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ayoola27:
u are clearly biased that u can't see the difference between Africa and Ghana

The title of the book clearly states Black and African history.. not just Ghana


Ur hypocrisy stinks abeg

Still waiting to see ur book sha

Check the dates you are posting?

Let me put things into their perspective.

The horific Portuguese campaign begins in and around the 1300's, and the Arabian slavetrade precede that.

Eurocentrist tend to bring up their own history of slavery in our continent in an attempt to justify their horific attrocities, but they have failed.

Any slavetrade that occured from the point that the Arabian fundamentalist began their evil campaign, either the Arabian fundamentalist, Eurocentric warmonger or both were in charge.

Slavery and slavetrades was started by the Arabian fundamentalist in the First Millenium, around the 600's.

Again, there's no evidence anywhere in history of a slavetrade on the continent prior to the First Millenium, and that was due to the Arabian fundamentalist warmongers.

And that ties into the fact that there never was chattel slavery or a slavetrade anywhere in African history prior to the distruption of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

Assuming you have any evidence to the contrary, kindly post it here.

ayoola27:
According to "Welcome to Encyclopædia Britannica's Guide to Black History"

In the
Senegambia region, between 1300 and 1900, close to one-third of the population was enslaved. In early states of the western Sahel, including Ghana , Mali , Segou , and
Songhai , about a third of the population were enslaved.

Again, inconsequential content.You are sinply making the point for me.

All the countries you mention was either colonised or under the control of foreign governments.

Enslaved by whom?

You're quoting 1300, slavery lasted for over 2000 years dude.

The point i was alluding to is that chattel slavery and the slavetrade was invented by the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

There was no such thing as chattel slavery or a slavetrade prioe to the distruption of the Arabian fumdamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

ayoola27:
In
Perbi, Akosua (April 5, 2001). "Slavery and the Slave Trade in Pre-colonial Africa
A Ghanaian historian said
Slavery was widespread in Africa, with both internal and external slave trade".

You're deceiving yourself.

Learn to read properly.

You are agreeing with me that there was never a slavetrade on the African continent prior to the distruption of the Arabian fubdamentalist and Eutocentric warmongers.

The above book covers Ghana slavery 15th and above.

What is the point in citing content that is afterwards.

The point i am making to you here is a historical fact.

There was never ever a slavetrade on the continent prior to the arrival of the Arabian fundamentalist and the Eurocentric warmongers.

budaatum:
Have you or anyone made those books available...

'They Came Before Columbus' authored by Dr Ivan Sertima. Get access to the electronic book [url=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://metaphysicspirit.com/books/They%2520Came%2520Before%2520Columbus.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiwy-ibqvXpAhUTThUIHS7FCFEQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0oaew_cS9j9um839CP87bc] here.[/url]

The authors of the Moses story euhemerised their character into ancient Egypt, copied the ten commandments from the Laws of MAAT, bastardised the Battle of Kadesh, copied and plagiarised philosophies of the Kemetic scientist and came up with a fake and malicious narrative.

There's a re-copy of a wall painting - The battle of Kadesh is depicted somewhere on the thread, the irony of the fake Moses story is something to behold.

Isnt it counterintuitive to peddle a narrative that falsely suggest that the ancient Egyptians that they stole and repackaged their stories and concepts from in a false and malicious way are somehow supposed to be the bad guys?

Assuming we concentrate our concentration on African history, one would know that it was the foreigners that were the evils of those days, it wasnt our ancient rulers.

Peddling any story in the Christian bible goes against logic and common sense, peddling the garden of eden narrative goes against logic and common sense.

The garden Eden story is fake it was plagiarised and maliciously copied out of mutiple older narratives. i.e Ancient Egyptian, Assyrian/Iraqi/Sumerian e.t.c

The Christian bible peddles a false representation of history.

The Christian bible is counterintuitive the African, due to the fact that it peddles inaccurate and malicious information about our history.

For instance, there was never a person called Moses who travelled to ancient Egypt to drown an imaginery ruler, that is a blattant falsehood.

budaatum:
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I myself I'm reading Fighting Corruption is Dangerous by Nigozi Okonjo Iweala. Its about making Nigeria great and so I am making it read because I am small and making Africa great is a bit too much work for my limited abilities.

