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noblezone:
you have still not answered my question.
What is the punishment for apostasy in Islam;?
State that of Christianity as well.

I have answered your question

Reyginus:
How come you can analyse the evidence with your intellect to know the truth as put by these scholars but you can't use your intellect and also 'prayers for guidance' to study and interpret the book yourself?

The evidence is in the Qur'an “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the
Messenger, and those in authority amongst
you. And if you differ in anything, then return
it to Allaah and the Messenger, if you truly
believe in Allaah and the Last Day. That is
better and more suitable for final
determination.” [Surah An-Nisaa: 59]
And the statement of Prophet (Peace be upon him): Abud-Dardaa (radyAllaahu ‘anhu) reported: “I
heard the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu
‘alayhi wa sallam) say: ‘Whoever treads a path
due to which he seeks knowledge, Allaah
will make him tread one of the paths
towards Paradise. And the angels lower
their wings out of contentment for the
seeker of knowledge. And verily all those in
the heavens and in the earth, even the fish
in the depths of the sea ask forgiveness for
the scholar. And verily, the virtue of the
scholar over the worshipper is like the
virtue of the moon on the night of Al-Badr
over all of the stars. Indeed, the scholars
are the inheritors of the prophets, for the
prophets do not leave behind a dinar or a
dirham for inheritance, but rather, they
leave behind knowledge. So whoever takes
hold of it, has acquired a large share (i.e. of
inheritance).’” re the inheritors of the
prophets.” [Related byTirmidhi, Abu Dawud,
Nasa’i, Ibn Maja, Ahmad, Ibn Hibban, and
others]

Reyginus:
So how then do we know whose interpretation is correct?

Look at the evidences provided by both parties, then apply your intellect and meditate over it. Afterwards pray for guidance if you're sincere

noblezone:
I asked a simple question you ignored it.

What is the punishment for apostasy in Islam?
or your own Islam is different?

See I am very open minded. I am willing to discuss.

By the way, I have read the Koran, cover to cover and I felt the pulse of Mohammed's heart bit.

The man was brutal in judgement and arrogantly appointed himself as the judge of "sinners" who refused to convert to Islam.

They either convert or

agree to live as second class citizens and pay tax or be executed.


Am I suffering. from Islamaphobia? Yes!
Every normal man on the earth should be.

Where has there been religious violence on this earth as at today, and Islam is not involved?

That someone, cartooned Islam in far away Denmark. innocent people were killed in Nigeria by Islamists.

The spirit in Islam is a very wild and violent one.

It's time you stop lying to self.

The punishment for apostacy is death both in Islam and Christianity as well as other religions. Killing Nigerians for the atrocities committed by the Danes is wrong and such acts were condemned by scholars of Islam and Muslims with sound creed. Muslims are not responsible for the world insecurity they might play a part but the large share of the blame goes to others. The drug wars in Mexico killed more people than ISIS(this is not a defence of daesh) but to tell you how biased the media is. There are Muslims that commits various crimes in the name of Islam but Islam is free from their deeds. Our scholars have demolished the arguments of the extremists but some people are only being mischievous or plain ignorant to accept the fact that the actions of groups like daesh boko haram et al doesn't represent Islam. As for your claim that you've read the Quran cover to cover and reached a conclusion, your case is similar to the extremists that take the texts and apply their own reason and understanding and decided to build a religion around that, I'll advise to reach out to those with knowledge and wisdom from amongst the scholars and students of knowledge that are Muslims and seek clarification from them. I don't know if you're on twitter, tweet these users @AbuIyadSP @AbuKhadeejahSP and they'd clarify things for you if you seek the truth truly

Reyginus:
Lol. I've been viewing from the sidelines but I don't just understand this. Help me with this. If you want to understand any Religion which is better to read, their manual eg., bible and Koran, or their interpretations by men and women?

in Islam we derive our message from the Quran, Hadiths and the consensus of scholars that have firm understanding and trustworthy. The Quran is a message that needs interpretation and there is this field in Islamic Studies called tafsir (exegesis/explanations) and there are specialists in this field that helps one to understand the message. There are other fields as well that deals with various aspects of the religion. There are some scholars that are deviants or half-baked those are not to be taken from and warned against.

noblezone:
See as you are playing with words.

