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Christianity Etc › Re: God Only Wants You To Be Holy, Healthy And Highly Successful - Rev Tony Akinyemi by An2elect2(f): 12:51pm On Feb 10, 2019

DavidEsq:
Could u explain with reliance on the scriptures? I mean the bolden o

I kindly decline sir. You have to tell me what all these questions are for because i've made my stance clear enough.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Only Wants You To Be Holy, Healthy And Highly Successful - Rev Tony Akinyemi by An2elect2(f): 12:35pm On Feb 10, 2019

DavidEsq:
Since your answer is yes, do u think we should be encouraged to understand that this effort is wat indicates our readiness to obey God and to cultivate the mindset of Jesus Christ, which is to do God's will at all times as we see in Philippians 2:12 which says: "Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling"

Keep working out,keep expressing what is being wrought in you, keep bearing fruits of your salvation, for God is the one that wills you to bear fruits and makes it possible

Christianity Etc › Re: God Only Wants You To Be Holy, Healthy And Highly Successful - Rev Tony Akinyemi by An2elect2(f): 12:33pm On Feb 10, 2019

DavidEsq:
Since your answer is yes, do u think we should be encouraged to understand that this effort is wat indicates our readiness to obey God and to cultivate the mindset of Jesus Christ, which is to do God's will at all times as we see in Philippians 2:12 which says: "Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling"

Yes, it shows our willingness to obey God, it shows that Christ lives in us. If someone asks a genuine believer to do right, it would not be out of his character. Where he disobeys continuously, it would not be ruthless to question his salvation.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Only Wants You To Be Holy, Healthy And Highly Successful - Rev Tony Akinyemi by An2elect2(f): 12:11pm On Feb 10, 2019

DavidEsq:
U didn't seem to answer my question, sir. It I a simple question. Or is it not simple to u? Could u kindly go back to my mention, so we can get that question answered?

I answered you. Yes, the answer is yes but the desire and will power are not ours. You can't do something you have no desire or power or opportunity to do. It brings us back to grace, to Christ

Christianity Etc › Re: God Only Wants You To Be Holy, Healthy And Highly Successful - Rev Tony Akinyemi by An2elect2(f): 12:02pm On Feb 10, 2019

DavidEsq:
If the above named scriptures would mean that we don't need to put any personal effort in being clean/holy, why does Colossians 3:5 say dis:
"Deaden, therefore, your body members that are on the earth as respects sexual immorality, uncleanness, uncontrolled sexual passion, hurtful desire, and greediness, which is idolatry".
2 Timothy 2:22: "So flee from youthful desires, but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a clean heart".
So let's look at this question: do d words "deaden" and "flee" indicate actions to the taken by us? My answer is yes. Is ur answer no?

You see in Christianity, there is something called a believer's responsibility and accountability. Even though we are instructed to do good works or perform acts of kindness, the ability to do them is not of us but of Him that is dwelling in us. For example Philippians 2,12 will tell us to work out(not work for) our salvation with fear and trembling but that's not all, we are immediately reminded in the next verse who would prompt or cause us to do these things. ...for it is God that works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure Not only does God cause us to desire to live uprightly, He also leads us to live uprightly. There is so much power in the gospel. It is so transforming that it brings dead people who don't know anything, where they are, what surrounds them etc to life. Ephesians 2;1-10. I like how vs 10 emphasised why we are saved in the first place. Apart from the fact that everyone's salvation is preplanned, God already built a framework that we Christians would walk in. We are like His masterpiece, Him moulding, shaping us for His glory. We can't come out any other way. God had this already.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Only Wants You To Be Holy, Healthy And Highly Successful - Rev Tony Akinyemi by An2elect2(f): 10:38am On Feb 10, 2019

DavidEsq:
I appreciate. But I wld appreciate it more if u cited as scripture. Don't u think?

These are passages that actually highlight what i've said.
Because the God who said, Out of darkness light shall shine, is the One who shined in our hearts to illuminate the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us. 2 Corinthians 4:6-7

I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me.
Galatians 2:20

That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith. Ephesians 3:17

Christ in you, the hope of glory. Colossians 1:27

Christianity Etc › Re: God Only Wants You To Be Holy, Healthy And Highly Successful - Rev Tony Akinyemi by An2elect2(f): 10:05am On Feb 10, 2019

DavidEsq:
That is to say, u no longer need any effort on ur part to stay Holy. Right? If this is not wat u mean, why u no mak am clear na?

