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Yoruba is recognised as ‘patrimonio imaterial’ to the people of Brazil.

Many thanks to the people of Brazil for their efforts towards making it happen, special thanks to the people of Rio De Janeiro.

budaatum:
The sunshine, free power from the heavens that we still haven't worked out to use yet! And you, or rather, us! Because though we disagree on the details, I know we are sleeping giants who will awaken someday.

I look out my window and see solar panels on just about every building in a nation that has sunshine 3 months in a year. See the weather in picture today. No sunshine. Clouds like those that precede a thunderstorm in my Orolu Kingdom. And it will be not much different till sometime in May. And then I think of my beloved Africa, so blessed with resources, human most especially, and sunshine all year round that we haven't figured to use yet and so live in the dark. I spoke to ma earlier and she complained how hot it is in the Orolu Kingdom while I have to pay lots of money so I don't freeze to death!

I'm filled with hope for the future because I know for certain that we are waking up and freeing ourselves from the shackles of ignorance we bind ourselves with. It will be a spectacle the likes to blow ones mind and I just hope I live long enough to see it.

Similar to what you say, our destination point is similar, although we might disagree on how to get there. I agree with the spirit of your post here.

Solar energy is common sense, even with the Chinese lobbying governments so as to sell us electrical generators, solar energy has to emerge as a viable option for the general public.

budaatum:
Really? "Africans are implicated too", but its not our fault that we sold ourselves? What about African slavery in general, which predated the Atlantic and Arab trade? Were Martians selling or buying us then, or is it your claim that we Africans never enslaved and sold one another to each other before the Arabs and Europeans arrived?

The horrors of the Trans Atlantic campaigns was a making primarily of Arabs and Europeans; yes some Africans are implicated too but the blame lies squarely on the Arabs and Europeans.

budaatum:
Really? There were no books before then? Sorry man, but I don't think I can go on with this anymore. The facts are that text and knowledge was never the preserve of any one race. The Egyptians themselves knew this and stocked up the great library in Alexandria by confisticating any written text brought into the city, copying it, keeping the original and letting the owner keep the copy while we kept their original. Those bloody thieving Europeans and Arabs stealing our precious texts and precious stones!

Egyptians didn’t commission the ‘libraries in Alexandria’, that was a Greek by the name Alexander the third of Macedon.

It is said that all the famous Greek academics visited Egypt, e.g Plato, Aristotle, Herodotus, Socrates e.t.c.

Pythagoras is known to have spent over 20 years in Africa.

Socrates admits in one of his books, “ I studied philosophy and medicine in Egypt”

budaatum:
Egyptian early writing is the hieroglyphs seen on ancient walls. But even way back before Christ, the occupants of the area claimed aliens from out of space wrote it and never taught them to read it. I bet you there's quite a lot of information in those glyphs, but who deciphered them? Your Europeans, who came, did the work and learnt what they meant while the African insisted they were written by aliens from out of space because that's what they'd been told by their African forefathers. Rather than learn from those texts, we decided to make gods of them and bow down to worship them! And you there blaming those who saw value, which we seem blind to in what belonged to us!

Egyptian never thought their writings was from aliens, that’s royaly incorrect.

Are you aware the current people of Egypt are not related to the ancient Egyptians.

The translation of hieroglyphs for global consumption is an international effort. A thorough and comprehensive analyses would later be presented in Karenga Maulana and Raymond Faulkner’s books on Egyptology.

bjnorl:
Brazilians are originally Native Americans. Native Americans come from Asia. All latin Americans are originally Native Americans.

Did you bother to research what was said.

A Red Indian culture enthusiast and have great interest in its reasearch; about five years research makes me come up with these findings.

Without a shadow of doubt, there are distinct and undeniable found connection between the Red Indians with much of mainland African culture.

There are various theories to explain this, one of the leading theories is an African viewpoint, the Red Indians are said to have come from the line of the Olmecs.

According to Jose Melar, the Olmecs are supposed to have migrated from Africa (is comprehensively addressed in the “Olmec alternative origin...” documents).

According to modern day African scholars however, The Olmecs are identified with the Mandé people.

@budaatum what do you like about Africa?

budaatum:
Sounds like Trumps MAGA to me. "Those immigrants are coming to take our stuff", when the truth is we are very happy to sell our stuff to them and beg them even to come buy it at discount. We even sold our own people to them! Or are you of the opinion some white people came to hunt for slaves in Africa? The truth is we drove our own people in shackles and chains to the coast where they were waiting for us. And today we are prepared to walk through deserts and swim the channel to sell ourselves in their land!