"He was able to repel the harm without much harm".

There is nothing hiding about Mohammad and his Sword. He left blood trails Where ever he went. And all his faithful followers walk in dame part.

Tell, me, want is the punishment for apostasy? Like a Moslem converting to Christianity.

What Shekau did and what ISIS is doing are not different from what Dan Fodio did and what Mohammad. did.

I will assume that you're ignorant or probably high on dosage of Islamophobic articles written by evil-minded individuals who profits from Islamophobic multi-million dollar industry. The religion of Islam is a religion ordained for mankind by The Lord of seven heavens and earth and above his throne and free from the accusations of the liars and those hellbent from spreading mischief on earth. Let ask you this, do you what's called khawarij? I bet you don't know (though I don't gamble) The creed of terrorist groups liki boko haram, daesh, el-shabbab is that of khawarij (renegades). For more insights about the true message of Islam visit the following authentic Islamic websites- https:islaam.ca https://spubs.com https://islamagainstextremism.com https://salafitalk.net

As long as there is no solid evidence to nail Putin down as the orchestrator of the hit on the ex-spy I will treat this as a mere speculation and wait as events unfold to declare my verdict.

noblezone:
Whether Usman Dan Fodio brought Islam or revived it is inconsequential. He made Rivers of blood in the North and enthroned the Caliphate and Emirates.

He fought Jihard which is Terrorism in the name of God.

As for Islam being religion of the whole world, that is your personal opinion based on your personal convictions.

I don't believe in your books nor in your so called Prophet.

Islam is a political movement of the Arabs sugar coated with religious fanfare just to deceive the gullible.

Wake up from you delusion.

Know your level before you discuss about matters of which you virtually know nothing about. Your emotional rants won't push away the truth and replace it with falsehood. Islam as a religion is meant for all not a tool fabricated by Arabs. I was not forced by any Arab to become a Muslim and neither were my parents and other than them. Usman Dan Fodio did what he did under a different circumstance as compared to what we have today. He was oppressed as well as his followers, and he had the strength to repel the harm without much harm and the end of it all sanity was restored till the coming of colonialists that destroyed most of what he laid down. Like I use to tell others I'm not against anybody that wants to emancipate him/her self from mental slavery but don't spread falsehood in the process in order to drive home a point.
Some of your other submissions were quite in order for instance the issue of overhauling the education system and promoting the good side of our culture like language, medicine, history and mode of dressing etc.

I never wanted to reply you but due to lots of falsehood being written by you it has become imperative on me to refute your claims. Usman Dan Fodio didn't bring Islam to Northern Nigeria or the Hausas. The Hausas have already accepted Islam way before Dan Fodio's great-grand-father was born, he only revived Islam in Hausa lands. Secondly, Islam is not the religion of Arabs, Islam is the religion for the whole of mankind as stated in the two books that Muslims take from.
As for you blaming British slave traders it is absolutely out of place, because it was our fore-brothers out of greed, jealousy and hatred for their likes that facilitated slave trade and partook in the business. The British slave traders only exported them to work in their plantations- they're not entirely to be blamed for those episodes. Let's look inward and solve our problems

Shaykh Muhammad Bazmool: While you are driving—and this is from the times where you need to accustom your tongue to utilizing good speech—you are driving and the other driver wrongs you. Now you have three options. First option: You can say: ‘May Allah guide you’. ‘May Allah rectify you’. ‘Perhaps you could be more careful’. ‘May Allah forgive you’. Second option: You can insult him, calling him various names. Third option: You can remain silent, not saying (kind words nor insulting him) . These are the three options. The option which the Muslim should take is the first option. If he can’t do the first option, which option should he go to next, the second or the third? He should use the third option next; which is he remains silent. The option which the Muslim should not take (is the second option). And it doesn’t matter if they can hear you or not; because by insulting them you are getting your tongue accustomed to insulting others. And it is upon you to safeguard your tongue, even if they have wronged you. Don’t add on to it. He wronged you but maybe he has an excuse, he made a mistake, maybe he wasn’t paying attention etc. If you find an evil word from your brother are there are seventy good ways you can interpret it. Interpret it in a good way and don’t interpret it in a bad way. Translated and summarized by Rasheed ibn Estes Barbee http://mtws.posthaven.com/dealing-with-road- rage-according-to-islam

