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The Bible is the greatest evidence that can't be denied! No nation under the heavens have the genealogy of man from creation like the chronological order that Moses arranged the writing of the first book of the Bible Genesis,how come we're speaking different languages,why do we grow old, get sick and die? What is the origin of religion? Who are the demons?what happens to man at death?can man live again? can the dead harm or help the living? All these questions and many more you can find the answers in the Bible but there's no other nation under the heavens with a book that can give us reasonable, convincing and satisfying answers like the Bible! (The book that the God of Israel inspired HIS people to write)

The bible is a FRAUD!

Let the words sink into the inner most condon of my brain and set me FREE as I read this text.

THE BIBLE IS A FRAUD!

The bible is a compilation of plagiarized text from ancient religions and stories from around the world; the contents and characters of which have been re-packaged, sexed-up or simply altogether made-up.

Allah isn't Olorun Olodumare, period.

No, not quite what was meant.

It’s probably down to the lack of absolute translation; or diffrence in customs, or due to conflicting tradition, but my main point is that anyone looking to find a difference needn’t look that far.

Yet, it seems safer just to accept the fact that given the striking similarities Olodumare is God/God is Olodumare. or Olodumare is Allah/Allah is Olodumare.

lawani:
The pre Mohammedan Allah is Olodumare but the present Muslim Allah is not. It does not fit!

Plus, where the need for one to take into account language barriers becomes necessary, then it would constantly be boiled down to nonsense.

0balufonlll:
Most famous Orisa? I do not know where you want to place Ifa/orunmila which is more universal in the Yoruba world than Sango. Sango has a solid base in Oyo and he/it is more popular in the Oyo-centric region. Start from the shores of the Atlantic to the Kabba -- you'll find that Sango is not the most famous. At the most, all Orisa have relatively eual fame.

By default, Obatala owns and rules the head and shoulder of everyone till they initiate an Orisa either by volition or they were instructed to from divination.



There's no Orisa much more important than a person's head or the Orisa that owns a person's head. A favourite Orisa may not necessarily be the Orisa that is most important to a person.


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Eventhough I agree with you and your viewpoints, am afraid my opinion is unchanged.

Sango is arguably the most famous Orisa in the world.

Like in reference to earlier comments, in some areas outside of Africa, (bizare as it might sound) Sango is seen simply as God.

And just like your initial point suggests, many academics also accept that Ifa is more famous.

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thehomer:
That was why I pointed out to you that your syncretism was not complete. Their belief was to approach Olodumare via the lesser Gods. i.e This Olodumare had lesser Gods while your Allah doesn't. So, why would you claim that Olodumare and Allah are the same entity when one has lesser Gods while the other doesn't?

Nobody is claiming anything, merely opinions with hard facts on the topic.

For me, Olodumare is Allah in various ways that makes more sense expressed in this form however if you attempt to interchange, then it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence. Allah is Olodumare in many ways yet if you attempt to interchange, then. it hardly makes sense not to mention of having to qualify in it essence.

Ase wa!

Shango is probably the most famous Orisa the world has ever seen. In some areas of the world Shango is more or less the one and only and all others are regarded lesser.

However misguided academics might treat such leaps in faith, it merely strengthens not weakened the array of talent available to the Yoruba faith.

Which Orisa rules head and shoulders above the others, I think all the premodial Orisa are divine entities, some relatives - yes, bouncing ideas and even at times influencing one another most definitely; for me, they are all revered correctly and rightfully.


Firstly, let’s not confuse our favourite Orisa with the most important Orisa; although I concede to the fact that might be one of the same. As in, one’s favourite Orisa could be regard more important .

Furthermore, or for the sake of argument, one should suppose Orisa Nla a perfect candidate haven been given the more delicate assignment of moulding humankind. For me, after already taking into account the unique importance of one’s-self, Orisa Nla is probably the most important Orisa to our dimension.

Arguably undisputed is the impact in modern anything* are the works the Greeks eventually gave to us.

However, it is generally accepted that the Greeks themselves would seldom take credit for other peoples works but this was the creativity of the modern day commentators and nothing more.


We are well aware of the genius of Imhotep and a host of royals that had much of their works literally classified. This is not illegal or can really be frown upon in as much as the true authors are rightfully accredited; this isn't the case.


