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Cant this people pass info on time? Am so far from my LG and am just seeing this. Nothing bad will happen by God's grace. Can't make it.

ayoku777:
Just what I thought!

The righteous are as bold as a lion truly. When you can't even be bold about a question as simple as this, it shows even you are having a hard time connecting the dots of your heresis.

I've answered your question about election. That since election is of grace and grace is by faith; then the elect are those have faith in Christ.

And since Peter said we should give diligence to making our election sure; it means it is not inherently sure. We have to keep the faith to make it sure.

I have answered all your questions about election which you are free to disagree with. But you can not even answer my simple question without tiptoeing and getting ambiguous.

Does God want ALL MEN saved? Yes or no?

Shalom!

Go back and read my post on election. You don't know what it means I debunked your erroneous explanation of election, am waiting for you to do same?

Have i been shy with words? buhahahahahaha You don't know what bold as a lion is too,lol common!

ayoku777:
Let me ask you a simple question; so simple one word answer would suffice.

DO YOU BELIEVE GOD WANTS ALL MEN SAVED? Yes or No.

Don't tiptoe, don get ambiguous, don't be scared of shooting yourself in the leg.

I need an honest answer so I can know where we are in this debate.

Shalom

Don't be tricky to get away with you ignorance, all our answers must be backed by scriptures and all given precept by precept Go back to my previous posts where i talked about God's election and provide your answer to it first.

vooks:
This is a classic example of proof texting. Quoting scriptures out of context to drive a weak point home. It is also known as Gish galloping; overwhelming your opponent with too many points at a go and interpreting their inability to respond as fast as vindication of your position.

Let's look at your statements

This is a contradictory statement. Break it down.
1. Gifts are 'not conditioned on man's choice'.
2. Gifts are freely given to all of them who believe by faith in 'concert with God's sovereign choice'

Note the condition in #2 of 'believing by faith'. It means those who don't believe or 'believe by faith' can't access the gifts
Unless of course you think 'believing by faith' is equally part of these gifts. You subscribe to this.

If believing is a gift from God, why would he be angry at disbelief yet He is the one who has denied them this gift of 'believing by faith'?

In each of these instances, there is clear disappointment at resisting the truth or unbelief;

Mark 6:6 (KJV)
And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Matthew 23:37-39 (KJV)
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Acts 7:51 (KJV)
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

2 Timothy 3:8 (KJV)
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.


why is resisting the truth a problem God has with these people in the above-shared verses yet only He can irresistibly draw men to Him?


You lack understanding of God's sovereignty and your poor attempt at gasping it makes a god a monster who torments in hell forever men precisely for denying them the only ticket out of hell.

You are the one making God look like a monster. God is not under any obligation to save any man. All of us are by constitution haters of God and deserve eternal damnation. If God should judge us based on our works/ choices non will have eternal life.

Question for you: Where do your choices originate from?

Ayoku777, vooks, Jiggaz, Scholar8200

If ten murderers are convicted and all sentenced to life imprisonment and the president exercises his prerogative right to pardon a prisoner and he orders for the release of lets say five of them, is he responsible for the remaining five who will have to stay with their life term jail? No. The are completely responsible for their evil deeds.

However, the remaining who received mercy will forever be grateful to the President.

Apply this analogy to what we are saying.

You guys who believe in man's choice will not accuse the President of unfairness. Why? because He is not responsible for the crimes of all them and would have simply allowed all to rot in jail, but out of his constitutional right/power he pardoned five.

It is the same for the sinner and salvation. All of us are by nature children of wrath but God because of His love according to His sovereign will decided to have mercy on those whom he had chosen.

We speak the truth, and you attack us? May you see.

ayoku777:
And what is the nature of God's gifts? Are they imposed? Are they forced on us?

God's gifts are not conditioned on man's choice/will. They are given freely to all of them who believe by saving faith in Christ in concert with God's sovereign choice.

ayoku777:
Gifts have two stages. One, it is given (or offered) by the giver. Two it is accepted or rejected by the receiver.

You don't get, man is incapable of receiving the things of God. You have to understand the nature of man before considering his choice/will. Pray tell, where does his choice spring out from? Will he choose against his heart desires. No.

