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horexy:
Point is: if u'ld be robbed, u'ld be robbed.
The only tip I know is God's protection cos with 'irin tutu' pressed on ur syd, u go corporate sharparly

This sounds true but am not sure God wants us to throw away caution.

nawa o to use atm again

If this is true, then that man did the right thing in an ungodly world.

I would prefer a gaol sentence for life or even death than approve the atrocities of the LGBT community. God forbid.

No hater has eternal life. And hate knows no tribe.

Amen!

If he is 39, then am 6

jiggaz:
Excellent Explanation!!! But watch out, they ll still argue it. Stop wasting your time my dear.

I don't mind at all

Scholar8200:
I have read through and if I get you very well, I would summarise your point as Vs 13 below:
Matthew 24:12,13
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

and
Revelations 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

If I am right, then no problem.

Regarding those who believed and later backslid, we cannot scripturally write them off as those that never truly believed; there are some that actually believed but turned back. My premise for this is:

2 Peter 2:20,21
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

and Hebrews 10:29
29 of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Both passages show that the people concerned actually got saved and were sanctified by the blood of Jesus and experienced the ministry of the Holy Spirit of grace.

In case you feel they are interpreted out of context, kindly give your own explanation against the backdrop of the context where they are taken from.

@bolded. Not true dear. The problem some of us have is that we read the doctrine of insecurity into various passages and if we approach most of them without preconceived ideas, we would see that they have nothing to do with "salvation can be lost".

And of course they ones you cited are interpreted out of context.

Firstly, it will be dishonest of us to take the few obscure portions of the scripture to overthrow the plain. It is a fact that the nature of a believer's salvation is eternal as it has been said clearly in the bible. There are just too many scriptures backing this fact.

And when interpreting, we interpret the obscure portions in the light of those that are crystal clear! Doing the opposite makes you a false teacher! Okay, am not calling you a false teacher yet...no not yet or maybe never. But we have to understand the implication of teaching wrongly!

To interpret any of the passages you mentioned as saying that a born again child of God can lose his
salvation flies in the face of hundreds of clear passages of Scripture.

When the context of a Bible passage is plainly directed to the subject of salvation, there is
never a question about the security of the believer.

2 PETER 2:20-22. Though this passage is often used to prove that eternal security is not true, it actually says nothing about losing ones salvation. The context is false teachers who promote damnable heresies and deny the Lord (v. 1). It should be obvious that it is not saved men who are the focus on this passage, but hypocrites and deceivers . Any interpretation which says these are saved men who lose their salvation flies in the face of the context. The fact that “the latter end is worse with them than the beginning” and “it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness” does not imply that they were saved and now are lost. They were dogs and pigs who were unchanged (v. 22) . The fact that they return to their wickedness proves that they were never regenerate. When the context is taken into account, there really is no problem in this passage in regard to the doctrine of eternal security.


[b] HEBREWS 10:26-29. The willful sin in verse 26 refers not to sin in general, but to one particular sin which is described in the rest of the passage . The Bible plainly teaches us that Christians do sin after they are saved (1 John 1:8-10; 2:1-2). There is no sinless perfection in the Christian life. Our perfection and righteousness is in Jesus Christ positionally (1 Cor. 1:30; 2 Cor. 5:21). The sin for which there is no forgiveness is the sin of “counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing.”

This means to deny that salvation is by Christ’s blood and grace alone. In the immediate context to which the book of Hebrews was addressed, it refers to the
Jews who professed confidence in Christ; but, because of pressure and persecution, returned to their dead religion and thus gave up confidence in Christ. False religion, both then and now, attempts either to replace Christ’s salvation with a manmade system, or to add to Christ’s salvation a manmade system. Catholicism is an example of the latter. It preaches Christ, but it intermingles its own sacraments and priesthood and sainthood with the grace of Christ. This is a false gospel
which robs Christ of His glory as the sole Saviour and Mediator. If Christ is not Saviour wholly and exclusively, He is not Saviour at all. If grace is intermingled in
any sense with works, the Gospel is perverted, and there is no salvation in a perverted gospel (Rom. 11:6; Gal. 1:6-9).[/b]

I hope this helps.

