₦airaland Forum

chyz:
You just said you're father was Yoruba. stick to your story. sbeezy was not on.dont even remember seeing him on 2day.and since your suppose to be new how the hell are you fixated on sbeezy so quick? . Look man try harder.your cover has been blow.give it up! All that middle belt shyt's for the birds.

i said my father is igala+nupe from kogi gosh are you and onlytruth the sme person or brothers, both of you cant read.

sayn im a yoruba was close because we share alot of things but syin im sbeezy is incorrect

go to the the area around kwara kogi niger- we all mix

chyz:
Yea they were wrong.especially with becomrich because your dont speak his english. You are sbeezy tho, i've watch closely the whole time.

you have good reason to think i am a yorba but im not. if im not aligned with the north im with the sw but thats because there are yruba people in my region. theyare who i share common interest with so some of our opinions will be d same

bt im not sbeezy tha guy was on earlier the same time as me you can ask anyone. same with becomerich guy

you are confused first nairalander said I am becomrich who ever he is, then I am an Ijawman posing as an Hausa when I said Im not Hausa, Now im Sbeezy?

smh

sbeezy?

convince your family and all friends to convert to islam. It can be like a revolution across Nigeria

I can Imagine igbo men carrying the Quran and the women wearing Hijab.

chyz:
I'm already a muslim and i don't need your vote so shove it.

igbo muslims? Maybe Allah sent you to convince us to vote for igbo.

Igbo are good people aside from religion.

chyz:
I never said you were from kogi or kwara but i did say kwara was in the north and i did say you saying your from kogi proves you're a Yoruba man. However, i am saying you are a Yoruba from the south. you are only fooling yourself.

what ever you say

if you want my vote you better convert to islam.

first you said I was a yeribaman from Kwara
Then you said im a Yoruba from kogi
Now you say Im a Yoruba from the south,

smh some igbo live in fatasyland I said I wont vote for igbo in politics, - you think that makes me Yoruba. I wont vote for igbo as president but when I need a company to loot money from Ill put it in igbos name.

like a partnership

chyz:
you're not from the middle beltaand you are a Yoruba man.

just know southerners wont be getting my vote.

Maple:
I have learned not to underestimate the unity of the north when it comes to politics. I wish to remind you that 3 out of the 4 past leaders we had from the North did not originate from the so-called Hausa-Fulani states. Btw, Abatcha was a Kanuri man, IBB and Gen. Abdulsalam are Nupe and Gwari respectively. So tell me, was there any significant political division in the North during there tenures? I think you should be more concerned about how to resolve the incessant divisions that still bedeviled the South.

Depends on the person- Not everyone agree with all those heads of state its obvious they were not good for the north. When I say a kanuri or nupe gwari I mean one who breaks the mold of IBB Abdulsalam and Abacha.

Imagine if IBB and the rest actually did the right thing with education and development, there would be No One North.

I need a northerner who can, empower we minority tribes in the north mainly we muslims need liberation.

chyz:
I guess thats fair enough seeing that no Yoruba will ever smell presidency in nigeria again. I'll talk business with a Yoruba but i will never support him in becoming president.thats definitely a no no. Why regress when we can progress.

Yorubas have already had presidency Obasanjo was Ok but not what we in the middle belt need, we need a minority tribe who is muslim indifferent about regions and tribes, educated and has a vision. Sambo is from Kaduna which is ok because hes indifferent about religion.

I wont be voting for a yoruba or igbo or hausas-fulani  im looking for a progressive northerner mostly from the NC.

Ibime:
Ojukwu is simply a political jobber.

non sense I respect Ojukwu well for the most part

@ post I dont know anyone who is courageous enough to form an alliance with the same people who have killed his kinsmen time and time again.

If it were the Niger deltans they will be screaming Oil if it were the Sw they would say one thing and do another.

If the north has any support in the south it is among the igbos. After the civil war IBB even returnded Ojukwus fathers poperty many igbo were employed by notherners and many igbo businessmen were given contracts by northerners

Ibime:
Dede, these people no understand simple English.

I've been following the conversation and you make it very clear that Igbo did not dominate otherwise there would be no need for the first coup.

This raises another question namely, do you believe that the first coup was a deliberate attempt by Ndigbo officers to dominate affairs?

igbos dominated the ranks until there were minorities that climbed the ranks. Had the minorities and westerners not climbed the ranks there would have been no coup. The coup was in response to the igbo losing their important status under Zik.