mapet:
Fair enough........ my thoughts are these

1. The lines between the quest for Oil and Agric starts from being parallel the intersect if we are wise
2. Countaries like UAE, Qatar, Malaysia etc have used their Oil wealth for rapid infrastructure development and investments in which Agri-business is one key area
3. The quest to find Oil is something Oil producers continually do. Oil when found continues to either deplete or unrecoverable. Oil producers focus on reserves replacements and that is why it is important to find more oil. Oil WILL bounce back to her respectable heights
4. We can leverage on both to strengthen our economy....

Besides Salkida will naturally write from the perspective of humanist orientation, while I see things from a Capitalist POV. Neither is wrong.

You are right in some of the points you raised; like failure of past leaders to invest in infrastructures and Agric during the oil boom, oil will always remain relevant till the next century so more is needed to shore up the reserves. Exploration should also be carried out in States like Osun and Ogun

mapet:
@Amoto94,

can I get some clarifications here;
1. What is the source of this article?
2. Is the following quote under not in bad faith ?

"On a face value, this sounds wise and reassuring to the political elites from the north of the country who not only treasure the allure of petro- wealth but love the idea that oil bragging right could also be theirs."

Source:salkida.com/lakechad-oil-prospects-or-agric-prosperity/
I don't think the quote is in bad faith as this will also spur other regions to look inward and develop their Agric sector.

raumdeuter baba your input is needed

BY AHMAD SALKIDA AND ABUBAKAR KUNDIRI

If you had to choose the fate of Lake Chad, which would you prefer: an oil and gas rich region or a rich eco-diversity driving prosperity through agribusiness? President-elect, Muhammad Buhari, has dropped the hint that his administration would re-open oil prospecting in the Lake Chad Basin. On a face value, this sounds wise and reassuring to the political elites from the north of the country who not only treasure the allure of petro-wealth but love the idea that oil bragging right could also be theirs.

Lake Chad shoreline had an elevation of about 286 metres (938 ft) above sea level and it had an area of more than 26,000 square kilometres (10,000 sq miles), making its surface the fourth largest in Africa, bigger than countries like Israel and Kuwait way back in 1963. Over the years, agriculture have comprised productive activities ranging from livestock to crop cultivations. Farmers produce food, fabrics and wood. From their array of value chain such as dairy products, fish, meat, grain and cotton agric business bring to the table a wide array of employment opportunities not open to any other economic sector.

Unfortunately, the Lake has not only shrunk to over 90% from 1963 to date but it now plays host to the infamous Boko Haram insurgency that has killed, maimed and displaced hundreds of thousands of the lake’s inhabitants. The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the Lake Chad Basin Commission (LCBC or CBLT in French) maintain that deficit in rainfall, drought, inefficient damming and irrigation methods are mainly responsible for the shrinking lake.

The discoveries of oil in Niger Republic, especially, in the Doba Basin (part of Chad Basin), raises hope of similar discovery in the Nigerian sector of the Chad Basin, and when geologists state with some measure of authority that the Borno Basin and the Benue Trough within Nigeria are all one part of a series of cretaceous and inter rift basins, it leads to the conclusion that discovery of oil and gas was a matter of time. With oil wealth envisaged by all in the region, attention shifted from investments in agriculture in the Lake Chad region to oil exploration.

According to Solomon Abaa, a leading geologist and former chair Professor of the Petroleum Trust Development Fund (PTDF) center in the University of Maiduguri, Chad Basin constitutes an extensive stretch of gas shores in Nigeria, “with some 160 trillion cubic feet.” Several exploration activities in Lake Chad indicated huge deposits of oil and gas. But globally trending interest in alternative energy sourcing gradually diminished the prospects of oil as a sustainable source of revenue and wealth for nations. Also, corruption, neglect and resulting conflicts have taken their toll as it is the case in the Niger-Delta region of Nigeria.