Yet live goes on, they say know the truth and you are instantly set free from falsity.

The truth is that much of what we enjoy in our world today has roots well rooted in Africa. One must not only share the credit but strive to re-live it

Repeté

I dont think one should discard the notion of demons as that would be like suggesting that humanity doesnt exist.

It is us humans that are the good and evil out here/there (that's not to say other creatures do or do not exist in our or other dimensions)

We are the best and the worst of God's creation and i hardly think that any creature under the Sun can match our record. So coming to think about it, if angels and demons really exist, not only would they be insignificant, we would be able to match and surpass anything they would have to offer (especially in the evil and wickedness sector)

Where the discourse remains is the fantasy stories of angel & demons; that they are opposites of one another!?

The worst delusion is that of lucifer and satan it is a discourse into the nonsensicals. The inability to take responsibility for ones action is that which gave birth to such notion.

Question!

Have you come across the biblical or quaranic depiction/description of a tanned skin angel (an angel in the skin of a black man/woman)

If biblical angels are that real, dont you think they would take the form of the first people on earth?

Food for thought!

The truth be told, both Oyedepo and Adeboye are NEVER criminals (thats NOT to say they wouldnt be found guilty of criminality outside of Nigerian LAW) but are just extreme smart guys that have found an inexpensive avenue to make ends meet. Its what i would term as 'opportunist'; as far as i know, neither of these gurus have broken any of the "laws of the land".

I'm pretty sure that the Security Services are always on the "look out" to pounce on individuals that veer across the very thin line.

We can only stand on the side grumbling against psychological exploitation; much of the blame goes to the victims even if most are ignorant of their predicament.

Its a moral obligation to untie the minds of the innocent bye-standers that out of NO fault of their own get sucked into this cruel cycle.

amor4ce:
Would you care to let us know how you arrived at the impossibility of the migration?
Can you provide us with a list of Ile-Ife kings and/or notable residents since 4,000BC?
Are you saying that Ife has had only 50 Oonis (Kings) since 9500 BCE?

Amujale: In a sense, we are talking of periods that depict the times before records began; and the chronology of the Ooni's is known to a particular percentage of accuracy because history makes mention of those that are of greater significance. More importantly, the dates that are matched against the kings of Ife are completely and utterly inaccurate.

amor4ce:
Are you saying that what the people of Eredo believe about Sungbo is impossible, that the queen did not return to that site with all her people (Yoruba?)?
Yoruba oral history includes the account of an extraordinary flood - What would have happened to human settlements and their locations before, during and after the flood?

What i'm saying is that which has already been said and proven to be accurate; the Yoruboid communities pre-dates ancient Egypt therefore the story of the returning Queen only supports the TRUTH of the matter, one can only return to a place that already exists.

tpia@:
it wasnt that far back.

the fatimid dynasty in egypt might be worth looking into but the info on wiki is a bit hard to follow.

The fatmid dynasty isnt that far back, Arabs and Arabia was born out of the African continent and Her personnel; however, we arent talking about 1000's after the common era,  but before the common era; before either Islam or Christianity existed; before Europe or Asian population existed; before there were communities outside of the African continent.

All this knowlegde is in the public domain you just need to go and aquire it, unless you are arguing that there was never a time when the people of the world were concentrated in the Affrican Super continent.

amor4ce:
We are not denying that humans emerged from Africa. What we are however contesting is that the Yoruba migrated from the region of the Levant or thereabout to this part of West Africa. If you still refuse to acknowledge that, what then would you say about the migration of the Lemba and the Ijebu peoples?

Has it not been mentioned in the recent past that the present Ile-Ife isn't the original one? perhaps the eight

Can you provide us with a list of Ile-Ife kings and/or notable residents since 4,000BC?

The first city in the world is said to be Eridu in the land of the Sumerians; where was Ile-Ife then?

Can you explain the reason for the name of the town called Oke Eri? What is the major achievement associated with Sungbo (Eredo)?

I'm not going to go into the semantics of either Lemba or Mobalufon's connection with the Ijebu's but will say this; there's more to Semitics than meets the Unclad eye (would like for you to make an Africanism research into this area); the notion that Obanta migrated from Wadai is as accurate as the supposed migration of Odua from Mecca, both are just simply impossible; out-rightly inaccurate and completely unfit for purpose.

