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morpheus24:
Africans are not a Monolith of phenotypes and genotypes much like every other group of peoples outside the continent and this is what Diop was trying to convey in his writings. That the suggestion that there is not a continuum of gradation of humans up to Ancient Egypt and all through the world as postulated by anthropologist and scientists of his time that separated peoples in terms of races and gave certain superior attributes to some was Ludacris and incorrect science. He has been justified in his works but again not all he wrote was correct. He mis-interpreted the complexity of the contributions of genetics by dismissing its relevance in his study of "social" interactions and

Kindly stop trying to convey your warped interpretation of African academia to us. Instead provide us with the evidence of your initial claims.

morpheus24:
Dr Anta Diop died in 1986 and was not privileged to see the advancements and contributions of human genetics into the field of Anthropology. This new data debunks a good number of his ascertions about the relevance of how genetics plays into the origins of "Black African peoples" and so called "black peoples" that populate or populated the rest of the world at one time.

He was very much an anthropologist and historian at heart and discarded the genotypical contributions to the idea of the human identity for the more arbitrary social classification of humans as they interact in physical spaces.

In a way, Diop’s findings did not talk only about the genetics of Africans, but the genetic derivatives of the early humans and that has a huge significance.

morpheus24:
I don't understand what you mean in the bolded part. Please elaborate.

I think it’s self explanatory if you read into Diop’s works. He derives from his scientific conclusions the fact that the early humans (Africans) has all the building blocks of the genes present in the world today.

morpheus24:
A note to you, Anta Diop was not a very conventional scholar so in other words he did not publish his works for peer review as he was suspect of the methodologies of those who were supposed to review and critic his works but there are critics on his writings.

And? What is the precise point you are trying to make here. All historians are deemed by thier peers to be unconventional, most African academics take it as a compliment.

Name me one African historian that your type considers conventional? Socrates was unconventional during his time, yet he makes better sense in 2019.

Furthermore, Africans don’t need to proof our theories and hypothesis to anyone, because Africans academics in most cases are THE authority on their given course of study, e.g Dr Anta Diop

Before the likes of Anta Diop one of a team of academics that are still considered today the most qualified team ever to have been assembled to look into pre-colonial Africa, the only other studies been done into pre - colonial Africa was that of some mediocre scholars that had little or no background in archeology, anthropology or any of the earth sciences.

Even though Anta Diop and his team are considered unconventional, that is because they explored concepts and made use of genuine scientific aparatuses other academia refuse to , in time, you will find that they are rightfully considered the leading authorities.

morpheus24:
Dr Anta Diop challenged a lot of the Eurocentric view points on race that characterized the study of Anthropology, race in ancient Egypt and racial categories in Africa as a whole during much of the 19th century.

Though most of his studies were a welcome rebuttal to many a Eurocentric pseudo science that flew around at that time, such as the concept of the "True Negro theory" advanced by Carltoon coon and the likes, Diop died in 1986 and was not privileged to see the advancements and contributions of human genetics into the field of Anthropology. This new data debunks a good number of his ascertions about the relevance of how genetics plays into the origins of "Black African peoples" and so called "black peoples" that populate or populated the rest of the world at one time.

He was very much an anthropologist and historian at heart and discarded the genotypical contributions to the idea of the human identity for the more arbitrary social classification of humans as they interact in physical spaces.

In a way, Diop’s findings did not talk only about the genetics of Africans, but the genetic derivatives of the early humans and that has a huge significance.

What year is this new findings suppose to have been published? Who are the authors? What is the subject of debate specifically?

Those who argue against true African history haven’t read “They Came before Columbus” by Ivan Van Sertima or books like the “Black Athena” by Martin Bernal.

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Ivan Van Sertima (Guyanese-born associate professor of African Studies); Professor Martin Gardiner Bernal (also
wrote the book Cadmean Letters, devoted to the origins of the Greek alphabet., respectively.

jantavanta:
There is nothing wrong in the indigenous Australian contribution to the population of Southern America or to the population of Japan.