While oil revenue remains a strong driver of aggravated corruption in public places, agribusiness is totally different. Agribusiness and eco-diversity as a policy focus for the coming administration will not only create wealth it will ensure that the wealth so created domiciles with the people. It ensures that the people are empowered. It ensures that leakages associated with official transactions do not constitute the face of governance in that region of the country. It ensures that employment opportunities are escalated and that other sectors such as tourism are handed easy triggers for growth.

Lake Chad that covers 8 percent of the surface area of the African continent is stretched around one of the most troubled and poorest parts of the world. The shrinkage of the Lake has been driven by both global and local causes: climate change and vastly increased competing demands on the lake. The depletion of Lake Chad poses a pressing challenge to irrigated agriculture which is an important water consumer and the source of livelihoods for the overwhelming majority of the population. Between 75 and 80 percent of the farming population consists of traditional small holders, producing mainly staple foods for household consumption and with relatively marginal connections to market.

The problem of Lake Chad is actually manifold, ranging from the variability of the hydrological regime to the dramatic decrease in freshwater availability. The relatively high rating of water pollution mainly due to commercial cotton and rice production known to use large quantities of agro-chemicals. Other problems include the low viability of biological resources relating to the inability of the regenerative rates of plant and animal resources to keep pace with exploitation which on its own has aggravated loss of biodiversity as well as damages to the ecosystem.

The prospects for saving Lake Chad does not only brighten the future of over 30 million people that depend on the lake but it reduces poverty which is one of the biggest source of conflict and reasons for the significant increase in radicalism in the Sahel. As part of an effort to address the current challenges in the Basin, a seminar “Adaptive Water Management in the Lake Chad Basin: Addressing Current Challenges and Adapting to Future Needs,” was convened in 2009 by the Lake Chad Basin Commission (LCBC) and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) in Stockholm Germany.

The seminar attended by more than 50 participants representing riparian countries, donors and other institutes, identified the causes of the current environmental degradation to be mainly global climate change, unsustainable policy decisions, lack of good policy and lack of political will especially on the part of member states of the LCBC to drive development and change. There are eight member governments, mainly Cameroon, Chad, Niger, Nigeria, – the Central African Republic, Algeria Libya and Sudan – are chosen for their proximity to the Lake Chad Basin.

However poor coordination by member nations of the LCBC, have been attributed to the continual degradation of the Lake Chad Basin. The Commission has put on the drawing board a plan to replenish the lake by building a dam and 60 miles of canals to pump water uphill from the Congo River to the Chari River and then on to Lake Chad. The replenishment project “will be the first of its kind in Africa,” says Martin Gbafolo, the LCBC’s director of water resources and environment. Efforts, however, are still on raising fund to pay for the feasibility study.

Already the World Bank is providing $10.6 million for a project to reverse land and water degradation in parts of the lake. In addition, the LCBC is educating livestock herders on gaining access to grazing and watering areas. Water users are taught efficient water-utilization methods and fishermen more appropriate techniques for catching fish. Scientists have however insisted that attention must be paid to the final quality of the water resulting from mixing the waters of the Lake Chad Basin and the Oubangui, as well as the effect this will have on the ecosystems.

But investments in agriculture in the Lake has the potentials to transform the area to one of biggest eco and bio-diversity hub in the world. For example, the world’s most formidable economies are those with agribusiness at the foundation of the economic tree. Such countries include United States of America, Israel, and several EU countries. Whether it is oil exploration or water transfer in the Lake Chad, both projects come with huge cost to the ecosystem but the former is the lesser evil if conservation mechanism are adopted and security in the troubled region is taken seriously. The Lake Chad Vision for 2025 highlighted a number of important issues deduced from the existing situation in the lake’s drainage basin. The document identified three major objectives; namely, (i) maintenance of Lake Chad and other wetlands of the region at sustainable levels for the economic security of the freshwater ecosystem resources, sustained biodiversity and aquatic resources of the basin and their equitable use, the alleviation of poverty; (ii) acceptance of responsibilities for freshwater, ecosystem as well as biodiversity conservation and judicious integrated river basin management by regional and national authorities; and (iii) equitable access by Member States to safe and adequate water resources to meet their needs and rights

Salkida is a freelance journalist/conflict analyst and Kundiri is a Professor of soil and Water Management.

