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Eventhough we've already broken down the immure concoction of the term Idol worship in the context of these foreign extremist religions, and the fact that its nonsensical and has no meaning outside of the context of the Abrahamic religions, Culture and Tradition is NOT idol worship.

As a matter of fact, based on the toxicity of these foreign extremist religions, and perhaps more importantly based on their own definition, they themselves are the ones practising Idol worshiping.

KLand:
You are obviously refering to another Christianity, not the one I practice.

Christianity is a fake and malicious ideology.

KLand:
I'm talking about having a personal relationship with God through accepting Jesus Christ by faith as your personal Lord and Saviour. That's the core of the gospel.

Perhaps you didnt get the main point.

Jesus is a fictitious character.

Furthermore, should anyone adopt a God who is not in the person's own image; once a person embraces doctrine that doesnt teach that person to love that person's own kind above any other people, when one's oppressor and saviour; one's God and enslaver are one and the same, such a person becomes the principal agent in the person's own destruction.

Amujale:
For me, to truly get understanding African history, certain conditions are to hold; one is to disregard rhetoric, hear say and all other anti-African discourse with regards to history.

Furthermore, to regard African history as genuine, If it isn’t written, deliberated-upon or judged by Africans to be correct and accurate beyond reasonable doubt, such writings that fit into these category must, for now, simply be deemed inadmissible.

That is to say, in a sense, most of the present Eurocentric and Asian discourse on African history will be deemed to be false and invalid.

The only true African history is that which is derived by an African(s), by default all other versions are false.

The discourse on European history is primarily exclusive to European writers.

The discourse on Asia’s history is primarily exclusive to Asian writers.

The discourse on Africa’s history is primarily badly concocted by European and Asian writers. This is where all of us (you and I) come in and repair the damage for the benefit of the next generations and our own overstanding.

Perhaps another good book to read is “The Destruction of Black Civilisation” by Chancellor Williams

Olu317:
Let us believe your story above but where did they migrated from else where in Africa.

Mind you, the place of creation js actually around Euphrates and Tigris river.

That is nonsense.

Everyone who is anyone in academia knows that our ancestors migrated from Africa to populate the rest of the world.

Let me just point out to you that this thread isn’t concerned with foreign extremists ideologies.

You can take your false narratives elsewhere.

According to all the evidence, Humanity begins in Africa.

That isn’t merely an opinion but a matter of fact.

Olu317:
Sorry , I have seen what you posted which has one of Yoruba's Artifacts, which are moulded/ constructed around 11/12/13 centuries. So, no evidence as far as I am concerned on world scene on Africa history.

You probably didn’t read these parts well.

Amujale:
Writing

Africans invented the concept of literacy.

According to Dr. Clyde Winters in his book The Ancient Black Civilizations of Asia, the oldest known form of writing developed between 5000 and 3000 BCE in the regions 'South of the Sahara', Africa; especially West Africa.

These writing system has come to be known as Proto-Saharan.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/1206560.Clyde_Winters

Olu317:
There is nothing as such as studying African history independently because you're just not ready to read the truth.

Ethiopia is where ?

Morroco is where ?

Anyone who studies African history knows that both Ethiopia and Morrocco are in Africa.

Yet, the last time i checked, Morroco has been occupied by foreign communities far back as periods Before The Common Era leading into the first century CE.

That is to say, the Nubian communities that existed in the region of Morroco prior to Mzungu invasion, all migrated from elsewhere on the continent.

How else could the 'Out of Africa' experience have occured?

Ethiopia on the other hand is amomgst the communities who help create the Nile valley civilisation, but would later get indoctrinated into the same foreign extremist religions that exist there today.

Yet, this is strictly concerning the Yoruba and other Nigerians presence in the Nile Valley.

Olu317:
So how is the migration from West to North Africa? ...

Due to the fact that:

1) Civilisation moved down the Nile.

2) Communities have been in existence in Eastern, Southern and West Africa prior to our migration to the Northern region of the continent.

For more information follow the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

Olu317:
...even Israel.

Israel only began to exist as of 14th May 1948.

There's no evidence in world history that has a place called Israel anywhere on planet Earth prior to the above date.

Assuming you have such evidence, kindly submit it here.

Olu317:
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Which time amongst the era Egypt was invaded that Yoruba ever lived in Nile River ?

According to the historical evidence that's dated around 5,000 BCE, these events occured during the pre-colonial era.

The Mzungu first invasion into Egypt was around 800 BCE.

Olu317:
Well, the West Africa has no human fossil that's older than Morocco, Ethiopia...