Our African gods (philosophy, ways of reasoning) are old and antiquated. They are no different to the ancient Greek and Roman gods of thunder and iron, which they were wise enough to abandon when superior gods of books turned up. And they were better of for it. Today, they are abandoning those gods of the book for the gods of their own senses (science), and are much better off still. And the new gods (ways of reasoning and seeing things), is not theirs, but belongs to all humans who are willing to learn it. And we Africans better start learning, or we will just continue to be worse off. Going backward to some glorious past that never exists is, well...........

You need to learn or read more on African history. Ignorance is not an excuse in 2019. The Atlantic Slavetrade was a making primarily of Arabs and Europeans; yes some Africans are implicated too but the blame lies squarely on the Arabs and Europeans.

The Europeans came to Africa, stole her precious stones, copied her precious text, jumbled it up and created a Jesus story to help subjugate their crazy campaigns; i.e crusades & holy wars.

The Arabs came to Africa, stole her precious stones, copied her precious text, jumbled it up and created Islam to help subjugate their crazy campaigns; i.e. crusades & holy wars.

The early Christian & Islamic crusades are considered by modern day historians to be one of the deciding factors on how broken the world is today.

All religions got their concept of God from Africa, including the Greeks.

Have you seen Greece lately? The Greeks aren’t fairing so well.

African philosophy is the only solution to the world’s problems. A good reason for foreigners to want our souls.

The African concept of God is original one. Many have been brain-washed to hate their own culture and traditions.

That’s the reason all the organised religions operating in Africa are silent weapons of mass destruction; badly needs to be addressed.

In the course of human history, African God(s) is seen as the most pleasant, fair, caring and unbiased divinities the world has ever seen.

Africans can rule the world again if they find their true identity again.

Get rid of all the ties from colonialism including their religion(s).

Start from the beginning again. I suggest something radical as re-drawing all the boundaries within Africa.

Re-constructing the entire continent with defence and prosperity in mind.

This will be a huge campaign that could last longer than 100 years, but it would be worth the wait.

Looking inwards and fixing our problems.

budaatum:
No Africa has never had a system of government! Almost every tribe has had its own unique system of government but it never works across whole tribes. You imposing the Yoruba system of government over the entire tribe and let me know how many Obas you'd end up with. And while you're at it, consider the constant squabbles they'd have for resources. Modakeke-Ife is a hint, along with Oyo-Ife, and my very own Orolu Kingdom with our neighbours.


We had British parliamentarism because it's what we inherited and when we didn't want it no more, we were the soldiers who imposed military rule on ourselves, and when we were fed up of guns we chose the American presidential system! None of these forms of government were imposed on us, so stop making out we are helpless and don't have a say in the matter. We do!

Let me help you to understand what is being proposed here. Africa is a huge and complexed common multi-cultural society. The system of government adopted are not fit for purpose. In acknowledging that then there’s need for an immediate change in the way we look at the world and to define our rightful place in it.

The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to the rescue of the rest of the world.

Goel:
In my opinion, you guys have a great advantage that you can learn from mistake of others. West doomed itself with inequality while capitalizing while Soviet socialism kept every citizen equally poor. China & India screwed their economies trying to run socialist economies and experienced economic gains after dropping it.

Best is to put a free market liberalized economy with an array of socialist scheme to help poor. You'd need capitalization to increase per capita income of your countries and second part will make sure that no one is deprived completely off that boom. But first thing Africa will have to do is dismantle all foreign military bases & interventions.

West is already stuck, Asia will age and stop growing in next 4-5 decades, best wishes to Africa.
Regards

That’s a fair assessment and I agree with you here.

The global world is broken and needs fixing. The only thing on our planet that can come close enough to finding a cure for the entire global world’s problems is the spirituality according to an African.

That is to say, the narative has changed. There’s need for us Africans to stop looking outwards for nothingingness.

All the answers of the world’s problems are in our dormain one way or another.

Africans held all the answers to all worldly problems.

There is no people(s) outside of Africa (Diaspora) that really wishes Africans any good, all they are really after are our minerals.

The best thing about our Great continent is widely considered her trickiest among her many great qualities; natural resources.

Our Great continent is the oldest and as a result, the richest on the planet.

Let’s re-write history for the sake of the coming generation. The ones we keep passing-the-buck to, they are going to need a good start, or a concept to develop.

Here’s is what’s proposed:

The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to the rescue of the rest of the world.

In this scenario, all organised religions operating in the African continent will eventually lose out to this new way of thinking. A pan - African progressive narrative that anywhere in the world Africans can relate to, work towards and rally around.


The African Dream

Goel:
The African dream should be about bringing stability & democracy in Africa and liberalizing economy for growth.
Spirituality will prevail itself as trust in government, optimism and nationalism rises.