Scholar8200:
You are correct! God works in us to will and to do (Philippians 2:13,12) but remember we are commanded to work out the salvation that God, through our faith, works within us and that with fear and trembling (this language wont be used if there were no dangers). Besides consider:

What does it mean to work out our
salvation with fear and trembling? Paul can hardly be
encouraging believers to live in a continuous
condition of nervousness and anxiety. That would
contradict his many other exhortations to peace of
mind, courage, and confidence in the God who
authors our salvation. The Greek word translated
"fear" in this context can equally mean "reverence"
or "respect." Paul uses the same phrase in ( 2
Corinthians 7:15 ) where he refers to Titus as being
encouraged by the Corinthians’ reception of him
“with fear and trembling,” that is, with great humility
and respect for his position as a minister of the
gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul himself came to the
Corinthian church in “weakness and fear, and with
much trembling” ( 1 Corinthians 2:3 ), mindful of the
great and awesome nature of the work in which he
was engaged.

The sense in which we are to work out our salvation
in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb
rendered “work out” means "to continually work to
bring something to completion or fruition." We do this
by actively pursuing obedience in the process of
sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next
chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as
“straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of
Christlikeness ( Philippians 3:13-14 ).

The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2 ) and brings great joy. Psalm 2:11 sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew
our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2 ), coming into
His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe.

Scholar8200:
2 Peter 1:5-11
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 for so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ


Note that Peter was already writing to believers that had obtained like precious faith 2 Peter 1:1, hence he was not saying to do these things to be saved but that our faith through which we obtain grace has a work(s) by which it manifests itself viz giving all diligence to avail ourselves of all means of grace by which we may become more like Him else the colored highlighted is a possibility (relapse to spiritual blindness: the very condition of the unsaved)

You are trying to explain away eternal security with passages that say nothing about it.

What does the bible say about OSAS:
The Bible
teaches that those who are born again will continue
trusting in Christ forever. God, by His own power
through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit,
keeps or preserves the believer forever. This
wonderful truth is seen in Ephesians 1:13-14 , where
we see that believers are “sealed with the Holy
Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our
inheritance until the redemption of the purchase
possession, to the praise of His glory.” When we are
born again, we receive the promised indwelling
presence of the Holy Spirit that is God’s guarantee
that He who began a good work in us will complete it
( Philippians 1:6 ). In order for us to lose our salvation
after receiving the promised Holy Spirit, God would
have to break His promise or renege on His
“guarantee,” which He cannot do. Therefore, the
believer is eternally secure because God is eternally
faithful.

The understanding of this doctrine really comes from
understanding the unique and special love that God
has for His children. Romans 8:28-39 tells us that 1)
no one can bring a charge against God’s elect; 2)
nothing can separate the elect from the love of
Christ; 3) God makes everything work together for
the good of the elect; and 4) all whom God saves will
be glorified. God loves His children (the elect) so
much that nothing can separate them from Him. Of
course this same truth is seen in many other
passages of Scripture as well. In John 10:27-30 ,
Jesus says, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know
them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to
them, and they will never perish; and no one will
snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has
given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is
able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and
the Father are one." Again, in John 6:37-47 , we see
Jesus stating that everyone that the Father gives to
the Son will come to Him and He will raise all of
them up at the last day.

Another evidence from Scripture of the eternal
security of a believer is found in John 5:24 , where
Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears
My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has
eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but
has passed out of death into life.” Notice that eternal
life is not something we get in the future but is
something that we have once we believe. By its very
nature, eternal life must last forever, or it could not
be eternal. This passage says that, if we believe the
gospel, we have eternal life and will not come into
judgment; therefore, it can be said we are eternally
secure.

