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He said intellectual to disguise the insult, Teejay I'm not an intellectual nor a conservative. A001 take note please.

“We proved four times this season that we can produce peak performances to compete with them at this kind of level. It showed in all results that we deserved and they could’ve gone in our way and could’ve gone in their way. We produced these peak performances against them.

“[We] have everything it takes to win trophies. We proved it [and] we have the Club World Cup and European Super Cup. I don’t feel sorry that this was the beginning of the season and winter.

“[We] can produce peak performances and we have the mentality in the club to shape the mentality of the players to have these peak performances but over the last years, Man City and Liverpool have proved you need to show that at a level of consistency we don’t have and that we have struggled with. So we need to find it, build it, create it.”
“While I will not promise victories, I will promise that we will deliver, heart, passion, commitment, and living up to the fullest and having no regrets.”

-Thomas Tuchel; source: Football.London

Capaldi:
Arab christians call "God" Allah.

Don't help him out. There were/are Jews and Christians in Yemen and "Yathrib"/"Madeenah" before the Prophet and they speak Arabic.

A001:
Christians and Muslims don't worship the same god.

Christians worship Jehovah/Yahweh, an entity native to Israel who claims the title God in the Bible.

Muslims worship Allah, an entity native to Arabia who claims the title God in Qur'an.

Each of these deities is different, with distinct histories. Only those that don't know the history of Yahweh and Allah say they're the same.

According to the Bible, Yahweh gave birth to Jesus Christ. But according to Qur'an, Allah gave birth to no one, which is one of his most important attributes.

Saying Muslims and Christians worship the same God is tantamount to stating Israel's Herzog is the same as the Saudi Arabia's King Salman, but both are different individuals being the leaders of the two Asian countries respectively.

In history, thousands of gods have been worshipped by humans, including Atum, El (or Elohim), Baal, Ra, Allah, Olorun, Jehovah, Zeus, Ahura Mazda, Mithras, Chukwu, Sin, and many others.

Each of these gods has all claimed the title of God at one point or the other in history. Thus, it's incorrect historically and etymologically to say Allah is the same as Jehovah.

Most Christians pray to the pagan god El or Elohim thinking they're praying to Jehovah. But both are distinct entities with different histories.

I just laugh whenever I see all these pastors shouting El-Shaddai. They don't know El or Elohim was an adversary of Jehovah.

But the clever writers of the Bible plagiarized the writings of god El, importing concepts like hell into Christianity, and also copied the religious texts of Mithras and those of the ancient Egyptians.

Hundreds of years later, Muhammad also plagiarized the Bible, especially the Jewish writings, to get Qur'an.

Also, before Jesus Christ, the fictitious character designed by Rome to dominate other nations, there had been many Kristas that claimed to be the savior of their people.

Most religious people don't carry out objective research of the history of the god they worship. But it's very important.

For a start what do Arab Christians call "God"?

Ibime, Popizaino, Donjazet, Roland17, Raumdeuter, Afrodoc, Blueraydick, Airmark, Unlimited22 read this.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1164036820998720&id=100021772396215&m_entstream_source=timeline

It takes an event to reveal the deep hatred and bigotry in all of us, we then conflate the specific with the general.

Being sober in the company of drunks may get you ostracize but it doesn't mean that you are wrong, it means that you did the right thing in a wrong place.

Havertz10:

Majority of religious people in Nigeria are ignorant of the faith they profess they inherit their beliefs without sound conviction that's rooted on research, that's why they express shock whenever they see certain things they don't understand.

Leviticus 24:16

Jodera:
Lol,
It seems you didn't read the screenshot I posted a page ago.

Who disregarded the rules and regulations? The girl or her Muslims couesemates?

I want to hear your honest opinion on this please

Of course the Muslims and maybe before then people of other faith(s) might have been doing likewise, it's very common for Nigerians to violate rules and regulations.

Jodera:
The big question is, what was even the cause of the rebuke? That's the issue most Nigerians are even oblivious to.
Imagine you threatening to revoke my statement and God in a general WhatsApp group yet you publish yours.
Then when you're rebuked, you turn around and say I'm blaspheming. Isn't that madness??