The Gods will continue to empower your own massive abilities and your endeavours. Asẹ.

Thank you brother, may you as well be continously empowered by the Gods. Asẹ.

ayoola27:
So now..u don't believe when Europeans wrote that Africans were already involved in slave trade b4 their coming but u believe that Benin pple speak Yoruba in their kingdom that the same Europeans wrote about...

How can i belive something that is false.

Let me make it easier for all of us to understand better, the notion that Africans sold other Africans into slavery is false, the Arabian fundamentalist were the real culprits.

All the blame of slavery lies at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

The Arabian fundamentalist started a human trafiking racketeer in Libya. In other words, they began a new slavetrade.

The only Mzungu you'll see me quoting are the righteous ones, the pro African ones i.e Martin Bernal e.t.c

Africans invented the concept of literacy.

That is to say, it was due to the diabolic and destructiveness of these foreign extremist religions that many of us arent aware of these facts.

Perharps you ought to get a copy of the book "Black People Invented Everything' by Sujan Kumar Dass.

ayoola27:
I'm still waiting for the African historian that said there was no slavery b4 the Europeans coming...

The only clown here is you.

Provide us with the evidence of chattel slavery or a slave trade on the continent prior to the Arabian fundamentalist and the Eurocentric warmongers or jog along.

According to Dr Henry Clarke, there was never cjattel slavery or a slavetrade prior to the distruption of the foreign extremist religions.

These foreign extremist ideologies and chattel slavery go hand in hand.

budaatum:
Would I be capable of reading and understanding any of them..

Yes.

budaatum:
Have you or anyone made those books available in Nigeria, Amujale?

Yes, most of these books are on google reading, going to post the electronic version asap.

ayoola27:
U lack comprehension...what research have u done towards that

According to Lovejoy, Paul E. (2012). Transformations of Slavery: A History of Slavery in Africa. London: Cambridge University Press.

Slavery was a part of the economic structure of African societies for many centuries, although the extent varied.
Also in Noel King (ed.), Ibn Battuta in Black Africa , Princeton 2005, p. 54.
Ibn Battuta , who visited the ancient kingdom of
Mali in the mid-14th century, recounts that the local inhabitants vied with each other in the number of slaves and servants they had, and was himself given a slave boy as a "hospitality gift


Slavery always existed in Africa prior to the Europeans coming...

I would have posted the pics...but I don't know what is wrong with nairaland

Do ur research and improve ur brain

Says who?

The people who participated in slavery?

You can pass me with that rhetoric, according to our historians there was no slavery in Africa prior to the arrival of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

Their was no chattel slavery, a slave trade ever in African history prior to foreign distruption. The slaves in African history was another word for prisoner. i.e prisoner of the state, in rare instances POW's e.t.c

Furthermore, i will go with our historians against any Eurocentric narrative.

My response, is Shut Up, how dare you talk ish about any African country when your parents was heavily involved in the slavetrade.

My thing is, Paul should write the history on how the Eurocentric will return all our stolen aretefacts or STFU.

Ausrichie:
Those religions give man a fake sense of morality which is toxic though but at least keeps violence out of society's way, it takes a smart intellectual to understand that morality is something built like man (the sense of good and evil) but many people are not that sophisticated and it will bad if people don't have a sense of morality. Like they say:
Ignorance is bliss.

I agree with the spirit of your response, keep hold to our virtuousness it's always been ours in the first instance, and then adopt the African as our God.

For instance, simply by listening to the teachings of our parents/guardian, elders, tutors and well wishers anyone will be able to no the difference between evil and goodness.

For instance, there's god in Agriculture,  Architecture, Arts, Astronomy, Astrology, Commerce, Engineering, Mathematics, Medical sciences, Philosophy, Physical sciences e.t.c

Foreigners came to Africa, found out about our divine principles and called them God.

You, I or anyone else could grow in spirituality or does something so revolutionary that we can become a god.