These are the reasons you ought to study African history and bin the fake narratives of these foreign extremist religions.

KLand:
You are obviously refering to another Christianity, not the one I practice.

Christianity was manufactured by the Romans in the first century.

Assuming there's another kind of Christianity, you mind sharing the origins of that one.

budaatum:
Nowhere have you "proven" your "facts"

Those are proven facts, doesnt amount to them being my material.

Meaning that they have been proven to be factual by other people.

Assuming you find it hard to agree with anything said here, simply research and if you find any evidence to the contrary present that here.

I started by saying Trump has used his presidential power to pardon more African Americans and when you disagreed, i presented the evidence.

A different contributor talked about the fact that Hillary has been found to be involved in nefarious activities, and i responded to that post by saying. "Teach"

You asked for proof, and i said you might want to ask Bill Gates and WHO.

Meaning that you should investigate The Bill Gates Foundation and WHO.

Below is a White House petition that was signed by over half a million people.

budaatum:
I respect you far more than this suggests I should. Do let me know if I need to adjust myself.

I respect you as well.

WHO and Bill Gates are bio terrorists.

Everyone knows that.

The Clinton Foundation partners with both of them.

Btw, all the organisations below are run by members or affliates to the "Deep State": UN, WHO, World Bank, IMF, Mellon, Gates e.t.c

budaatum:
Please show where Hillary called for "THE KILLING OF UNBORN CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD".

You'll probably need to ask Bill Gates and his cronies.

The Clinton Foundation partners with the Bill Gates Foundation and WHO.

budaatum:
What you posted are assertions, and not facts!

The only person using mere assertions is you.

If you believe they arent facts then refute them and lets see.

Below are proven facts.

Amujale:
Before the global lockdown, he owned the best stats.

ℹThe highest employment rate.

ℹThe lowest poverty rate.

ℹThe highest job retention rate.

ℹThe quickest to respond to police brutality using his presidential authority.

ℹThe president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison.
Its important to note that the pardon "is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime" and "is not a sign of vindication and does not connote or establish innocence."

One of his February 18 2020 pardon was for Angela Stanton who happens to now be running for election into US congress.

budaatum:
That is not how this works, Amujale! For you to claim "a president is best", you must have some evidence, unless you were just asserting without evidence.

Please provide evidence that made you conclude that President Trump pardoned more African Americans than say, Obama.

You quote my post but forgot to read the content properly.

The proof was staring you in the face.

budaatum:
It is your distaste for believing without evidence that makes me respect you, Amujale. buda must see with buda's own eyes before buda believes.

For the umpteenth time, please provide the evidence for your "facts" so I can see for myself and learn please instead of asking me to believe you like I'm some brainless individual and you are white man brainwashing me with assertions!

Amujale:
Before the global lockdown, he owned the best stats.

ℹThe highest employment rate.

ℹThe lowest poverty rate.

ℹThe highest job retention rate.

ℹThe quickest to respond to police brutality using his presidential authority.

ℹThe president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison.
Its important to note that the pardon "is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime" and "is not a sign of vindication and does not connote or establish innocence."

One of his February 18 2020 pardon was for Angela Stanton who happens to now be running for election into US congress.

I deal in facts.

IJOBA2:
BECAUSE HES A PRO-LIFE, UNLIKE KILLARY WHO CALLED FOR THE KILLING OF UNBORN CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD

Teach!

budaatum:
...except President Obama..

Obama?

Who is that?

Oh! I remember the puppet that occupied the white house when Libya got turned into a death spot.

Where Ghadaffi's government got toppled.

There's a slavetrade in Libya today.

The Obama presidency did nothing to change the status quo.

The only thing that that puppet did was to divert the rights that our parents fought tooth and nail for and divert them into the LGBT community.

Obama wasnt anything special for the African American community. He was a dream president for non-black.

More AA's got killed by cop brutality during his tenure than any president in US history.

Dont get me started about Obama.

budaatum:
When a person says, "best president", and "The president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison", a 'comparison of Presidents is implied, and it would not be odd for a reasonable person to make such comparisons between the president you did mention and the immediate past president, unless your claim is now, "best president except President Obama"!

Amujale:
Trump is currently one of the best presidents for the African American community that they have ever had.

That is based on facts.

Trump is the best president that the African American community has ever had, for the numerous reasons stated earlier.

Amujale:
Trump is currently one of the best presidents for the African American community that they have ever had.

That is based on facts.

Trump is the best president that the African American community has ever had.

budaatum:
Yes, I am saying "Trump hasn't pardoned the most African Americans...