Actually, the christian life is Christ living His life in you through faith. No extra effort needed from you. Imagine Christ living through you, everything you do would be right, except you can't imagine Him having such power over you

Christianity Etc › Re: God Only Wants You To Be Holy, Healthy And Highly Successful - Rev Tony Akinyemi by An2elect2(f): 9:50am On Feb 10, 2019

The only way to be holy is to abandon your ''righteous'' works and trust only in the complete work of Christ on the cross. Faith in Christ, Christ in you, is your holiness before God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Can Never Be An Athiest by An2elect2(f): 5:40pm On Jan 10, 2018

EVarn:
It looks like an educated stance.

Hmm don't get

Christianity Etc › Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by An2elect2(op): 5:36pm On Jan 10, 2018

Ferisidowu:
that's true .... thanks a lot,... it brings comfort to have believing friends who believes in God's absolute sovereignty.....

nice meeting you dear... I'm sure you know 5solas

O yes I'm even following him. One of the first people I got to know here.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Can Never Be An Athiest by An2elect2(f): 5:32pm On Jan 10, 2018

EVarn:
What if I said I believe in God, but not in christianity,am I under the devil's grip too?

What does it look like to you?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by An2elect2(op): 5:18pm On Jan 10, 2018

Ferisidowu:
wow, well it's obvious that there's nothing God can't do...

he won't have men boast before him... I'm sure all elect are humble beings ... God will always make them Know That they weren't saved by their works even by their faith...
I was surprised when I was allowed by God's Providence to study the covenant that he made concerning Solomon to David..... how he promised to be father to him despite his short-comings .... there's something with the elect.. "THEY ALL ENJOY COVENANT OF SONSHIP"

I don't value alter calls again... since pastors now use it to display their pride, thinking that the elect are born out man's will.....

may God help us continually expound his words amen..

It's true. God will always bring us to the knowledge of the truth. Because of the new hearts given us, we would humbly accept the fact that salvation is of God. Like a child we just want to know that our Father is in charge and rest. Him taking all the praise gives us delight...

Yeah our shortcomings. We fall and fail so many many times. Sometimes as if we are lost again. But God never let's go. That assurance just gives me peace and makes me cry. To know God has completely forgiven me of all my sins. What mercy. What grace. What peace that we can never earn!

Altar calls. Lol they are no good. Most times the sermon you hear from the pulpit does not open the heart. Why call for it. People don't get saved at altars but in their hearts and after that they confess it. And all this according to God's sovereign will and time.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Sir Isaac Newton Has To Say About Atheism by An2elect2(f): 4:49pm On Jan 10, 2018

Statsocial:
Christianity is a call to follow Jesus and not Christians. You can't claim before God that you chose Atheism because one Christian somewhere derailed you and expect that to be legitimate. I have been offended and have seen hypocrisy in Christian Circles and I may turn my back against that fellowship but I won't turn my back against Jesus.

Paul and the early church faced all sorts of challenges even from fellow Christians but that was no reason to turn their backs on them.

Atheists were not born so. They started off as false believers like many of the people you defend. Some were even "Pastors" and "teachers" before they got tired of the whole thing. Their faith was built on false hope and promises. They had simple mental faith but not saving faith. It was just a matter of time. Can't you see that it is very easy to abandon Christianity in this age because of all the errors that have piled up because you defenders of wolves would descend on anyone that dared to question errors and false gospels. It was because of people like you that lies thrived. No one was suppose to call out errors or strange doctrines or behaviours. We were supposed to live it to God even when the Bible said we should judge righteously.

Today instead of pastors who would guide the flock, we have wolves fleecing the sheep.

Instead of the gospel of the cross that saves men we have false gospels based on merit and prosperity. Why won't people mock Christianity? Why won't atheists be everywhere? Your so called pastors were in a better position to preach the gospel that saves but they are busy robbing people of everything even their souls.

Atheists are not saved. They were lied to. Now they've turned against you.