Obanita couldn't have migrated from Egypt because the ancient Egyptian community didn't even exist during the time depicted. Prior to the first Egyptian Dynastic period, most of the communities in the Yoruboid, Edoid and Igboid communities were already established civilizations and or authorities.

In a sense, we are talking of periods that depict the times before records began; and the chronology of the Ooni's is known to a particular percentage of accuracy because history makes mention of those that are of greater significance. More importantly, the dates that are matched against the kings of Ife are completely and utterly inaccurate.

When Oranmiyan was King of Ile-Ife, ancient Egypt wasn't even a dream in the mind of mankind never-mind an after thought. The argument is which part of the South of the Sahara first came into existence, Ethiopia?, Nigeria?, Chad?, Ghana?, Niger? e.t.c take your pick


Eridu is the earliest city in mesopotamia, and mesopotamia was born out of the Ubaid period (6500 to 3800 BCE); lets put this into its proper perspective, the Pre-dynastic periods of ancient Egypt begins in periods 9500 BCE and we already aware that the communities of Southern Nigeria and elsewhere not only predates this but were among those that provided influence towards the making and building of the nation.

Therefore, the entire lists of cities in the regions of the Yoruboid, Edoid and Igboid communities predate Eridu in years that would amount to hundreds of thousands of years. The fact that much of the literary proof has been destroyed, stolen and or confiscated doesn't mean we still cannot prove this beyond reasonable doubt.

We have so much material, evidence and or proof that points towards these simple truths. Many myths have been disproved, debunked and proved wrong with regards to African history and most had to do with the commentary of Eurocentric and Asiatic writers.

We have a chronology of flow in human personnel moving from Africa towards Asia, Europe and Americas during periods that depict an era whereby the only ethnicity on the entire planet were that of black Africans. We are able to prove that Arabs came out of Africa; the period they were supposed to have migrated; their ethnicity at the time and their state of mind and much more. . .

We are also aware of the science of genetics that supports the idea that the black genes is more or less point zero; a yard stick to every other human genetic make-up. Are aware of the periods whereby Africans inhabitted the area we know to be Europe and much more. . .

@Anoymous6, Brazil and Chile launched a legal campaign to recover their own local artifacts and NOT those coming out of Nigeria.

I think we need to take a leaf from Brazil's book; taking the thieves to court.

We are to summon all the museums that hold all our artefacts to the world court.

However, there's strong evidence to suggest that many of us are NOT bothered about where these iconic works end-up.

Brazil and Chile spent a great deal of time, intellect and money in a bid to aquire their long lost and confiscated artefacts.

Eventhough, the majority of re-possession was awarded by the world court, those that had been detached from state institutions were offered amounts that simply couldnt be refused.

tpia@:
Not getting your point but the akassa in nigeria (founded around the 17th century perhaps) was preceded by the akassa in morocco.

Lagos portugal preceded lagos nigeria.

what i mean is a simple truth; the communities of Ile-Ife like many of its relative Nigerian counterparts were in existence hundred of thousands of years before anything out of either Europe or Asia.

This is to say that people of Eko had been thriving as a community thousands of years before the country of Portugal ever existed.

Humanity began in Africa and continued to populate the rest of the world.

Negro_Ntns:
Expand your reasonig my friend.  Ile-Ife could have been the recreation in Nigeria of a pre-existed one in the East. 

Birmingham, Alabama is a recreation for the one in England.  Cambridge, Massachussetts is a recreation, Kentucky is a recreation. 

In fact, Lagos in Nigeria is a recreation for the one in Portugal.

tpia@:
the akassa in southsouth was also named for an akassa somewhere in morocco which was an old portuguese fort.

amor4ce:
Effurun - Ephron?
Orisha -  Orissa (in India)?

Amujale, isn't snow mentioned in the Ifa literary corpus? If so, how come?

All the above observations are obviously founded however, the accurate connection is often misconstrued to a great extent.

Its simple, which community do you think existed first:

The Asian contraption of Ile-Ife or the Nigerian Canon?

Birmingham Alabama or the English Canon?

Akassa Morrocco or the comunity in the Nigerian Canon

India or Ile-Ife in Nigeria?

The answers to all the above is pretty obvious to both disciplines of anthropology and archaeology.

