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morpheus24:
Cheik deals with Egyptology at best and his arguments centered on the existenc of

morpheus24:
Louis Farrakhan, W.E.B Dubois, Henry Williams,- African American civil rights activists who are concerned with Politics and civil rights.
Kwame Nkrumah, Patrick Lumumba, Nnamdi Azikwe, Obafemi Awolowo

morpheus24:
Ivan Sertima- Anthropologist from the early 80's. Research outdated.

morpheus24:
Cheikh Anta Diop Anthropologist from the early 80's. Information outdated.

morpheus24:
[s]Cheikh Anta Diop Anthropologist from the early 80's. Information outdated.

Ivan Sertima- Anthropologist from the early 80's. Research outdated.

Paul Barton,- haven't read his works

Louis Farrakhan, W.E.B Dubois, Henry Williams,- African American civil rights activists who are concerned with Politics and civil rights. They are not anthropologists or scientists. The nation of islam did peddle a pseudo scientific story about how Dr. Yakub created white people as an evil experiment and space ships are coming back to take black people to heaven.

Kwame Nkrumah, Patrick Lumumba, Nnamdi Azikwe, Obafemi Awolowo - African nationalists involved in politics and nation building. They are not scientists, Anthropologists or Archealogists.

Olodo. Your name throwing will not save you here!





Cheik deals with Egyptology at best and his arguments centered on the existence of Black civilizations in the Nile valley with particular emphasis on the origins of Egyptians emanationg from the Natufian cultures in Africa. He argued that most of the Egyptian Pharoahs were black African and Melanin tests on some of the mummified Pharoahs proved this

After Diops time, further genetic testing was done on many pharaonic mummies and they cluster with Africans on a PN2 clad, meaning they did have African ancestry with E3b1b being the most consistent Ydna haplogroup consistent North Africans, Ethiopians, Somali and Nile valley peoples but also had many West Asian DAN ancestry as well.


Next argument please. You have no idea what you are listening to for real.


Olodo![/s]

morpheus24:
counter my arguments

morpheus24:
how are they associate with Africa. What makes them associated with Africa?

[s]Their skin color?

Their body morphology?

Their Brain size?

Their genetics?

Their cranio- metrics.

You are a simpleton olodo![/s]



1. What is antiquity? [s]do yo mean in the past and if so , when do you mean. [/s]

[s]2. By your logic, all people are African not just black people Olodo![/s]


[s]The oldest human fossil found is Africa is OMO 1 and is dated at 150,000 years ago. These fossils are Anatomically human and so cluster with present day human anatomy. Since they are that old it is neither here nor there what they typically looked like. They could have ha[/s]d [s]wavy to curly hair,( Straight hair is actually the default phenotype for most mammals)jet black to light brown skin and the body morphology of any type of human available today.
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[s]The oldest human fossils found outside of Africa are of another human species_ Neanderthal and Denisovan. They are not black Africans. [/s]


[s]YOu are an Olodo and have no idea what you are talking about. [/s]



I[s]f you are trying to follow the logical rules of deductive reasoning here you have failed woefully cause you just wrote gibberish up there.




Data is data. Data is objective information.

A view on something Eurocentric or Afrocentric is called "confirmation bias'. When you propose something in you faculties before actually testing it out just to confirm what you already had in mind in the first place.


No matter how hard you try. You are an Olodo. I gave you fair warning but you wanted to prove stubborn.[/s]

I will embarrass you here my young man!

morpheus24:
[s]how are they associate with Africa. What makes them associated with Africa?

Their skin color?

Their body morphology?

Their Brain size?

Their genetics?

Their cranio- metrics.

You are a simpleton olodo!



1. What is antiquity? do yo mean in the past and if so , when do you mean.

2. By your logic, all people are African not just black people Olodo!




The oldest human fossil found is Africa is OMO 1 and is dated at 150,000 years ago. These fossils are Anatomically human and so cluster with present day human anatomy. Since they are that old it is neither here nor there what they typically looked like. They could have had wavy to curly hair,( Straight hair is actually the default phenotype for most mammals)jet black to light brown skin and the body morphology of any type of human available today.


The oldest human fossils found outside of Africa are of another human species_ Neanderthal and Denisovan. They are not black Africans.


YOu are an Olodo and have no idea what you are talking about.



If you are trying to follow the logical rules of deductive reasoning here you have failed woefully cause you just wrote gibberish up there.




Data is data. Data is objective information.

A view on something Eurocentric or Afrocentric is called "confirmation bias'. When you propose something in you faculties before actually testing it out just to confirm what you already had in mind in the first place.


No matter how hard you try. You are an Olodo. I gave you fair warning but you wanted to prove stubborn.

I will embarrass you here my young man!