The African Gods are the only true and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

budaatum:
When Amujale is asked for evidence, he counterintuitively asserts and asserts and asserts.


https://www.theguardian.com/working-in-development/2018/jan/19/twin-baby-dies-secret-killings-nigeria-remote-communities

Christianity and Islam combined to form the worst ideologies ever to set foot on African soil.

I'm not arguing with you, these are the facts.

You come across as an agent of chaos.

If you arent for us (those that want our people to participate in making Africa greater than ever before), then, you must be an agent of chaos on the low.

Its pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist religions and focus our concentration on reality, African history.

African history comprises of Agriculture,  Architecture, Arts, Astronomy, Astrology, Commerce, Engineering, Mathematics, Medical sciences, Philosophy, Physical sciences e.t.c

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

budaatum:
Contrary to what one would intuitively expect?

The bible is counterintuitive due to the fact that the narrative goes against all logic and common sense.

For instance, the garden of eden story is counterintuitive as everyone knows that humanity begins in Africa, and not in a fictitious garden in the middle of nowhere.

hayoholla:
Lemme ask you to this bro, If I could ask you to choose between peace of mind and loads of money, which would you choose?

Paradise is a ficticious concept.

It isnt mere semantics.

Paradise is fake and malicious.

Its fake due to the fact that its a malicious adaptation of the concept of heavens'.

Now, since you're aware that 'paradise' and 'peace of mind' arent the same, the peddlers of these extremist ideoligies would want to have you believe that they are related, they arent.

The 'paradise' term is a foreign extremist ideology and has to be binned. The term is a derivative of a false and malicious narrative.

What you mean?

I'm not a sucker for money.

For me, peace of mind is when our continent has gotten rid of all these foreign extemist religions and are concentrating our focus on African history. That for me is always going to be priceless.

African history comprises of Agriculture,  Architecture, Arts, Astronomy, Astrology, Commerce Engineering, Mathematics, Medical sciences, Philosophy, Physical sciences e.t.c

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

Stop veering off on a tangent.

Now, paradise doesnt mean 'peace of mind' that is merely a derivative.

It's categorically wrong to attempt to propagate such term, binning these fake and malicious ideologies comprises of not making use of their terminology.

Its pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist religions and focus our concentration on reality, African history.

budaatum:
You bin whatever you want to bin and buda shall do as buda please.

I'm saying all of us should bin these extremist ideologies in favour of reality.

budaatum:
And when I asked you for a book that is original, and not fake copied or plagiarised, look a what you perpetuated to me and said should be taught in our schools!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11683163_0856013b20284496a49d23f00fc0ecf6_jpeg_jpeg33cafed206943a961660eeb9cd3fdf9a

No, you are misconscruing what was said.

That image proves that the bible is fake.

What you mean?

There are many genuine history textbooks.

For instance, 'The African Origin Of Civilisation' by Cheikh Anta Diop is a history textbook

'They Came Before Columbus' by Dr Ivan Sertima is a history textbook.

'Christopher Columbus' by Dr Henrik Clarke is a history textbook

'Black People Invented Everything' by Dr Sujan Kumar Dass is a history textbook.

African sercular history is what ought to be taught in our classrooms, our local history and continental history.

Ancient Egyptian history comes under our jurisdiction in terms of continental history

budaatum:
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Great, since we both agree that the bible is fake, its also false and counterintuitive.

Furthermore, the bible was used to enslave millions of innocent people.

Based on these understandings, one shouldnt be using or defending the use of those false narratives.

Instead lets bin all these foreign extremist religions and focus our concentration on reality, African history.

Ausrichie:
Remember things like the killing of twins was stopped by missionaries...

You have taken that outside of its proper context.

Firstly, you really think that isnt you perpetuating a malicious propaganda?

I put it to you that everytime you bring that up, you arent making any real point but are instead knowingly or unknowingly perpetuating a hundred year old piece of propaganda. Now you have been detoxed from that, refrain from using outside of a discussion on Missionaries.

Who were the missionaries?

The missionaries were spies.

Looking at it from a historical perspective, these missionaries all reported back to their various governments.

The missionaries were toxic.

