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ShangoThor:
Precisely Beaf, and this is the most dangerous majority view that prevails in the Northern part of the country. That is why I carefully wrote my points. I pray that Southerners will wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late. The ethnic skirmishes in Southern Nigeria are NOTHING compared to the threat from the North, and this is precisely why the moderate Muslims will always capitulate to the radicals in Northern Nigeria, because solidarity behind their religion is more important than any thing else.

you see yourself and you call yourself educated

i said we can co-exist

do i have to put my religion aside because of africa

i believe Allah is more important than any africa,.,. FACT

so why should i put a white man's word (africa) above God

tell me

you and beaf are unbelievable

Beaf:
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If my argument was with alj harem alone, I'd have won resoundingly. The thing of note though is, sadly harems type form the majority in the North; there is an educated and progressive group, but they are stifled and voiceless.

These are your only points harem disagrees with:

In other words, religion is more important than the welfare of his fellow man and is considered above the state. A very dangerous and eye opening view; it is easy to see why there will be no Egypt style revolution in the North.

you basta.rd shut up

ShangoThor:
Brother, I love all Africans, I believe Africa has been exploited by both Arabs and Europeans, and consequently Africa has had, and is having a rough ride.

1. Black Africans first and the Allegiance to Africa is of paramount importance.
2. Alien religions do not take priority to the Welfare of Black Africans.
3. The Nation State we find ourselves in are more important than the foreign religions we have adopted.
4. Zero tolerance for ethnic or religious bigotry.

If we agree on these things above then all we have to concentrate on is fixing our State so it works for all without prejudice

i agree with 1 and 4 but 2, 3 NO

because i am a muslim does not mean i can not co-exist with christians or because you u are christian does not mean you can not co-exist with muslims,.,.,., it all has to do with self control and mutual respect

look at lagos today,.,. christians and muslims are living side by side

go to kwara no conflict

but other places like jos,.,. there is conflict

now the question we have to ask ourselves is how are the lagosians doing it that the same principle can not be applied in nigeria as a whole.

i am a muslim and i am not a radiclist or an extremist i love christians and muslims alike,.,.,. but the same can not be said of christians mostly in SE and SS

you see

ShangoThor:
Well all you have to do is prove him wrong, revolt and protest against oppression without finding the need to constantly slaughter Kaffir or Southerners and for the first time demonstrate that you can put the Nation State of Nigeria first.

brother, i have always wanted nigeria to unite and progress as a nation.,.,., that is why i try to be very objective sometime with the yorubas sometimes with the igbos

but first of all you call for united southern nigeria,.,., what is the meaning of that,.,. do you believe southern nigeria will be better than northern nigeria

secondly, it is people like beaf that are destroying nigeria,.,. beaf and jonathan are connected and he is going to gain something in his term,.,, ,. if you  and others do not see that,, ,, ,. it is a shame

thridly, beaf is heartless because he knows that jonathan will steal money because he has spent a year in office with no improvement not even small ,.,. and yet he supports him

i am not a tribalistic person at all,.,. if you know me real life you will see,.,.,. but my igbo brothers and beaf have made me have a different view on Southern nigeria

the article i brought out yesterday is not to tess my igbo brothers but for us to discuss issues until beaf came to make it a tribalistic one and others followed,.,.,.,. you see

ShangoThor:
Seriously AljHarem, it sounds like Beaf has rattled your cage, what exactly is your problem with his statement?

mr southern unity can you not read

Beaf:
It will only look like another Boko Haram uprising. The North is in no position to rise against its elite, an uprising is more likely from the South and traditionally, the South has always led the way in such events, from NLC actions to student riots to the June 12th uprising.

why can't the north rise against the elite are they handikapped is it not the same thing that is happening in lybia, egypt and co

you keep saying stu.pid things that he knows nothing about

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=609361.msg7782521#msg7782521 date=1298414230]That is some BULL and you know. Igbos haven't been in power for over 4 decades and what does this nation have to show for it?

We are more impoverished than ever.

However, Igboland is doing better than any other region even without the federal presence and we have lower incidences of poverty. That speaks volumes.

We are an INDUSTRIOUS people and Africans far and wide know that. [/quote]ok igboland is doing better than other regions,.,.,. but if other regions were doing better ,.,. you will say it because of the civil war

i agree that igbo people are industrious and resourceful but is as an hausa man and a yoruba man

it all depends on how desperate your people are to get money

for intance

an igbo man can kill his entire family for money,.,,.,.,., it has been documented and you know it

a yoruba man can kill his mother too for money but not his entire family he will perfer 419 then killing

a hausa man will rather beg on the street for money with his family than stealing or killing anyone

now tell me who is more honorable and who is more industrious

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=609361.msg7782477#msg7782477 date=1298413555]Don't understand why some people hate Igbos?

Are Igbos the reason for your misery? No

Are we the reason why this country is not progressing? No

[s]Actually this nation would be progressing if Igbo were integrated back into political society. [/s][/quote]wrong wrong wrong


until they prove themselves in anambra, imo, enugu, ebonyi, aba,.,. there no way any politician from any ethnic group can be trusted

moreover,.,. nigeria is like this because of igbo past leaders,., ie nzuogu, ojukwu, ZIK etc

lets just pray for God to save us in a country called nigeria

fstranger3:
No we cant!

why can't you

Beaf:
The North can only be moved to largescale uprising through religion, not because they are poor. If there is ever such largescale demonstrations in the North, the South would already be up in flames, cos thats where it will be led from. Our mini revo's have always started up between Benin and Lagos and our educated radicals tend to come mainly from the SW and old Midwest areas, not from the North (except the likes of Aminu Kano).

can you shut your mouth for once,.,. ideeiot only a mumu like u can talk like that

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=609361.msg7781412#msg7781412 date=1298399891][color=deeppink]yeah right[/color][/quote]

mama are u tell me ojukwu ran away

dayokanu:
WHich worthy leader would care so much about his own safety while leaving his people into the hands of the enemy.

