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NoWorries7:wow. You care to share how you came to this realisation? |
kristen12:LOL i am having a nice day already. There is something like being at peace with God. It comes from knowing and loving the truth. |
grossintel:Sorry reread my post again when you are chanced. I was saying christians should not tithe again because we are not bound to the law. |
Hehehehe Christians shouldn't tithe at all. "Tithing isnt compulsory" is like saying "The law isn't compulsory" Law is law for a reason. If you are under a law you must abide by it and in some cases to the letter. There is no "if you like" with the law. You break it you face punishment. That's why Christ came to free us from not only the punishment but also from the demands of the law. Before now. The truth was: CHRISTIANS ARE NOT TO TITHE BUT GIVE WHATEVER THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE Lying ministers shouted the exact opposite of the truth from their pulpits: TITHING IS COMPULSORY AND OFFENDERS ARE INCURRING GOD'S WRATH Then a man came to challenge them with the bible. He won a lot of people over Proud lying ministers couldnt take it and got worse in preaching the opposite of the truth. They were no longer convincing. So shy lying ministers (the devil's second try to keep people enslaved) like this come forward for the first time ever(what have they been doing since?) to "challenge" the obvious lie with subtle lie or is it a levelling ground lie saying: TITHING IS NOT COMPULSORY. Who is the devil trying to swindle with this lie? When did a law become not compulsory? Christians shouldn't tithe we have been freed from the law. |
kristen12:You equate warning believers of accepting questionable doctrines and exposing false ministers as being forceful? Lies had spread everywhere and the new believing gentiles were opening up to false docrtrines and giving up their liberty in Christ wherein they were called for jewish ritual and Paul had to write a whole epistle (Galatians) warning them with every might and love in him, even calling them foolish and bewitched? Fast forward to 2000 years and "wiser" people like you are suggesting a different approach to false teachings which is "indifference, live and let live?" That means the gospel isnt worth it. Or the early Christians were just overzealous busybodies. Away with this nonsense thinking you have! It is from the pit of hell. There is no middle or levelling ground between God and the devil. Its either you are contending for the faith or you are not Let them work out their salvationThis is out of context but I'll grant you. People work out what is worked in them as vs 13 says it is God that works in us both to will and to do. You cannot work out your salvation if you are not saved. And you can't be saved if you do not hear the real gospel. (which these crooks have perverted). Who is a false christianOne who has not the spirit of Christ in him or her and hates the gospel People like you that find imaginary loopholes and avenues to pour your negative criticism on the church have bigger problems.Out of context. As it appears i can safely use that verse against you. I'm not criticising churches. Those places you call churches are social gatherings. So yeah im picking on social gatherings using the Lord's name to exploit and mislead people |
Liar liar this elder man has no shame. Rebellion runs in his blood. Pride is his closest ally. Lawlessness is his name.Which God is that that spoke to him? Has he no fear that he doesnt care that it is God's name he is dragging in the mud? This is further proof that the older we get the more rotten we become. The word of God has everything we need as believers. We dont need extra revelations anymore. Even if these "special revelations" match with the scriptures they are needless because we have the bible already. Worse, like in this case of mr Adeboye, they dont even match! That means they should be discarded immediately and the purveyor of such nonsense ignored and dumped in a position of irrelevance (his rightful place) as far as spiritual matters are concerned. |
kristen12:We are "complaining" because we are just being our brothers keeper. Many of us were stirred up by selfless men and women who did not bottle up the truth for themselves alone. They got saved and wanted others saved. Isnt that the love of Christ? Now we are freed from these manipulating conmen so called pastors and we want same for others. How is that a bother to you? Shouldnt you be happy about it if you are a christian? We care for the chosen ones of God who are being fleeced. We want them liberated from the grips of the devil, from false doctrines and ministers of satan. We are doing the work of God. If you hate it, then you are exposing yourself as a false christian. Wow you are the problem not us. So please scamper away and stop making good look evil |
OBAGADAFFI:Lol i'll just allow you come through this tithiing lie first. When God wills to have mercy on you, basic bible truths would be lay bare before you. Till then, salvation, holiness, repentance and everything that we need are in Christ. And Christ is the gift of life given to whoever God wills. Till then. |