Now this is the question begging for answers, and the answer is our disregard for rules and regulations in this part of the world. This is why I always call for moderation in religious evangelism, without government intervention people will do as they wish at the detriment of the said faith they profess. In some countries you don't disturb the public with your practice but in Nigeria we will block roads, turn on the volume of loudspeakers even in the dead of the night disturbing public peace.

afrodoc2:


Thank you. But it was a question not a joke. A question you didn’t answer by the way. If people don’t bridle their tongues is it right for them to be killed?

And should the same punishment be imposed on muslims when they don’t bridle their tongues about other religions?

The focus here indeed is religious intolerance like you have alluded to, not on the part of the poor girl that was burnt but her school mates that murdered her.

That should be your focus not unbridled tongues. And you should be intelligent enough to know this. Anything short of this and you are nothing but a terrorist apologist in sheep’s clothing.

There's a judicial procedure to determine what measure of punishment is appropriate should the person be tried and found guilty, let the court handle it.
Muslims arent allowed to insult the deities of other faiths but we are rather encouraged to debate with knowledge and wisdom or shun debate entirely when it's not possible to have a civic debate. A Muslim is not even allowed to live in a place hostile to his beliefs except if he's weak and unable to migrate then he should bare whatever comes his way with patience till his condition becomes better.
We should learn to separate the general from the specific my position and that of Muslims is, blasphemy is wrong and punishable but as for what happened in the case of Deborah we condemned it totally and the perpetrators dont represent Islam and appropriate punishment will be dished out to them by the authorities. Also, I am not qualified to say whether the murdered girl committed blasphemy or not and those who lynched her aren't qualified as well they did so out of overzealousness.
Tolerance goes both ways and in Nigeria we are very intolerant some do it in an obvious manner and some do it subtly. Even on this thread people have uploaded family pictures of another user, insulted wives and children of members and labeled someone as abortion doctor; it got so bad that a user had to bring his wads of cash and threats before the other user fled away. We should learn how not to insult people's sensibilities and engage more in more productive discussion.

donjazet:
I guess amoto had to eventually own up to his fundamental beliefs. It's unfortunate that you guys are just finding out his propensity for being a terrorist apologetic.

Go through his profile and see the posts he has created. You get to see someone not much different from those who carry bombs into churches.

I've been trying to make him come clean about this because he was always evading the issue but it's nice he finally owned up to it.

He's unapologetic towards Islam's violent stance towards dissent. He unabashedly supports death for apostasy. That's death to those who wants to leave the religion. He supports honor killings. That's death to female family members who dishonor the religion. All these he has owned up to in his past posts. So don't be surprised you're just finding out.

My pain is that this guy appears to be more well read and researched than the average person, you will think he would be more enlightened, but for Muslims, it's as if the more educated you are, the higher the propensity for terrorism is. Such a weird cycle.

I don't support honor killing and Islam prohibits it.

Kloppo:
Insult is not a crime in a democratic setting....I guess you 've insulted people on this thread,change the name to Allah or Mohammad(an Arab deity) and people deserve to be burnt/killed/beheaded?

Bishop Kukah whose Catholic church was burnt yesterday was right when he said long ago that the fundamental cause of crisis in Northern Nigeria is that the Muslim leaders failed to tell their followers that core Islamic principles are incompatible with Democratic principles.,...

You people should allow us to divide so you can practice your full Sharia and Islamic principles while we practice our democracy in peace

Insults allowed in democracy? This is a lie. People are punished for making racist jokes, homophobic slurs and defamation of character in "advanced democratic countries". permit me to say that people have values and they make their laws based on said values it is wrong of me or anyone to insult their laws and acts as if nothing is wrong about it. Tolerance and acceptance is a two-way thing.
Deji of Akure flogged someone allegedly for claiming to be a king sometimes ago his reason is that there cannot be two kings in his domain, that's the law of his kingdom and the violator was flogged.

afrodoc2:


If people don’t bridle their tongues they will be beheaded and burnt by the mob ba?

You are way more intelligent than this silly joke you're attempting.

In Tuchel we trust, lose or win.

User09:
Anyone who watched that half and though Chalobah was good must have been watching something different

Chalobah tried abeg

Emaprince:
SMH. Anyway, I didn't expect anything different.

