What is it that you assume i am trying to articulate in my post?
morpheus24: Maybe you can't understand it but if you need clarification we can delve deeper into it.
All your posts are claiming Eurocentrism but at the same time using science in the same manner as those you accuse, skewing data and scientific information to bolster a certain narrative. Data is Data and must be viewed as objectively as possible so we get the truth of matters.
Anything else is Scientific heresy be it Eurocentrism or Afrocentrism.
Again inconseqential response.
My guy kindly jog along.
You are poorly read on World History.
Quoting material from my own post will NOT help your display of nonsense.
You arent fooling anyone.
You are going need to go back to the thread and read on some more World History. In your sparetime i advice you to go back and re-visit post from our previous encounters and READ them correctly.
morpheus24: Complete gibberish with no contextualization.
Anthropological studies and archaelogical studies "European mans" science all mention this.
No context, just gibberish again. Explain to us the process of their transformation from African to European?
This is not in denial, however an African who left Africa and became something else Andaman islander, Fijian, Eskimo, Ainu, European, Asian is no longer an African.
Phenotype is not Genotype. Every human on this earth today are a result of the Homo Sapien sapien species who left Africa and those that stayed in Africa as well.
All these groups of people both outside and inside of Africa all experienced multiple adaptations and mutations. They changed both phenotypically and genotypically as well . Therefore we are all progenitors of these Homo sapiens. Everyone is Africa. duh!
You are a complete dunce. The third time you will bring your warped underdtanding to the forum, you are a dunce, scrounger of other peoples concepts.
You are a disgrace to all the senses.
When you cannot read accurately and you claim to be an academic.
In the course of our discussions you have shown to be untrustworthy and unreliable.
You make false claims and misconscrue my posts for your own twisted means
Tell me what is your point ?
A turnip for an excuse of a human is what you are.
You have not come up with any sensible or logical argument, except that i am an Africanist.
African people are the first people God created, and through them came all other ethnicities
These are substantiated with Anthropolpgy, Archeaology, Geology and World history; they all corroborate with the "Out Of Africa" phenomenon that occured thousands upon thousands of years ago.
Theres so much now known about African history than ever before, thanks to the enthusiasm of great African historians, scholars and academics.
We know the specific periods when every ethnic group moved out of Africa. For instance, by using low-tech scientific apparatus are able to determine when the current stock of Asians and Australasians left the continent and their state of mind at the time.
Amujale: According to the Paleoclimatic history of our world, the "Out of Africa" experience occurs during the period denoting the Wurum Inter-Stadio. It was said that the Phenoms got caught up in an Ice box.
They live within the ever so hospitable ice; an enviroment dominated by Icy conditions for over a milenia.
Once the Ice Age passed, many Africans turned into white Europeans and Asians (there are a combination of conditions that allows for such to happen); whilst a few retained their complextions throughout the entire period. Those that retained their African features are known to us as the 1%.
50% of World History occurs exclusively within the African continent.
No sensible academic anywhere in the world can deny the fact that every human on earth came as a result of Africa.
Every ethnic group present in the world today are as a result of Africans and their rich history.
morpheus24: So you are assuming that I don't have rudimentary knowledge on each of the disciplines you.
Obviously you do NOT.
You are poorly read on World History.
You arent aware of the fact that humanity has been around over 50 million years ago. Something all serious minded historians have known of for years without end.
You waste much of your time trying to dispute absolute facts.
My advice is to study World History extensively and with an open mind.
morpheus24: So you are assuming that I don't have rudimentary knowledge on each of the disciplines you listed. .
Obviously you do NOT.
Assuming you possess the knowledge that you claim, then you would be aware of the jargons and the timeline of the true chronology of the Ages used in the determination of World History.
Since you dont even know that according to your own Eurocentric ideology humans have been around for over 50 million years.
morpheus24: 1. 55,000 time line for the emergence of Europeans/White Skin. This is confirmed by "European science" and is based off genetic studies of how old the gene that triggers skin pigmentation "SLC24A5" was dispersed and activated more so in Europe and Asia.
"Researchers collected genetic material from 1,570 Africans. They studied their genomes, examining 4 million single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) in all. These are areas along the genome where a gene has been altered. From there, they identified the four key areas responsible for the variation in skin pigmentation. What surprised researchers most was that the gene SLC24A5—responsible for light skin, thought to have developed in Europe, is actually very common in Africa."