Furthermore, the Corpus does indeed make mention of ice and snow, however it is my understanding that the majority of the reference was to the ice caps and or ice bergs. Even the specific reference to snow is in line with the acknowledgement of the diversity in Earth's climate and rather than contradict, goes a long way to validate the common knowledge that suggest human existence originates in the African continent.

Yoruba civilization started in Ife and trickled outwards towards the North of the continent; those who keep referring to Afro-Asia are misinformed because during the infancy stages of the Ife empire, Asia was without habitats. There was simply no communities in these areas during these times; the period depicts the era whereby even ancient Egypt hadn't been created.

Negro_Ntns: Yoruba was a civilization that predated Ife. Many of you are thinking Yoruba started in Ife. No, Yoruba settled in Ife! It's civilization became an old world order that had to yield for a new one to begin, the clash resulted in the exodus out of AfroAsia. Ifa could not have lasted as long it has in the course of human timeline in which it could easily have been wiped out with everything else that were successfully erased from our consciousness unless there was some divine intervention to preserve it for humanity. It is not an act of Yoruba prowess or know-how that Ifa has remained a world knowledge. Similarly, all these antiques of our past glory will find their own voice to re-establish the severed connection. It will take a white man telling it before you all come into agreement and nod your heads to these truths.

Please, you are completely off the mark; Yoruba civilization is Ife civilization and vice-versa; NO influence occurred outside of the Yoruba kingdom. Mainly because there was no other communities to influence or be influenced by outside of the Western Africa area. Every shred of evidence states this to be the case.

Furthermore, archeologist and anthropologist all agree Ife and its indigenous communities predates anything outside of the African continent.

Therefore, your story of exodus is unrealistic and simply could NOT have happened.

mabell:
generational curses exist.

Says who? And in what context is this phenomenon suppose to exist?

The first super trade post was the River Niger

Rgp92:
Dont every use the word sub sahara. Use South of Sahara or west Africa instead.

point taken

Rgp92:
We should stop all this nonsense, Yoruba is an Africa Civilization, we're not proto semetic stop it already. Semetic is not a good thing

Would be glad to see you refuting this with substantive evidence. This is NOT a fallacy but years of research. Moreover, what is your notion of semetic?

Negro_Ntns:
Yorubas had a civilization but Ife did not.

I'm not going to go into the semantics but would point out that every single Yoruba civilisations owes its legacy to Ife, hence the term Ife civilisation(s)

Negro_Ntns:
As it applies to humans, what is a race?   To me, race is a rhythym.  Different race of people have different rhythymic response to nature elements.

Race is a discourse in nonsense. All people who discuss race as if it is a self evident reality - must eventually ground their own discourse down into nonsense.

For clarity:

Geneticists do indeed claim that races do not exist.

Spencer Wells: Biologically race has no meaning.

CL Brace: "African entails Black, but Black does not entail African".

Geneticists do indeed claim that skin color is not racial.

Jablonski: Skin color is of no value in assessing the phylogenetic relationships between human groups

They do *not* claim that skin color is not genetic.

Ethnicity yes, race NO

[quote ]Oramiyan was a title.
[quote][/quote]This is NOT necessarily true.

Also would like to emphasize the fact that people of Western Africa preceeded ancient Egypt in terms of thousands of years, hence, much of the influence we detected between both cultures is said to have moved upwards and NOT downwards.

Delusions, thats what these are; delusions that are easily cured by way of being truthful to ones self. Most of us are like bad victims of a dupe that deliberately refuses to admit to ourselves that we have been duped and instead choose to exacerbate issues by trying to expose these same afflictions to our immediate community. Eventhough many of us might merely be ignorant of much of the reality of things, this cease to be the case when we begin to develop an apetite for anysort of arguement in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary.

Think of it this way:

What has our belief in Jesus or any other foreign ICON ever really done to improve our immediate community?

Why is it that the same community that pitched to us this philosophy refuted it vigourously whilst protecting their own culture and traditions?

What is tradition?

What is culture?

Where have you ever heard of a people trying to demonize their own culture?

Why is either culture or tradition important?

Why is either culture or tradition not important?

What has culture and tradition ever really done to improve our immediate community?

Who are you?

Who am I?

What is the make-up of a person?

What makes a righteous person?

In my opinion, we seem to have lost the focus of the real things that ought to matter in our lives and are trapped in a somewhat narrow-mindset.