The heroes in that narrative are the Twins and their parents.

The entire story was fabricated and used as a tool of propaganda.

Ausrichie:
Not actually I believe it depends on the individual. Remember things like the killing of twins was stopped by missionaries. Of course the Abrahamists (what I call Christians Jews and Moslems) are sometimes crazy but they came with some benefits. It depends on the individual to be actually foolish or sensible enough to detect flaws in his religion.

The Abrahamic religions are malicious ideologies based on fakery and falsehood.

When its said that Christianity and Islam combine to form the worst ideologies ever to set foot on African soil, such is never meant as a mere opinion but is infact a matter of fact.

It isnt an opinion, the history of how these foreign extremist religions arrived on the continent allows such conclusion.

Perhaps we ought to concentrate our focus on real history opposed to the fakery of the Abrahamic religions.

Its pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist religions and focus our concentration on reality, African history.

ayoola27:
So what was the reason for the conquest prior to European coming?

was it not to still get slaves... Stop blaming the Europeans...

You have a comprehension problem, as you seem to find it hard to comprehend history.

There was never a slavetrade anywhere in Africa prior to the disruption of the Arabian fundamentalist warmongers.

You need to go and reeducate yourself regarding the slavetrades that occured on the continent.

One of them was called the Portuguese slavetrade for a reason.

These are the horific campaigns that lasted for over 2,000 years.

ℹArabian also knowm as the Transaharan
ℹPortuguese
ℹTransatlantic

Furthermore, there was never a slavetrade anywhere in Yorubaland , STOP IT.

You dont know what you're on about.

It isnt a game dude.

Foreign slavery that lasted for over 2000 years destroyed our continent, chattel slavery.

Theres no terminology for slave in the Yoruba language.

Eru used to mean 'prisoners of the state' or POW, most eru was known to be in receipt of wages, doesnt mean - slave as in slavery or the slave trade.

There was never such a slavetrade on the continent prior to the arrival of foreign warmongers.

Slavery began with the arrival of Islam and Christianity.

Give yourself brain.

Amujale:
No I didn’t, I proved to the thread that the bible is fake, false and counterintuitive and then you began to argue only to reach the same conclusion that the bible is indeed fake.

budaatum:
First, you proved nothing. You just asserted and asserted and asserted, then you posted an Ancient Egyptian painting and said, "see".

Now you're revealing to us that you're confused.

Now i will ask you a simple question and i want a yes or no response.

Is the Christian bible fake, yes or no?

budaatum:
Amujale, I am from the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun, look it up on a map. Schools in my Kingdom get corpers to teach the students in the schools and in the past 20 or so years that I have been aware not more than say 5-10 out of over a 1000 corpers posted to my Kingdom have taught any history at all not to talk of history of Ancient Egypt. So valuable are history graduates of any sort that they don't usually do service in some poxy village school like the ones we have in my Kingdom. They get top jobs commensurate to the inherent value in knowing history, and low supply high demand does the rest.

Perhaps that is linked to this disscusion in that those are caused by colonisation.


Colonisation never ended in 1960, it simply morphed into neocolonialism.

We've been saying this for years already.

The tools the colonialist used to disrupt are:

ℹReligion
ℹEducation
ℹLanguage
ℹPolitics

Education: In this context, the reason they dont teach African history in our classrooms is due to the fact that our education systems are being run by foreign institutions - The institutions of the former colonialist.

The same applies to all the other pointers i.e Language, Religion and Politics.

Once we dismantle all the colonial systems and rip up all their archaic and draconian agreements, then we can hope to make the rapid progress that we rightfully deserve.

budaatum:
In our classrooms like in our primary and secondary schools?

Yes, in the proper context

African history ought to be taught in our classrooms.

Whereby our local history takes precedence.

budaatum:
I am posting evidence in support of the what you lazily assert and you are fighting me as if I am saying you are wrong.

Adam and Eve doesnt exist.

African history is real.

Dont you see the irony in comparing African history with biblical narratives?

Unless one is refering to the original stories from where the bible stole their narratives, there's no justification for comparing the Christian bible with history.

