A criminal went to another criminal. Your post is senseless to me because I don't see your point, instead it confirms what we've been saying about Pastor wolves.
Firstly you do know we are saved by grace and not because we are "sinless"? For those who are saved by grace through faith know that there is only one sacrifice for all your sins, which is the death of Christ on the cross. When Christ died on the cross all your sins were future sins but the blood of Christ was effectual enough to pay for all of it. All your sins(including the ones not committed yet) are a past issue. God cannot punish you again for what He has punished Christ for if not Christ died in vain.
Genuinely saved Christians have two natures now: The old man and the Spirit man. There is always going to be a struggle with this two natures until we put away this body. Romans 7. One nature does only wrong the other only good. From time to time we fall into sin but we don't practice sin as a lifestyle because we are no longer bound to our old nature but to righteousness.
Christ died for sinners unconditionally, without requiring compensation but this same Christ cannot provide common needs for His church except they meet a condition says the pathetic tither.
And who says the gospel cannot be propagated without money? Maybe the gospels that Nigerian pa$$tors peddle but I bet you not the true gospel.
And you are worshipping the wrong God. The true God provides all our needs according to the riches of His glory. He is our father. If the birds of the air need not worry about food and those flowers how the are beautifully sheltered, how can we who are His children worry about our common needs.
Does your earthly father charge you some percentage before providing for you? Don't be a fool! God does not love less and cannot be compared to your biological father in loving His children. God loves and provide for us unconditionally. Only an idiot thinks he can buy a blessing.
lekbel09: The bible says in 2 Timothy 2 vs 23-27 that christians shouldnt argue with people who oppose themselves so its very sad when i see so called christians arguing with people. When you preach to someone and the person refuses to acknowledge the glaring truth please do not waste valuable time arguing with such persons just walk away.
God bless. Casting pearls before swines seems to be a full time job for some. Could be for good tho!
Preach the truth and you'll not have this kind of temptation among you. These "pastors" are not really pastors, so this kind of women feel at home with them.
There monikers I don't quote and that incorrigible asuuchild is one. He is very slow in understanding and very quick to display his ignorance. For instance, it is very clear from Malachi chapter 1-3 that it is not addressed to Christians but Jews and the Levite Priests who were found wanting in that aspect of the Mosaic Laws. I think you should do the same with that child
asuustrike2009: Dear op ask the holy spirit to teach more about tithing. He will reveal more truth to you. Don't study the Bible like literature or comprehension.
If you have the Holy Spirit like you think, you would have known that tithing isn't for Christians. Stop making yourself look like the wise one and God the fool.
Be humble O man full of pride and poor in Spirit and let God give you wisdom.
brocab: Ok sister I will keep that in mind-I remember-after the sermons Churches would preach a good message, people had a positive attitude towards there day ahead, things have changed, these days I have tried and talk with others about today's message, no-one seems interested, and most people are watching the stage, but their thoughts are elsewhere. I suppose this is why the Lord takes people out of Church-we don't get fed anymore, most of us are seeking the Lord in our homes, not even the pastors in Church are focused on God, the latest news pastors around the globe are voting for Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve, they preach the tithing message for that long, people are sick of hearing it, to be honest the Church is falling away, the Church structure tells the story, nearly every Church-Hill songs show signs of the Illuminati, they display dirty dancing, where's the message-10 minutes the tithing message, 15 minutes about the Church activities, and 5 minutes of nothing. Where was the sermon, what was the message? Cant people see, God is not in their house, and they won't find God anywhere with this sort of attitude the Church displays, so the Church don't feed the flock, then what, do we expect the Church to be with the Lord, are they expecting the rapture to come soon, Jesus said: many are called, but few are chosen, are people listening? Are the pastors like Governments, puppets on a string. Does the Church need to display their riches, their over rated tax free businesses of night clubs, live music, Coffee clubs, their food industries, their buying and selling books, C/D's DVD's collecting tithes and offerings, funding's and finances, "do they need to display the rich as they sit above wearing their costly clothing displaying their riches with pride, while the poor sits hungry and in rags below, is this the Church we seek after. The Churches are Old testament temples, that uses the Abraham story, full of riches, an old custom to pay the high priest the tithe every year, while everything else was giving to the kings, Temples that buy and sell products of books, collecting tithes and offerings and donations, they buy homes, land, slavery, life stock, and other merchandise was brought for a price and sold, while the rich become richer, and the poor become poorer.. {Matthew 21:13} Jesus said: His house is a house of prayer, not a den of thieves. The Church has forgotten what the House of God is, without the proper teaching people won't see Christ mentally, physically, spirituality nor naturally, nor will they know it is the Word of God, because the heart of the Church is made of stone. Slowly but surely, God will deliver His people to safety..