Instead of bringing our dreams into fruition we instead waste time in a fruitless attempt to transpose reality into fiction.

Nobody is doubting our grasp of literature and or literacy; there's no competition to that effect. The problem is that we are wasting our mental faculties chasing rainbows (as it were) when there's much important work to be done. You claim to know God yet you cannot determine the difference between what is good for YOU and that which is NOT.

STOP AND THINK

If it is possible for everyone to come back into this world for a second time, i would gladly choose my present vessel, would you?

Wake-up!

If you want to spend your entire life living on moonlight stories then you can be my guest, but the TRUTH is glaring for all to see. You arguement is based on sexed-up literature that tells you to believe that you are cursed

If ever there was a self-inflicting weapon in the hands of ones enemy, the bible and the quaran has to rank up as the greatest ever fashioned.

The problem is even more drastic than first thought, you are quoting from foreign text in an attempt to argue your own demise

STOP AND THINK

Drop your piping hot stone, its time to move on.

All the stories and commentaries about Yoruba having any significant ancestral lineage from anywhere outside of Western Africa is far fetched at the least and simply impossible to be frank.

Its simple, a region can NOT influence another if it wasnt even in existence. The South of the Sahara is documented as being the cradle of humanity and thousands of years and scores of civilisations passed before the mass migration to populate the rest of the world ensued; therefore neither Israel nor Mecca could have had any sort of influence on the infancy stages of Ife because of a simple technicality; they were both unpopulated regions during this particular period in time.

The same can be said about NOK (as in that the NOK culture was influenced by Ife and NOT the other way around), the truth is that much of the present Nigerian demography preceeds any human activity coming out of either Europe or Asia land mass for the simple reason that we were responsible for its population due migration and mutation(sic)[whichever came first]

emmatok: Some words in the Yoruban vocabulary echo the words used in Egypt in predynastic times and in the early dynastic periods. Some Egyptian gods of this period have strong identities with Yoruban deities. For instance, gods such as Adumu (Adumu) Hepi (Ipi) Ausar (Ausa), Horise (Orise), and Sámi (Sámi) Nam (Inama) are present in Yoruba. All these gods existed in the pre-dynastic and early dynastic periods of Egypt. TODAY, AMONG THE ITSEKIRI-YORUBAS ,THESE GODS CAN STILL BE PHYSICALLY SEEN, AT LEAST, ONCE A YEAR! Neighbouring peoples are already initiated into the various gods systems and beliefs in yorubaland.the agban ancestral worship was first organized in Urhoboland during the funeral ceremony of chief Ayomanor of Sapele (1949). The Ipi system was first organized in Urhoboland in March 11, 2005,