Luke 6:45 ;
" A good man out of the good treasure of his
heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an
evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart
bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the
abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Matthew 15:18 ;
But those things which proceed out of the
mouth come forth from the heart; and they
defile the man.

And if we are honest here the scriptures never used kind words to describe the heart of man/his nature.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder,
adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.

Romans 3:10
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not on;

Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my
mother conceive me.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately
sick; who can understand it?

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do
your father's desires. He was a murderer from the
beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Genesis 6:5
The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in
the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Don't tell me God thinks man can do something good such as choosing Him at one point in His life time when all his intents are evil non stopping. Is it not out of the intentions of the thoughts in your heart that you make choice. Is choosing God not a good thing? yes. So which man( all men are evil natured) can do this good thing without a change of heart and without new desires. Can man change his heart? no. There may be something as changing one's mind but there is nothing like changing ones heart which is the source of our thoughts and what determines our choices. Only God can change a man's heart from stony-like to fleshy-like. From a 'resentful heart' to an 'accepting heart'.

ayoku777:
I've noticed you have this wrong description of the nature of God's gifts. You believe when God gives a gifts; the option of rejecting it is impossible to the receiver. That is wrong.

The gifts of God are offered, not imposed; they are presented, not forced on us. The gifts can be accepted or rejected by the receiver; or even accepted then forsaken.

You're right, saving faith is truly a gift, the scripture says that much. It is not an emotion we work up in our power.

All men are 'wired' to reject the gift of God. It is in our nature to choose death over life. Those who believe, believe by the grace of God. Not their wills, quit this heresy o.

Ephesians 2:3-5
among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of
wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved

Did God consult man before doing the italicised?

ayoku777:
Eph 4v8 -For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that faith is not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Note: words in blue are mine.

It says here that even the faith with which we received grace unto salvation was not of ourselves, it was the gift of God. Meaning no one can believe the gospel on his own, without the gift of faith from God.

But the question is, is this gift of faith given to some and denied others? Is it God that makes some people believe and makes others not believe? NO!

Romans 10v17 -So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Can you see this verse? Faith comes by hearing the word of God. Anyone who can hear the gospel can believe the gospel. The hearing of the gospel of Christ and the offer of the gift of faith in Him go hand in hand; they are two sides of the same coin.

So there is no such thing as; "Ten people heard the gospel, but only the two that God gave the gift of faith could believe it." Or that; "I heard the gospel, but God did not give me the gift of faith to believe it."

God does not present us with the gospel of salvation and then leave us struggling in our weakness to believe it. The faith to believe in Christ is offered with the hearing of His gospel.

Inherent in the gospel of grace, is the gift of faith to believe it. The gospel of Christ and the gift of faith to believe it, arrive in the same mail. You can say, the gospel comes with its own "believability package".

There are no select people that God offers the gift of faith to. Everyone who is ever presented with the gospel, was also offered the gift of faith to believe it. Anyone that was ever afforded the privilege of hearing the gospel, was offered the gift of faith in Christ.

So anyone who hears the gospel and doesn't believe it chose not to believe it, because the gift of faith in Christ was offered with the hearing of the gospel. Unbelievers who have heard the gospel, rejected the gift of faith in Christ.

That is why the Holy Spirit reproves the unbelief of the world.

John 16v8-9 -And when he (the Holy Spirit) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me;

The Holy Spirit reproves the world of the sin of unbelief.

If God is the one that offers some the gift of faith in Christ and denies others; why will the Holy Spirit rebuke the world for not having what God did not give or offer them? Why will he rebuke the world for not having what God denied or refused them.

It's like you, paying the school fees of one of your kids, and then you didn't pay that of the other kid. And you now rebuke him for being sent home from school.

Is that how low you esteem God and His integrity and justice? That He will rebuke us for not having what He denied us or refused to offer us?

Everyone is offered the gift of faith in Christ at the hearing of the gospel. Those who are believers are the ones who chose to accept the gift; those who remained unbelievers rejected the faith. But there is no one that was not offered -it comes with the hearing.