So if robbers come to a house, the father, head and should of the family should jump the fence while the attackers maul his family?

please brother do not ague with them,.,. because as you can see it is not productive

it is just insults

asha 80:
i do not think so as substantial no of those guys in lagos are not southwesterners.

so what are they,, ,, ,. northerners

you people are funny,.,. a very good percentage of the votes are south-westerners whether igbo or ss or north

Onlytruth:
You mean when groups carry out self colonization.

no, i mean when groups are been colonized and ruled by the people that colonized them

just days ago, IMF told nigeria to devalue her money

why can't they say that to UK or EU,., why nigeria

i remember when OBJ wanted to do electricity,., he went to the world bank to borrow money

getting there he was told to will be given the money but he has to buy the turbines from USA or UK ,., if not,.,. NO borrowing

meanwhile it is this world bank that the UK and USA control,.,,. do you see

remember interest (about 1000% depending on infaltion of you currency) and other stuffs are still there

africa is a sad place

Onlytruth:
Are the foreign elements also influencing youths like Eku_bear?

Would Eku_bear take the same position if those automobile factories are in Lagos or Ogun State?

What baffles me more is that, these types of youths even fail to see that if ANNAMCO or INNOSON fails, no one will attempt to start similar company in ANY part of Nigeria.
Their failure is Nigeria's failure.

@ Eku_bear,

Nigeria has been producing car parts for YEARS.

When are we going to start producing complete cars?

ok, i though you use to boast the eastern region is biafra,.,., if true, then why should people make the business grow

if false which i know it is, then you are right,.,. the sooner we invest in our companies the better it is to leave this hell hole called africa mentality

but can i ask you a question, would you invest or buy from that company

ROSSIKE:
alj harem said:

I especially suspect the electricity one. It's like whatever we do and however many power plants we open and refurbish, we never seem to go above 4000 mw max. It's almost as though some external power placed a 'limit' on permissible power generation level.

i know,.,. it is what happens when groups are colonialised

ROSSIKE:
Onlytruth, you know, sometimes I wonder if there are some foreign elements influencing some of these clearly senseless decisions made by the Nigerian govt. It's hard to see how even a primary school student would not know it was more beneficial to boost local manufacturers with such contracts than to hand them to the Chinese. I mean, really?

Or maybe someone somewhere was bribed by the deep pocketed Chinese?

yes there are foreign elements influencing the decisions in nigeria today

from electricity to currency etc

not only nigeria but africa

Onlytruth:
@eku_bear

I can't believe that an educated person like you is making this argument that we should always buy from outside because it is nominally cheaper.

This is part of why I don't believe that education is the only needed qualification by a public servant.

That is why we have people with top degrees brought in from outside Nigeria (like Aganga) who come in with fake pedigree and fail on their jobs.

My friend, Nigeria wastes more money on whole lot of things; spending a little more (assuming that is the case in this story) to support local industry and create jobs is FAR MORE ECONOMICALLY SENSIBLE then buying from the Chinese.

Do you know the IMMEDIATE impact of such action on manufacturing companies in Nigeria?
Would you believe that it could actually lead to laying off of staff and closing shop in Nigeria?
Would you believe that it can push these companies to more serious African countries like Ghana?
Do you think that there will EVER be a time when a Nigerian company can produce cheaper than Chinese ones, without first developing?
How can they develop without some form of patronage by the Nigerian government who is on the other hand supporting their foreign competitors?

Nigeria is a hopeless country mainly because even the educated citizens are either too dumb or too bigoted, or BOTH!

brother why are u talking like this,.,. we should be encouraging each other not discouraging

nigeria is not hopless

it will onlu be if we keep voting based on ethnicity and religiou like we are doing in nigeria

nigeria will some day be great

and you and i will enjoy the great nigeria,.,. one day before we die

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=609566.msg7776624#msg7776624 date=1298335720]Alhaji, Kedu? [/quote]odu mma

chinenyN i will post it in the cultural section in 3 days time,.,. you will be shocked at this finding about Ngwa igbo relationship

please brother be open minded to this article and reason

thanks for your tim

to my igbo brother,.,., i mean will oooo

KEDU

I came across an article about ngwa that was shocking,.,.,.,. i will post this article on a later date before my igbo brothers take me to a shrine to kill me

Onlytruth:
Have you ever seen a mountain of cow $h!t?
If not, head to Okiti.   I ain't going though. Can't stand the stench.

at least they can go to lagos and become the governor and live like indigene

can you or your family

they can go to abuja and most part of the north,.,. can you do the same

can your family do the same

certainly not,.,.,

Beaf:
I join the first lady in praying for the souls of the departed; may their souls rest in peace. We also pray for the speedy recovery of the wounded.

i pray it was you brother or even you whole family that die instead of the others

do not not have symapathy at all,.,.,. imagine if your only son dies because of NIGERIAN called democracy

you bas.tard look at the woman's face (a mother) look at her face and look at mrs goodluck face as she is well dressed

look again at the woman that lost her child, look at her cloth and her house now tell me what will she be think if she sees people look you,.,. ideeiot
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ladi02:
GEJ & MRS.GEJ can not offer NIGERIA anything GOOD!

Wake up and Vote them out, another 4yrs of this selfcenteredness cannot take us anywhere

gbammm