EGYPT YORUBA
1. Wu (rise) Wu (rise)
2. Ausa (Osiris, father of the gods) Ausa (father)
3. Ere (python/ Serpent) Ere (Python / Serpent)
4. Horise (a great god) Orise (a great god)
5. Sen (group of worshippers) Sen ( to worship)
6. Ged (to chant0 Igede (a chant)
7. Ta (sell / offer) Ta (sell/offer)
8. Sueg (a fool) Suegbe (a fool)
9. On ( living person) One ( living person)
10. Kum (a club) Kumo( a club)
11. Enru (fear / terrible) Eru (fear / terrible
12. Kun / qun (brave man) Ekun (title of a brave man)
13. Win (to be) Wino (to be)
14. Odonit (festival) Odon (festival)
15. Ma or mi (to breath) Mi. (to breathe)
16. Tebu (a town) Tebu (a town)
17. Adumu (a water god) Adumu (a water god)
18. Khu (to kill) Ku (die)
19. Rekha (knowledge} Larikha (knowledge)
20 Hika (evil) Ika (evil)
21 Mhebi (humble) Mebi, humble to ones family
22 Sata (perfect) Santan (perfect)
23 Unas (lake of fire) Una (fire)
24 Tan (complete) Tan (complete)
25 Beru (force of emotion) Beru (fear)
26 Em (smell) Emi (smell)
27 Pa (open) Pa (break open)
28 Bi (to become) Bi (to give birth, to become)
29 Hepi (a water god) Ipi (a water god)
30 Sami (water god) Sami (a water god)
31 Osiri (a water god) Oshiri (a water god)
32 Heqet – Re (frog deity) Ekere (the frog)
33 Feh (to go away) Feh (to blow away)
34 Kot (build) Ko (build)
35 Kot (boat) Oko (boat)
36 Omi (water) Omi (water)
37 Ra (time) Ira (time)
38 Oni (title of Osiris) Oni (title of the king of Ife)
39 Budo (dwelling place) Budo (dwelling place)
40 Dudu (black image of Osiris) Dudu (black person)
41 Un (living person) Una (living person)
42 Ra (possess) Ra (possess/buy)
43 Beka (pray/confess) Be or ka (to pray or confess)
44 Po (many) Po (many/cheap)
45 Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo (head) (Ijebu)
46 Min (a god) Emin (spirit)
47 Ash (invocation) Ashe (invocation)
48 Aru (mouth) Arun (mouth ) Ilaje
49 Do (river) Odo (river)
50 Do (settlement) Udo (settlement)
51 Shekiri (water god) Shekiri (a water god)
52 Bu (a place) Bu ,a place
53 Khepara (beetle Akpakara (beetle)
54 No (a water god Eno (a water god)
55 Ra -Shu (light after darkness Uran-shu (the light of the moon
56 Run-ka (spirit name) Oruko (name)
57 Deb/dib to pierce Dibi (to pierce)
58 Maat (goddess of justice Mate (goddess of justice)
59 Aru (rise) Ru (rise up)
60 Fa (carry) Fa (pull)
61 Kaf (pluck) Ka (pluck)
62 Bu bi (evil place) Bubi (evil place)
63 In- n (negation In-n (negation)
64 Iset (a water god) Ise (a water god)
65 Shabu (watcher) Ashonbo (watcher)
66 Semati (door keeper) Sema (lock/shut the door)
67 Khenti amenti (big words of Osiris Yenti – yenti (big, very big)
68 Ma (to know) Ma (to know)
69 Bebi, a son of osiris) Ube, a god
70 Tchatcha chief (they examined the death to see if they tricked tsatsa (a game of tricks, gambling )
71 Ren( animal foot) Ren (to walk)
72 Ka (rest) Ka (rest/tired)
73 Mu (water) Mu (drink water)
74 Abi (against) Ubi (against / impediment)
75 Reti (to beseech) Retin (to listen)
76 Hir (praise) Yiri (praise)
77 Ta(spread out) Ta (spread out)
78 Kurud (round) Kurudu (round)
79 Ak – male Ako (male)
80 Se – to create Se (to create)
81 Hoo (rejoice) Yo (rejoice)
82 Kamwr (black) Kuru (extremely black
83 Omitjener (deep water) Omijen (deep water)
84 Nen, the primeval water mother) Nene (mother
85 Ta (land) Ita (land junction)
86 Horiwo (head) Oriwo (head)
87 Ro (talk) Ro (to think)
88 Kurubu (round) Kurubu (deep and round)
89 Penka (divide) Kpen (divide)
90 Ma-su (to mould) Ma or su (to mould)
91 Osa (time) Osa (time)
92 Osa (tide) Osa ( tide)
93 Fare (wrap) Fari (wrap)
94 Kom (complete) Kon (complete)
95 Edjo (cobra) Edjo (cobra)
96 Didi (red fruit) Diden (red)
97 Ba (soul) Oba (king) soul of a people
98 Ke (hill) Oke( hill
99 Anubis (evil deity) Onubi (evil person)
100 Kan (one: Middle Egyptian) Okan one)
101 Nam (water god) Inama (water god)

The words above are used to show that most Yoruban words are identical to the ancient Egyptian

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2139

All the evidence shows that civilisation moved up the Nile and NOT downwards, this is to say that Egypt didnt influence Ife; however, Ife were amongst the many major South of Sahara civilisations that was to provide substantive influence on Ancient Egypt.

Gbam!

The notion of generational curse as stipulated in this specific context is preposterous. None of us are paying for what our ancestors have done because our ancestors were not bad people. This is to say that if we are truly paying for the deeds of our ancestors then this would be very much received with open arms.

Obviously such is NOT the case, instead of wasting our faculty trying to brainstorm on such falasies we would be better off diverting our resources to making our world a better place for us and the forth coming generation.

Contrary to OP's fears, our ancestors were saint like, we continue to deceive ourselves in the face of the truth. We would do well to be half illustrous as they were, we need to STOP trading our inheritance for mere fantasy; its about time we stand up and be counted.