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Amujale:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BGSh2W0U1w[/flash]

How European Fundamentalist control Historical Commentary and Discourse

Amujale:
Below is a graphical depiction of Lucia the ancestor of the Americas

Amujale:
Barton discusses early American civilisations, have you heard of the "Wahetaw of Louisiana" ,

the Darienite Indians of Panama,

the Choco Regional Indians of Colombia,

the Chuarras of Brazil,

the black(sic) Califonians of California

or the Jamassee Indians whom in antiquity occupies modern day Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina and North Florida.

There are also the Guanin who are also said to be indigenous to the Caribbean.

Barton discusses black(sic) civilisations of the Americas from pre-historic to the present day times. The Washetaw of Louisiana are said to be master shipbuilders, in addition to sailing to and fro the coast of Africa, they are said to voyage the Atlantic and Caribbean Sea as well as the Pacific.

morpheus24:
[s]What mechanism turned these "Africans" (even though back then there was nothing such as an African, just a Homo Sapien Sapien being running around) to change from their present features into that of Europeans and Asians?







What is this Eurocentric view that you keep referring to?[/s]

morpheus24:
Honestly Amujale, you accuse me of not paying attention [s]but you are real Olodo. I added an attachment of the recent research done on the bones of Luzia at the Univerisy of Sao paulo and mentioned that the reconstruction done in 1990 was based on suggestions that the fossil found had cranio metric measurement similar to that of African/Melanesians but the DNA evidence from the research in 2018 shows that the genetics of Luzia correlate with Mongoloid Asians consistent with Ameriindian migrants into South America[/s]

[s]Please read it

OLODO!

http://agencia.fapesp.br/the-new-face-of-luzia-and-the-lagoa-santa-people/29168/


"How many human migrations from Asia came to the Americas at the end of the Ice Age more than 16,000 years ago was hitherto unknown. The traditional theory, formulated in the 1980s by Neves and other researchers, was that the first wave had African traits or traits similar to those of the Australian Aboriginals.

The well-known forensic facial reconstruction of Luzia was performed in accordance with this theory. Luzia is the name given to the fossil skull of a woman who lived in the Lagoa Santa region 12,500 years ago and is sometimes referred to as the “first Brazilian”. [/s]

[s]The bust of Luzia with African features was built on the basis of the skull’s morphology by British anatomical artist Richard Neave in the 1990s.

“However, skull shape isn’t a reliable marker of ancestrality or geographic origin. Genetics is the best basis for this type of inference,” Strauss explained.

“The genetic results of the new study show categorically that there was no significant connection between the Lagoa Santa people and groups from Africa or Australia. So the hypothesis that Luzia’s people derived from a migratory wave prior to the ancestors of today’s Amerindians has been disproved. On the contrary, the DNA shows that Luzia’s people were entirely Amerindian.” [/s]

morpheus24:
[s]I listened to the video properly and this guys video is really talking about issues with Jamaican sovreingty and the issues his country is experiencing as regards colonialism.

The only parts that are connected to the subject matter we talking about is his contentions on the origins of the Jamaican people and we shall discuss that below:[/s]

Contention 1: There were black people /Caribs called the Amaru or Olmec peoples who were the original inhabitants of Jamaica.

My response to that: I don't have a problem with that, there are blacked skinned people who populated the world in general, [s]however these people are not African people and if there were such people in Jamaica before the arrival of Africans, they would be Ameriindian people of Ameriindian genetic ancestry inregardless of their similar appearances to Africans, if that were the case. The guy in the video cannot prove his assertion again because genetic evidence in the Americas does not have any African DNA from the continent pre-columbus. It does have African DNA after the Atlantic Slave trade from Africans that were brought there 400+ years ago.

Contention 2: The Caribs looked like the Olmec colossal statues. An African looking people.

Response; There is no evidence to corroborate this hypothesis. The conclusions are based on circumstantial evidence. Idia Amin's face is put next to the Olmec statue as a montage to suggest that the Olmecs were Africans. This is deceptive picto-graphic manipulation.There is no fossil of any human found in the Americas that is older than Luzia 11,500 years who has been genetically tested and clustered with mongoloid Asians that crossed the bering straits, until this is discovered the factual information on hand is that there were no African populations in the Americas.

Contention 3: The Caribs were connected to Kemetic egyptians as they built Pyramids similar to those in Egypt and these pyramids were dated 20,000 years ago.

Response: What this would imply is that the Egyptian civilization dated at about 3,000 years ago is 1,000 of years younger that of the Olmec and so these Africans arrived the Americas with this pyramid building technology 1,000 of years before the Egyptians. The difference in numbers being 20,000- 3,000= 17,000 years. So these Africans had this technology 17,000 years before the Egyptians did ,yet on all their journeys round the world, they did not establish similar pyramid structures, Hmmmm

Contention 4. The trans Atlantic slave trade did not happen. There was a trans Atlantic war to wipe out all black civilizations and put them under subjugation.

Response. NO evidence to support his theory. DNA evidence taken on present day Jamaicans show their African DNA clustering with mostly West African and Central African groups DEFINITIVELY proven through DNA analysis that their ancestors emanate from these regions with the rest of their DNA coming from infusions from Europeans, a small percentage of South Asians and the rest Native Americans.

