababe: Be nice

naijababe I am being nice

All I know is that by MONDAY 5TH OF NOVEMBER, BIAFRA WOULD BE AN INDEPENDENT NATION. INSHA ALLAH

gerald28: @Negro_Ntns You will never get such powers and even if you do, you will not do anything. You are just a talkative as your fellow tribes men, always barking but can't do anything.

true

Ok in reality it is NOT the south south that are ndigbo enemies. South-souths love Igbos but the real enemies are Ndigbo leaders. Trust me when I tell you.

I hope you realise this

Obiagu1: Lagos or Yorubaland is not Nigeria!

You are going round in circles. What is the bases of your argument. Is it that Lagos was amalgamated with Nigeria or amalgamated with southern Nigeria.

[quote author=One_Naira]Anytime i see it i always wondered. Sometimes some claim places in their region where few Igbo migrate to as having high Igbo populace. [size=18pt]I once had an argument where one claimed there are more Igbo outside of SE than in SE.[/size] I busted out laughing, one cause idk how SE got into all the argument and two, who the f2k is living in SE. When i stayed Onitsha, it was densely packed and i wonder who the heck they were if their very few igbo in SE. I just find the whole thing comical, i would have thought SE Igbo would too but maybe una don't. I know for my fam, as Igbo, when they start business anywhere in Nigeria, it's usually cause they think they can easily outdo the indigenous there. It haven't failed yet.[/quote]Yes the person that said that WAS RIGHT.

Given by the claims of ohaneze and the population of the south east, one can argue that the amount of Igbos outside their region searching for greener pastures is twice not just more than the amount of Igbos in the SE. I have facts if you need them.

Obiagu1: It's obvious you have not understood simple things. In colonial era, you don't amalgamated none protectorates! The British kept expanding by acquiring territories till a final boundary is drawn up leaving no land "independent" of British control.

Lagos colony and Yoruland was not amalgamated rather Yorubaland was acquired by the British, then was added to Lagos colony. There was no amalgamation in Yorubaland.

No actually you amalgamate more protectorate or should I say territories as the case of Cameroon. The southern cameroon after seceding from the eastern region and borno protectorates where added to cameroon in later years so what is your point. In fact the north and southern protectorates were added together.

How is those examples different ?

PhysicsQED: We have gone through this before. What I tried to get you to understand, and what you still don't seem to understand, is that the Niger Coast Protectorate was amalgamated with some other territories to form the protectorate of Southern Nigeria in 1900. I don't understand why this is such a difficult thing to understand. I provided you with one source before which rightly described it as an amalgamation, which it was, but you insist on claiming that these territories were "acquired" as if they were ever part of the Niger Coast Protectorate. They were not. That's the point.

I really hope he understands this bolded point

Obiagu1, I think you are a bit biased here. I really thank God for giving the british the wisdom to join Lagos (Ondo, delta, edo were not part of lagos) to the southern nation. It has given the ethnic minorities freedom from tribalism of the Igbos and made them self independent. This explain the reason why Ijaws hate Igbos so much as to seize their property in port harcourt aka Rivers state which is not igbo town but due to propaganda expansionism became one and later gotten back.

I mean you would agree with me that is not for that reason, Edos, Ondos, delta etc would by now be speaking Igbo, surpressed like what Nnamdi and his cohorts did to Eyo ita and ijaws. In fact the minorities were[b] blackmailed[/b] by Nnamdi back then to vote for Nnamdi as the governor of the eastern region. It was because Nnamdi lost to the west that he ran back to the east to remove eyo ita. In fact NCNC ( National Council of NIGERIA AND CAMEROONs) was divided thanks to Nnamdi and (so to go ethnic here) Igbo tribalism. Cameroonians had to leave and form their own country but the edos, ijaws, ibibios and co had no where to go and Nnamdi and the top Igbo men capitalised on that.

In reality Igboland itself is not larger than THOSE 5 SE states but Anioma people (bini origin) have been lied to over the years to the extent that some are now confused whether Anioma is an ethnic group or part of Igbo. In fact Anioma is part of the Edoid group and have nothing in common with Igbos. These are facts and any historian of culture and history should verify.

Given those facts stated above, I think it was wise for the amalgamation of Lagos so there is no singular majority as of the case of baifra.

I hope this makes sense.

nice pic though.