brocab: Thanks brother, the Lord brought you out of the Church structure-He will use you, like He uses us. I remember a dream I had from the Lord, I seen thousands upon thousands of sheep walking one way down through the mountains, I knew I was one of them, it brought me back to {Ezekiel 34} the shepherds had stuttered the sheep into the mountains, and the lord brought us back. Its been some time now since I have called a Church building home, I have learn so much about the Lord, then I ever learned from any Church structure, the doctrines are different, time and time again I manage to drop in a Church here and there, I don't like to be a judge, but in most cases the Church keeps on pushing the tithing messages across, most have the music rolling for that long, the Church doesn't hear enough of the Word of God. In every Church there are always a small group of believers, like I was, we were always pushed to one side of the Church, that the Pastor doesn't know we existed, the pastors can only please those paying Christians, they believe that paying tithes will lead them to be with the Lord. Pastors that teach tithes are too frightened to preach the truth, they are afraid if the Church knew the truth, the Church will be empty. Since I had left the Church, there's so much the learn, and its so simple to learn, once we get the hang of it, Jesus has millions of His followers just waiting for the day the Lord comes to separate the tares from the wheat... It isn't easy bro, to be a believer in Christ, it is a lonely road to take, if one is willing? God separates us from the world, it isn't easy bro to stand as one man trying to preach the gospel to individuates inside or outside a Church, the Lord had given the pastors the road of responsibilities to carry His message through, but do they do it? "No". Christians are more focused by their worldly Church structures, than they are focused on God, matter of fact many are less focused reading about the Word of God, but more focused on other books, that were written by men and women who claim they had seen God the angels, Heaven or Hell. {"There's a story out there about a pastor who spent 90 minutes in Heaven, I thinks it's page 33" his book is different to his verbal testimony, in His book He didn't see the glory of the Lord, but in his testimony he seen it. This pastor lied and became rich. "Another story about a young boy, went into heaven after having some sort of accident with his father, a book was written about how the boy seen the Lord, and how he spent time in Heaven, when the boy had growing to an certain age, he told his father to tell the world the story is a lie from the beginning, see it wasn't the boys story, but his fathers story, the father was a pastor that wanted his Church to grow-his story had made him rich.} Books such as these is changing peoples hearts away from the Word of God, I have found it difficult to share the gospel to all sorts of Christians around the world, they would rather believe in the lie that someone else had written, than believe in the truth that God had written. Over the years, I have asked many Christians if I could go with them to a bible study, I never received a call, I may be asked once in a blue moon to meet people at their Church, but I found most are looking for the numbers to tithe, then they are looking for the people that needs the Lord.. Television is full of Churches, the Word Faith Movement is one of the main attractions the world see's, these are a team of prosperity preachers, that most worldly Churches receives them with flying colours having their hearts full of gold. {Matthew 6:24} We can't serve two masters, we can't serve God and Mammon at the same time. [1 Timothy 6:3-5}Christians from all walks of life are more focused on men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means to financial gain.
The Lord said people won't hear Him because they are not part of His sheep. The only way this would be is when His word is unpleasant to natural men. Amazes me that people cannot see how real those words are but are however confirming them through their false beliefs and refusal to obey the truth.