The other stuff he rants about have to do with Soverignty laws, World bank, Debt Slavery e.t.c., nothing to do with this subject matter.



Its a shame Amujale you just post stuff here that you cannot defend, it simply shows you not versed in much research or knowledge and are simply a young man engulfed in watchin AFrocentric videos.

Hit the books[/s]!

OneCorner:
Does this stop Africa from being backward?

dawnomike:
I'm not sure

morpheus24:
What senses are you speaking of here

Amujale:
Here we can see the reasons your argument is completely flawed.

To put it into its proper perspective the Nile civilisation represents about 5% of African history.

Your knowledge of history is very poor indeed. No amount of Eurocentric gibberish will improve that.

Most of your links and arguments are loosely based on the Nile civilisation.

The only idiot on the forum that everyone can see is you morpheus24.

You are a disgrace to all the senses.

Prove to everyone that you aren’t a lost cause.

I’m absolutely certain that you cannot be saved.

You are a lost cause, a liar and faker.

Nothing you write makes any sense to the normal general public.

You claim you are Nigerian and yet you have no sense. That to me is unfortunate because Nigerians are normally smart and well learned about most things.


You are the exception.

In fact, I haven’t met any people outside of Africa that are smarter than the average Nigerian.

morpheus24:
Only one of the links attached is related to Egyptology the rest are science journals relating to genetic studies on Native

morpheus24:
Below point to journals and a forum Egyptsearch( which I have been on for over a decade) available to the public for study on issues concerning African DNA and Olmec controversies.

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=8

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/genetic-studies-link-indigenous-peoples-amazon-and-australasia-003475

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707617698

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707600494

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929708001390

Amujale:
Without a shadow of doubt Africans are indigenous to mainland Africa, however, all and every other African community that exists outside of Africa prior to 1400 B.C.E. are said to have circumnavigate the oceans and seas in order to transport themselves.

The earliest examples are given in line with the early Eskimo, Indigenous Americans, Indigenous Asians, Indigenous Australasian and the Indigenous European. (not meant as a chronology rather alphabetic in order)

They circumnavigated the oceans and seas, depicted themselves similar to present mainland Africans, they described themselves the same way
as well.

All people of the world can trace their roots to African history.

Simply put, all the communities in the world are born from Africa.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/astonishing-3d-face-10000-year-10561797?fbclid=IwAR1U_5z0ABKkXQThJVjpf0_mRycSbUwqllWL1ZtOhLjr7YDLrEsMnGqCWa0

morpheus24:
Yes, because genetics is a eurocentric fabrication

morpheus24:
We already addressed this post a couple of pages back

morpheus24:
Your findings are wrong, incomplete analysis.

Amujale:
Without a shadow of doubt Africans are indigenous to mainland Africa, however, all and every other African community that exists outside of Africa prior to 1400 B.C.E. are said to have circumnavigate the oceans and seas in order to transport themselves.

The earliest examples are given in line with the early Eskimo, Indigenous Americans, Indigenous Asians, Indigenous Australasian and the Indigenous European. (not meant as a chronology rather alphabetic in order)

They circumnavigated the oceans and seas, depicted themselves similar to present mainland Africans, they described themselves the same way
as well.

All people of the world can trace their roots to African history.

Simply put, all the communities in the world are born from Africa.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/astonishing-3d-face-10000-year-10561797?fbclid=IwAR1U_5z0ABKkXQThJVjpf0_mRycSbUwqllWL1ZtOhLjr7YDLrEsMnGqCWa0

morpheus24:
The above is Amujale response to this statement I made "This test is useful to African Americans in general because if you were to test only the Ydna for AA males you would find Non European origins, meaning their original daddy was a white man who slept with a black woman who had a son who had a son, who had a son and so on."

morpheus24 post: This test is useful to African Americans in general because if you were to test only the Ydna for AA males you would find Non European origins, meaning their original daddy was a white man who slept with a black woman who had a son who had a son, who had a son and so on.

Amujale:
The ancestry of African Americans is predominantly from Niger-Kordofanian (~71%)

morpheus24:
You are just projecting now, stick to the actually arguments at hand. You being a pan African has nothing to do with
1. supporting your assertion that Africans or Humans are 50 millions year old.
2. Stating that Africans populated the entire world for millions of years
3. There existed an African civilization in the americas who found their way there via ships and boats.

morpheus24:
I don't know what relevance this has. Are you trying to insinuate that I have to be of another classification in other to oppose your nonsensical arguments.

Amujale:
Since you will Not have a sensible conversation without being deceitful, our conversation ends.

morpheus24:
Again you will have to point to where, what and when i stole these ideas from nairalanders.

morpheus24:
The only two things you have posted
Then you pull statements from the internet and completely mis-state what they mean.

Amujale:
When you won’t take the effort to study properly, instead of copying and pasting the writings of a chewing gum wrapper, it’s been shown to us that you are incapable of study.