Under Zik 7 out of ten people who were appointed to the government were igbo theres no denying that.
Stop reading upside down.

udezue:
EzeUche, u haven't given any practical reason why you support the idea of North taking power and even having more power other than you hate Yoruba and Ijaw. Nwanna I am sick and tired of your Ijaw-Yoruba diatribe jare. Yes they are who they are but don't forget the Frank Opugo, Wole Soyinka, Fajuyi, Tos Benson,etc. Tell me when in history have u seen a Northerner-Hausa-Nupe-Fulani ever break ranks to support the East against oppression? Not 1 person from the North. Its crazy how u adamantly support a region that is known for their rabid hatred of the Igbo and East. U keep yapping about having no permanent enemies or friends but even when u have an opportunity to stand up against a historical formidable enemy you quickly throw it away all in the name of satisfying your dislike of the Ijaw and Yoruba. I can understand if an Igbo man was running and the North was supporting him but that is not the case. The North aint thinking about you or give a damn about you. Only thing they want to do is use you and dump u so its either u stay neutral or you push them off da cliff coz guy they are close the edge. This is the only few chances we have to render these cattle herders irrelevant and move forward so sheet your swords for once. I understand how you feel about Ijaw and Yoruba but that is not enough to subject yourself to slavery. We have gon against the Yoruba b4 and yes have proven to them that we can do it and achieve what we want but now is time for us to face a deadlier foe. What do we stand to gain by supporting Northern rule? You want to tighten their grip on us even more, continue to control our resources and land and further Islamize us. IBB damn well almost turned Nigeria into ajn Islamic state by adding Nigeria as member of OIC. Have u forgoTten what that jihardist did? Guy quit being overly stubborn and think. Under IBB there will no hope for resource control, autonomy, and issues we hold dear in the South and East.

YOU HAVE A POINT DID IGBO HELP THE NUPE GWARI KANURI OUT? NO so I dont see the point in voting for an igbo sorry
we can always do business and I can always give contracts to Igbo but vote for one No im sorry
igbos have no business in politics only in money.

lik the igbos under Balewa did- we can do it again,

sambo for 2015 !!!!!!!

Nigeria cannot change as a country its the mentality that has to change. and I honestly dont believe IBB can do that Buhari stands a better chance. and SAMBO EVEN BETTER

Namadi sambo is more of a threat than Jonathan. Jonathan and any christian southerner is harmless because they cannot impact the North but Namadi Sambo and elrufai can change the north for good.

I would only be for Jonathan because its likely SAMBO will be after him.

Onlytruth:
My friend the more you talk the more you expose yourself as a Yoruba man.

No northerner would be this afraid of a northern president. You see what I mean?

If you follow me carefully, you will notice that I am not really against Jonathan presidency. I only think that he may blow the eastern opportunity to shape things up. That's all. I need an action person to either give me what I want in Nigeria or break it up. I don't want to say how Jonathan or IBB or any northerner would unknowingly break up Nigeria if Jonathan wins and fails to restructure Nigeria, or if a northerner wins and fails to hand over to an Igbo man in 2015. One thing is certain, either Igbo man gets his fair share of power in Nigeria by 2015 or we will use every means necessary to break it up.

What you don't know is that the days of the Igbo man in a bottle is long gone. So go and mind Yoruba affairs. Leave us alone.

I just said vote for IBB with an igbo vp are 2nd. see

amingafar:
But if igbos vote for IBB they can have Number 2 position for IBBs term, just forget about 2015 and settle for vp.

my concern is IBB is too old and of the old stock he doesnt believe in anything new. Buhari is btter than him

Igbo should vote for Buhari if he has an igbo vp, he doesnt lie and he knows he cant promise an igbo prsident but he is more genuine than IBB.

But if igbos vote for IBB they can have Number 2 position for IBBs term, just forget about 2015 and settle for vp.

Onlytruth:
Udezue,

All the points you raised are valid, but the issue goes deeper than that. I don't think Igbo people supporting power shift to the north or IBB are doing so to spite anybody. In fact the single biggest reason they are doing it is because of zoning enshrined in the PDP constitution. Of course if Jonathan runs under a different party, do you think that Igbos won't vote for him? Heck they will still vote for him even if he runs as the PDP candidate.

Having said that, there is no proof that a Jonathan presidency will favor Ndigbo more that a northern president. There is just no proof. I don't see Jonathan touching big issues like resource control, state police or true federalism. In fact, part of why he is still getting support from some northerners is precisely because they know he can't do any of these things. They see him as a least dangerous easterner to have in office. I wish he can surprise them, but that may remain a wish. IBB, much as I recall some of his ills in government, still did some big things, some of which favored Ndigbo. We have Asaba today because of IBB. He created more states for us too. So, warts and all, he still did something for us. My fear of Jonathan is that I don't see him doing anything big, and then power rotates back to the north who would then ensure that it never moves south again.