Those that infer that they are susceptible to failure are alone in such understanding and should quickly go and seek counseling; the world we live in does not reward effortlessness; even those that put in the hours arent assured success nevermind those that refuse to massage their own God given imagination.

What we all gain pleasure in is chiping in our fair share, drip drop, drip drop slow and steadily creates a body of water. Its NOT all about making millions (although that's good benchmark); its important that we continue to follow-up on the legacy of our ancestors.

Its NOT sufficient to keep looking over our shoulders in aspiration of feral philosophies and customs when we have in our inheritance the tools to solve any problem under the Sun; the human brain.

God so loved human kind and gave to us our mobile faculty such that we may call upon in times of both joy and sorrow; problems and solvabilities.

Many of us spend our live time negotiating hypnotic text and are too proud to tell ourselves the truth. When you come across a find in the form of a N1 coin and attempt to pick it up and get burnt normally our brain will tell us to drop it as due stimilus.

Drop your piping hot coin its time to move-on.

BCuZiMBlaCk:
One question, who will back them?

The people of Iran, Russia and maybe even China

Norman Lewis reveals the sinister method a group of missionaries (ex cathedra) employ in a case of what can only be described as PURE EVIL.

The Missionaries - god Against The Indians by Norman Lewis


There was an Indian community in the Amazon region called Panare that missionaries tried allsorts of ways to convert them to christianity but failed. The reason was simple, the philosophy behind christianity depends on some basic pricinples that which implemented could stupify their audience:

* Sin
* Guilt
* Punishment
* Redemption/Salvation

But they had a problem, Panare linguistics doesnt have words that are equivalent to the above because they were content the way they lived; all the stories of that the bible could offer were received as mere entertainment. So, the missionaries forged a plan; they would introduce these principles into the community themselves. The deduction was that before the Indians could be made to accept repentance and salvation one had to give them something to feel guilty about.

In excess of a thousand coupies of the new testament was printed to say that the Panare killed Jesus, so now anywhere where the Romans were supposed to have featured, the Panare's were substituted.

It seems it was a common practice among the Christian missionaries. It is no wonder their so-called "holy" book is a FRAUD. An immitation of various philosophies (including those of African origin) in every sense that is, the content are NOT original, and the motives behind its publication is drastic given the draconian mind games with which the cult of christianity operates.

http://www.amazon.ca/Missionaries-God-Against-Indians/dp/0070376131

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kodewrita:
it is foreign-born or foreign-resident emigres like this poster quoted here who are part of the problem in africa. Instead of fighting for change, these numsku.lls are busy trying to prop up the old order that has been holding africa back. Libyans suffered 42 years before rising, that doesnt mean they ever wanted the situation to continue, they just didnt know how to go about it.

Lenu e!  look, oponu afofun if you havent good anything sensible to say then dont bother. What i refer to is that which allows for crazed people like you to start crying blue-murder for nothing in particular. Again i asked you, do you see people on the streets crying out that they need help? Or i you just a heartless leech, not ready to fight for your own course but would like to see other people around you suffering.
Let me ask you a simple question; can you tell us what system of government is in Cameroon atm?

In your eyes all our leaders are tyrants, but this couldnt be further from the truth; i'm not here to defend Biya parse but pointing out a simple
technicality. Your arguement that because he's been in office for very long is baseless if the system of government allows for such. Its called rule of law; last i checked democracy is a political system; this implies that there are others. Even democracy  has variables.

If China was an Africa country, people like you would NOT have let for progress with your whinning about nothing in particular. what ever works for someone is the best for that person FULLSTOP

Someone reading your post will think you know what your talking about but wont know that you're merely suffering from the after effects of propaganda; you'll get the real picture all you need to do is stop taking CNN TO SERIOUSLY

BootyOnMe:
Not so fast!
The question is: What are you fighting for? Who is the enemy?
Answer: NOTHING/NONE!

I can only fight for Nigeria if others invade Nigeria.
Fighting amongst Nigerians means only one thing.
We have sell-outs in our midst.
Useless sacrifice!
May history not repeat itself. Amen.
Till then, na siddon look I dey do.
The affairs of Nigeria and Nigerians have absolutely no bearing on my life.
Thank MY GOD!