That "heaven and hell, new revelation" stories are they most annoying. People are so quick to believe them because they tell them these are the things to do and not to do, it gives them a sense of power over their lives, their salvation rather than submit to the Word of God.
And true, from all walks of life we have gullible people knowingly or ignorantly submitting to men rather than to God. I believe some of them are sheep and the Lord is using us to open their eyes. May the Lord continue to keep us and strengthen us to overcome.
yes and no, i say yes because is the major income of the church, and there is a blessings in giving GENERALLY. i say no because Jesus and the Apostles didn't say much about tithing.
OK. At what point in History did it become the major income of the church
I didn't watch the whole interview, I only saw the IG bit.
It was interesting to hear you talk for 31secs. As I listened, I kept trying to differentiate you from the popular hyenana video guy. You were spilling rubbish. if only you knew that the BIBLE is not English language. Your facts are inaccurate .
Unfortunately, most of those who heard you blab about tithing have no clue how backward you just set them. You would rob them of the blessings titheing unleashes. I'm not here to debate the moral ethics of men of God or your attacks on them. I am not their advocate neither am I their judge. However, you touched one of the very major part of my faith,Insulting the intelligence of the Holy Spirit who inspired the bible. I won't take that uncle.
Permit me to educate you on what you obviously know zero about, so you can in turn unlearn what you think you know.
Err, Broda mii Freeze, paying of tithe didn't start with Moses . You see there are three major dispensations out of the 7dispensations.
The dispensation of Faith. The dispensation of the Law. The dispensation of Grace.
Tithing started with Daddy Abraham, under the dispensation of Faith. Check gen14vs19-22. He paid it to Melchizideck, who was the high priest of salem.
However, tithing was institutionalized under Moses which was the dispensation of the Law, the isrealites were to hand their tithe over to the high priest.
Under Grace ,which is the dispensation we currently are, we pay tithe directly to Jesus who is now our high priest, represented by the Pastor of your local church . Primarily, we pay tithe to advance ourselves. We pay tithe to connect to in flow of wealth. Tithing is a channel of recieving financial provisions. What the pastor decides to do with the tithe is another thing. But Christians do it in line with faith, which was the dispensation the first tithe was paid.
My pastor Biodun Adeyanju would always say that the wisdom of God is not hard, it is only hidden, and only seekers can find it. Broda mii Freeze, next time, get your facts very right before coming out. You're welcome sir.
Daviddson: As far as I know, deeper life doesn't preach a different Gospel.
Sorry erh. They specialise in rubbishing the death of Christ on the cross. You will need to do better than this.
Now this is the summary of deeper life. Thanks to you!
Zeal is good, but it must be accompanied by wisdom and discretion. I don't think you're employing these two. Trying to do the things of God with the power of emotional hype, will lead to a crash some day. Think about that.
brocab: Very true, I hope this make sense to you, but I remember the days, when I didn't listen to anybody, I learnt the hard way, and looking back now, I believe it was my best way. Some people are good listeners, I wasn't, learning the hard way, helped me see what my life was, it took me through some pretty tough times, I actually seen my world at its worst. Today I am a believer, and now I see two worlds, to be with God my world is now at its best, without God my world was at it's worst. People are lazy, the world is lazy, it is another kingdom-Jesus said" His kingdom is not of this world, mental or physical health is to hard to comprehend, the world follows after its own kind, people would rather wait for the doctor or someone else they believe that could deal with their saturation, before they could. Without a healthy mind, or a physical mind, and without the Word of God in the Church, then people are just worldly people without a kingdom. And sadly we are talking about Christians who haven't a clue, which way is right..
Blessed are you!!
I feel safer and have learned a lot outside the modern church. All because God showed me mercy. Grateful and proud of the few of you that would not bow to the church-god but stay faithful to God.
You don't have to join politics start from the church. When the church is biblically sound it would reflect on the economy.
When people fear God they become less afraid of men and more loving and honest. Most of us have too much fear for men that it be clouds our sense of humanity, we run along with everything they say without questioning. By the time we realise our folly, a good number of us must have been wasted already.