For me, Jonathan needs to do a few things. He needs to do resource control, state police and if possible keep power in southern Nigeria for 50 years, long enough for those things to permeate.
The north is what it is. The question is: Can Jonathan handle them? I don't want someone who would waste an opportunity, basically waste our turn, and hand back to the north.

Instead of that, I would rather support a northerner from the start. At least we can negotiate our real interests from start. IBB is not your typical northerner, which is why some northerners hate him. He actually sees Nigeria as a whole. I don't see him continuing Igbo marginalization in Nigeria. Jonathan may want to end it, but he lacks the balls to do it.

so this is your rreason for voting for IBB over Jonathan? IBB cannot gurantee federalism because most core northern states will vote aganst it. If theres no federalism wouldnt it make sense to just vote for Jonathan?

IBB will surely compensate igbos with positions in his governmentt !!!!- but federalism will not be voted for by core northerners. igbo president in 2015 is a lie because we wont vote for it. What have the igbo done for the NE and muslim middle belt?
Nothing

tpiah:
^^oh well.

nothing new there.

carry on.

i strongly suspected you were south east/southsouth/midwest before, but keep posting and we'll see.

out of the north including the middle belt,hausa-fulani are about 60-70% But religion in the north is about 85-90% muslim. There would have never been one North country, because we do not all get along outside religion.

tpiah:
^^you're confusing only yourself, not other people.

did i say you arent a muslim from north central or wherever.

my question was why are you pretending not to know where you're from. Which is middle belt.

if you want to argue and redraw the map of the north, just say so, instead of going on in a sneaky roundabout manner as if nobody can see your real intention.

i am from the middle / north central I didnt deny that what I said was We are one North when we are against a christiian,

Dede1 is confused- The igbo held their position in Nigeria but when it the game changed that included the minorities and the West they staged the coup.

The north ws number 1 and igbo were number 2, as Minorites such as enahoro and Westerners like Akintola climbed the ranks the igbos saw their position as Number 2 falling to Number 3 or 4.

As a middle belter- We also benefitted from the countercoup I dont regret it and neither does Gowon.

MaziUche0:
People need to understand that the Igbo had more to lose in a coup than anyone else.

Our position was secured. We held high positions in civil service, military etc. Now we did give political power to the North, but we still controlled the bureaucracy.

We were arguably the wealthiest and most educated tribe in Nigeria.

So I shall say it again, what would we Igbos have gained from staging a coup?

dedes response

Dede1:
When I wrote that sound logic is alien to many Nigerians, I meant every word in the sentence. If Ndigbo were perceived to have dominated every aspect of Nigeria society of the era in discuss, why on earth would Ndigbo precipitate coup?

changed to

Dede1:
Your plank of the argument has become so pathetic. Ndigbo did not dominate the armed forces of Nigeria as detractors would want us to believe. However, Ndigbo dominated the officers’ cadre of the armed forces of Nigeria.

There were very few Igbo officers in the high echelon of Nigerian army as of January 1, 1966.

then

Dede1:
Did you understand the lexical structure of the grammar? My statement was “If Ndigbo were perceived to have dominated every aspect of Nigeria society of the era in discusses, why on earth would Ndigbo precipitate coup?” It means that Ndigbo did not dominate everything as their detractors would want us to believe. What is there not to understand?

then

Dede1:
easterners had more than fair share of the political patronages.

mens dept:
And did you write that book. Prob not. What of your father, Nope. Great grandfather? 3rd strike. I bet it was written by people that today THEIR children are banning the number of your cousins that are entering THEIR Mecca region for Hajj, because even they are saying- HABA.

the Quran states that every muslim should be visit mecca once in their life. I dont know what these Nigerian who constantly go there and beg are doing.

tpiah you should learn to read before you type.

tpiah:
@aminagar


^^you're a middle belter.
the only excuse for your not knowing this is if you grew up outside nigeria.
and if you dig deep enough, you could also find southeast/southsouth/midwest mixed up in there somewhere. most likely from the nupe or igalla side.
how could you not know where you're from ie middle belt. Are you pretending or something.

amingafar:
As [size=17pt]a muslim from the NC[/size] I can atleast win votes in the NE and middle belt where muslim non hausa-fulanis tribes are.

There is no One north, the time there is Only one north there is against a christian. Most northerners will never vote for a christian.

what are you saying?

at post IBB doesnt have the power to handover to a southern christian president.

chyz:
Are you not understanding? whether they are or are not muslim Hausa-fulani you will not be supported by the north period! Stop dreaming,you are Yoruba and thats that. And im supporting the NW? where did you get that from and who is running for president from the NW?

done talking to you.

in 2007 there was no one north because all the candidates were muslim.