You want them to come back as false Christians. What difference when they are doomed anyway like your jet flying pastor$$

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Christianity Etc › Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by An2elect2(op): 4:19pm On Jan 10, 2018

Ferisidowu:
yes, at first glance, it looked as if God's wicked, but then when a saw 1) he made man for himself
2) he made man for HIS GLORY 3) SATAN NRVER DESTROYED GOD'S DECREE IN THE FALL, HE EVEN PUSHED IT FURTHER

Saving faith is something great, it's a very big topic.... it proves that Faith is an EVIDENCE OF THINGS EVEN A SUBSTANCE A SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF GOD .....

Bro just try read that book called faith
by A.W pink

you'd love it....

that's why I laugh when atheist think that Christianity is foolish....

there's no one as wise a graced Christian......

they are the wisest
..

may God continually help us...

have you ever been a charismatic or Pentecostal ....?

Yeah those 1-3 points are very correct. People would not argue against God's sovereignty and election if they centred their argument around God and His glory. But man is too full of himself.

Faith by A W Pink. I will add it to my list. I hope I read it soon.

Atheists? I just pray for them now. I was a sceptic too before God saved me by the power of the Gospel. I'd never know why He did but I know it had nothing to do with me because like everyone I wasn't born seeking for Him. But God changed everything.

I was a Catholic before my salvation and a legionary. But after I got born again I aligned more with the Catholic charismatics. They made me stay for a while. That was about 5yrs ago. I'm a sis.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Sir Isaac Newton Has To Say About Atheism by An2elect2(f): 4:04pm On Jan 10, 2018

salvation101:
nope.. Atheist are simply those who do not believe that their is God as opposed to Theist.. Even an idolater is not an Atheist cos he believes there is a God somewhere.

If a man says deep in his heart dat there is no God but acts as though he is religious, dat man is still an Atheist.. It takes d inner conviction in d existence of God to be a Theist

Whatever terminologies you use. David was not referring to our common atheists, he was referring to hypocrites. If you want to call them atheists at heart but theist in profession, it still doesn't change the fact that David was referring to false believers who say they are for God but have no place for Him in their hearts

Christianity Etc › Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by An2elect2(op): 3:53pm On Jan 10, 2018

Ferisidowu:
one thing is.... I have found comfort in the reforned doctrines they are true and shows that God is in control ... it gives me joy know that God is in control of everything... even all of Satans doing has decreed....
it feels good to know that God will not be mocked since all our good and evil were decreed... (I usually don't discuss this cos lot of Christians don't understand.. it even beyond what we can teach ,.... it God that makes someone understand)
it feels good to know that saving faith of produced God for the ELECT and it's different from what modern SIMPLE BELIEVISM teach

I thank God he allowed me know all of this...

bro, it's a great privilege That we know these things... a lot of people don't understand these things... some even give more priority to Satan more than God

A book I will never forget in my life is

FAITH by A W pink

I am so happy for you brother. Natural man cannot grasp these doctrines that give us comfort because that would make God seem wicked to them. It has to be those whom He has chosen to grant the things of the Kingdom and whose hearts have been changed that would understand and be consoled.

Amen. Saving faith is so different from simple faith. I even opened a thread about it one time. It is saving faith that produces righteous works.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by An2elect2(op): 1:43pm On Jan 10, 2018

Ferisidowu:
wow didn't know you have read the Book

another powerful book like that is

God's sovereignty by AW pink

you will like it because it shows that God is in control over ALL THINGS, EVEN THE WICKED VICE OF MEN

are you Presbyterian?

Thank you for stopping by.

Yes true!!! I've not read every bit of it but I have come to that understanding by God's grace that He is in charge of everything and man still responsible for his sins.

I should be a Presbyterian but where I live there is none for now.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Sir Isaac Newton Has To Say About Atheism by An2elect2(f): 1:27pm On Jan 10, 2018

salvation101:
atheism is a product of man's depravity. Even before the advent of Christianity atheism has been in existence. King David referred to atheists in the book of Psalms as fools who av said there is no God...

Psalm 14:1 Nope I use to think David was referring to atheists. David was referring to hypocrites who say there is God but live as though there is none...that's why the fool says it in his heart and not in the open. In the open he acts as "righteous" as everyone but in the secret chambers of his heart, he has no fear or thought of God. He does whatever he likes, interprets everything to his interest because "God does not matter" . In other words the right interpretation of that perfectly fits the false Christians and Pastors.

Atheists were false believers who got tired of the whole charade.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Can Never Be An Athiest by An2elect2(f): 1:10pm On Jan 10, 2018

Be careful you might become one soon if you are a false Christian. It's just a thin line btw. False Christians and atheists are under the devil's control. He might change your department soon to keep you in check!