There is really very little scriptural basis that can be
used to argue against the eternal security of the
believer. While there are a few verses that, if not
considered in their context, might give the
impression that one could “fall from grace” or lose
his salvation, when these verses are carefully
considered in context it is clear that is not the case.
Many people know someone who at one time
expressed faith in Christ and who might have
appeared to be a genuine Christian who later
departed from the faith and now wants to have
nothing to do with Christ or His church. These people
might even deny the very existence of God. For
those who do not want to accept what the Bible says
about the security of the believer, these types of
people are proof that the doctrine of eternal security
cannot be right. However, the Bible indicates
otherwise, and it teaches that people such as those
who profess Christ as Savior at one time only to later
walk away and deny Christ were never truly saved
in the first place. For example, 1 John 2:19 says,
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for
if they had been of us, they would have remained
with us; but they went out from us, in order that it
might be made manifest that they all are not truly of
us." The Bible is also clear that not everyone who
professes to be a Christian truly is. Jesus Himself
says that not everyone who says, “Lord, Lord,” will
enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21-22 ).
Rather than proving we can lose our salvation, those
people who profess Christ and fall away simply
reinforces the importance of testing our salvation to
make sure we are in the faith ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 )
and making our calling and election sure by
continually examining our lives to make sure we are
growing in godliness ( 2 Peter 1:10 ).
One of the misconceptions about the doctrine of the
perseverance of the saints is that it will lead to
“carnal Christians” who believe that since they are
eternally secure they can live whatever licentious
lifestyle they wish and still be saved. But that is a
misunderstanding of the doctrine and what the Bible
teaches. A person who believes he can live any way
he wants because he has professed Christ is not
demonstrating true saving faith (1 John 2:3-4 ). Our
eternal security rests on the biblical teaching that
those whom God justifies, He will also glorify
( Romans 8:29-30 ). Those who are saved will indeed
be conformed to the image of Christ through the
process of sanctification (1 Corinthians 6:11 ). When
a person is saved, the Holy Spirit breaks the
bondage of sin and gives the believer a new heart
and a desire to seek holiness. Therefore a true
Christian will desire to be obedient to God and will be
convicted by the Holy Spirit when he sins. True
Christians will never “live any way they want”
because such behavior is impossible for someone
who has been given a new nature ( 2 Corinthians
5:17 ).

Clearly, the doctrine of the perseverance of the
saints does accurately represent what the Bible
teaches on this important subject. If someone is
truly saved, he has been made alive by the Holy
Spirit and has a new heart with new desires. There
is no way that one that has been “born again” can
later be “unborn.” Because of His unique love for His
children, God will keep all of His children safe from
harm, and Jesus has promised that He would lose
none of His sheep. The doctrine of the perseverance
of the saints recognizes that true Christians will
always persevere and are eternally secure because
God keeps them that way. It is based on the fact that
Jesus, the “author and perfecter of faith” ( Hebrews
12:2 ), is able to completely save those whom the
Father has given Him (Hebrews 7:25 ) and to keep
them saved through all eternity.

Scholar8200:
There is nothing in my previous post that suggests that I believe salvation is by works, of course, it's by grace. However, note that the following will be unnecessary if salvation cannot be lost

1. Then note and appreciate the gracious kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s gracious kindness to you—provided you continue in His grace and abide in His kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off (pruned away). Roman 11:22

2. If a person does not dwell in Me, he is thrown out like a [broken-off] branch, and withers; such branches are gathered up and thrown into the fire, and they are burned [/b]John 15:6. Remember 1 John 2:6? If we abide in Him it will reflect in holiness of life and not just empty affirmations!

3. 36 [Watch, I say] lest He come suddenly and unexpectedly and find you asleep.
37 [b]And what I say to you I say to everybody: Watch (give strict attention, be cautious, active, and alert)! Mark 13:36,37

You dont raise an alarm if there is no danger nor the possibility thereof! The highlighted is to pre-empt anyone who might say it was only for the Jews; it was said to all disciples.

4. 5 Examine and test and evaluate your own selves to see whether you are holding to your faith and showing the proper fruits of it. Test and prove yourselves [[a]not Christ]. Do you not yourselves realize and know [thoroughly by an ever-increasing experience] that Jesus Christ is in you—unless you are [counterfeits] disapproved on trial and rejected?
2 Corinthians 13:5

5. 48 But if that servant is wicked and says to himself, My master is delayed and is going to be gone a long time,
49 And begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with the drunken,
50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour of which he is not aware,
51 And will punish him [[y]cut him up by scourging] and put him with the pretenders (hypocrites); there will be weeping and grinding of teeth.
Matthew 24:48-51
If a servant in the vineyard relapses because the Lord delays His coming,verse 51 does not sound like something that happens in Heaven!

We do not watch, resist temptation etc to be saved; we do so because we are saved! We do so because we realise that :

...the [Holy] Spirit distinctly and expressly declares that in latter times some will turn away from the faith, giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach, 1 Timothy 4:1


P.S.: you may call me a false prophet or blind person or whatever name. That wont change the fact that these things are written in the Bible and we do our souls an eternal good to balance our perspective!