There is no disconnecting Africa from the founding population of any continent.

It is still Africa populating the entire World, via land and sea, #WhenTheWorldWasBlack.

Here you state absolute facts that can never be denied.

morpheus24:
Dr Cheikh Anta Diop's works are a little old and some of it has been debunked and and updated.

Debunked by whom? And what part of his work are you referring to here?

Olu317:
Sorry, I am not your kind of African but Yoruba. Kindly do the study on the meaning of Africa, so that you will know the difference between my school of thought and yours.

African history is my study plus Earth sciences/Anthropology

Olu317:
Lastly,list the spirituality of African Gods(gods) that was the inspiration toward Roman, Persian and Greek
culture. In fact, around 100AD Christianity had entered Africa through Egypt,so be cautions of what you say because many people are as read as you are.

Prior to 1400 B.C.E all of Europe and much of Asia worship African God(s). Consequently, they assimilate their well known divinities into their culture and philosophy.

Olu317:
If you seek spirituality, then look unto Yoruba's IFA whose epitome creator is called Élédáà(owner of human heads;, creator of one's head). So quash your African spiritualism out of it that was bedevilled with massive human sacrifices to appease mortal men who died and turned to God. Unlike Yorubas ancestors who were seen as middle men to appease their Élédáà. Interestingly, in the concept of Èrí (Ori); worship of Élédáà, a part says,‘É jé kí fí Orísá sí'lé ká bó 'èrí(bó rí).' If you know what this mean, you will understand who the Yorubas are.

Stop already!

Obviously you don’t understand we’ll enough to know that it’s uncool to keep bringing chi into conversation.

Even though you seem quite intelligent and i sense great potential.

For me, to truly get understanding African history, certain conditions are to hold; one is to disregard rhetoric, hear say and all other anti-African discourse with regards to history. Furthermore, to regard African history as genuine, If it isn’t written, deliberated-upon or judged by Africans, such writings that fit into these category must simply be deemed inadmissible. That is to say, in a sense, most of the present Eurocentric and Asian discourse on African history will be deemed to be false and invalid.

The only true African history is that which is derived by an African(s), by default all other versions are false.

The discourse on European history is primarily exclusive to European writers.

The discourse on Asia’s history is primarily exclusive to Asian writers.

The discourse on Africa’s history is primarily badly concocted by European and Asian writers. This is where all of us (you and I) come in and repair the damage for the benefit of the next generations and our own overstanding.

Majority of ‘Classical’ European deities and divinities came directly from an African divinity, in some ways, they (the foreigners) would snatch an entire concept of ‘divine’ and transplant the same concept into their communities i.e Andromeda, Hermes, Zeus e.t.c

Greeks Zeus and many other mainland African divinity that the Greeks and Romans implanted into their philosophy; even though their total disregard for intellectual property is something that will haunt them forever. Roman Apollo same type of activity occurs; same thing with the Persians.

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The Origins Of Humanity: featuring Dr Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese historian, anthropologist, physicist who studied the human race’s origin and pre- colonial African culture)

In antiquity, there’s evidence to suggest that during a certain point in time, all humans on our planet are African; black, brown and bronze.

Two distinct phenomenon occur simultaneously:

(1)Geological phenomena i.e. Ice Age

(2)Biological phenomena i.e African women are granted a unique special ability that allows giving birth to non-African looking offspring.

These two distinct phenomenon are said to have combined to create the environment for the new ethnic groups that would later join the African on planet Earth.

Most African communities haven’t changed their genetic make-up even after marrying outside of the continent. Naturally most Africans have over-powering genes, attributes gained and retained from their rich ancestry.

Without a shadow of doubt Africans are indigenous to mainland Africa, however, all and every other African community that exists outside of Africa prior to 1400 B.C.E. are said to have circumnavigate the oceans and seas in order to transport themselves.