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Sir Isaac Newton Has To Say About Atheism by An2elect2(f): 1:01pm On Jan 10, 2018

Statsocial:
Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance.

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/isaac_newton_753054

Lalasticlala

False practice of Christianity gives rise to atheism. And the last time I checked you are a strong defender of false teachers, false hope and thievery in Christianity. I'd rather that people are atheists than shameless idolaters who have exchanged the Glory of God for cheap material gains.

You do more harm to Christianity than millions of atheists. Don't be afraid of what you have created. The only difference btw a false Christian and an atheist is that the atheist is more likely to retain common sense a bit.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Which Nigeria Church Do These 3 Ladies Attend? (photo) by An2elect2(f): 12:33pm On Jan 10, 2018

Tosinex:
hahaha, so it's pride to dress chaste and morally,you are just full of jealousy and envy about it. If the bible says be holy because I'm holy, then tell me where is the pride in obeying that, even in what they wear.

Blind you. Those poor ladies are self-rigtheousness personified. There is nothing wrong with dressing decent or doing good but when it is done with the wrongest intentions like in this case: "of becoming holy" "of going to heaven" "of fear of hell" "because that's how we dress" there you have works based righteousness.This is not what Christ Jesus died for. His death gave the sinner life eternal, righteousness, holiness freely. And any attempt to attain again that which He has attained is an insult to the Spirit of Grace. Learn Grace, Learn Mercy. The Son of God died for our freedom not for us to remain in bondage. It is in this freedom that we find the power to overcome the flesh. Rest in the finished work of Christ. And overcome your lust. It is not through rules that you do this, it is through the grace of God. If Christ death isn't enough, you are full of pride in your abilities to please God. And what else do you have if you deem what Christ did on the cross as vain or common? Deny this all you want but in the deepest part of your hearts you know you don't trust Christ's death enough and don't even understand it but would pride let you? If Christ's death isn't enough, what else do you have? Your dead works? your good deeds? They are filthy before God. There is only one thing that can save you. It is Christ's death. If it doesn't nothing else can. I am a fool to you but I don't care as long as I have the wisdom Of Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Which Nigeria Church Do These 3 Ladies Attend? (photo) by An2elect2(f): 1:08pm On Jan 07, 2018

greatnaija01:
they may not even be saved. They may not even Know Jesus. I see three pretty ladies but may or may not be spiritually empty.

WE KNOW NO MAN BY THE FLESH.... even the devil will never be noticeable by his appearance... the bible says he appears like an angel of light

so only themselves and God knows and WE can only know by THEIR FRUITS.... not by dressing... several churches dress that way and orphanages too...

You spoke well. Try having a Christian conversation with people that dress like this. You will see how empty 99.9% of the time they are.

They have barely experienced the power of the cross, the grace that truly converts the inner man and produces genuine fruits.
This outward appearance is pride in self and a failed attempt to imitate real holiness.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Do You Understand In Romans 8:33 by An2elect2(f): 4:42pm On Dec 29, 2017

5solas:
An2elect2, your thoughts?

Thanks for the mention but your second post did justice to the verse.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What is the False Gospel Within Christianity Today? by An2elect2(f): 8:54am On Dec 19, 2017

asuustrike2009:
False gospel spreading shows we are in perilous time.
2 Tim 4:3 "
For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear"
They already here and would move to deceive many soon. Such preachers knows the Bible very well

LOL your tithe-gospel is among the false gospels

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Am A Catholic Priest,but I Wish Nigeria Christianity Dead And Buried. by An2elect2(f): 2:19pm On Dec 18, 2017

lalanice:
not just Nigerian churches.

Yes dear. The apostasy is sure beyond Nigeria. It just seems like we are at the lowest of all lows.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Am A Catholic Priest,but I Wish Nigeria Christianity Dead And Buried. by An2elect2(f): 8:32am On Dec 17, 2017

BluntBoy:
I just love this woman. God bless you.