2. First black man 150,000 years ago. Also confirmed by "European science". Homo sapien sapien's emergence dated back to this time. Prior that the rest of the theory names other types of species of Humans that populated the earth. There is no confirmation that these other species of Humans were black and they all died out therefore all humans today are of one stock not multiple stocks of humans or hominids
3.Albino gene- The Albino gene is not triggered by the same gene that gives color pigmentation to humans. It is a lack thereof of Melanin, therefore it is not responsible for the color pigmentation in White people. "Melanin is an organic pigment that produces most of the colour seen in mammals. Depending on how it is created, melanin comes in two colour ranges, eumelanin (producing dark browns and blacks) and pheomelanin (producing light reddish tans and blondes)". Therefore White people have melanin but a different form of it
4. African contributions to science via and Egypt_ This is not in contention and studies on Khemetic science, the metu neter exposes how many egyptian elements are present in modern day history and knowledge Isis or Asat and horus- Mary Jesus connection.
5. The oldest fossil found in Africa is not a Homo Sapien/black person or the first black person. She is an australopithecus, A type of archaic human that existed in Africa. Again Lucy was not a Homo Sapien, she does not share any genetic material that is common to all humans today any more so than a monkey sharing genetics with Humans today.
I did not hear anything about 50 million years for black people being around. All this guy is talking about is outdated. Please update your studies. These videos were made quite a long time ago and more information is actually present today that debunks and clarifies a lot of what he talks about.
This is no more than an afrocentric tilt to scientific information that was established in the 1990's.
I am about to watch the second video and critic it. if you wish to debate me please pick a specific subject matter from the video and we can go into detailed information.
That is due to the fact that you possesd a Eurocentric view of World History that is itself anti-African.
I put it to you that your viewpoint on Afican History is Eurocentric, warped and unfit for African purpose.
Theres no amount evidence one would provide your kind of warped anti-African mentality that could wash all the toxins to allow for common sense.
morpheus24: I asked you to simply direct me to what article dates human beings to 50 millon years ago and how did they come about that date.
And i direct you to go and check our previous discussion, there you will find sources of learned academics and historians i acredit to these historical facts e.g Cheikh Anta Diop, Ivan Van Sertima, Dr Ray Haggins, Paul Barton e.t.c
Assuming you are searching for more Eurocentric sources, then i cannot help you.
Good luck with your Eurocentric viewpoint on World History but i do NOT prescribe to that.
morpheus24: So in other words, you don't know where to reference me to.
Honestly you are loosing the plot, going to end our conversation here.
If you want the answer to your questions my advice is to study
Go and study a degree level in any of the disciplines i sighted earlier and get back to me with your findings.
Amujale: These are good questions that you find the answer to by studying Anthropology, Palentology, Biology, Morphology, Anatomical and Genetics sciences.
Its from the combination of the studies in these disciplines that help historians to identify with their timeline that outlines these same major world events.
More importantly, study World History according to African historians and academics.
morpheus24: What "genetic studies" are you referencing. Who conducted this research, where is it published ?
These are good questions that you find the answer to by studying Anthropology, Palentology, Biology, Morphology, Anatomical and Genetics sciences.
Its from the combination of the studies in these disciplines that help historians to identify with their timeline that outlines these same major world events. i.e The Paleocene.
Humans are said to have first appear in African fossill records over 50 million years ago dating back to the Paleogene Period.
bawomolo: the population growth in sub-Saharan africa is one of the highest if not the highest in the world.the population growth hasn't led to increase in productivity though
I agree with the spirit of your post.
Kindly use "South Of The Sahara" opposed to sub-Saharah.
Lets phase out the use of fancy terms as "sub" in exchange for the use of better and more transparent terminology.
Red Indians communities and their African counter parts had hugely affect by the Cowboys as descriped by classical Spaghetti Western movie depictions.
As emphasised earlier, after the invention of gunpowder by China everything changed.
The Red Indians dominated all their battle fields, they had the knack and ethics for battle, constantly battle ready, similar to the classical Zulu warrior, when they are on manouvre and are flat out they seem invinsible.
Yet, the invention of gunpowder and the intellect of the African would soon change all of that.
morpheus24: Please reference me to where you are getting all this info. The 50 million years. the arrival on each continent and how all people trace thier genetic make up to Africa. I would like to see it.
We've had that discussion already follow the link here:
Cheers!
Amujale: Yes Op, Dr. Ivan Van Sertima Guyanese-born associate professor of African Studies is amongst the research group that later debunks one of histories great falsities, their assumption that Africans are always stagnant is proven to be false.
Africans are the first people to arrive on every continent outside Africa.
Africans are said to be associated with the "Olmec" an ancient civilization that existed during the Egyptian dynasty. There are massive statues that were found in South America known as the "Collossal Heads" that depict black African warriors in full regalia. Some historians see their connection with the Mande people.