Now there’s something we agree on in principle; however, it’s not clear what form of government we are to eventually adopt, I suspect this would vary across the regions.

Africans has always a system of government; it just needs a few tweaks that would set to be fit the 21st century.

Whatever it’s eventually associated with, democracy, communism, socialism or whatever, will be deliberated upon and chosen by Africans and not imposed ones.

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The Great Debate: Dr J Hendrik Clarke Vs Mary Lefkowitz

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Dr J Hendrik Clarke: The Reasoning (Knowledge, Wisdom & Overstanding)

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Dr John Hendrik Clarke

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How Europeans control historical commentary and discourse.

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The video tries to address the reasons eurocentrics writers erased Africans from their own version of world history.

The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to the rescue of the rest of the world.

A pan - African progressive narrative; derived by Africans, for the sole purpose of revitalising the global narrative; one that the entire African community can relate to, work towards and rally around.

Amujale:
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African historians spend the best part of their lives researching and writing African history.

Everyone should watch these videos.

Goel:
Ultimately, everything we can get is contradicting that Egypt ever ruled world or mankind. At least with free thought process.

That's utter faulty, Africa isn't a supercontinent even if you add middle east to it.

Amujale:
I see you can’t get round the fact that Africa rules the world. Don’t take it up with me. You should take it up with the ancient Egyptians.

You continue to misconstrue what has been said with anti- African retric. What I share with you here are not objective like all your retric seems to indicate.

Are you an African?

If you are not then, you should go and watch the sun rise or something else equally interesting; leave the grown- ups (Africans in general) to investigate and re-write our own history.

The global world is broken and needs fixing. The only thing on our planet that can come close enough to finding a cure for the entire global world’s problems is the spirituality according to an African.

That is to say, the narative has changed. There’s need for us to stop looking outwards for nothingingness. All the answers of the world’s problems are in our dormain one way or the other.

You and I are the answer, collectively, it is our kind and territory that holds all the answers to the worlds problems.

There is no people(s) outside of Africa (Diaspora) that really wishes Africans any good, all they are really after are our minerals.

The best thing about our Great continent is widely considered her trickiest among her many great qualities; natural resources.

Our Great continent is the oldest and as a result, the richest on the planet.

Let’s re-write history for the sake of the coming generation. The ones we keep passing-the-buck to, they are going to need a good start, or a concept to develop.

Here’s is what’s proposed:

The African Dream.

What is the African dream?

The African dream is the narrative that stands on the assumption that the rest of the world is crazed with lust for materialistic things and has neglected what really matters, our relationship with (the African) God(s).

Furthermore, it’s us Africans that will eventually have to come to the rescue of the rest of the world. A pan - African progressive narrative that anywhere in the world Africans can relate to, work towards and rally around.


The African Dream

budaatum:
Hopefully, you read the entire thread and know that the subject in op was addressed in detail. Op made a spurious claim about some glorious past Africa which he could not provide any evidence for. You have made the same claim and expect it to be accepted because you've "been to Egypt" and seen the pyramids and claim you saw things that archaeologists who spent decades studying them missed. Yet you provide no evidence for you claim. Are you asking me to take your word for it and believe you?

I agree the data on the pyramids is not exact and any given dates for when they were built are guesstimates though not as far out as you are claiming. The earliest Pyramid is that of Djoser, which was built c. 2630–2610 BC during the Third Dynasty. It's very likely that pyramid was built on a foundation that preexisted, but there is no evidence that it goes back as far as you wish to believe. But if you do have evidence that it was built much earlier as you seem to think, then I strongly suggest you provide it, first, to educate us all (just saying it won't cut mustard, mind), and second, so you get the accolade for figuring out what others, according to you, got wrong. But even if they were built 20,000 years ago, that still does not prove Egypt ruled Africa, or the world, as you claim. And to be honest, and I think I've said this before, religion is not Africa's problem. What is the problem is the sort of religion we practise that encourages spurious claims to be made and believed by some without any evidence or proper scrutiny of the available evidence.

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budaatum:
"Began", does not mean "ruled"!

I see you can’t get round the fact that Africa rules the world. Don’t take it up with me. You should take it up with the ancient Egyptians.

Goel:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080905-pangaea-suction.html
Modern homo sapiens came into existence 500k years ago. The last supercontinent disintegrated more than 100 million years ago. And look what you wrote?

Maybe because I haven’t made clear enough it’s easy for you to misconstrue my reference to super continent, in purely historical terms (the early map of Africa, where that version of Africa is not only a continent but super-continent) with the geological version of super continent as you seem to have done.