The earliest examples are given in line with the Indigenous Americans, Indigenous Australians, Indigenous European e.t.c (not meant as a chronology rather alphabetic in order)

They circumnavigated the oceans and seas, depicted themselves similar to present mainland Africans, they described themselves the same way
as well.

All people of the world can trace their roots to African history.

Simply put, all the communities in the world are born from Africa.

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The image depicts a 3D reconstruction of an early African settler in the Americas said to be 10000 years old.

morpheus24:
What I am trying to say is that the Africans that left the continent would resemble the Africans that still live in Africa today but they are not us now both phenotypically and genetically speaking. As Africans we have evolved too over that length of time to become what we are today.

That is totally incorrect, most Africans have retained their genetics almost entirely intact throughout the ages as the source for what is now known as the multi-cultural world of today, God endowed the African woman with the capacity to give birth to all ethnic groups available to human kind.

Olu317:
It is two way things ; true or false. Well, Babel existed and Nimrod existed even if he wasn't the ancestor of Yorubas because Ifa and ephod existed in two tradition: Yoruba and Hebrew before others fabricated their own version.

The interesting aspect of this is that the people who claimed to have same Ifa knowledge in West Africa can't present their version to the united Nation on world heritage . It clearly showed one is real while others are copycat of the original without full knowledge of it .


Cheers

African spirituality is HUGE, is larger than the organisation you refer to as the United Nations. The reasons they are acceptable is precisely because it will further contradict the lies and falsities been peddled to us by Christianity and Islam. And the United Nations is also part of the furniture in the office of a Eurocentric. African spirituality is the standard that everyone eventually ends up judging themselves with; however, what the Eurocentrics and Arabs forgot to tell us is that everyone in the Europe and large parts of Asia worship God through the African spirituality (some will argue they still unknowingly does today) during the time of the Romans.

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African historians spending the best part of their lives researching and writing African history.

Everyone should watch these videos.

Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese historian, anthropologist, physicist who studied the human race’s origin and pre- colonial African culture); Ivan Van Sertima (Guyanese-born associate professor of African Studies); Dr John Henrik Clarke (American historian, professor, and pioneer in the creation of Pan-African and Africans studies, and professional institutions in academia); Dr Ray Hagins Ph.D, respectively.

The global world is broken and needs fixing. The only thing on our planet that can come close enough to finding a cure for the entire global world’s problems is the spirituality according to an African.

There’s need for us to stop looking outwards for nothingness.

All the answers of the world’s problems are in our domain one way or the other.

You and I are the answer, collectively, it is our kind and territory that holds all the answers to the worlds problems.

There is no people(s) outside of Africa (Diaspora) that really wishes Africans any good, all they are really after are our minerals.

The best thing about our Great continent is widely considered her trickiest among her many great qualities; natural resources.

Our Great continent is the oldest and as a result, the richest on the planet.

Let’s re-write history for the sake of the coming generation. The ones we keep passing-the-buck to, they are going to need a good start, or a concept to develop.

Here’s is what’s proposed:

The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to our own rescue.

A pan - African progressive narrate that anywhere in the world Africans can relate to, work towards and rally around.

The African Dream

Think of any “modern” concept you can imagine, research comprehensively, and you will find an African(s) are the source of that same concept.

African ancestors are prolific inventors and professional concept pioneers.

The global world is broken and needs fixing. The only thing on our planet that can come close enough to finding a cure for the entire global world’s problems is the spirituality according to an African.

There’s need for us to stop looking outwards for nothingness.

All the answers of the world’s problems are in our domain one way or the other.

You and I are the answer, collectively, it is our kind and territory that holds all the answers to the worlds problems.

There is no people(s) outside of Africa (Diaspora) that really wishes Africans any good, all they are really after are our minerals.

The best thing about our Great continent is widely considered her trickiest among her many great qualities; natural resources.

Our Great continent is the oldest and as a result, the richest on the planet.

Let’s re-write history for the sake of the coming generation. The ones we keep passing-the-buck to, they are going to need a good start, or a concept to develop.

Here’s is what’s proposed:

The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to our own rescue.