All the evidence puts Africans migrating to and fro the Americas, Europe and even Asia before the birth of Christopher Columbus. Here the essence of Tempest is rightfully redeemed from the clutches of Mungo Park’s allegorical assertions and considered now and in antiquity, one of (if not) the oldest trading post in the world.
For more information here are some books written by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima himself.
They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America
African Presence in Early America Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern (Journal of African Civilizations)
African Presence in Early Europe (Journal of African Civilizations) African Presence in Early Asia
morpheus24: I would like you to reference what books date humans back to 50 million years ago
According to Genetics studies the earliest fossils appear in Paleocene over 50 millon years ago.
Due to misinformation and distortion of foreign commentary on African history, most of these numbers arent known to African historians as an absolute, yet most that arent outrageuosly falsified are taken as the conservative numbers that they probably are.
jba203: Yes it South African. By the way South Africa is a multiracial country.
I agree with the spirit of your post here.
However, South Africa is a "multicultural" country
Lets all phase out the use of the term "race" as a substitute for culture or ethnicity.
Lets all phase out the use of the term "race" as a substitute for discrimination. People DO NOT experience Racism, people experience discrimination, nepotism, success in life, healthy living e.t.c
Why?
the term "race" is a socio-scientific construct that has no meaning outside of the social sciences.
the proper meaning of race is transposed inside the Olympic Stadium. That is infact the proper context that the term "race" belongs. As in, the Jamaican Ussain Bolt is 100m sprint race record holder.
making use of fancy words without researching their true-meaning or maybe they have a hidden meaning
They are known as an allegory.
The term "race" used in the context of ethnicity is an allegory that holds within itself a unique and exceptional special ability; invisible to the innocent user.
gatiano: 4.5 million is other races record. Black man in His own account said - Earth is 76 trillion years old, Its nucleus which is the sun is 78 trillion years old, The galaxy- milky way about 933 trillion years old; and Black People were existing prior to them.
Your estimations are more accurate than that of Western education's assertion on the matter.
Eurocentric and Asiatic writers are known to distort facts and numbers so as to fit into their version of World History.
I am NOT interested in how the world looks like according to the Asian or European in as much that neither of their thought process can find inside themselves to tell the truth about anything.
Eurocentrics and Asiatic fundamentalist writers often lie about World History.
I agree with the spirit of your post here, yet sometimes, its more productive to use Western numbers so as to retain the main thrust of ones arguement.
Human beings are said to have arrived after the Earth is in existence NOT before.
morpheus24: You say Africans changed into White Europeans and Asians yet fail to mention the mechanism as to how .
Amujale: Once the Ice Age passed, many Africans turned into white Europeans and Asians (there are a combination of conditions that allows for such to happen)
According to African historians and academics, there are a combination of factors that allows for that to have happened. The harsh climatic conditions combined with other scientific conditions are said to have start those effects.
morpheus24: A lot of Ethiopians have 50% genetic material from West Asia and the other 50% from Africa yet they are physically more African looking. .
Thats because West Asia can trace their genetic make up from Ethiopians, its just like that throughout Africa ethnicity. Similarly caucasian insist they can trace their genetic make to West Africa an Ethiopia.
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African people are the first people God created, and through them came all other ethnicities
These are substantiated with Anthropolpgy, Archeaology, Geology and World history; they all corroborate with the "Out Of Africa" phenomenon that occured thousands upon thousands of years ago.
Theres so much now known about African history than ever before, thanks to the enthusiasm of great African historians, scholars and academics.
We know the specific periods when every ethnic group moved out of Africa. For instance, by using low-tech scientific apparatus are able to determine when the current stock of Asians and Australasians left the continent and their state of mind at the time.
African historians are now able to determine the specific periods when every ethnic group moved out of Africa, are able to determine when the current stock of Asians and Australasians left the continent and their state of mind at the time.
According to the academics on Paleoclimatic history, the "Out of Africa" experience occurs during the period denoting the Wurum Inter-Stadio.
All the available analytical and scientific proof avialable to us enables these conclusions:
Humanity began in Africa and then they went forward to populate the rest of the world in what is commonly known as the "Out of Africa" phenomenon.
During the above events, Africans are the first people to explore and populate all the other 'continents.
Africans invented paper and they invented the ink pen.
Africans discovered the concepts of literacy.
Africans discovered the concepts of numeracy.
Civilization began in Africa and then it proceeded to trickle out to the rest of the world.
Everyone currently living on planet Earth all descend from Africa.
For more information:
. Africa in World History by Dr Hendrik Clarke
. The African Origin of Civilisation by Cheikh Anta Diop
. Africa: mother of "Western civilization" by Yosef-Ben-Jochannan
. New dimensions in African history by Yosef-Ben-Jochannan and Dr Hendrik Clarke.
. They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America by Dr Ivan Sertima