Faith is a gift of God; but receiving the gift of faith in Christ, keeping the faith and departing from the faith are all our choices.

That something is a gift does not mean receiving it is not a choice or that rejecting it is impossible. You keep making that doctrinal error. The gift of faith is offered everyone at the hearing of the gospel. We choose to accept it or reject it. And if we accept it, we choose to keep it or depart from it.

IT IS OUR CHOICE.

Everything boils down to your lack of understanding of the nature of man. If you understand the spiritual dearth lurking in every man, you will throw away the heresy of free will. Start from the root and you wont get to this laughable conclusion of "its our choice"

UyiIredia:
This girl again ! U and ur judgemental attitude If African men are as u describe how African woman go dey ! I'll let u have this one simply b'cos the problem with African women_ 9gerian women in particular_has been flogged and overflogged and will continue being flogged on this forum. No need for further thrashing.

Hahahahhaha...let me tell you something, African women are stronger(mentally) than you African men. You are so okay with the crumbs that fall from other men's tables, their leftovers, lol. When will y'all start thinking independently and get things together yourselves?

In every group of the world, the onus to develop a nation according to environmental needs, and even provide adequate security, lies on the men. Other men have done this, can we say the same of our African men who have damaged mentalities already? not.

All they (most) think of is how to invade other people's nations shamelessly to make cheap money at the expense of their left over African prestige. Y'all need to wake up and leave African women alone, they wont do your work for you.

As for the judgemental part, i say things as they and you know i am right.

Ilekeh:
Something tells me that recolonization of Africa would be as easy as before.

African men are so weak. They keep confirming that they are at the bottom of the barrel. Their minds have been deeply colonised, they cant even see what they are doing. Its a shame really. Some, who have realised this, are trying to get their minds cleared but they are few and far in between, and hid by the lowlife majority.


They can even beg to be recolonised

ABDULADINO:
God bless you sis, it reminds me of the scripture in which Paul said i am crucufied with Christ, it is no longer i that lived but Christ that lives in me and the life i now live i live by FAITH OF the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me.Salvation is all about Christ and none of man.

Absolutely brother. And more importantly thanks for the highlighted, the scriptures cant be clearer when it describes our faith as that of the Son of God..

Indeed salvation is of the Lord! Jonah 2:9

I can only see the rants of a fool

What is the whole talk about faith from Ayoku 777 and others, when faith itself is given?

Faith is a gift, no man can produce the faith of Christ unto salvation.

Repentance is a gift.

Discernment is a gift.

Patience and long suffering are gifts.

All are gifts of the Spirit, so which one are you ascribing to man?

If there is a job offer that suites me just fine (according to God's will) i will go. No be mouth, i will gladly go...and by God's grace people will hear the good news too.

okonja:
Even If Jesus come today and say "He is the Son of Mary", am sure you would be among those who would still doubt him...*hisses*

Jesus has said so many things, one of which is having access to the Father through Him alone, and you still don't believe Him? Ain't you sick?

There are a handful of, if not many similarities between catholicism and Islam. I wont be surprised if they merge tomorrow, after all both founders of the two religions are dead men

johnydon22:
[b]Your judgement spells division, discrimination and stems from ludicrous ego.

What differences do you see between you and a muslim, catholic or hindu?

what difference is there between you and the man begging on the street?

what difference is there between you and the one bowing down in a mosque and the one kneeling in a church or the one who doesn't kneel at all?

Or the Hindu's raising their hands to Brahma or the pagans making their supplications their own way, or Christians praying to Yahweh.

There are no difference, we all share the same body, we all share the same blood. . your blood am sure is not golden or white but still unadulterated red and swelling with haemoglobin like every other human out there.

You too just like them get hungry and cry and feel pains just like every other do, or do you think you are from a different material from others? or do you think you are even from a different material from the animals out there you may look down on?

This division is in your mind, you may think your belief in what ever it is you think you believe makes you a better person but it doesn't .

You are still outrightly human like every other person, you are still subjected to the dictates of life..

We were all humans before Race disconnected us, Religion separated, colour divided. .