The Christian bible isnt a history textbook.

budaatum:
I am posting evidence in support of the what you lazily assert and you are fighting me as if I am saying you are wrong.

On one hand you say the bible is fake, and on the other you continue to pepetuate the same Christian bible.

If you cannot see anything wrong in that, i can.

budaatum:
https://www.asarimhotep.com/pages/blog/8-articles/10-adam-and-eve-demoted-egyptian-gods

Is the Christian bible a history textbook?

If so, whose history is in the bible?

The Christian bible is a fake and malicious piece of writing, anyone knowing these facts and continually pushing its narrative MUST themselves be up to no good.

If no, then why are you pushing its false narratives.?

The Adam and Eve characters are fictitious as they was copied and plagisrised from various diffefent older stories, that makes the Garden of Eden story fake and malicious.

Since the story is fake and malicious it has to be binned and confined to the fiction aisle.

[quote author=budaatum post=90410337]Amujale, I am from the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun, look it up on a map. Schools in my Kingdom get corpers to teach the students in the schools and in the past 20 or so years that I have been aware not more than say 5-10 out of over a 1000 corpers posted to my Kingdom have taught any history at all not to talk of history of Ancient Egypt. So valuable are history graduates of any sort that they don't usually do service in some poxy village school like the ones we have in my Kingdom. They get top jobs commensurate to the inherent value in knowing history, and low supply high demand does the rest./quote]

Perhaps that is linked to this disscusion in that those are caused by colonisation.


Colonisation never ended in 1960, it simply morphed into neocolonialism.

We've been saying this for years already.

The tools the colonialist used to disrupt are:

ℹLanguage
ℹReligion
ℹEducation
ℹPolitics

Education: In this context, the reason they dont teach African history in our classrooms is due to the fact that our education systems are being run by foreign institutions - The institutions of the former colonislist.

xproducer:
” Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom. And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” - Luke 23:39-43 (Also, 2 Corinthians 12:4)

Firstly, Jesus is a fictitious character that never existed.

Secondly, the Christian bible is fake, false and conterintuitive.

Perhaps you actually need to read through the thread properly to learn the truth about the bible and how the contents was copied, plagiarised and fabricated from older text, literature and concepts.

Go and pick up a proper history textbook.

xproducer:
Yes, the Lord JESUS, the Truth says there is!

Jesus is a fictitious character that never existed. The Jesus character is a made up LIE.

What you mean TRUTH?

The Jesus story is based on a combination of fakery and falsehood.

The term 'paradise' was copied from the African concept of the heavens', hence there's no such place as paradise.

Amujale:
There's no such place as 'Paradise', lets instead work to make our world a better place.

Let our enemies be focused on a fictitious concept of paradise that doesnt exist, whilst we actually create one here on planet Earth.

budaatum:
And plagiarised, and stolen, and copied!

Eventhough i totally agree with the above post, as in, the contents of the Christian bible was acquired by stealing, copying and plagiarising older material.

budaatum: https://www.asarimhotep.com/pages/blog/8-articles/10-adam-and-eve-demoted-egyptian-gods

However, i'm having to respond to the content of the link you attached as its false and counterintuitive.

At times you come accross as someone confused, the bible doesnt follow any tradition other than to steal, copy and plagiarise older material maliciously.

The bible is unethical, immoral and diabolic.

African history is based on ethics, morals, science and technology.

In other words, African history is based on reality, whilst the Christian bible is based on fakery and falsehood.

There's isny one character or story in the Christian bible that can lay claim to being original, if they wasnt stolen, they was copied; if they wasnt copied, they was plagiarised; and if they wasnt plagiarised, they was simply outrightly fabricated.

In any intellectual discussion, the Christian bible doesnt qualify as any source whatsoever.

I hope that clears things up.

The Christian bible is an unreliable source.

Its pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist religions and focus our concentration on reality, African history.

budaatum:
And plagiarised, and stolen, and copied!

The story of Adam and Eve is fake.

The Garden of Eden is fictitious.

Again, stop trying to equate the bible with proper history.

The bible isnt a history textbook.

The bible is fake, false and counterintuitive.

African history is real, proper and true.