I'm sure deep within, you support BH too.

May God forgive you for lying upon me I'm sure if you look well enough you'll see my posts denouncing terrorism and BH.

Roland17:
Stop confusing yourself because your attempt to wriggle out of this one is contradictory and digging you even deeper. You support the punishment of blasphemy which was the burning of the girl by blood thirsty fanatics who reveled in it but don’t support the actions of an irate mob.

I guess if she was killed by one person, it would be a fair/ justified punishment for blasphemy. You comments make me sick.

That I support the killing of a highway robber duly tried and found guilty doesn't mean that I support the burning of a person declared as one by mobs. What you are saying is false equivalence

BlueRayDick:
Why do u support death as punishment for blasphemy in this age and time ?

The question should be why do people choose to blaspheme in this age and time? What happened to civic debates ?

Parizz:
what happened to self control? Did the koran not talk about that.

Of course there is need for self control and there is also need for people to bridle their tongues.

Ibime:
Na observation oga. So far you support death for blasphemy, you no different from who light matches

Your conclusion based on your observation is wrong. I support the punishment of blasphemy but I don't support the actions of the irate mobs.

Ibime:
Amoto sef no come different from the guy wey light matches for Sokoto. Na wa oh

I'm responsible for what I say what I make of it is entirely up to you.

A001:
Are the following haadith about apostasy false?

Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:260

Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu`adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu`adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu`adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:271

Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Sahih Bukhari 9:84:57

There are other haadith about dealing with so-called blasphemous people, but I don't have time to search for them now.

The truth is, if someone says a hard truth about your god, holy book or prophet which you see as blasphemous and you ignore the person, your action isn't unlawful based on the proof you gave above.

And if you decide to attack the person, your action isn't unlawful as well based on the haadith (proof) similar to those I quoted above.

It all boils down to your discretion as a human and cherrypicking those teachings of your prophet you like.

From my experience, there are good and kind Muslims, and there are wicked ones as well. The same thing also applies to other religious/irreligious people.

The narrations on apostasy/blasphemy are well known and accepted by me just like committing treason the punishment is death once every condition has been met, I'm unapologetic about the stance of Islam on these issues. There are no truths in what the opponents of Islam have said they take isolated cases and specific issues to generalize without taking into context what warrant certain rulings.

In all of this we should gauge our environment and know what triggers people anger whether justified or not to avoid unintended consequences. Just yesterday a user here intentionally misspelled my name to provoke a reaction out of me I waited for others to condemn such brazen act of provocation none did bar Sadeeq, had I reacted excessively my actions would've been the topic of discussion for days without others taking into consideration what triggered my anger. We can always do better regardless of our differences and affiliations.

A001:
UI's chief Imam and the ex-VC both demonstrated admirable leadership skills, especially tolerance, to manage the crisis.

The imam didn't behave fanatically like the prophet and his companions, who those aggressive northern youths in Sokoto emulated.

It's always humane to apply one's discretion in following quranic teachings and hadith, ensuring one doesn't lose one's humanity while striving to please a god.

Humanity comes first before parochial things like religion, tribe, and race.

So the Imam didn't follow the Prophet teaching of restraint when a Bedouin intentionally urinated inside Masjid (Mosque) and ordered that nobody should touch him or this verse that said
"And the slaves of the Most Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness." Quran 25:63
How will you know when you wasted most of your time in frivolities instead of learning

Read this link
https://ui.edu.ng/religiousriot

On the issue of power and money both have their strategic usefulness when deployed, a wealthy person can disrupt the activities of those in power if he can collaborate with insiders, those in power can equally dealt wealthy people a serious blow by using policies and security agents if they have a firm grasp of their subordinates.

Ibn Qayyim رحمه الله said:

“Allah has not allowed joking as an excuse to mock others!

I'laam al-Muwaqqi'een (3/63)

donjazet:
Amoto94, I saw your earlier response to my posts and I acknowledge your response but you didn't actually answer the question I asked. You can understand my curiosity on your stance seeing as many of your fellow moslems are actually in full support of these killings.
Please can you answer these?

The narration is authentic and for your second question I have already answered it with my initial reply. You don't take laws into your hands
Edit: As for your second question, I don't know