I understand very well what you are saying, but do you not think all these warnings are means by which God preserves us? Are we not being kept by His words which have power? Who wakes the slumbering Christian up? Is not God the one? and who causes us to do right? to watch? to pray? Is not God the one?

This is revealing !

What a funny reply

mtchewwwwww

That adulterous man should be ashamed of himself.

jiggaz:
Excellent!!!!!! Don't mind him my dear, ignorance is actually Bad...... Knowledge is power.... I hope he realises the Truth....

I pray he comes to know the truth too. Right now, It is that bad.

jiggaz:
Amen my dear... It is well with and we should always beware of Fake Prophets that Apostle Paul told us in the Bible, teaching another Gospel. They have invaded dis thread already.

They are so lost and confused they do not even know what the scripture is all about. I was even expecting him, that one that calls himself a prophet, to explain away those scriptures in your original post to mean something else and not eternal security. But he would not because he dares not alter what has been explicitly stated.

Bunch of confused men parading themselves as men of God. Mcheeeeew.

Good morning jare

ProphetUdeme:
i had been observing you with one eye and perceived you to either be a heretic or one of those being misled by the devil. Sorry the truth is bitter. But its evident that there is no epitome of the gospel of truth and the Light of Christ in you.
As for you and the O.p and all heretic doomed teachers of eternal security. Kindly take this verses.
Philipians 2 v 12, 1 peter 4 vs 17-18, 2 peter 2 vs 20-22, revelation 2 v 5

You are the false teacher and the bible calls you a heretic! The bible is very clear on this one that our SALVATION IS BY GRACE AND NOT OF US.

And just like y'all do, when you cannot fathom the truth of God's grace and also with your burning desires to esteem your wretched selves above others, you throw those scriptures that do not even support your blasphemy that a loving father will cast away the child he has birthed because of one wrong to our face. You have been duped and need to get yourselves taught thoroughly. Show me one scripture that APPEARS to say salvation can be lost and i will show you many more that expressly state we are safe for ever in God's arm.

All the glory going to God for he performs all these wonderful works in us!

Go ahead and part yourself on the back and give yourself some glory for being the co-saviour of yourself. And let's see how far you reach with that.

But depart from me, false prophet.

jiggaz:
Hallelujah!!! So many Christians fell victim to all those prophesies but thank God many have realised the Truth now.

Amen dear. It is all because God is faithful. Now it is clear to us that He who has saved us from that lie will continue to keep us from the errors of wicked men.

Amen! i also had similar experience. And true nothing can be more depressing than hearing those tales of heaven and hell. It made me almost despair in Christ cos i was a victim too, but God who will not allow his children remain on the way of error intervened greatly and i was liberated. I now understand the perfect work of Christ on the cross.

jiggaz:
Don't mind dem my sister.... Salvation is a gift from God and when you are given a gift, you are not expected to pay else, its no longer a gift.

And God doesn't even ask us to come collect this gift, He brings this salvation to us. That is the beauty of it. God's sovereignty rules over our wills.

Am so glad salvation is of the Lord And also happy that you know this truth.

What a load of shi.t. You want to tell me about tithing use the bible not fables.

on seeing this thread, they thought they got a new convert, but seeing it was far from expectation there was OMG jaw dropping disappointment all over them. Lol.

Op is not regular here but when he visits he always comes like a whirl wind. Take it easy o. God does not exist ni

Amen Jiggaz. False teachers tell us to work for our salvation and thus preaching another gospel. Paul said let them be accursed.

K

onionsoup where is your source?

danbrowndmf:
always running frm. Me....hw hv u been?

Lol........bn gr8t. Its seems you keep it low key here. hpe u good?

I hate Islam too not because it has caused me any direct harm, but because it is simply false and barbaric.

danbrowndmf:
where hv u been?

You caught me again. I've been on earth...

I don't know why there are more than one standards when it comes to judging modern females and males in this country

donephi:
Women of my mother's generation a very hard working. They do everything morally right to take good care of their kids.

Women of my generation are...
Try to emulate your mother's and stop planning to become a liability.

i hope you are emulating your father...

none of my biznez tho