Here are list of the African Americans that has received a presidential pardon from the Trump presidency.

Angela Stanton
Ariel Freidler
Jack Johnson
John Bubala
Chalmer Lee Williams

Out of a current 35 in total; at a rate of 14%.

Show me the evidence of any former president that surpasses that.

budaatum:
Yes, I am saying "Trump hasn't pardoned the most African Americans in his first term". (The struckout bit is an irrelevant addition and implies a comparison of first terms which was never made in your initial statement!)

Please provide uninflated figures for those pardoned by Obama and Trump, since you must have them to make the claim you made.

I never mentioned anything about Obama.

Its you who wants to make it about Trump and Obama.

Amujale:
Trump is currently one of the best presidents for the African American community that they have ever had.

Amujale:
Before the global lockdown, he owned the best stats.

ℹThe highest employment rate.

ℹThe lowest poverty rate.

ℹThe highest job retention rate.

ℹThe quickest to respond to police brutality using his presidential authority.

ℹThe president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison.
Its important to note that the pardon "is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime" and "is not a sign of vindication and does not connote or establish innocence."

One of his February 18 2020 pardon was for Angela Stanton who happens to now be running for election into US congress.

Where did you see any mention of Obama?

budaatum:
That's what the article I posted says! But it referred to the claim of "abuse of power" alledged for the number of people pardoned, and not whether the actual figures were false.

Please read the article if you wish to continue this. I have provided numerous sources for the actual figures.

You point out the false abuse of power, i point out that the figures are inflated, what is your point?

Are you saying that Trump hasnt pardoned the most African Americans in his first term?

budaatum:
First, I am aware that you and I, despite our differences in the past, maintain some sort of respect and regard for one another, which makes me regard you even more despite our differences, but I suspect you are not reading what I post, and I find that insulting and a waste of my time.

Please confirm that Trump has not pardoned as many as the 212 that Obama pardoned.

Amujale:
ℹThe president to use his powers to pardon the most blacks from prison.
Its important to note that the pardon "is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime" and "is not a sign of vindication and does not connote or establish innocence."

One of his February 18 2020 pardon was for Angela Stanton who happens to now be running for election into US congress.

I never once said that Trump has pardoned more people than Obama.

What i clearly stated was that: "Trump is the president to use his powers to pardon the most African Americans from prison".

budaatum:
I don't think you read what I posted, because it was not facebook, and said the facebook claim was false!

My response was to this post.

That Facebook post is false.

budaatum:
Evidence please, because the facts I've seen do not agree with what you claim here.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Donald_Trump?wprov=sfla1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Barack_Obama?wprov=sfla1

Commutations arent pardons.


www.clearupmyrecord.com/pardon-vs-clemency.php

budaatum:
You would need to provide evidence for this, as Trump hasn't even pardoned a tenth of the people Obama pardoned, and Obama could not possible have not pardoned a proportional number of blacks.

As for the rest of your claims, you really need to look beyond what Trump wants you to believe, to start with, and perhaps take current evidence into consideration.

The Facebook post is fake News.

www.polifact.com.

Politifact rates the post "mostly false"

The claim that Obama: 1,927, Trump 26 is false.

The number for Obama is the total acts of clemency for all his terms in office - pardons plus sentence commutations. But only about 11% of those was pardons.

Furthermore,

ℹObama issued many more pardons and sentence commutations than Trump, largely in his second term.

ℹObama followed a clemency policy aimed at relativeky low-level offenders and relied on Justice Department recommendations.

ℹTrump has largely acted outside the normal review process, most recently giving clemency to high-profile. i.e General Flynn

ℹTrump had at the time taken 35 clemency actions more than cited in the facebook post. Roughly two-thirds of them was pardons, including two posthumous ones.

budaatum:
You would need to provide evidence for this, as Trump hasn't even pardoned a tenth of the people Obama pardoned, and Obama could not possible have not pardoned a proportional number of blacks.

Eventhough i dont intend to turn this into a Trump vs Obama thing, hence i stated than any former presidency.

Firstly, pardons are different from commutations.

Trump has pardoned more blacks than Obama did during his first office and possibly overall.

Abbeybailey:
Tax evasion in New York, the charities Fraud which he had to pay $2 million to settle and the Trump University in which he had to pay over $25million to settle.

Ok.

budaatum:
Is there an ongoing investigation on this issue, because, as far as I found, this has been concluded.

Yes, there are ongoing investigations.

HIillary is part of the swamp that Trump came into office to drain.