Lol even if it happens as he has said it still does not prove that his calling is from God. To prove your authenticity, one must have to search the scriptures to see if your gospel and doctrines are biblically sound.
Daviddson: So you're already concluding that I'm not born again. Laughable. Doesn't that show how intolerant you're to a diverse opinion? In other words, the church you attend is so perfect... You're getting it wrong. In time to come you'll realize this truth I'm telling you.
It's clear that you see yourself as defending the truth of God's Word whereas you're only being judgmental and refusing to see from another perspective. You have labelled God's children as proud, selfish. I don't think this is how to be a dissenting voice. I repeat: no church does not have its share of controversies and errors; the only difference is that some might be more pronounced than the other.
Doesn't deeper life and all these "churches" you love preach a different gospel? If no. Prove me wrong from the Bible.
If yes, the Bible says they are accursed. Galatians 1:8,9.
I don't tolerate lies. Any man who tries to rob God of His glory through deceit gets a rebuke from me and his faith instantly becomes questionable.
As far as the Bible is concerned there are no diverse ways to look at it. It's one truth, one gospel and One Spirit. Any deviation no matter how subtle is a lie.
Daviddson: Deeper Life is not a cult. Every church has its own weak point or errors that it wean off from as it grows. This is why they now use TV, etc. Sis, the earlier you know that no church is perfect, the better. A church like DLBC, that preaches righteousness, should never be labelled a scam, even if there are reasons to castigate any of their doctrines. If we put the churches that major on prosperity, sowing seeds, and motivational messages in the same category with such a church as Deeper Life, then we've mixed things up entirely. I've reservations about some of the practices of the church, but I'll never call them hypocrites or even a scam (they don't come close to that).
I'm writing you this rather long reply because of previous posts of yours I have seen where you said same thing.
Deeper life contradicts the gospel of Christ. It is a cult group that seeks to attain what has been attained by Christ's death. Deeper life boldly insults the grace of God, deems its way of having eternal life far superior to Christ's. In deeper life righteousness is through works of the law doctrines of the cult and not through the faith of Christ. In short any attempt to preach the scriptural truth of justification through faith alone is met with stern oppositions and priiiide
In deeper life it's all about selfishly "making heaven" and not God's glory.
You need to be born again, have you no eyes to see these things!
FellepHq: My story is similar to his, wasted years in depression. I was depressed throughout my tertiary education. Even know I find it hard making friends, I only knew going to Church and school.
It's either you are a hypocrite or you are antisocial. Am trying to heal those years of brain washing.
Working on my younger ones too. As for my parents, their relationship was broken a long time ago, just held by what people will say.
Thanks to atheists here, am getting back my life.
Some of us have been liberated from cults like deeper life and Christ is living through us now.
brocab: No I don't call myself a Christian, these days people from all walks of life call themselves Christians, it doesn't prove they are. I myself am a believer in Christ-but you wouldn't recognise me, as one like you? We don't have to beat around the bush but we both know we preach two different doctrines. And if this man is your pastor-as you boast, than I suppose you wouldn't feel you need to read the scriptures, since you have this man on your team, It amazes me, why nearly every Church around the globe refuses {1 Timothy 6:3-5} that say's "Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means to Financial gain. Jesus then said: From such withdraw yourselves.. "Don't Christians ever read their bibles anymore, we believers do-God never preaches about tithing, God had always preached on giving. {Matthew 6:21} Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
@bold Imagine how mean people can be to themselves. If they can be weary of fake drugs why can't they be weary of false doctrines? One affects the physical health, the other the soul. This just tells you where these "Christians" eyes are at. They claim it's beyond here but when you get down with facts you will see how fixated to this world they are.
Religion / Re: Where Are The Haters Of Apostle Suleman As He Preaches In RCCG Youth Convention by An2elect2(f): 1:41pm On Oct 08, 2017 
Your post is senseless to me because I don't see your point, instead it confirms what we've been saying about Pastor wolves. 