God bless you too brother

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Am A Catholic Priest,but I Wish Nigeria Christianity Dead And Buried. by An2elect2(f): 8:19am On Dec 17, 2017

Nigerian churches are just nothing but social gatherings. From self righteous hypocritical deeper life to money loving Winners chapel. They are nothing but spiritual whores who have exchanged the precious love of Christ for temporary gain and selfish love for heaven

Stay at home and read your Bible until you find brothers and sisters who fear God. Then share what you have with him or her or them as the case may be. God is not in any of these mainstream churches but where two or three are gathered in His name (not gathered because they have to please others) He is there in their midst. In Hebrews 10:25 It says not neglecting the gathering of ourselves not phony Christians or wolves or worshippers of men but ourselves, genuine believers in Christ abiding by faith in the Word of God.

If this people are not available better to stay at home and wait on God. Fellowship with false Christians is equal to dining with the enemies of God. These people are haters of God and their bellies are their gods.

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is ; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Hebrews 10:25

He said when two or three are gathered in His name He is there in their midst

Seems to me that God was referring more to times like this where Christians would be very few and scattered abroad.

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Christianity Etc › Re: How True Is It That He Died For My Sins? by An2elect2(f): 9:43pm On Dec 16, 2017

DeSepiero:
For better understanding, please could you provide Bible passage that states that Jesus died for sins?

Okay.

1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

1 Thessalonians 5:10
who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.

John 15:13
"Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Romans 5:6
For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

2 Corinthians 5:14-15
For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.

Hebrews 2:9
But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

John 10:11
"I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

John 10:15
even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

John 11:50
nor do you take into account that it is expedient for you that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation not perish."

John 18:14
Now Caiaphas was the one who had advised the Jews that it was expedient for one man to die on behalf of the people.

John 11:51
Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation.

Romans 4:25
He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

Romans 6:10
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Hebrews 9:15
For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Etc

Christianity Etc › Re: How True Is It That He Died For My Sins? by An2elect2(f): 8:48pm On Dec 16, 2017

Jesus died for sinners. He came for that one purpose. He knew it, He foretold it, He bragged about it. He wanted it. He was prepared for it. He didn't like the death and pains and disgrace but He loved the people He came to save. He wasn't praying to God to take the burden away, He wasn't complaining, He was showing the importance of God's word over man's emotions.

When God wants to grant man an insight to His Wisdom and power . He expresses Himself like man. Despite being Almighty, all knowing, all powerful Jesus had chosen to shield all that to express the seriousness of His dying on the cross. You know how serious it is when a curse is placed on anyone that preaches another gospel.

Christianity Etc › Re: So All The Proponents Of Tithe Cannot Answer This Simple Question by An2elect2(f): 8:02pm On Dec 16, 2017

Desyner:
it the spirit that suffers death when we sin or refuse grow. When Adam disobeyed God he died but kept walking. Jesus also infer this we said the death should bury their dead. Can a dead man in the physical bury another man?
Another pointer to this is when cain slew abel, he suffer further death in form of a curse that placed restriction on the yield of his efforts.
By refusing to tithe the spirit man bares the impact and the physical man follows suit. The reason this may appear not to be valid is that spiritual death doesn't result in immediate physical death.

Summary of your post= Christ died in vain.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Catholic Church Speaks On Payment Of Tithe by An2elect2(f): 2:27pm On Dec 15, 2017

PaChukwudi44:
catholic church has never professed sola bible or bible alone because it lacks any scriptural basis.Not even the apostles kept this doctrine as some of them also quoted books outside the canon.

No one said you should profess sola scriptura. Even the meaning is often misconstrued. I am saying the Bible should be the final determiner of all doctrines. Traditions like praying to Mary or saints or the use of beads and idols are clearly not biblical and should be shut out.

The catholic church existed centuries before the Christian canon otherwise called the bible existed.BTW No catholic practise is at variance with the bible

This is a blatant lie and heresy. Christianity started in Israel, Catholicism is an offshoot of "distorted" Christianity that started in Rome.

Lol you are joking.

You can't be all against Pentecostalism if you can't remove that big log in your eye.

Christianity Etc › Re: Catholic Church Speaks On Payment Of Tithe by An2elect2(f): 2:07pm On Dec 15, 2017

As much as I am against the false doctrine of tithing, I don't think the Catholic Church has any spiritual justification to speak on any Christian matter since they are the first to deny the supreme and final authority of the Bible. And keep traditions that are at variance with fundamental truths of Christianity. If people are going to condemn a rot, they should in all its entirety.

Modern Pentecostal Christianity is not biblical and so is Catholicism.

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