In refused to be used by ethnicist to forster any political/diabolic agenda.

To each his or her own!

Btw, please. . . .add a 5th poll option.

NO! IN OR OUT OF NIGERIA. . . . .NOT INTERESTED IN BIAFRA REVISITED!

If the fight is a genuine uprising against corruption and mismanagement and all legal avenues have been exhausted believe you me will be on the first available . . .

Sun of god:
Haiti has been a cursed nation throughout its existence.
[b]Exactly two hundred years ago, Haitian slaves overthrew their French masters -- the first successful national slave revolt in history. What Spartacus dreamed of doing, the Haitian slaves actually accomplished. It was a tremendous achievement -- and the white West has never forgiven them for it
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In order to win international recognition for their new country, Haiti was forced to pay "reparations" to the slaveowners - a crushing burden of debt they were still paying off at the end of the 19th century. The United States, which refused to recognize the country for more than 60 years, invaded Haiti in 1915, primarily to open it up to "foreign ownership of local concerns." After 19 years of occupation, the Americans backed a series of bloodthirsty dictatorships to protect these "foreign owners." And still it goes on.

You think Haiti is cursed; explain? Oh! you mean they are experiencing man made disasters and tribulations because of their acomplishment during the holocausts amounts to a curse?

The only people that are cursed are Eurocentrics, the hex of  irreversable decline is put upon them until they put an end to all their bad deeds, if they werent before, NOW they definately are.

This NOT a film-trick, the people of Haiti are hated by nearly everybody and this is for NO good reason. Instead of us to be hailing them we are compounding their issues. But this has cease to be the case as of text, all the people of Haiti and the property they possess have been freed from all man/woman concuted hexes, are as of this very moment IMMUNE with regards to psychological recoil and or trauma. . .

The study into this metal is important because of its presence elsewhere and NOT because we need to defend ourselves against the SUN; we know those that we need to defend ourselves from and the SUN is definately NOT one of them.

What is the interest in solar energy like; shoudnt this be a priority?

asmith1617:
Another interesting tidbit.  It seems that Iridium may be one of three "space metals".  Ikkidium and Virenium are the other two.

http://ricepullingcoperiridium..com/2011/07/facts-about-1616-copper-iridium-coin.html

Facts about the 1616 Copper Iridium Coin
In 1603 AD, East India Company was formed in India, with establishments in various places, with head office in England. The company started minting coins to do business according to its new system.

In the year 1616 AD, there was a Grahakutami (A complete solar eclipse) which lasted for more than 5 hours in India. The Britishers, with the help of Indian Rishis minted Copper coins with Copper Iridium metal in assorted weights and sizes. The coins were hand made.

Only 16 pieces of the coins were made totally. In order to preserve the precious lebbos, the Rishis engraved the currency denomination prevalent on one side and the nine planets on the other side. Iridium Lebbo coins are also called Navagraha Lebbos. Lebbo in Greek means sun guard. The coins have the provision to be charged when required. The special range of powers of the coins can be activated by charging the coin on the three pin points, each having different functions. After charging the coin with MRC 87 chemicals, a magnetic attraction of carbohydrate contents is generated on the coin.

Sun (Surya), Moon (Chandra), Mars (Mangla), Mercury (Budha), Neptune (Guru), Jupiter (Sugra), Saturn (Sani), Uranus (Ragu) and Venus (Kethu) are the planets engraved on the coin and are interconnected with tiny veins, all leading to the charging point.

It is said that, millions of years ago, fragments of sun and other planets might have fallen on earth, particularly in South India sub continent. It is also said that the gurus had gone to all the planets to collect the metal from each planet. The material from other planets that reached earth thus is used to imprint the corresponding planet on the coin.

Our ancestors made the metal classification ‘space metals’. Metallurgists have discovered and included three metals under this group, Ikkidium, Iridium and Virenium. These metals were heavily priced in the 16th century and Rishis hand made the lebbo coins using the Iridium.

In 1616 The British East India Company had presented one 200 gram Iridium Lebbo coin to King Leo of Hong Kong. Later in 1871, it was auctioned for 200 Billion dollars in the U.S.A. International exhibition.

Interesting! atomic number= 77; atomic mass=192.217; melting point=2410.0 °C ; 4527.0 °C; Density @ 293Kelvin =22.5 g/cm3

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