https://www.thecable.ng/chad-basin-oil-prospect-agric-prosperity
Mapet, laudate sagamite obinoscopy anonimi modath

[color=#000099][/color]Former US Defense Secretary Robert Gates,
the only person who held that position under
two presidents for two different political
parties, sat down with Business Insider this
week and described what he sees as the two
main factors that allowed ISIS to rise in the
Middle East.
Gates, who is promoting his new book, "A
Passion for Leadership," gave his take on US
policy in the Middle East.
He said the Syrian civil war and the policies of
Iraq's former prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki,
contributed to the terrorist group flourishing in
the region more so than the 2003 US invasion
of Iraq or eventual troop drawdown.
"I think the primary reasons for the rise of ISIS
are the Syrian civil war and the policies
followed by the government in Baghdad,"
Gates told Business Insider on Monday.
Even before civil war broke out in Syria in
2011, the regime of President Bashar al-Assad
allowed "rat lines" of jihadis to travel back and
forth across the country's border with Iraq,
fueling the Iraqi insurgency that eventually
turned into ISIS (also known as the Islamic
State, ISIL, or Daesh).
As Michael Weiss and Hassan Hassan explained
in their recent book, "ISIS: Inside the Army of
Terror," Syrian authorities reportedly knew
about the cross-border flow of jhadis, but did
nothing to stop it. And even when the Assad
regime did step in and try to make it appear as
though it was working to stop extremists from
moving between Syria and Iraq, the effort was
"eclipsed by rampant corruption" as Syrian
authorities took bribes to allow Syrians to cross
the border.
While the Assad regime was neglecting to stop
the stream of jihadists from Syria into Iraq,
Maliki was implementing sectarian policies in
Iraq that further divided the population,
making jihadist groups seem more appealing to
some.
But the US still did perhaps play a role in the
burgeoning conflict as well, Gates suggested.
"You can argue all day long whether the
absence of US forces had an impact on" the rise
of ISIS, Gates said, admitting that "the absence
of senior leadership that was able to mitigate
some of the sectarian conflicts in Iraq probably
had some impact on the willingness of Maliki to
follow these wrong policies."
Gates explained that Maliki's sectarian policies,
which often benefited Shiites at the expense of
Sunnis, made it easier for Al Qaeda in Iraq, the
predecessor to ISIS, to recruit. ISIS is a Sunni
terror group and bills itself as a great protector
during a time when disaffected Sunnis feel like
they can't trust the Shia-dominated Iraqi
government.
Maliki's "policies were so negative toward the
Sunnis in Iraq that I think many Sunnis believed
that ISIS would be better for them than the
government in Baghdad," Gates said. "They’ve
learned, to their sorrow, that that’s not true,
but Maliki gave the Sunnis in Iraq no reason to
resist ISIS because he was so anti-Sunni."

And while the US certainly didn't encourage
these policies, the determination to end the
war in Iraq and pull US troops out meant that
the country had much less of a US presence on
the ground at a time when Americans could
have been useful in mediating these conflicts,
Gates said.
"Where I think our presence mattered was
when we had senior military officers in
Baghdad, they were able to get the leaders of
Baghdad from all of the different groups
together, Sunnis, Shia, Kurds, and mediate
some of these disputes and minimize some of
the negative policies that were being followed
by Maliki," Gates said.
The US leaving may have further emboldened
Maliki to continue his anti-Sunni policies.
"When we left, most of the leaders of the Iraqi
Security Forces were people we’d had a hand in
training, and in some cases selecting, and they
were pretty capable people," Gates said,
referring to the Iraqi army that US forces
helped train and build up.
"Well, Maliki replaced all of those people with a
bunch of political hacks who were incompetent
and corrupt and no Iraqi soldier was going to
fight for them, as we saw in Mosul."
Sectarian divisions in Iraq have made it more
difficult for the country to foster a sense of
national unity that would inspire people from
different backgrounds to come together and
fight for the future of the country. In Mosul,
Iraqi forces abandoned their posts as ISIS
forces advanced on the city. The militants still
control Mosul to this day.
www.businessinsider.com/robert-gates-isis-rise-2016-1