Your outright egoistic judgement is as wrong as wrong can get and can never be right at least to me. . . Nothing makes you a better human than others not even wealth or power talk more of beliefs.

Your belief doesn't not make you a better human being, neither does it even make you a good person, Your behaviour towards other does.

From what you exhibit here, one can only hope to be wrong about how your behaviour towards others will be [/b]

Haven't you judged my judgement already? I am a Christian and my loyalty is to my Lord first. If He abhors a thing, who am i to love it?

Did Christ who these confused men claim to follow bring a sword of division to establish truth and love among His followers in this world? Or false peace that the world is clamouring for?


Matthew 10:34 ;
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword".

That is the harsh truth that these so called Christians, you are defending, are running away from. Why call yourself a Christian when you hate everything that Christ stands for? You are a big HYPOCRITE when you praise God with your lips and deny Him in all your deeds. I point this out, and i am called judgemental? trust me you wont like God's judgement when you come face to face with Him! No you won't!

Johnydonn, i am not just saying what i know, i know what i am saying. We speak wisdom that is not of this world and i do not expect you to understand, but God will judge you.

UyiIredia:
And it's wrong, very wrong.

Did i judge rightly or wrongly? You think all judgements are wrong? SMH

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ignis:
You wife over heard you telling your sister...
And you think your wife won't get to see this post on Nairaland. ... I pity you.
@Topic, Men of God are not God and shouldn't be mistaken for God on any circumstance.

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The question is...are they men of God or masquerading themselves as such?

Op, you have not spoken with God before? Or that strange 'pastor' speaks for you now

Summary: Put God before your silly understanding or deceitful heart when choosing a partner.

ignis:
What you are buried with doesn't matter, but where you are going

A million likes.

UyiIredia:
You are being too judgemental.

Oh yes i am.

Evaromantik:
Una dey generate 5000MW while since five days now,na today i just dey see light........where the MW dey go nah

Village things?

shamecurls:
Wailing Wailers! Food is ready o......

Lolzzzz

Plus234:
where u dey serve ?

Why you won know? you be corper too?

Great news
Pls they should not forget villages too o.
Where am serving, no light cha cha.

[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=37166400][/quote]Nah, he is exposing the false prosperity gospel in our Nigerian church. We can all see that that is the crux of his message.

winner01:
Madam, which level na
Prosperity is the right of every child of God. You cant live in poverty and claim you're enjoying God. No, Never, God is not poor. its His people that have not taken charge to harness His unending blessings..
sickness, poverty, death etc are from the devil. However im against pastors misleading people. Bless you

If you do not repent of this false gospel and turn to the truth, you will get hit on that day with Matt 7: 21-23.

Romans 1:18

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Jesus is coming soon and boy is he miffed with these crooks?

I wont kill a deformed child. I don't have any justifiable reason to and i do not know the future. We are not God and cannot accurately determine what will happen to the child. If God wants the child out of this world, he will take the child back, because He gave the child. Yes, God is the one that gives children. If he wants the child to stay, we cant question God because He is bigger than our fears.

Nobody should play God. We should show them love and treat them like other normal kids until God knows best.

winner01:
I call chris delvan of gwamna ministries a psalmist, some call him a pastor...King david was more of a psalmist than anyone, Rockefeller was a sunday school teacher till he was aged... I dont know what you mean by rants.
Christianity is not poverty.

Indeed you are one of the scoffers the op is lamenting over.

Tell us how Christianity is worldly riches again Rubbish.

winner01:
If i had the means, ill buy private jets for evangelist Reinhard bonke, Joseph prince, Benny Hinn and their likes...I wonder how they move all over the world without convenient mobility. The Gospel of Truth must be spread.
Wealthy pastors are often criticized, but i wonder what people of this generation would say during the time of King David, King Solomon, John Rockefeller e.t.c,
However im against "Pastors" misleading people of God.

Its obvious you didn't get the message completely.

This is the third time am seeing this on fp .

sportsmaster:
obviously,turning away from Christ is the only thing that can deny you heaven.
not sinful actions

And none of the elects will turn away. If any one abandons the faith, then he/she was never a part of the fold.