A pan - African progressive narrate that anywhere in the world Africans can relate to, work towards and rally around.

The African Dream

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Yoruba isn’t Hebrew, but Yoruba however, predates all forms of the Hebrew Languages, therefore, if you have found connections to the Hebrew language it just goes to show that the Hebrew Language could have derived from Yoruba just like some claim the English language does.

Just to be clear, my advice to you is stop quoting the Christian bible or any of its derivitaves in an attempt to find associate with Yoruba because the books is not a good reference.

The true chronology of human history has it that everyone starts in Africa and later migrate to all the four corners of the globe.

Africans are the first people to arrive in the Americas populate and build communities.

Africans are the first people to arrive in Asia populate and build communities.

Africans are the first people to arrive in Australasia populate and build communities.

Africans are the first people to arrive in Europe populate and build communities.

Africans are the first ever Eskimos

Conclusion, every single ethnic group on our planet are a product of the first generation of humans; the first generation of humans are Africans.

Any other theory or hypothesis in living memory does not stand up to these simple truths.

An indigenous American culture enthusiast and have great interest in its reasearch; about five years research makes me come up with these findings.

Without a shadow of doubt, there are distinct and undeniable found connection between the indigenous Americans with much of mainland African culture.

There are various theories to explain this, one of the leading theories is an African viewpoint, indigenous Americans are said to have come from the line of the Olmecs.

According to Jose Melar, the Olmecs are supposed to have migrated from Africa (is comprehensively addressed in the “Olmec alternative origin...” documents).

Again, modern day African scholars identify Olmecs with the Mandé people.

Yes Op, Dr. Ivan Van Sertima Guyanese-born associate professor of African Studies is amongst the research group that later debunks one of histories great falsities, their assumption that Africans are always stagnant is proven to be false.

Africans are the first people to arrive on every continent outside Africa.

Africans are said to be associated with the "Olmec" an ancient civilization that existed during the Egyptian dynasty. There are massive statues that were found in South America known as the "Collossal Heads" that depict black African warriors in full regalia. Some historians see their connection with the Mande people.

All the evidence puts Africans migrating to and fro the Americas, Europe and even Asia before the birth of Christopher Columbus. Here the essence of Tempest is rightfully redeemed from the clutches of Mungo Park’s allegorical assertions and considered now and in antiquity, one of (if not) the oldest trading post in the world.

For more information here are some books written by Dr. Ivan Van Sertima himself.

They Came Before Columbus: The African Presence in Ancient America

African Presence in Early America
Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern (Journal of African Civilizations)

African Presence in Early Europe (Journal of African Civilizations)
African Presence in Early Asia

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The history that I present to you here, speaks of today, would pass all well-balanced scientific and logical scrutiny more than can be said for the present versions peddled by Eurocentric and Arab scholars.

There are two sets of history running in against each other,

(a)True history

(b)Manufactured history (these type are fabricated, not real)

History is suppose to be a true account of events.

However, manufactured history is unknowingly sometimes taken to be true.

African history isnt studied hard enough by us Africans. Furthermore, the version of African history that are taught in our schools today is false, inadequate, and totally unfit for purpose.

Its widely an accepted fact that African history predates Arabian, European or Persian intervention. I choose to dedicate my life’s work to uncovering our true history.

The history available to much of the general public are the accounts of foreigners that by definition are meant to be disregarded; as they are bound to have vested interest.

The basis for the argument used to write up Eurocentric version of African history lies on the hear say, written accounts, and personal scruples of foreigners and (or) anti-African individuals.

It’s a universal right to reject a foreigner’s version of history.

History tells us that foreigners cannot be trusted and even the Eurocentric writers that wrote pro - African literature in those days, can only really be seen reliable in a non - African way; foreigners have never showed to be capable enough to write her history.

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African historians spending the best part of their lives researching and writing African history.

Everyone should watch these videos.

Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese historian, anthropologist, physicist who studied the human race’s origin and pre- colonial African culture); Ivan Van Sertima (Guyanese-born associate professor of African Studies); Dr John Henrik Clarke (American historian, professor, and pioneer in the creation of Pan-African and Africans studies, and professional institutions in academia); Dr Ray Hagins Ph.D, respectively.

I study with keen fascination everything about pre-colonial Africa for most of my adult life, history is intentional choice for me, because if you intend to study on sometime it’s normal to want to know their history.

I’ve studied world history with the aid of the writings and seminars of great African academics.


In part of my findings, it becomes crystal clear that Europeans and Arabic scholars spent the best part of their times trying to down-play, make false claims and or silence the discourse around African history.

Instead the evidence suggests that the version of history taught to us and peddled by western philosophy is both incorrect and counter-intuitive.

According to most of our reputable historians,
West African communities predates all and a every community outside of Africa and is highly considered amongst the oldest in Africa.

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African historians spending the best part of their lives researching and writing African history.

Everyone should watch these videos.

Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese historian, anthropologist, physicist who studied the human race’s origin and pre- colonial African culture); Ivan Van Sertima (Guyanese-born associate professor of African Studies); Dr John Henrik Clarke (American historian, professor, and pioneer in the creation of Pan-African and Africans studies, and professional institutions in academia); Dr Ray Hagins Ph.D, respectively.

Olu317:
In fact, researchers are spread across the globe,irrespective of colour or ethnicity.

Cheers

African historians are the most qualified and capable to write African history. Most of the facts that you state have been found to be based on questionable ideologies.

Now, there’s need for me to make clear the fact that West African communities predates all and a every community outside of Africa and is highly considered amongst the oldest in Africa.

Olu317:
1. Since you and I know Yoruba's calendar is 10,60 years as at today, how do you conclude on your information of Yoruba being the oldest people on planet earth?

2. Do you know about the four- oldest fossils that their ages range from over 100 years - 300 years are not in West Africa?

3. Do you know the oldest fossil human found in Yoruba land at Iwo Eleru isnt Yoruba ancestor?

4. Do you know this fossil human found in Iwo Eleru is about 11,000+ years?

5. Do you know the oldest temple in the world is in Göbekli Tepee in Turkey?


Dear brother, if you don't like Caucasians, because one reason or the other doesn't mean,fossils account need be neglected by you. In fact, researchers are spread across the globe,irrespective of colour or ethnicity.


Cheers

Although much of what you state here are official lines.

And are the ones that needs refuting. These arent based on scientific conclusions, rather are loosely based on out dated Eurocentric and Asian bias.

There’s need to understand that the way Africans operate in the ancient times cannot be crosschecked by making use of Eurocentric and or Asian bias text or viewpoints.

Furthermore, the greatest significance of "Gobekli Tepe" is shroud in the myth that it supposedly the birth place of civilisation, however untrue that may seem, it's sacred significance however, is in the fact that the people who built "Gobekli Tepe" are rightfully deemed the first religious gathering to come out of Europe.

African historians have been proven to be more trustworthy than their Eurocentric and Asian peers.

All the earlier communities are said to have started in and around West Africa.

African academics are studying tirelessly to correct world history.

To perceive the truth behind world history, one has to first assume that the versions they all peddle to us cannot be accurate.

Start from the beginning and work your way to the present times; a daunting preposition but very effective indeed.

Africans have the absolute right to reject the history that is peddled by Eurocentrism and Asian rhetoric, for many reasons, the obvious being that neither of their versions of history can really be trusted.

Under every law under our Sun, it’s universal, the right to be allowed to write ones’s own history without any negative or foreign influence.

You simply cannot be wrong in trying to correct the writing of your own history. Nobody can really understand African history better than an African.

African history and world history are flawlessly linked, especially when African history spans through out all the Ages experience by humans; one of a kind.

All the significant stages in human development, thought, speech, text, art, agriculture, commerce, architecture, mathematics, philosophy, physicians, music e.t.c all started, developed, improved and mastered whilst Africans are the only people on the planet.