Goel:
Bur founded first modern civilizations in Asia, that's of Mesopotamia and Indus Valley Civilization, people who founded following civilizations of middle east, Iran and India and later travelled to Europe, North East Asia and Americas through Russia during ice age. Egypt was founded along in Africa.

There is no citation from any scholar or any proof that Egypt ever expanded its frontiers much beyond Africa. More important, supercontinent had ceased to exist back then.

This is the type of thought process that needs to be challenged here. Moreover, ancient Egypt is merely a part of African history.

Humanity began in Africa and its here the early civilisations are born. Civilisation does not appear in a vacuum. It’s simple logic.

All major civilisations are as a result of the influence from earlier ones.

Africans need to look inwards for OUR solution to the world’s problems.

I have been studying everything about Africa for quite sometime now. History was an intentional choice for me, because if you intend to study on sometime it’s normal to want to know the history right?

Exactly, and I have never looked back since.

In my findings, I can tell you that the Europeans have not been teaching us the truth about our history.
Instead the evidence suggests that the version of history taught to us and peddled by western philosophy is both incorrect and counter-productive.

budaatum:
Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to the fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu, Egyptologists believe that the pyramid was built as a tomb over a 10- to 20-year period concluding around 2560 BC.

Here is a typical example of misinformation.

As far as I am aware, there is no evidence to support the assertion that the Great Pyramid Khufu being used as a tomb.

The reason the ancient Egyptians built the Great Pyramid of Khufu is shrouded in mystery and fog; although there are many interesting theories out there, i.e the power plant theory (wireless electricity); the flood story (it was built to help save the ancient from a huge flood); a time-piece (a gigantic clock) or maybe a mathematicians device.

When considering dates and the correct chronology of important events in human history, serious minded Africans and academics must re-visit their readings and derive their own conclusion for themselves.

It is known to be common amongst foreigners the practise of distortion or intentional misrepresentation of the correct readings to the dates and ages of African artefacts and structures so to as to fit their own vision on how the world is suppose to look like.

budaatum:
Based on a mark in an interior chamber naming the work gang and a reference to the fourth dynasty Egyptian Pharaoh Khufu, Egyptologists believe that the pyramid was built as a tomb over a 10- to 20-year period concluding around 2560 BC.

This is wrong, the pyramid complex at Giza is older than once thought, I am not going to pretend to be a specialist in Egyptology but I have been to visit the ancient ruins a few times and have come back to question Egyptologist about various subjects including ones relating to the Giza plateau.

I see you are more interested in Egyptology than the bigger question the OP’s asking here? And I don’t want to turn this topic into an Egyptology lesson.

According to my sources, nobody can say for certain who built the original structures on the Giza plateau, in all seriousness it was probably an unknown ancient that nobody has heard of, the latest discussion is that the earlier Kemet civilisation built the Giza complex as carbon dating
places the early structures on their foundation more than 20,000 years old oppose to 4,000 years once thought.

budaatum:
Heres a link to some history you might want to dispute.

A History of ‘Kemet’ – Ancient Egypt

Was this meant as your contribution to OP’s question?

budaatum:
Heres a link to some history you might want to dispute.

A History of ‘Kemet’ – Ancient Egypt

What is your point here? What am I suppose to be disputing and Why?

budaatum:
That's no reason to fabricate lies and call it history. And perhaps you'd have to explain to me what you mean by "ruled".

Early humans migrated out of Africa about 2 million years ago and entered Europe between 1.5 million and 1 million years ago. Humans arrived in Australia probably within the past 60,000 years and to the Americas within the past 30,000 years. Egypt's first dynasty dates back to around 3150 BC with the political unification of Upper and Lower Egypt under the first pharaoh of the First Dynasty, Narmer. Essentially, Egypt only began ruling Egypt less than 5160 years ago. But lets even assume Egypt dates back to 20,000BC, for arguments sake. It still never ruled the whole of Africa at any point in eithers history. So when exactly did it rule Europe, Asia, China, the Americas and Australia which were all populated by then? Did Egypt send emissaries to the occupied world you claim it ruled to dictate laws and collect tribute from those in these far off worlds which by the transport available at the time, they'd likely never get to?

Who built the pyramids complex at Giza?

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Africans need to look inwards for OUR solution to the world’s problems.

I have been studying everything about Africa for quite sometime now. History was an intentional choice for me, because if you intend to study on sometime it’s normal to want to know the history right?

Exactly, and I have never looked back since.

In my findings, I can tell you that the Europeans have not been teaching us the truth about our history.
Instead the evidence suggests that the version of history taught to us and peddled by western philosophy is both incorrect and counter-productive.