OBAGADAFFI:God uses instruments or means but when did we start ascribing his deeds to mortals who "single-handedly..." Yes God uses men to reach other men as He has ordained but men/means are dispensable because God can still reach us without them. The point is God is the one delivering and saving people, whatever He uses to do that should not give anyone the guts to deny Him as the only one responsible for our salvation Kumuyi Don't and has never preached morality he teaches holiness according the Heb 12-14I know that "holiness" Kumuyi preaches. It is not what Hebrews describes as holiness. The Holiness the bible speaks of is rooted in the finished work of Christ. Kumuyi's is based on "doing good to earn heaven" which is another gospel entirely. A false one Christians(Born again) are commanded to be holy.Same way we are commanded to repent even though repentance is a gift of God If you doubt Adeboyes holy spirit, challenge him to it.Its not the Holy spirit of the Bible. God is not an author of confusion. |
OBAGADAFFI:Your first statement is ridiculous but how would you know? The fact is no man can do any of that. No man can bring anyone out of occultism or sinful lifestyle except Christ through His death on the cross and by His will. Kumuyi is reverred for preaching morality. Holiness is different from morality. You cant preach holiness without the finished work of Christ on the cross. Holiness is one of the fruits of the gospel of the cross and not a distinctive message anyone was called to preach. We are to preach Christ that defines everything not "holiness" What kind of holyspirit does he preach about that has no respect for biblical truths, Adeboye? There are so many spirits and false christs. |
OBAGADAFFI:What have mr Kumuyi and Adeboye done for the faith except destroy it? |
ikaboy:Nah. The catholic church started this mess: mass propagation of false doctrines. Pentecostals who followed likewise have obviously erred greatly but the catholic even 1000 times. Two wrongs don't make a right one. "Being charitable" like your pope wants everyone to believe would not absorb him of the heresies in his convent. Don't deceive yourselves thinking you can outsmart God or earn His blessings with "good deeds" when you still challenge the supreme authority of the scriptures with your traditions. |
BluntBoy:aww nice of you brother! |
BluntBoy:I'm fine brother. Hope you are good too? |
DOUBLEWAHALA:Funny but true |
petra1:Let's say he was talking about tithe, would he have said anything different from other "pastors"? If no, well why defend evasiveness? If yes, why has he not said anything then. Or are errors in the church just nothing since he thrives on them. |
dumodust:That's a strong point. Thank you |
dumodust:Funny. Christian apartheid? never heard of it. About the post. There are too many people living good lives already and if its about morality Christ death was a waste then. God knows His own but have we forgotten God uses men, warning, trouble (means) to draw men to Himself. |
HarkymTheOracle:Nothing |
PrecisionFx:Lol there are. But its not possible for men to become Christians by themselves |
HarkymTheOracle:This is the assurance that comes from hearing the gospel of Christ and the cross. It is not built on wishful thinking but is a confirmation of the gospel we have received. There is power in the message of the cross (men cant see it literarily but they can see the effect of it and still not know how it came about) . This power turns men to children who would take their Father's word for it. Nothing more nothing less. Matthew 18:3 Truly i tell you except you change and become like little children you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven Finally after retyping over and over again . |
HarkymTheOracle:Yes but that's not the worse thing to happen. Nothing is worse than being dead to God.. If our hearts are right, wont we rather go to hell than sin against God? |
elantraceey:Oh how come? |
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That is how grievous this false tithe doctrine is. It is more than "it's my money" "it's a choice" "It's a kingdom principle" "pastors should take tithe but remember the poor" etc. Take a step and look further into it, you will see rebellion against authority, against God Himself. Tithe payers, if you cannot see whose authority is being challenged when you preach the tithe lie, we are deeply sorry for you. |
First of all, that's not even a Bible church. Stay at home and read your Bible until you find brothers and sisters who fear God. Then share what you have with him or her or them as the case may be. God is not in any of these mainstream churches but where two or three are gathered in His name (not gathered because they have to please others) He is there in their midst. In Hebrews 10:25 It says not neglecting the gathering of ourselves not phony Christians or wolves or worshippers of men but ourselves, genuine believers in Christ abiding by faith in the Word of God. If this people are not available better to stay at home and wait on God. Fellowship with false Christians is equal to dining with the enemies of God. These people are haters of God and their bellies are their gods. Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is ; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Hebrews 10:25 He said when two or three are gathered in His name He is there in their midst Seems to me that God was referring more to times like this where Christians would be very few and scattered abroad. |
Ok. He is right. Institutionalised religion is not Christianity. |
Nice job Op. Well done! |
Clinolit:Amen. God bless you! |
Good good now everyone can see how ignorant Mr adeboye is of simple Bible truths. So what has he been teaching all this while? You guessed right, doctrines of demons |
Blind leading the blind. Mr Adeboye has spoken without biblical facts. Hence, has made himself an authority or god over his flock. |
Please explain better.